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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #240 on: July 04, 2008, 03:55:38 pm »
New bench pass on .125.9 on C2D E8400 at 4.05Ghz. [445x9]

http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #241 on: July 04, 2008, 11:40:41 pm »
Sweet, nice to see a wide range of drivers benchmarked.

Welcome to the 4ghz+ club, what core voltage are you running ? (my E8500 is an early Engineering Sample and runs on above average voltages, I'm waiting for the release of the E7300 and E8600 to replace it something a little less voltage hungry.)


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #242 on: July 05, 2008, 06:52:53 pm »
Asus P5K-E Wifi 445*9
4G Corsair DDR2-800 XMS2 memory 5x5x5x12 @1.9V [same memory from my e6400 that went to 3.5Ghz]
Vcore 1.4V
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Everything else on auto.
45 at idle 67 under load.

Even bumping the NB/SB voltages I couldn't get stable at 4.2.. got into Windows but Orthos, Prime, and Mame's benches didn't pass.. could be my memory.  Might try some ddr2-1066.

Sadly the latest version of Mame w/ the debugger rolled in has impacted high end games vs .125u6, but I've been keeping Aaron and RB in the loop. :)

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #243 on: July 15, 2008, 01:02:50 am »
One more bench run:

Cleaned up and collected from multiple machines on .126.

http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm

Note: Pre-RB submitted SH-2 UDRC. 



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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #244 on: July 15, 2008, 03:23:10 pm »
I need to upgrade from my xp1800+, but I currently have a really tight budget. This ad from fry's fits in my budget. http://www.netaffilia.com/ads/electronics/frys/Intel-Core-2-Duo-Processor-E7200-ECS-GF7050VT-M-Motherboard/2008/07/11/33900

You guys are the experts on these; what do you think of this setup? I would want to use the onboard graphics with soft-15khz. Reviews on newegg say the mb has few features, but is a good overclocker.

A friend is coming to visit from San Jose this weekend, so Fry's is finally an option.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2008, 05:29:57 pm »
Yeah that's a great deal on the 7200, it's $129 at newegg right now for just the cpu.. and you can check the reviews on that page fwiw some claim to get to 4Ghz w/ it.  You'll probably need to budget for better cooling if you try that route.  That will vault you quite a ways from your 1800+!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052&Tpk=E7200%2bWolfdale
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #246 on: July 15, 2008, 07:25:34 pm »
Search the soft15 thread for Nvidia 7000 series posts. I seem to recall mixed success.
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #247 on: July 16, 2008, 01:46:02 pm »
Quote from: John IV [MameUI64
link=topic=72776.msg854893#msg854893

Sadly the latest version of Mame w/ the debugger rolled in has impacted high end games vs .125u6, but I've been keeping Aaron and RB in the loop. :)

How much has the debugger impacted performance?  Can it be disabled?

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #248 on: July 16, 2008, 04:04:06 pm »
I'm running xp64.   Does anyone know if there is a difference in performance between running xp 64 as compared to vista 64?


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #249 on: July 17, 2008, 01:37:49 am »
It's about 5-9 percent hit on most games.

However on some of the intensive benched games it was as high as 15% unfortunately.  No there is no way to turn it off short of removing the code and recompiling.

You'll find better support for drivers etc in Vista64 and better performance overall w/ its intelligent caching and prefetch/superfetch these days.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #250 on: July 17, 2008, 10:59:05 am »
I'm running xp64.   Does anyone know if there is a difference in performance between running xp 64 as compared to vista 64?

In my own personal tests, I found them to be dead on the exact same.  Now thats on a small sample size to be sure, but it was enough to convince me that it did not make a difference big enough to worry about.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #251 on: July 22, 2008, 01:35:23 pm »
The best CPUs for Mame just got a price cut.. FYI. Should have held out a little longer for the e8500 (31% cut!) now the same price I paid for my e8400.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2267


Here’s a rundown of the price cuts on the desktop:

Q6600 (Quad-core, 2.40GHz)
Now: $193 | Was: $224 - 14% cut
E8500 (Dual-core, 3.16GHz)
Now: $183 | Was: $266 - 31% cut
E8400 (Dual-core, 3.00GHz)
Now: $163 | Was: $183 - 11% cut
E7200 (Dual-core, 2.53GHz)
Now: $113 | Was: $133 - 15% cut 



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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #252 on: July 22, 2008, 01:46:47 pm »
The E8500 is the same as a E8400, only tested longer at the given speed. They both clock over equally well to around 4ghz.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #253 on: July 22, 2008, 02:02:09 pm »
I have a e8500 arriving from newegg today, it will replace my e6850
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #254 on: July 22, 2008, 07:23:06 pm »
Got a E7200 back the other week for my new cab, OC to 3.8ghz  ;D, thats about a 52% increase in performace!  :cheers:

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #255 on: August 02, 2008, 12:03:38 am »
My head is about to explode....  I've just read every message from beginning to end.... 

