ITS FINALY IN MY GARAGE!!!!

[pincky]

hey guys!!


my boss droped off my new present!! a mortal kombat 2 cab!!! (converted to have teken 3 in it!)

i items to get are a arcadevgs and a j-pac!!

i am really excited about this becasue i've always wanted to make a mame cab

i have a question thought

does the power supply also power the jamma connector? if show i can remove the power so there is no power to the jamma connector?
thanks!!

i will post pics as soon as i find my camera!

[Level42]

You're not scoring points with converting an original to Mame my friend.

But it's a 90's fighter, so what the heck do I care

Yes, of course there is power going to the Jamma connector, else the PCB wouldn't have any juice to run on

It's best to remove the power at the power supply...

[Kronos]

I don't see a problem. You can't swing a dead whore without hitting a MK2 cab 

[shardian]

I don't see a problem. You can't swing a dead whore without hitting a MK2 cab 

Conversion Midway cabs, yes. Good condition dedicated art MK2, not so much.

[ChadTower]

I wouldn't care, but then again, I consider MK/Streetfighter a main culprit in wrecking the arcade industry. 

[shardian]

I wouldn't care, but then again, I consider MK/Streetfighter a main culprit in wrecking the arcade industry. 

Hell, if anything those 2 games gave arcades a temporary new lease on life in the 90's. The crash was in the mid-80's you know.

[ChadTower]

Hell, if anything those 2 games gave arcades a temporary new lease on life in the 90's. The crash was in the mid-80's you know.

Of the arcades I was able to go to in the early 90s, they were still mostly classics.  Once MK/SF came around the classics were gone overnight.  I imagine most of them met grisly deaths.  Can't say that wouldn't have happened anyway, of course, but MK/SF was the catalyst for when it happened.  Little in the arcade after this point, except mostly pinball, holds any interest to me.

[pincky]

You're not scoring points with converting an original to Mame my friend.

But it's a 90's fighter, so what the heck do I care

Yes, of course there is power going to the Jamma connector, else the PCB wouldn't have any juice to run on

It's best to remove the power at the power supply...

ok i can just clip the cables but i would need to leave the power wire to the arcade monitor intact?

[Level42]

Unless you want a black screen

[Edit] Sorry man, no pun intended.....

[spacies]

I wouldn't care, but then again, I consider MK/Streetfighter a main culprit in wrecking the arcade industry. 

Well said my friend.
I totally agree with you on that. SOBs

[pincky]

I wouldn't care, but then again, I consider MK/Streetfighter a main culprit in wrecking the arcade industry. 

Well said my friend.
I totally agree with you on that. SOBs

Are you serious? i would of thought that mk/SF2 revised the arcade industry with a new generation?

[ChadTower]

Are you serious? i would of thought that mk/SF2 revised the arcade industry with a new generation?

That isn't a good thing if you didn't like that new generation.  I have no use for fighting games.

[Dazz]

Personally...  I like a good fighting game almost as much as I love the classics.   

[FhM]

Personally...  I like a good fighting game almost as much as I love the classics.   

Me too

[Orclord]

Are you serious? i would of thought that mk/SF2 revised the arcade industry with a new generation?

That isn't a good thing if you didn't like that new generation.  I have no use for fighting games.

Amen......

[Havok]

Fighting games are arcade fodder. Mame away...

 

[BrentRadio]

I don't see a problem. You can't swing a dead whore without hitting a MK2 cab 

Dude, if you get dead whore juice on my MK2 cab I'm going to be pissed!

[CheffoJeffo]

I don't see a problem. You can't swing a dead whore without hitting a MK2 cab 

Dude, if you get dead whore juice on my MK2 cab I'm going to be pissed!

 

[MaximRecoil]

Of the arcades I was able to go to in the early 90s, they were still mostly classics.  Once MK/SF came around the classics were gone overnight.  I imagine most of them met grisly deaths.  Can't say that wouldn't have happened anyway, of course, but MK/SF was the catalyst for when it happened.  Little in the arcade after this point, except mostly pinball, holds any interest to me.

