Coin Door/Mech ID and questions

[Epyx]

Hoping some of you experts out there can give me a hand.  I purchased these two coin doors on Ebay which are supposedly from an upright Asteroids cabinet.




Questions:

1) Do these look salvageable and are they Atari Asteroids? (Would appear they are Atari based on http://www.quarterarcade.com/Content/Articles/JoustRestoration.aspx
2) I can see I would have to replace the Reject Buttons. Would a Happs part be universal?
3) If I cannot get the coin mech working which Happs part would likely work?
4) I am assuming a Home Dept Camlock of the right size would work?

Thanks in advance!

[SirPeale]

1) Do these look salvageable and are they Atari Asteroids? (Would appear they are Atari based on http://www.quarterarcade.com/Content/Articles/JoustRestoration.aspx

Looks good to me.  Just needs a lot of TLC.  See my page: http://pealefamily.net/tech/arcade/coindoor/ .  As for Asteroids the cab used a couple different coin doors, and this looks like one of them.

2) I can see I would have to replace the Reject Buttons. Would a Happs part be universal?

Absolutely NOT.  IIRC rejects on this aren't easy to source.

3) If I cannot get the coin mech working which Happs part would likely work?

The mech itself will probably work fine.  They're built to last a long, long time. 

4) I am assuming a Home Dept Camlock of the right size would work?

7/8" cam lock is the size you need.

[Epyx]

Thanks Peale. Your feedback is really appreciated.  I will certainly give it the TLC it needs, thanks again.

I had actually found your site the other day but forgot to bookmark it and was kicking myself as you had some great restoration tips. Thanks for the link!

[SirPeale]

I need to update as for the type of paint to use.  The Midway doors look great with the textured paint, and over/under and your style door look best with hammered.

[Epyx]

This stuff Peale?

http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_dv_index.asp?page_id=35721700

[SirPeale]

That's the stuff; available most everywhere.

[cmoses]

Looks like the same door that was on my Taito cabinet.  If it is, then it is a Coinco 2802 Series Game Door.  The unique thing about them is that the coin slot is part of the reject button and part of the bezel.  The coin slides between the coin insert bezel and the reject button.  Most coin doors have the coin slot completely in the reject button.

I took mine off, stripped it, repainted it and cleaned the reject buttons on my project.  I spray painted mine with a satin black that was similar to the color I painted my cabinet.  You can see the finished door in this link at the bottom.  The last picture shows the reject buttons the best.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=82903.0

Here is a link that shows the coin door before and some good pictures of the reject buttons.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=83189.msg869782#msg869782

My door was in better shape, but had a lot of wear and tear around the coin inserts and the coin return.  The mechs worked well as they were, they are built to last.

If this is the coin door you have, let me know as I have a good pdf document from Coinco that shows and lists all the parts.  The only problem is they do not sell direct.  I have not found a source for the reject buttons.  Mine look pretty good after cleaning, but I would love to get some blue ones to go match the cabinet T-Molding. 

[Ken Layton]

Yes it's a Coin Acceptors (a.k.a. Coinco) brand door. Here's the manual for yours:

http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Coin_Mechs_Etc/Coinco/Coinco_2802_Series_Game_Door.pdf

Good luck trying to get parts for it.

[Epyx]

Thanks very much guys, that is a wealth of info. ( The manual is awesome btw) I am assuming the "Good luck trying to get parts for it" was tongue in cheek and they are difficult to source?

[orion]

"I have not found a source for the reject buttons.  Mine look pretty good after cleaning, but I would love to get some blue ones to go match the cabinet T-Molding. "


I have one of these coin doors on a Centuri cab and I would also like to swap the red reject buttons out for blue ones. So far no luck in finding any. Did they ever make blue ones? I am begginning to suspect that they didn't which has me wondering if there are any alternatives. It has already been mentioned that Happs return buttons won't work....

[Epyx]

Not sure if you tried contacting a company called SEM in Montreal? They are a distributor for Coin Mech (Chicago) that purchased that part of the Coinco business.

Anyways I have just spoken to an employee at SEM and he is going to see what he can do in the way of sourcing these parts...<fingers crossed> I will keep you posted.

The other option is to figure out some way to mask the burn holes in the reject button plastic.

[orion]

I wonder if these might work for you... they look like they might.


http://www.marcospecialties.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=27-1037

[orion]

Hummm.... nevermind  I don't think that those will work.

[Epyx]

No problem, thanks anyways.

Interesting as I am phoning all these leads and hoping one of them can come through. Coinmech themselves asked what company I was from so I told them who I work for...a bit of truth stretching but oh well

[SirPeale]

...and what did they say regarding parts?

[Epyx]

That they are going to see what if anything is still available and get back to me. I sent them a picture and PDF so they have a semblance of what I am talking about...hope that helps

[cmoses]

Keep us posted if you find anything out.  I would buy new red ones if they were available.

[Epyx]

Hmmm this is the email response I got back.  Are we sure that they are different doors? They look identical at a glance? if not that means back to square 1 hehe:

Hi Gordon,
 
This is what is referred to as a "pinball' style coin door, and unfortunately we never made one of these.  A company called Suzo/Happ sells this type of coin door, and here's a link to it on their website:
 
http://www.happ.com/coindoors/40070700.htm
 
Sincerely,
Mike Meisinger
Customer Services Manager
-----------------------------------------------
Coin Mechanisms Inc.
630-924-7070, 800-323-6498
fax 630-924-7088
e-mail: mikem@coinmech.com
www.coinmech.com
coinmech@coinmech.com

[SirPeale]

Positive.  Of course we're talking about 20-ish years ago.  They haven't made them in a long time.