With that said/written, I would REALLY like the opinion of all of you guys (and taz the mame oc champ himself) on a used computer I may be buying.  The cost of the sum of the parts is greater than what he's asking for.  So even though this isn't the optimum setup with an E8500, 64bit vista, nice memory, cooling, etc. 

What sort of overclocking do you guys expect that I'd be able to get off of this?  ...and how well do you think this will run v.126 out of the gate?  Finally, how much of an improvement (rough %) do you think this will be over my current Pentium4 2.53ghz?  tons appreciated!

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- Antec NSK4480 Mid Tower Case w/380W Antec Earthwatts PSU
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #256 on: August 02, 2008, 05:40:11 am »
lettuce - what board and heatsink are you using with your e7200? I have a cheap ecs board and stock fan, and I can't do much with it.

Is there a modestly priced board that would be good for overclocking? I think I remember a 35 board mentioned here, but has anyone tried a 45? The e7200 would be nice to oc, but my e8400 is the one that I really want to push. It will be the one going in the cab. I have the zalman 9700 on that one, but the board I have is about useless for ocing. If anyone here has the zalman -  mine is not very tight on the cpu. It shifts a little once in a while. I don't see a way to tighten it any more.

So far, Vista 64 is a pita. I ended up having to use my good wireless n card for the cab computer because it is the only one I have with 64bit drivers. Does anyone have a suggestion for a temp monitor that runs in Vista 64?

I will be working on this as much as I can, but I am kinda sidetracked at the moment. I just brought home a dedicated donkey kong, and I am working on the cap kit. The monitor wouldn't display full width which makes it hard to play. If I don't screw it up, I should have it done this afternoon.

So many projects, so little time.  :dunno

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #257 on: August 02, 2008, 06:21:19 am »
lettuce - what board and heatsink are you using with your e7200? I have a cheap ecs board and stock fan, and I can't do much with it.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #258 on: August 03, 2008, 05:21:54 am »
My head is about to explode....  I've just read every message from beginning to end.... 

With that said/written, I would REALLY like the opinion of all of you guys (and taz the mame oc champ himself) on a used computer I may be buying.  The cost of the sum of the parts is greater than what he's asking for.  So even though this isn't the optimum setup with an E8500, 64bit vista, nice memory, cooling, etc. 

What sort of overclocking do you guys expect that I'd be able to get off of this?  ...and how well do you think this will run v.126 out of the gate?  Finally, how much of an improvement (rough %) do you think this will be over my current Pentium4 2.53ghz?  tons appreciated!

- Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 mATX Motherboard
- Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 1.86GHz Processor
- Crucial Ballstix 2x1GB PC-6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM in Dual Channel
- Sapphire Radeon X700 Pro 256MB PCI-E Video Card
- Antec NSK4480 Mid Tower Case w/380W Antec Earthwatts PSU
- Cooler Master Rifle Bearing CPU Fan
- Antec 120MM TriCool Rear Case Exhast Fan

thanks again!



That system will give you about double the preformance of your current P4 in MAME, but it will not overclock well. the G31 & P31 chipsets from intel are cut down rubbish, and the E6300 being the slowest of the E6#00 series core 2 duos doesn't overclock that well either, your better off with a E4700 than a E6300 if your overclocking.

Depending how much you would have to pay for the system, you maybe better off getting E7200 and a P45 board with a cheap graphics card.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #259 on: August 03, 2008, 10:03:50 am »
Thanks tons taz.  I just had him run your mame arguments on the 32bit build of v0.126 on starblade and stock he was getting 67%.  When overclocked to 2.45ghz, he had it at 90%.  My pentium 4 build gets 37%.  I expect that after vista 64bit is installed to get starblade into 100% or higher.  i love that game!

Oh yeah, he's selling this setup for $300.  I priced the pieces separately and the cpu is around $160, board is $60, memory is 100 (or less).  The bonus of getting a used x700 which was a great card just a few years ago is nice.


