Vista VS front end?

[Bender]

anyone out there using a front end that "plays nice" with Vista?

I've tried MaLa and Maximus
and the both work, but with little gliches I'd like to avoid on a cab

I know, I know use XP
But I'd like to take advantage of vista64 and mame 64

[isucamper]

What glitches are you seeing with Mala?  I did a quick setup a few weeks ago and I didn't see any problems (vista 32), but I've never used it so if there were glitches maybe I didn't notice.  Or maybe there's problems when using vista 64? 

[Turnarcades]

I know, I know use XP
But I'd like to take advantage of vista64 and mame 64

What benefits do they bring to the table?

[TOK]

I know, I know use XP
But I'd like to take advantage of vista64 and mame 64

What benefits do they bring to the table?

Oh no.

[studmuff]

i run vista on my cab with maximus arcade and don't have any issues but mine is the 32 bit.

[lettuce]

Vista doesnt work with mame based stuff that well at all really, if you want to use mame 64 best bet is to get XP 64

[loadman]

anyone out there using a front end that "plays nice" with Vista?

I've tried MaLa and Maximus
and the both work, but with little gliches I'd like to avoid on a cab

I know, I know use XP
But I'd like to take advantage of vista64 and mame 64

Yes I vote for XP too

But do tell what 'glitches' there are (if any) with MaLa & Vista32 so I can fix them 
Possibly in a new thread in the MaLa Forum section.

I finally have a Vista32 Box in the MaLa dev lab to test stuff 

[retrometro]

vista x64 worked fine for me with mala.  however, vista x64 and soft15khz are no go.  that alone made me go back to xp x64 so i don't have to settle for an arcadevga card and suffer for non mame emulation.

[protokatie]

To answer the origonal post. AtomicFe works perfectly with VISTA 32. I dont know about vista 64 tho...

If you were to go with vista, I would say vista32 on a dualcore (to help speed up MAME). Otherwise I would really just say use TinyXP.

[Lilwolf]

btw, what does 'not playing nice' mean?  flashing background screens ect?

just curious?  (I've used xp64, and vista 64 for like a week before I upgraded back to xp... but this was before a few essentials wheren't ported to a 64 bit platform)

[Popcorrin]

(I've used xp64, and vista 64 for like a week before I upgraded back to xp)

I "upgraded" my laptop from vista to xp too.    Kinda funny how that works.

[Bender]

btw, what does 'not playing nice' mean?  flashing background screens ect?

just curious?  (I've used xp64, and vista 64 for like a week before I upgraded back to xp... but this was before a few essentials wheren't ported to a 64 bit platform)

exactly the glitches I'm seeing in both Mala And Maximus

Thanks everybody for the responces

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster. Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame and everything else PC so if I can make it workable might as well get used to it now

having said all that if I can't make it workable I'll definitely "upgrade" to XP

[divemaster127]

I am using vista 64 with mame works perfect for me also atomicfe works great for vista 64.
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[FrizzleFried]

I have very little experience with Vista,  but from the short amount of time I played with it,  it seemed sluggish compared to XP and Jesus Christ you can't click a damn thing without a warning screen coming up (though I hear you can turn that crap off).

I will "upgrade" to Vista the day a "must have" app comes out that is Vista only.  I'm not holding my breath frankly.  I simply refuse to be "connected" with Washington (among other things).

[massive88]

I have mamewah working perfectly on XP64, took a bit of work to get it going though.

[Bender]

I have mamewah working perfectly on XP64, took a bit of work to get it going though.

 if you wouldn't mind sharing, I'd love to know what work you did to get it running

[Visitor Q]

I am running Game Ex and HyperSpin both on Vista 64, zero issues.

As far as Emualtors, FreeDO is the only thing so far that has gave me any sorta problems.

[massive88]

I have mamewah working perfectly on XP64, took a bit of work to get it going though.

 if you wouldn't mind sharing, I'd love to know what work you did to get it running

Unfortunately I dont have a set list of exactly what I did, as I was trying all sorts of things.  I first started with these steps.

