I guess Arcade Hollywood is branching out

[Ummon]

http://tucson.craigslist.org/ele/779680090.html

[erictrumpet]

This is obvious, but just for my own clarification:
Our community's issue with these folks is twofold:
1. converting the most revered of classic cabs to mame as opposed to restoring them; and
2. blatantly advertising cabs with roms loaded.
Right?
Because frankly, I like that machine. It's a respectful conversion, from a design point of view anyway (the mostly full-featured CP in all black is nicely understated and fits within the stock dimensions), so if this were a scratch built DK clone instead of a raped and pillaged classic DK cab, it wouldn't be so bad right? (Illegal roms notwithstanding).
I know nothing about Hollywood Arcades or whoever they are, I just kinda like that cab.

Eric.

[Kevin Mullins]

145 fully-licensed arcade games the moment that you plug it in.

and

Donkey Kong MAME

Just don't go together........ period.

Disgust: http://arcadehollywood.net/42601.html

[Donkey_Kong]

This is obvious, but just for my own clarification:
Our community's issue with these folks is twofold:
1. converting the most revered of classic cabs to mame as opposed to restoring them; and
2. blatantly advertising cabs with roms loaded.
Right?
Because frankly, I like that machine. It's a respectful conversion, from a design point of view anyway (the mostly full-featured CP in all black is nicely understated and fits within the stock dimensions), so if this were a scratch built DK clone instead of a raped and pillaged classic DK cab, it wouldn't be so bad right? (Illegal roms notwithstanding).
I know nothing about Hollywood Arcades or whoever they are, I just kinda like that cab.

Eric.

So apparently the 145 games are licensed (cd included in the sale?) So that would leave the DK mame beign the only problem...unless there was a DK board within the game....then everything is on the up and up as far as licensing is concerned? I could be, and probably am wrong though. haha

I'm curious though how a guy goes about selling his homeade cab and not breaking teh rules... Seems like the packaged licensed multiple game CD's would be the way to go.

[Spaced Ace]

I don't know, smells like bull !!! 

I guarentee he doesnt have the rights or is licensed to sell 20 clone Donkey Kong arcades.  I mean, there has to be some trademark violation there or something....

If you're going to spend all that work, money & time on a clone/MAME cab, why not just go the extra mile, design your own cab, artwork and logo and make a multi-cade cab?  I mean, if you already have the license for the games/ROMS, why put it in cab like that?  I don't know, I just think its stupid to play Mortal Kombat on a Tempest "dedicated" cab...

[Kevin Mullins]

So apparently the 145 games are licensed (cd included in the sale?)

Nope..... I would bet money it's just a MAME setup.

They are including 145 games, but also mention the fact that you can add more games.
Also if you look at the list of "supported games" on their web-site then it's even more clear that it's a MAME setup.
http://arcadehollywood.net/47601.html

So where they are getting this "licensed" statement is unclear and probably bogus.
Licensed to someone... yes.      Licensed to them.... I highly doubt it.

[fjl]

Would it be illegal to sell them the arcade only and say the ROMs are included free of charge? If your not selling them, its not illegal, right?

 

[FrizzleFried]

That's not an original Donkey Kong cabinet.  Look at the coin door.

[Kevin Mullins]

Would it be illegal to sell them the arcade only and say the ROMs are included free of charge? If your not selling them, its not illegal, right?

 

It's illegal to "distribute" them ....

That's not an original Donkey Kong cabinet.  Look at the coin door.

Good point, could be a number of reason for that though.
Modified, scratch built, who knows..... still illegal.

[FrizzleFried]

Oh,  don't get me wrong.  ArcadeHollycrap is the Anti-Christ of this scene.  They are all that is bad about MAME and the ability to create working arcade machines with a PC.  If the son-of-a----smurfette--- who runs the place was to step off the curb and be hit by a speeding bus the only thing I'd feel bad about is the fact that some poor schlub would have to clean up the mess. 