That's weird. I started playing arcade games regularly in '84, and I only ever saw current games on location, even in the small places like laundromats or general stores. In '84 I knew of games like Missile Command, Asteroids, Defender, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, etc. because my older brother and his friends talked about them (plus I'd played the console ports), but I never saw any on location by '84. I was playing Karate Champ and Punch-Out!! mainly, which both came out in '84.

In '85 in my neck of the woods, Gauntlet was the big game; in '86, Rampage; in '87, Double Dragon, in '88, Bad Dudes, in '89, Final Fight...

Then in '91 Street Fighter II came along and blew the roof off the joint. Around here it didn't replace any classics (which were long gone), just dime-a-dozen late '80s JAMMA games.

In the early 90's I saw a Dig Dug at a laundromat and it seemed like a relic from the distant past.

[Level42]

I hate fighting games (the tekken stuff etc). So it really got me by surprise that I liked Soul Calibur SO much when I finally got a Dreamcast.....(only a year or 2 ago).

[Crowquill]

Congrats on the new cabinet. MK2 cabinets are great for MAME if you ask me. Pics are always welcome.

You'll want to familiarize yourself with the electrical wiring in your cabinet first. This can be very dangerous and you don't want to just start clipping wires. Read through these:

Ultimarc's J-Pac instructions

Power Wiring from scratch

I'd say you're better to disconnect the 110V before it gets to the power supply. As mentioned, most power supplies have a safety shut-off if there's not a load on it, but why give it power if you're not using it anyway?

Hell, if anything those 2 games gave arcades a temporary new lease on life in the 90's. The crash was in the mid-80's you know.

Of the arcades I was able to go to in the early 90s, they were still mostly classics.  Once MK/SF came around the classics were gone overnight.  I imagine most of them met grisly deaths.  Can't say that wouldn't have happened anyway, of course, but MK/SF was the catalyst for when it happened.  Little in the arcade after this point, except mostly pinball, holds any interest to me.

While there were a few classics mixed in, the arcades I went to were filled with Double Dragon clones, platform games, racing games,and shooters. Until the fighting games hit you never saw a big crowd gathered around a machine. The fighting games really revitalized the arcades that I visited.

But fighting games didn't kill arcades, game consoles did. By the Playstation/Saturn era most arcade game ports on the home systems were identical to their arcade counterparts and many times added new features. The Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur blows away its arcade counterpart. It was at that point that arcade games shifted to having unusual controllers that couldn't be reproduced at home. The Wii has even taken some of that edge away now.

[fjl]

I would say one of the main culprits for the death of the arcade would have to be rise of technology from consoles. The first arcade games weren't very high on graphics and technology. Those where perfect for the quick shoot em up games like Space Invaders. Once technology exploded like it did, game companies had the opportunity to create lenghty games like Zelda and Resident Evil. But those games require a lot of time to play. You can't put games like those at an arcade. Arcade games where mostly meant for quick play, thats where games like Donkey Kong, Dig-Dug, Pac-Man come in. Great games all easy to learn and play and their quick. No big budget production themes, no lenghty stories, no high learning curves to understand the game. Perfect for yesterdays arcade technology. But since people preffered the lenghty games of consoles more people stayed at home than visiting their local arcade. And thus crashed the arcade business.

That was one of the reasons I stopped going to arcades. Well that and because most of the newer games went up in price to 50 cents or a dollar. Screw that! I'll gladly stay in comfort of my own home and play my console games for free!

[ChadTower]

That's weird. I started playing arcade games regularly in '84, and I only ever saw current games on location, even in the small places like laundromats or general stores. In '84 I knew of games like Missile Command, Asteroids, Defender, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, etc. because my older brother and his friends talked about them (plus I'd played the console ports), but I never saw any on location by '84. I was playing Karate Champ and Punch-Out!! mainly, which both came out in '84.

You didn't live in backwoods Canada.  We got everything well behind release schedule.

[pincky]

Congrats on the new cabinet. MK2 cabinets are great for MAME if you ask me. Pics are always welcome.

You'll want to familiarize yourself with the electrical wiring in your cabinet first. This can be very dangerous and you don't want to just start clipping wires. Read through these:

Ultimarc's J-Pac instructions

Power Wiring from scratch

I'd say you're better to disconnect the 110V before it gets to the power supply. As mentioned, most power supplies have a safety shut-off if there's not a load on it, but why give it power if you're not using it anyway?