I basically had to manually register the files.  I went back and forth checking the log and then trying to get those files that it reported not working to work.

I do know the last thing I did was I copied paintx.dll and mscomm32.ocx into the c:\windows\syswow64 directory, then registered them from the command prompt using regsvr32.exe while in the directory.

I hope that helps, but the combination of moving the files around manually to the syswow64 file and manually registering it I am sure is what finally got it working.  Right now I have no problems running it.

If you need me to check anything on my system, feel free to ask, Ill do what I can to help out.  I really meant to post a "how-to" after I got it working, because I was so relieved when I did, but that fell by the wayside... 

[Havok]

Another vote for AtomicFE on Vista - works great, no issues...

[loadman]

exactly the glitches I'm seeing in both Mala And Maximus

Thanks I will have a look 

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster. Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame and everything else PC so if I can make it workable might as well get used to it now
having said all that if I can't make it workable I'll definitely "upgrade" to XP

Not sure I can relate to your logic here.

Vista is a 'dud' OS  IMHO. My bet is on the next version.  Win98SE and WinXP are the only half decent versions of windows I have used.  ME was a shocker. 2000 was OK.....ish.

I can understand some wanting the latest OS on the desktop.

"Vista is the future for mame"??  Mame needs Vista 

With a cab isn't the whole point is you hide the OS.

 So ideally you want the fastest and leanest OS that will work on your cab's PC. That is why stripped down versions of XP are made.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=59373.0

Dude, You can use whatever OS / FE combo that makes you happy but I find it hard to swallow your argument that "Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame" . Dude that is just plain wrong I think.

I feel better now 

[DaveMMR]

Dude, You can use whatever OS / FE combo that makes you happy but I find it hard to swallow your argument that "Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame" . Dude that is just plain wrong I think.

Heh.  If it weren't for the better USB support of XP, I'd use 98SE for the MAME cab. 

[Bender]

exactly the glitches I'm seeing in both Mala And Maximus

Thanks I will have a look 

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster. Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame and everything else PC so if I can make it workable might as well get used to it now
having said all that if I can't make it workable I'll definitely "upgrade" to XP

Not sure I can relate to your logic here.

Vista is a 'dud' OS  IMHO. My bet is on the next version.  Win98SE and WinXP are the only half decent versions of windows I have used.  ME was a shocker. 2000 was OK.....ish.

I can understand some wanting the latest OS on the desktop.

"Vista is the future for mame"??  Mame needs Vista 

With a cab isn't the whole point is you hide the OS.

 So ideally you want the fastest and leanest OS that will work on your cab's PC. That is why stripped down versions of XP are made.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=59373.0

Dude, You can use whatever OS / FE combo that makes you happy but I find it hard to swallow your argument that "Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame" . Dude that is just plain wrong I think.

I feel better now 

thanks for the info loadman

I know next to nothing about PCs
I do all my work on Macs and I love OSX
but...I'm making an arcade cab and all the good software is written for PCs
and I'm just trying to figure to the best way to do that

as far as speed I'm just going by something I read on here forums here said that an optimized vista64 with 4+ gigs of ram was as fast as you were gonna get
I have no clue if that is true or not

I certainly don't need a fancy OS, I agree the whole point is to make it invisible

as far as Mame needing vista, I certainly don't think I said that, all I meant was that it seems like development will move further and further toward the predominate operating system regardless of how good it is.

Do you know anybody running mac OS9 or earlier?
I couldn't even get a highend laptop with XP on it, Believe me I tried

so in short

how do I install tiny XP onto my Vista laptop?

[loadman]

exactly the glitches I'm seeing in both Mala And Maximus

Thanks I will have a look 

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster. Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame and everything else PC so if I can make it workable might as well get used to it now
having said all that if I can't make it workable I'll definitely "upgrade" to XP

Not sure I can relate to your logic here.

Vista is a 'dud' OS  IMHO. My bet is on the next version.  Win98SE and WinXP are the only half decent versions of windows I have used.  ME was a shocker. 2000 was OK.....ish.

I can understand some wanting the latest OS on the desktop.