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #260 on: August 03, 2008, 08:23:39 pm »
Can someone post new percentages for v0.126 32bit and 64bit for the games you guys have been doing (mainly taz)?  thanks!

I understand that v0.126 may have taken a performance hit recently b/c of debugging.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #261 on: August 08, 2008, 08:32:13 am »
Can someone post new percentages for v0.126 32bit and 64bit for the games you guys have been doing (mainly taz)?  thanks!

I understand that v0.126 may have taken a performance hit recently b/c of debugging.



ask and you will receive: (I included Direct3D preformance number aswell since MAME defaultly output via D3D)

Core 2 Duo E8500 (engineering sample) @ 4.4ghz Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1, MAMEUI 64bit v1.26u3

DDRaw command line:
mameui64.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 240 -nothrottle -nosleep -video ddraw -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt [Rom Name]

D3D command line:
mameui64.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 240 -nothrottle -nosleep -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt [Rom Name]

ROM      DDraw      D3D

1942      4751.87%   4272.79%
a51site4   Broken      Broken
airco22b   138.03%      138.43%
alpinerd   84.27%       81.68%
biofreak   142.76%      -----
blitz      166.30%      162.36%
blitz2k      157.05%      151.99%
blitz99      149.92%      145.89%
calspeed   215.25%      214.07%
carnevil   270.10%      266.88%
crusnusa   281.54%      270.45%
crusnwld   242.90%      239.12%
cybrcomm   130.48%      129.15%
cybrcycc   209.31%      195.07%
cyvern      810.06%    796.23%
daytona      217.55%      215.76%
gauntdl      132.71%      132.07%
gauntleg   157.77%      148.20%
gnbarich   3233.50%   3049.22%
gradius4   130.79%      127.51%
harddriv   415.63%      414.71%
hyprdriv   168.19%      164.18%
kinst2      678.36%      691.01%
mace      253.75%      250.10%
mk4      175.31%      172.28%
offroadc   333.61%      239.70%
propcycl   140.12%    133.39%
radikalb   168.95%      163.95%
raveracw   114.09%      111.08%
ridgerac   152.75%      145.75%
roadblst   1300.38%   1285.10%
rvschool   232.96%      225.76%
scud      Broken      Broken
sfrush      192.45%      173.70%
sidebs2      165.08%      162.68%
soulclbr   241.15%    239.70%
speedup      168.21%      163.44%
starblad   154.76%      152.11%
stunrun      621.32%      618.85%
surfplnt   156.40%    150.67%
tekken2      339.65%      336.21%
tekken3      199.57%      191.97%
tenthdeg   85.22%      84.36%
timecris   Broken      Broken
vfkids      207.16%      198.32%
wargods      389.88%      372.71%
wg3dh      374.09%      350.48%
wrally      1818.01%   1817.51%
xevi3dg      364.08%      358.75%


I see Aaron and the Dev team has been working hard lately to get Laser disc support intergated in MAME, Like I wasn't running out of Hard Disk space as it was  ;D

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #262 on: August 08, 2008, 06:55:17 pm »
Taz, thanks for still following up with this thread.  I've just blown a week and am pissed and tired...  it's very nice to see some baseline run %'s from mame v0.126!

I'm going to post some numbers and my dilemma shortly but I somehow thought that just going 64bit would give me massively improved numbers... but argh.  I'm taking a HUGE hit running XP x64 compared to Vista x64...

Have you or anyone else found that XP x64 performs significantly slower than Vista x64?  Details coming soon plus why i'm not just running Vista x64.


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #263 on: August 08, 2008, 07:42:32 pm »
Hey everyone.  First, here are some percentages for 6 games of varying run speeds.  My preference is if you guys can help me figure out what's wrong with my configuration or confirm what I'm experiencing is normal (hopefully not).

mame-v126.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 100 -nothrottle -nosleep -video ddraw -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt

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  CPU ------------------ Pentium4    E6300    E6300    E6300    E6300
  Clockspeed -----------     2.53     2.45     2.45     2.45     2.45
  OS Used --------------     XP32     XP32  Vista64     XP64     XP64
  MAME executable ------    32bit    32bit    64bit    32bit    64bit
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  Killer Instinct 2    -   143.2%   312.7%   365.7%   240.6%   276.7%
  Cruisin USA          -    55.4%   131.9%   139.8%    96.6%   108.2%
  Gauntlet Legends     -    30.1%    92.7%   107.6%    72.1%    82.8%
  Blitz 2k             -    27.9%    89.0%   101.9%    64.1%    72.8%
  Gradius 4            -    19.2%    66.1%    75.4%    49.4%    58.7%
  Starblade            -    37.3%    89.3%    83.6%    68.8%    64.2%
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After reading this entire thread (awesome but long), I figured it may not cost me so much to upgrade.  I recently bought a used system on craigslist for $300 to stretch out performance on some mame games as well as other emulators. 