Hell, if anything those 2 games gave arcades a temporary new lease on life in the 90's. The crash was in the mid-80's you know.

Of the arcades I was able to go to in the early 90s, they were still mostly classics.  Once MK/SF came around the classics were gone overnight.  I imagine most of them met grisly deaths.  Can't say that wouldn't have happened anyway, of course, but MK/SF was the catalyst for when it happened.  Little in the arcade after this point, except mostly pinball, holds any interest to me.

While there were a few classics mixed in, the arcades I went to were filled with Double Dragon clones, platform games, racing games,and shooters. Until the fighting games hit you never saw a big crowd gathered around a machine. The fighting games really revitalized the arcades that I visited.

But fighting games didn't kill arcades, game consoles did. By the Playstation/Saturn era most arcade game ports on the home systems were identical to their arcade counterparts and many times added new features. The Dreamcast version of Soul Calibur blows away its arcade counterpart. It was at that point that arcade games shifted to having unusual controllers that couldn't be reproduced at home. The Wii has even taken some of that edge away now.

I do i need the power supply for the monitor? or can i just hook it up to a power strip?

[lcddream]

But fighting games didn't kill arcades, game consoles did.

Agreed.

[ChadTower]

Only because the arcade developers stopped producing experiences that were beyond the capability of consoles.  For years there pretty much every new arcade game was no better that you could get at home.  Which games were those, you ask?  The fighters. 

As soon as the arcade developers came out with new experiences that couldn't be duplicated at home the arcades started a small comeback.  Of course, now that Guitar Hero and Rock Band are out there, it's probably going the other way again.

[lcddream]

IMO, the fighters, driving, and light gun games were the games that stuck in arcades because you couldn't get them at home. So if anything they were the games that were keeping the arcades alive.


We are kind of off topic here though. Maybe a new topic?

[ChadTower]

We are kind of off topic here though. Maybe a new topic?

Nah.  This topic has been done eleventy brazillian times already.

To get back to this guy's question, MAMEing most fighters will offend nobody.  Some will be offended if you MAME an original dedicated.  There aren't a whole lot of those, relatively speaking, so odds are low you have one.  Check first, though, to be sure.

[yalborap]

I look at it this way: If you really think any of the genres 'ruined' or 'killed' arcades, you're really getting worked up over nothing. It wasn't something so enemy-forming as 'consoles killed arcades', and it wasn't something so demographic-splitting as 'fighters killed the arcades'.

It was simple progression of technology. Unless you want the high scores or direct competition, there's no real reason to go down to an arcade over a personal machine, or if you're more open to not-quite-exact experiences, a perfect port(in terms of the raw code). For many people, it wasn't about those two, it was just about playing the best games they had available to them. And when tech got good enough that your basic joystick-and-buttons title could be replicated with little drawback gameplay-wise(ignoring issues like arcade controls being better, for my own sanity), well, what were you left with?

The games that needed those high scores/direct competition, and the games that still couldn't be replicated. Now, high scores have been capable of being done over the internet since friggin' dial-up, as they're just a few lines of text. So, unless you need that 'locals only' feel to your high scores, that's been pretty well replicated. So that just leaves direct competition, and unreplicatable games.

Now what does THIS leave us? Fighters and the unique controlled stuff, like DDR and those VR games and such.

Fighters didn't 'kill' arcades, and consoles alone didn't 'kill' arcades. If the consoles had STARTED equal to arcades, instead of lagging behind for years, arcades wold've been stillborn. And if fighters had been around at that point, we would've had the situation of the early-to-mid-90s right away. The issue is simple; most people just want to play the game. They don't want or need the arcade experience to do that. It's basic human nature. If you can have something right next to you, or you can have something far away, you'll take the one right next to you every time unless you severely value the improvements of the one far away.

Sorry if I ranted too much or offended anyone.

[pincky]

Back to the orgional subject

I've got some pictures posted on my web server of the cab

here is the link

http://pincky.gotdns.com/pictures/my arcade pictures

Let me know what you think

i am  going to want a redesigned control panel

would somebody be able to help me with that i have an idea and i got the guy to make it out of wood i just wanted to know if someone could draw them up?
thanks!