"Vista is the future for mame"??  Mame needs Vista 

With a cab isn't the whole point is you hide the OS.

 So ideally you want the fastest and leanest OS that will work on your cab's PC. That is why stripped down versions of XP are made.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=59373.0

Dude, You can use whatever OS / FE combo that makes you happy but I find it hard to swallow your argument that "Second is that if we like it or not vista is the future for Mame" . Dude that is just plain wrong I think.

I feel better now 

thanks for the info loadman
I know next to nothing about PCs
I do all my work on Macs and I love OSX
but...I'm making an arcade cab and all the good software is written for PCs
and I'm just trying to figure to the best way to do that

I am a Mac man myself. I am on a MacBook Pro right now. But all the good stuff is written for PC's and is usally a better option as you don't need a fast PC to play the old 80's game (that I like). PS MaLa development is mostly done on this Mac (using Parallels to use WinXP).

as far as speed I'm just going by something I read on here forums here said that an optimized vista64 with 4+ gigs of ram was as fast as you were gonna get
I have no clue if that is true or not

Try XP64 if you want to use mame64

Do you know anybody running mac OS9 or earlier?

Nope.  Sorry

/I couldn't even get a highend laptop with XP on it, Believe me I tried

You can always blow vista away and put XP on it. Have you got a friend who could help you?

how do I install tiny XP onto my Vista laptop?

You might want to ask that in the thread I gave you a link to in the previous post. I would start with XP first to see if you can get all the drivers for XP for your laptop.

[MrMojoZ]

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster.

No, no it isn't. You use Vista64 when you want to take advantadge of large amounts of ram, 4GB or larger.  It is the best OS for this as it is better supported than XP64 ever was. But since MAME doesn't benefit from large amounts of ram there isn't much reason for you to use it on a cab.

Also, the "I don't know anything about Vista but I heard on the internet it was bad" people proably aren't real useful for info on the subject.

[u_rebelscum]

there are two reasons for me wanting to go with vista, first and most importantly is the speed factor, vista 64 is supposed to be like 30% faster.

No, no it isn't. You use Vista64 when you want to take advantadge of large amounts of ram, 4GB or larger.  It is the best OS for this as it is better supported than XP64 ever was. But since MAME doesn't benefit from large amounts of ram there isn't much reason for you to use it on a cab.

Er, 64 bit mame (mame64) runs about 20%-35% faster than 32 bit mame.  The person who hosts mameUI agrees, and so does taz here at this site.  And so does the man heading mameDev, Aaron Giles.

If you want the fastest mame, run mame64.  That takes a 64bit OS, either xp64 or vista64.  Vista64 has a far bigger driver base than xp64 (IOW runs on more hardware).  I've heard xp64 is faster than vista64, but I've also heard mame64 is just about the same on xp64 as vista64 (as long as the hardware runs on both ).


So get EITHER xp64 or vista64, and mame64, for the best performance, period.

[Visitor Q]

I could never get mame64 to compile right, I am going to try again with the next version.

[brpadington]

I tried running Vista 64 on my cab but ultimately abandoned the idea due to the long boot time. I wasnt able to obtain a copy of xp 64bit so i went with Ubuntu Hardy X64. The boot time is amazing and the speed improvement was apparent instantly. When i had xp i had to run antivirus and anti spyware all the time due to my cab being connected to my wireless network.

 I just wish i could get  Mortal Kombat 4 for Pc to work in wine.

[loadman]

FYI: MaLa works fine under Vista (if you must use it)  if you change the Apperance settings to something other than Aero    

[drventure]

Loadman's right about aero.

I was having piles of problems with screen flashing and bad rendering till I turned off aero.

Now, it works flawlessly, as far as I can tell.

About the ridiculous pop ups. Just turn off UAC. Doing that, Vista is just as secure as XP, and you get no more irritating prompts.

But even with UAC turned on, once you've got the cab setup, you shouldn't ever hit any of them...

[CathalDublin]

anyone out there using a front end that "plays nice" with Vista?