My disappointment right now isn't so much that the system isn't performing as well as 4ghz and up systems mentioned in this thread but so much that there are apparently some trade off's that I hope I won't have to make (this is where you come in!)

My P4 at 2.53ghz was paired with an old AGP GeForce4 Ti.  You can see the performance above.  It ran nearly all of the "regular" mame games fine as you can guess but anything that required a little muscle, it was barely ok to poor.

The E6300 normally at 1.8ghz has been successfully overclocked to 2.45ghz.  Although I didn't record the results above, it basically runs proportionally faster by the clock speed percentage.  It is paired with an old PCI-E ATI x700 Pro and the system runs PC-6400 corsairs with blinky lights.

Staying on Windows XP 32bit there is a about a 2.5x o 3x speed improvement between the old and new pc.  Then once I go to to Vista x64 and run a 64bit version of mame, I get another 10% from that.  If everything worked great from here, my post may be about tweaking or planning a next CPU / motherboard purchase.

But the problem right now with Vista x64 is that SailorSat's fantastic Soft15Khz isn't working with Vista x64.... argh!!!  :banghead:  I've tried the latest powerstrip and haven't had any success with going below 640x480.  I've read the faq but am welcomed to suggestions.  The last alternative is to buy an ArcadeVGA v2 PCI-E and hope it also works with Vista x64.  Even if it does, other emulators will suffer since I think the x700 pro is a superior card to the ATI 9250 the ArcadeVGA v2 is based on.

With XP x64 everything works but I get the horrible numbers you see above for both 32bit and 64bit compiles of MAME.  Arghhh!!!!    :cry:

My hope is that either SailorSat fixes Vista x64 issues (or tell me how I've got it misconfigured) or one of you brainy forum readers can help me out with my potentially screwed up XP x64 box.  Yes, the latest ATI drivers and patches, etc have been installed.  Anti-Virus off, etc.  But please suggest more things to look at!

I ran these tests with 100 seconds but can do 240 as some of the more recent posts have been but it's the relative percentages to each other that I'm concerned about mostly.  Thanks everyone in advance....  you're my only hope.


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #265 on: August 09, 2008, 01:29:00 pm »
Hey everyone.  First, here are some percentages for 6 games of varying run speeds.  My preference is if you guys can help me figure out what's wrong with my configuration or confirm what I'm experiencing is normal (hopefully not).

mame-v126.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 100 -nothrottle -nosleep -video ddraw -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt

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  CPU ------------------ Pentium4    E6300    E6300    E6300    E6300
  Clockspeed -----------     2.53     2.45     2.45     2.45     2.45
  OS Used --------------     XP32     XP32  Vista64     XP64     XP64
  MAME executable ------    32bit    32bit    64bit    32bit    64bit
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  Killer Instinct 2    -   143.2%   312.7%   365.7%   240.6%   276.7%
  Cruisin USA          -    55.4%   131.9%   139.8%    96.6%   108.2%
  Gauntlet Legends     -    30.1%    92.7%   107.6%    72.1%    82.8%
  Blitz 2k             -    27.9%    89.0%   101.9%    64.1%    72.8%
  Gradius 4            -    19.2%    66.1%    75.4%    49.4%    58.7%
  Starblade            -    37.3%    89.3%    83.6%    68.8%    64.2%
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I ran these tests with 100 seconds but can do 240 as some of the more recent posts have been but it's the relative percentages to each other that I'm concerned about mostly.  Thanks everyone in advance....  you're my only hope.


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Okay it turns out after patching or tweaking some BIOS settings, the CPU defaulted back to its 1.86ghz.  Put memory speed and FSB back to the way it was and bam.  I guess at this rate, I won't need Vista x64 since new tests show XP x64 running 64bit mame is the same speed since i turn off just about every feature and service I can on Vista anyway.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #266 on: September 05, 2008, 01:13:41 am »
Wow, 64bit 4.0ghz overclocked with Cruisin World @ 249.66% a full year ago!