...that said,  at least it's likely not an original DK cabinet.

[erictrumpet]

See, Frizzle's comments make utterly no sense to me. ESPECIALLY if the cabs are scratch-built repros of DK, Defender, etc. Other than the illegal roms, I see no problem with what they are doing. Unless I am missing something... please enlighten me. (And not with ridiculous statements about hoping the owner gets hit by a bus, give me a break man.)

Eric.

[FrizzleFried]

See, Frizzle's comments make utterly no sense to me. ESPECIALLY if the cabs are scratch-built repros of DK, Defender, etc. Other than the illegal roms, I see no problem with what they are doing. Unless I am missing something... please enlighten me. (And not with ridiculous statements about hoping the owner gets hit by a bus, give me a break man.)

Eric.

Eric,  that's not enough for you? (see bolded type above)

How about the fact they are including MAME,  which in itself is illegal?

How about the fact they HAVE butchered original cabs (look a their photos on their site)...

How about the fact they are attempting to sell a few hundred dollars of stuff for over $2,200?

...or the fact they've been a thorn in the side of the MAME community for years now?

If you all all that up...is that enough to warrant "ire" at the company in your eyes?

Here are some original cabinets they've managed to destroy:

















Will it ever stop?  Not Yet!!







It's like a freakin' horror show!!





...and there are more!!   

Now,  do you understand?

[erictrumpet]

Okay, see that's what I was asking for -- real reasons why there is so much dislike for these guys. Now I get it.
THEY SUCK THEY SHOULD DIE is less helpful.

Eric.

[NickG]

Hi I followed the link earlier and saw most of these.  It is funny; some of these, if properly restored instead of altered up, would fetch the same price.  I was wondering though, what is wrong about this one?   I have seen a lot of NeoGeo setups like this. 

[Kevin Mullins]

That one I would let slide...... generic cab and it doesn't appeared to be MAME'd, NEO GEO'd instead.

But that Galaga MAME !?!?
Hell it looks like it was originally a Stargate.
Just makes no sense.
(amongst all the other butched machines there)

Anyways, enough ranting about this topic from me, I generally don't get into these discussions because they go south too quickly and get ugly.

[Spaced Ace]

Well, here is how I feel about it, either way its low.  If you have one MAME machine and you re selling it, than that's okay, but this guy sells hundreds with thousands of ROMS.  I sold a single MAME, yes, I had some phone calls that had people yelling at me at the other end after listing it on craigslist.  But it was to recoup what I put into the machine for material and labor, not the ROMS.  I don't see anything wrong with that, but c'mon, arcade after arcade?  It's just low to me to make your living this way.

But, we can set here and post how bad it is all year, until Capcom, Atari, Namco and the ESA decide to do something about it, it doesnt really matter...

[ark_ader]

I don't know what you guys are banging on about.  I do not think anyone cares anymore.

I went to a local arcade dealer in the states last month and they guy was selling custom cabs with 48-1 boards.

These were blatant rip offs, but these people get away with it.

Some of us are calling the kettle black with our collections.   

But I'm not opposed to awareness of copyright integrity in any shape or form, especially on this forum. 

[Spaced Ace]

Some of us are calling the kettle black with our collections.   

Ah, but most of us arent making a profit doing so.  Most of us are not vendors selling cabs.

[FrizzleFried]

I do believe that Neo-Geo is MAMED (as that is what these guys do)...but I admit it's the least offensive of the piles and piles of destroyed cabs on his site. 

I too don't have a problem with a guy selling his personal MAME...frankly,   ROMS or not.  Just don't go advertising it and for Christ sakes don't turn it in to a business.

[Ummon]

To be a certain measure fair, most of the cabs are largely intact, with only a monitor and CP replacement needed. The exception here is Tempest: that CP is just too cool to modify. I mainly posted on this because I think their 'schtick' about vintage+modern is funny. And though they're on ebay, I find it interesting they're starting to advertise in classifieds outside of their state.