Slik Stik - Any Word

[leapinlew]

Dude you don't even know a damn thing about me, other then the what is in this thread, so your assumptions mean nothing.

And yet you feel qualified to make assumptions on others. Interesting.

[CheffoJeffo]

* CheffoJeffo puts down his copy of The Revolutionist's Handbook, raises a glass to Tiger-Heli and turns up the stereo

[RetroGreg]

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[M37R01D]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

[leapinlew]

I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

So I can officially call you a liar then?

[M37R01D]

I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

So I can officially call you a liar then?

How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.

[patrickl]

You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though

[FrizzleFried]

Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?

 

[ChadTower]

You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though

He also didn't say "I got my stuff."  At worst the language is ambiguous... it doesn't look like to me an attempt at lying.   

[Orclord]

I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

So I can officially call you a liar then?

How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.

[/lurk]

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion you are only posting in this thread to increase your post count....

[lurk]

[Tiger-Heli]

Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?

 

He did for about three posts - I was impressed.

* Tiger-Heli thanks Cheffo and jams out to the appropriate music.

[M37R01D]

You didn't say "I will get my stuff" though

Oh sorry I keep forgetting how meticulous you guys are lol

Didn't Saint politely ask you to cut the "txtspeak" crap out?

 

DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--

I order something from a website. After some delays and aggrivation, I get my stuff.

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

So I can officially call you a liar then?

How is that a lie, --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- I will "get my stuff"
You people just love twisting words around.

[/lurk]

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion you are only posting in this thread to increase your post count....

[lurk]

Plz I could care less how many posts I have here, but thx for the laugh

[FrizzleFried]

DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--

Haha...he said -poop chute-

 

[Orclord]

Plz I could care less how many posts I have here, but thx for the laugh

You're welcome.....

It's good for people to laugh......

 

[ChadTower]

DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--

Haha...he said -poop chute-

 

Why would saint autocensor the word mouth?

[Goz]

DUDE GET OVER IT. Did you rip on the last dude that said --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- a few post back? And if I recall --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- he deleted it, no it wasn't to politely. As I said if he wants to ban me for abbr. a few words then so be it, leave that for him to decide and get your head outta my --poop chute--

Haha...he said -poop chute-

 

Why would saint autocensor the word mouth?

to make a funny?

[Damoclese]

Well, my panel arrived. I ran home from work real quick and popped open the box.  It looks great, and I can't wait to get home from work this evening and get it hooked up.  I will let you all know tomorrow how it went.

For what it is worth, and unfortunately it would seem for the majority of posters on this thread I don't think it will be worth much, but since Christian emailed me a week or two ago I have had no problems getting in contact with him (by email). I have to say that he lived up to his word, and did exactly as he said he would.  

Would I purchase anything more from Christian?  Right now I would definitely not, HOWEVER, that is not to say that in the future I would not.  I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If he is starting a new business where he is the master of his own domain and he sees how his business practices affect his ability to put food on his table, he may have much more interest in public relations.  I would hope that for all of the negative posts that have been made about Christian, if, and when, he does something that is worthy of praise, that he receive it, which is what I am doing now.  Christian told me that he had to pay for this panel out of his own pocket. I really have no reason to doubt that he didn't.  To be real honest I don't care the particulars as to why I got it, I am just glad to have received it.  I have spoken with my attorney who also told me (as Scott from Mameroom has said) that, assuming what Christian says about his role or lack thereof of ownership of the now defunct SlikStik is true, he really doesn't legally owe us anything.  

I don't mean to sound like a big tree-hugging hippy that says "Can't we all just get along?"  I am generally pretty much an A-hole and not much of a forgive and forget kind of guy.   What I am trying to say is that everyone should just back off a half a step.  If Christian is truly a leopard who cannot change his spots, we will hear about it in very short order, I am sure. And if that happens flame away.  Honestly over the last couple of months, it seems that things may be improving.  All the panels ordered from Mameroom (and thus SlikStik) have been arriving promptly by all accounts.  Those of us that have been waiting ages for panels are finally starting to see them trickle in.