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #267 on: September 05, 2008, 08:56:03 am »
So wait, I could get better performance if I upgraded my Pentium 4 2.4Ghz machine?  :)

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #268 on: September 06, 2008, 12:34:53 am »

I understand that v0.126 may have taken a performance hit recently b/c of debugging.
ask and you will receive: (I included Direct3D preformance number aswell since MAME defaultly output via D3D)

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Taz, your numbers helped me out a lot to decided whether or not to upgrade the cab's PC.  Here are my numbers using your command line parameters from the $300 used computer I bought last month.  The pc's got a cheap mobo with an old ATI X700 pci-e card.

If others could add their % to these specific games that'll be useful to someone trying to find an upgrade path within their budget and not overspend on the quad core cpu's for mame.  I'd be interested in seeing some high numbers for AMD processors too.

Just like you've been writing in this thread, mame certainly seems to follow the proportional speed increases by the clockspeed.  Although looking at the numbers below, some of your games seem to go substantially faster than the roughly 75% speed difference between our CPUs.  Take a look at gnbarich for example.  Why do you think that is?


             C2D E8500  C2D E6300  C2D E6300
               4.4 ghz    2.5 ghz    2.5 ghz
           64bit 126u3  64bit 126  32bit 126
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1942          4751.87%   2611.04%   2697.46%
a51site4        Broken    118.01%     94.97%
airco22b       138.03%     80.26%     59.87%
alpinerd        84.27%     45.63%     30.05%
biofreak       142.76%     Broken     Broken
blitz          166.30%     92.63%     72.30%
blitz2k        157.05%     86.22%     69.56%
blitz99        149.92%     83.82%     66.28%
calspeed       215.25%     Broken     Broken
carnevil       270.10%    142.49%    111.00%
crusnusa       281.54%    149.22%    134.72%
crusnwld       242.90%    246.68%    245.60%
cybrcomm       130.48%     74.40%     54.00%
cybrcycc       209.31%    114.02%     90.30%
cyvern         810.06%    316.23%    294.12%
daytona        217.55%    328.96%    322.74%
gauntdl        132.71%     74.15%     60.59%
gauntleg       157.77%    100.11%    101.14%
gnbarich      3233.50%    766.85%    768.81%
gradius4       130.79%     74.44%     61.87%
harddriv       415.63%    237.19%    191.60%
hyprdriv       168.19%     94.87%     76.06%
kinst2         678.36%    384.33%    331.82%
mace           253.75%    138.52%    110.65%
mk4            175.31%     96.38%     89.31%
offroadc       333.61%    185.25%    168.36%
propcycl       140.12%     74.61%     43.37%
radikalb       168.95%     91.01%     78.45%
raveracw       114.09%     65.81%     49.05%
ridgerac       152.75%     81.37%     61.77%
roadblst      1300.38%    674.58%    534.92%
rvschool       232.96%    122.24%    121.11%
sfrush         192.45%     Broken     Broken
sidebs2        165.08%     91.45%    101.54%
soulclbr       241.15%    131.36%    139.21%
speedup        168.21%     91.21%     81.30%
starblad       154.76%     81.37%     87.93%
stunrun        621.32%    335.90%    280.72%
surfplnt       156.40%     84.91%     73.14%
tekken2        339.65%    182.04%    179.76%
tekken3        199.57%    112.28%    106.16%
tenthdeg        85.22%     48.73%     36.48%
vfkids         207.16%     76.01%     75.16%
wargods        389.88%    220.23%    199.09%
wg3dh          374.09%    210.67%    176.18%
wrally        1818.01%    899.52%    775.34%
xevi3dg        364.08%    192.35%    165.58%
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #269 on: September 06, 2008, 09:02:27 pm »
Perhaps you're not using a version of Mame that has the SH-2 DRC in it.

http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #270 on: September 06, 2008, 09:57:29 pm »
Perhaps you're not using a version of Mame that has the SH-2 DRC in it.

http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm

Holy smokes there's a big difference between 126 and 126u1.  Downloaded 127 64bit and some of these 3D games had a major improvement.  Now to recompile again with all the necessary patches.  thanks for pointing this out John.