[Epyx]

The sad part is that the used door although won with a $10 bid will end up costing me about $80 after shipping and duty...to think I could have just bought that pinball door for $70 here in Canada and after shipping broken even... /sigh oh well.

[Ken Layton]

The last place I know of that had Coinco door parts was The Great Amusement Emporium http://www.amusemp.com/

You have to be a game operator to buy from them though and there is now a $2,000 minimum order!

You could also go back to the original manufacturer, www.coinco.com and email them asking if they still have parts for the 2802 door.

[Epyx]

Thanks Ken and that is exactly what I did...this is the response I got via email:

Unfortunately Gordon, these have been obsolete for many years.  Coinco no longer builds game doors.  We do not have parts for these anymore.

Sorry. 

Lol...oh well I will give your link a shot and perhaps with a great sad sob story about restoring a cabinet for the local orphanage perhaps they will swing me a break on the $2k min order...

The other option is I could try to repair the plastic (has burn holes in it) and level it off and put some kind of adhesive graphical overlay on the top with exactly the same text and look of the original...

[Epyx]

I had a closer look on getting home today (they had just arrived yesterday) and it looks like it may not be a coinco after all. I will post pictures but basically the quarter slot is part of the reject button unlike the coinco unit. This leaves me optimistic I can find replacement parts from the more universal offerings at Happs.

[Epyx]

Here are some updated pics to maybe help identify them:




You can see a bit more clearly that the quarter goes into the Reject coin button and not beside it.

[Ken Layton]

Someone has mistakenly put a "Coin Controls" brand coin mech into one of the Coin Acceptors (a.k.a. Coinco) brand coin door.

You do indeed have two Coin Acceptors (Coinco) model 2802 doors. They were made with two styles of reject buttons over the years. The first style (and the one that was in production the longest) was the red one in which the coin passes THROUGH the button. The second style (and the one that was only in production a couple of years) was the orange one where the coin passes TO THE LEFT of the button. Both of these styles are shown in the manual I linked you to.

Remember, a COINCO red reject button LOOKS like a Coin Controls red reject button, but they are NOT the same and do NOT interchange. Coinco (Coin Acceptors) are all 100% made in America to American hardware standards & measurements. Coin Controls products are made in England and are 100% METRIC hardware standards and measurements.

[SirPeale]

I wonder if Specialty Plastics would be interested in making some of these.  This subject comes up a lot.

[Epyx]

Ken your knowledge on this subject is amazing and appreciated. Thanks again for the information. I think I can safely and definitively say that unless I get lucky sourcing some parts, this restoration will be through other means but I have some ideas brewing.

@Peale

I work in the plastics industry and that is a great idea...even making a mould myself via the resin route should be possible as the mould wouldn't appear to be that complicated.

Thanks again guys your help and knowledge has been appreciated. I will update on my progress in getting these back to a nice look again after all these years.

[Ken Layton]

If these are reproduced, you'd need to get Coin Acceptors, Inc's permission or obtain a license from them or else you'd get sued.

[Epyx]

If I was to do it it would be for private non commercial use (for myself). I don't think there would be an issue with doing it that way right?

[Ken Layton]

For yourself there'd be no problem, but once you do it for someone else then there'd be a problem regardless if you gave them away or sold them. I believe Coinco's patents and trademarks on this button are still in force.

[Ken Layton]

Now here's an idea I just thought of which may help. If you were to change out both of the original Coinco red reject button AND the entry bezel with a Coin Controls red button AND Coin Controls entry bezel together then this might work. The only problems may be where the screw holes are and how the button's push rod lines up with the Coinco entry trough.

Here are the Happ Controls part numbers for the Coin Controls versions:

# 891-1113-01 Red Reject Button $5.40 each

# 891-1312-16 Black Reject Button Bezel $2.56 each

[Epyx]

Thanks that is a great idea. Now if they would only show a side and rear shots of that part. It would then be easier to judge how compatible they are.  I will be removing mine tonight and have a better idea of how they are structured.

[Epyx]

I ended up printing out the Reject coin graphic on transparency to the exact dimensions of my buttons (missing the bezel and inserts).



I then cut the graphics out and stuck them to the buttons using 2 sides invis tape:



And then mounted them in the coin door:



Compared to how it looked before not too shabby:



Here it is now lit with 12v red led although the hammered black looks more grey with the flash imo:

[SirPeale]

Looks like you used the Rust-Oleum brand Hammered Black, right?  It's just on the shade of grey.  I'd get a can of Rust-Oleum brand gloss black and put a THIN coat over it.

[Epyx]

Great idea. Ill grab some today. I didn't realize there would be such a difference in the shades...

[Ken Layton]

Updating this old thread.

I believe Coin Acceptors, Inc (a.k.a. CoinCo) patents on these complete coin doors, reject buttons, bezels, and pork chops have now all expired. Come on all you plastics reproduction guys, let's get these reject buttons reproduced at the very least.

[mriggins]

I just picked up the same coin door off of ebay from ebay and yep, it's the coinco door.

So I'm in the same looking for reject buttons boat. Mine is where the coin passes to the left of the button. In fact, the buttons are ok. I just need the front covers lol.