I've tried MaLa and Maximus
and the both work, but with little gliches I'd like to avoid on a cab

I know, I know use XP
But I'd like to take advantage of vista64 and mame 64

Does anything run nice with Vista?
Why not try Xp x64? I'm sure you'd find a "trial copy" handy enough on the web.
I use Windows XPSE on my arcade and am delighted with its performance P4 Dual core, 2gb ram, arcadevga

P.S
Is windows 7 not the future?

[Todd H]

I use Maximus Arcade with Vista and have zero issues. What glitches are you seeing?

[Bender]

Thanks so much everyone (especially loadman)

I gave up on vista a month or so ago
I switched to XP 64 and am very happy with it

[SavannahLion]

Not sure I can relate to your logic here.

Vista is a 'dud' OS  IMHO. My bet is on the next version.  Win98SE and WinXP are the only half decent versions of windows I have used.  ME was a shocker. 2000 was OK.....ish.

I can understand some wanting the latest OS on the desktop.

"Vista is the future for mame"??  Mame needs Vista 

I can't believe I've had to read down that far for someone to make that comment.

I recently purchased a Vista PC for my mother and was disappointed by how sluggish the computer felt. My mother even sent me an email no less than a week later commenting on how slow Vista is. She went from a ME on a 800Mhz CPU to a Vista on a 2GHz Duo. What does that tell you when she’s using one of Microsoft’s crappiest OS ever as a reference point?

I’m not asking for Microsoft to develop a new OS that runs on a 486 (that’s one of the roles of Linux) but to trim the fat, or better yet make it easier for the end user to trim the fat without having to go through months of research, hurdles, and tweaks. It’s pretty clear Microsoft knows how to strip their OS down to the basic core, now let’s make that core more readily accessible to the end user.

[Endaar]

I run a 1000 node network, with a mix of Vista and XP. I do prefer XP, but that's for reasons that are simply irrelevent in a home environment. I don't buy into the "Vista is slower than XP" argument though, because I've seen both OSes side-by-side on identical hardware and the difference is negligible. Vista does have a higher memory footprint though, so on a machine with less than 2GB of RAM, you could end up with the OS swapping more frequently, which will certainly slow things down. Given how cheap memory is these days, there's really no reason to skimp in that area.

Since it's pretty well accepted that x64 is the way to go for MAME, that pretty heavily tilts the argument in Vista's favor. Driver support in XP64 is nowhere near as good as it is for Vista 64.

SavannahLion - something is wrong with your mom's PC. I'd check to see just how much junk is running in the background. Some PC vendors are notorious for pre-installing a lot of stuff you don't need and probably don't want that can slow things down.

As for the originial question, I'm using GameEx on Vista x32 without any issues.

Endaar

[ids]

...on a machine with less than 2GB of RAM...

Sorry, didn't want to enter the OS debate, but when the OS requires you to have TWO F**N GIGABYTES of memory.....debate over

I've run BSD/X-Windows in 8M.

[Endaar]

I've run BSD/X-Windows in 8M.

And DOS ran with 256K. Heck, there was even some sort of text-mode windowing shell available at the time. There's plenty of arguments that could be made in favor of any OS, but with as cheap as memory and HDD space are these days, resource requirements are kinda irrelevent.

[SavannahLion]

SavannahLion - something is wrong with your mom's PC. I'd check to see just how much junk is running in the background. Some PC vendors are notorious for pre-installing a lot of stuff you don't need and probably don't want that can slow things down.

I did an initial stripping of the OS, but not a full blown treatment. Removed obvious BS crap like 3rd party auto-update, useless anti-virii, and some silly online backup software . Didn't get a chance to really dig in and deal with the hidden 3rd party ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and Microsoft's own crap.

But that's not really the point I was trying to get at. The point is that Microsoft really needs to start focusing on trimming the existing fat out of their OS or, failing that, making it a hell of a lot easier for end users to do so. As it stands now, you have to dig around in a lot of areas of the system to clean it up. I could do it with Win98 entirely within the registry. With Microsoft's more recent OSes it takes a little bit more work and digging around to trim it up.