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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #271 on: September 07, 2008, 02:11:37 am »
It seems that as usual as the version of mame goes up so down goes the general performance of some games.  Discounting performance difference within +/- 5% as some accepted deviation, a lot of these games took a hit going from 126 to 127. 

As John pointed out from the cpu changes since 126u1, games that use that CPU like Virtual Fighter Kids got a substantial speed boost.



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Rom          C2D E6300  C2D E8500  C2D E6300  C2D E6300      % diff  Faster
               2.5 ghz    4.4 ghz    2.5 ghz    2.5 ghz   of v0.126  version for
             32bit-126  64bit-126  64bit-126  64bit-127  over v0.12  this rom
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1942          2697.46%   4751.87%   2611.04%   2707.59%         -4%   ---
a51site4        94.97%     Broken    118.01%    932.14%       -690%   0.127  <-----
airco22b        59.87%    138.03%     80.26%     77.82%          3%   ---
alpinerd        30.05%     84.27%     45.63%     45.17%          1%   ---
biofreak        Broken    142.76%     Broken     Broken         ---   ---
blitz           72.30%    166.30%     92.63%     83.68%         10%   0.126
blitz2k         69.56%    157.05%     86.22%     79.57%          8%   0.126
blitz99         66.28%    149.92%     83.82%     76.53%          9%   0.126
calspeed        Broken    215.25%     Broken    225.08%         ---   ---
carnevil       111.00%    270.10%    142.49%    141.59%          1%   ---
crusnusa       134.72%    281.54%    149.22%    142.24%          5%   ---
crusnwld       245.60%    242.90%    246.68%    244.91%          1%   ---
cybrcomm        54.00%    130.48%     74.40%     71.41%          4%   ---
cybrcycc        90.30%    209.31%    114.02%    103.44%          9%   0.126
cyvern         294.12%    810.06%    316.23%    347.24%        -10%   0.127  <-----
daytona        322.74%    217.55%    328.96%    327.29%          1%   ---
gauntdl         60.59%    132.71%     74.15%     73.42%          1%   ---
gauntleg       101.14%    157.77%    100.11%     98.54%          2%   ---
gnbarich       768.81%   3233.50%    766.85%   1648.59%       -115%   0.127  <-----
gradius4        61.87%    130.79%     74.44%     71.97%          3%   ---
harddriv       191.60%    415.63%    237.19%    231.60%          2%   ---
hyprdriv        76.06%    168.19%     94.87%     89.12%          6%   0.126
kinst2         331.82%    678.36%    384.33%    378.22%          2%   ---
mace           110.65%    253.75%    138.52%    127.21%          8%   0.126
mk4             89.31%    175.31%     96.38%     93.71%          3%   ---
offroadc       168.36%    333.61%    185.25%    181.99%          2%   ---
propcycl        43.37%    140.12%     74.61%     71.16%          5%   ---
radikalb        78.45%    168.95%     91.01%     73.73%         19%   0.126
raveracw        49.05%    114.09%     65.81%     60.67%          8%   0.126
ridgerac        61.77%    152.75%     81.37%     74.40%          9%   0.126
roadblst       534.92%   1300.38%    674.58%    680.38%         -1%   ---
rvschool       121.11%    232.96%    122.24%    124.67%         -2%   ---
sfrush          Broken    192.45%     Broken     Broken         ---   ---
sidebs2        101.54%    165.08%     91.45%     84.84%          7%   0.126
soulclbr       139.21%    241.15%    131.36%    134.15%         -2%   ---
speedup         81.30%    168.21%     91.21%     79.86%         12%   0.126
starblad        87.93%    154.76%     81.37%     82.49%         -1%   ---
stunrun        280.72%    621.32%    335.90%    333.14%          1%   ---
surfplnt        73.14%    156.40%     84.91%     73.12%         14%   0.126
tekken2        179.76%    339.65%    182.04%    181.83%          0%   ---
tekken3        106.16%    199.57%    112.28%    110.65%          1%   ---
tenthdeg        36.48%     85.22%     48.73%     46.50%          5%   ---
vfkids          75.16%    207.16%     76.01%    114.51%        -51%   0.127  <-----
wargods        199.09%    389.88%    220.23%    193.78%         12%   0.126
wg3dh          176.18%    374.09%    210.67%    185.35%         12%   0.126
wrally         775.34%   1818.01%    899.52%    911.01%         -1%   ---
xevi3dg        165.58%    364.08%    192.35%    194.21%         -1%   ---
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #272 on: October 01, 2008, 07:04:27 pm »
Wow, my MAME dreams have pretty much come true. I just upgraded from a 3.4GHz P4 to an E8500 (E0 stepping) overclocked to 4Ghz (at the moment, im gonna try to push it farther soon). My favorite arcade racing game of all time San Francisco Rush, is running pretty much 100% speed with Mame .127 64-bit (I never thought I'd live to see this day). The only problem I have is that the sound is 1 or 2 seconds behind the video, when I smash into a wall I dont hear the sound for about 1 to 2 seconds after, even though the sound and the video are running at 100%. How can I fix this?


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« Reply #273 on: October 01, 2008, 09:04:47 pm »
You probably need to drive more carefully  :laugh2:
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #274 on: October 11, 2008, 04:01:14 pm »
I now have my E8500 running at 4.5Ghz stable, and the sound in SFRUSH is still lagging about 2 seconds behind the video even though the game runs 100% pretty much all of the time. I downloaded NFL blitz because I know it uses the seattle hardware too, and the sound is not lagging behind like it is with RUSH. Fraps says NFL Blitz is running at 57fps, and SFRUSH is only running at 30fps, I even manually set it to 60hz and it still dead locked at 30fps.

Is it possible that maybe this game isnt emulated correctly? Or maybe my ROM is outdated, its been sitting on my hard drive for 5 years probably.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #275 on: October 11, 2008, 05:37:29 pm »
Seriously, try messing around with the sound buffer parameter to see if it helps at all.
Is this the only game where you are experiencing this?
If you have other games that use the same MAME driver, try one of those as well to see if you can narrow it down from MAME setup to driver to game.
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #276 on: October 15, 2008, 06:04:45 pm »
So I finally got around to try and setup MAME.
But have yet to put together a PC for it.
I have some older attributes laying around what I am planning to use:
AMD X2 4800+
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2gig ram
250gig harddisk

I just wanted to know what can I expect from this setup, I really want to make it work with this processor. Maybe you guys can give me some help or better suggestions.

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #277 on: October 15, 2008, 06:25:18 pm »
So I finally got around to try and setup MAME.
But have yet to put together a PC for it.
I have some older attributes laying around what I am planning to use:
AMD X2 4800+
Nvidia 7900GT
2gig ram
250gig harddisk

I just wanted to know what can I expect from this setup, I really want to make it work with this processor. Maybe you guys can give me some help or better suggestions.


It depends on what you want to run.  There is a huge space between the power necessary to run old-school 2D games and the power necessary to run old-school 3D games.

Classics like Ms. Pac Man, Galaga, etc can be run on slower computers without issue.  I have am XP1800+ in one of my cabs and it runs 99% of the classics without issue.

Fighters/Shooters require a little more power than classics.  That same XP1800+ scoots along fine on the vast majority of fighters and shooters though some games DO push it.  CPS3 fighters,  for example,  and some of the newer (as in 2000 or so) shooters that use pseudo-3d techniques, etc will slow the system down.  I'd say you'd be safe with just about any AMD64 CPU or P4 3ghz or better.

Just about anything 3D requires a CORE2DUO processor.  You're not going to be happy with ANYTHING AMD produces,  period.   If you want to play Blitz, the racers, 3d fighters, etc... you're looking at a CORE2DUO.

So what you have there is a system that will play all non-3d games really really nicely,  but will handle 3d games like crap.  It sucks,  I know...I am right there with you.
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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #278 on: October 15, 2008, 06:34:36 pm »
Well it's going to be my first setup for it so should be good with the classic 2D things. Mostly doing it for the King of Fighters serie.
Havent really gotten the change to work out on the 3D games :(

And did hear about windows 32 bit en 64bit differences but does it really matter?

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Re: 4Ghz Core 2 Duo vs M.A.M.E. 0.120 (benchmark results)
« Reply #279 on: October 15, 2008, 06:45:44 pm »
Well it's going to be my first setup for it so should be good with the classic 2D things. Mostly doing it for the King of Fighters serie.
Havent really gotten the change to work out on the 3D games :(

And did hear about windows 32 bit en 64bit differences but does it really matter?

For 2D fighters and such your rig will excel.  It will eat the King of Fighter series alive.

With the old school games and your processor I doubt you'll experience enough of an increase in speed to warrant going from 32bit to 64bit.  Core2Duo...again,  another story,  well worth considering.
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