I also am saddened to see the flack that Scott from Mameroom is taking for really doing nothing more than A) trying to help out a friend, and B) help out the community.  He was really hanging himself out there financially by promising to make good on a product that he never saw a penny for, and I truly believe that he would have made made good if that situation arose.

My god, after looking back at all this, I don't think I've typed this much since grad school!  

[Tiger-Heli]

Well, my panel arrived. I ran home from work real quick and popped open the box.  It looks great, and I can't wait to get home from work this evening and get it hooked up.  I will let you all know tomorrow how it went.

Glad to hear it!!!

[SQrL]

So how does one get in contact with Christian???!

I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet.  I have emailed and called with no response 

[polaris]

So how does one get in contact with Christian???!

I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet.  I have emailed and called with no response 

for all those asking, this would be the reason this thread should stay active, for one.

[MTwitty]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

 

I've been sitting here reading this in stunned silence since it started, and have just fallen out of my chair laughing harder than I can ever remember laughing before. I think the risk of injury caused by this post entitles, no DEMANDS that I weigh in.

A lot of people have run businesses, some incorporated and many not. I've run a business myself. If Christian ran Slickstick, then Christian = Slikstik. Play semantic games all you want, nothing will ever change that.

Christian will ship product to people Christian wants to ship product to. Nobody or nothing in this thread has any bearing on that. If Fozzy's (well deserved) cynicism supposedly results in Christian defrauding a customer, that's Christian's decision, and his alone. In fact I'd say that if he WERE likely to punish a customer for something someone else said in this thread or elsewhere, it would tend to validate most everything Fozzy and others have been saying about him and his company.

As a relative newcomer to this hobby who has no space for woodworking, I have been saving up to buy a cabinet from Mameroom. But after reading Scott's posts in this thread not just defending Christian personally, but also his reasoning that somehow just because filed paperwork to form Slikstik as an LLC he should somehow be exempt from any responsibility for his actions under that company's name...well, let's just say that I'm putting my purchase plans on hold indefinitely.

Scott, I THINK I understand what you were trying to do, but I have to say that I think you went about it the wrong way. Your strident defense of unethical behavior, and your willingness to rehabilitate Christian's image by acting as a front for his product sales really does have me (and apparently others) questioning your motives here.

But these are just my opinions, and worth exactly what you've paid for them, though.

CheffoJeffo...mind if I pull up a chair and watch with you? I'll bring some more ice and my own beverage...

[CheffoJeffo]

* CheffoJeffo  grabs a spare chair, runs the blender, pours MTwitty a marguerita and is taking requests to be played on the jukebox

[shilmover]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

[MaximRecoil]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.

[shilmover]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.

I know...  Having too many margueritas with CheffoJeffo and Tiger-Heli and wondering where the Kokanee Beer is at...

[saint]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.

Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor

[quarterback]

I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet.  I have emailed and called with no response 

I hope that Christian does the right thing and proves all the naysayers wrong and sends you the panel you paid for.   But if you don't ever get your panel, just keep in mind what Scott Glazer of Mameroom.com has said over and over and over again because at that point you'll have to admit that 'he told you so': 

If you don't get your panel, it was because "MANY members here [who] NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik ruin[ed] it for [you]" click for Scott's full quote

If you don't get your panel, it was because "The continuing flamewar... ensure[d] that [you did] not [get your panel]" click for Scott's full quote

If you don't get your panel, it was because "as a result of a continued tirade [you lost]" click for Scott's full quote

If you don't get your panel, it was because "the only thing people of this forum [did was to end up] screwing people" click for Scott's full quote

If you don't get your panel, it was because "comments from people in this forum prevent[ed it] from happening" click for Scott's full quote

If you don't get your panel, it was because "[posters in this thread were] screwing [you] just as much as SS" click for Scott's full quote

[CheffoJeffo]

* CheffoJeffo raises a glass to saint, master of the great BYOAC autocensor

[MaximRecoil]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.

Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor

That was your joke then? I thought the humor seemed a bit out of place.

It was about the funniest thing I've read in a while.

[saint]

It will be here --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- according to UPS, 50lb package from NJ.

tomorrow - 8 letters
the day after today - 16 letters

hmm...  Funny thing is that my 7 year old asked me how tomorrow is shorter than 'the day after today'.   

I would hope that he was being facetious when he posted that. In any event, it was pretty damn funny.

Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor

That was your joke then? I thought the humor seemed a bit out of place.

It was about the funniest thing I've read in a while.

I admit nothing.

[Sir Auros]

Since Scott's no longer replying, could we at least cut him a break? I certainly don't think any less of him for abandoning the thread, and rubbing his nose in it isn't going to help.

[DKing]

Right now, there are 48 guests and 56 users on the forum. At a very unscientific rough guess from that, we probably have about 50% lurkers on the forum who have been here for an unknown length of time. At some point, something will motivate them to respond and they register.

 Well that's why I finally registered... I know some wont listen (or care) and will just continue but whatever.

 I just have to say there's a very vocal minority, CheffoJeffo in particular, who are adding absolutely nothing to this thread.   I mean seriously what value are the emote responses adding? This thread has done it's job. I came across it because I was finally going to buy a SS cabinet and control panel after years of putting it off. But then I stumbled on this thread back in November or so and decided I wouldn't order at that time due to all the issues people were having with SS.  Since that time I have been reading it off and on since to try and see what the situation was and if it improved or not because I still do want a panel I'd just rather buy one than build it.

 If I were a moderator, and if it wasn't for that fact that some people have now appeared to be getting their control panels and are reporting it here, I'd just lock this thread. I don't really see the point of the continued crusade. People have more than enough information to make up their own mind.

 Oh, and Scott, if I were you I wouldn't even bother posting on this thread anymore.  I think anyone with a brain can see what you were trying to do. Others seem to be finding conspiracy theories out of nothing. "oh nos 2 LLCs they must be the same omg!"

[FrizzleFried]

Hint - if it's surrounded by -- marks it might be the autocensor

 

 

[TPB]

So how does one get in contact with Christian???!

I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet.  I have emailed and called with no response 

What excuses would Christian use for not shipping this one - a blank panel ??

He can't use his old favourites :

** Trackballs shortage at Happs.   

** Printing problem with overlays provided my Mamemarquees.   

** Dodgy batch of I-PAC's received from Ultimarc.   

These are good people who are trying to do the right thing by everyone.

Err ...

Like Christian's noble deeds of smearing the reputation of Happs, Mamemarquees, Ultimarc, etc., in a lame effort to deflect attention from the failings of his own company ??

 

[Game-boi]

Guys, I finally joined this forum for one reason:

http://newjersey.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=89&bbb=0221&firm=24003804

[TPB]

im jus sayin dont say your getting scammed and not getting anything for your $$

Unfortunately, you really don't have a clue here - you know why the overlays aren't being shipped? Because SlikStik isn't paying the supplier! They owe me quite a bit of money as well for ads, and after a year of waiting, I sent them to a collection agency -- they promised the agency they would pay, then Christian promptly disconnected his cell phone and got a new number.

There's no way this is an ethical business practice, and unless a miracle happens I'm afraid things are only going to get worse...

Kev ... did you end up receiving payment for this advertising ??   

Yet ANOTHER reason why this thread is crucial.

[Mega24]

My story: I wanted to buy/build a Mame cabinet for my home here in Singapore. Not knowing anything about woodworking or electronics, etc I did a lot of research to figure out what was the best option for me. During my research, I saw a picture of a SlikStik controller that I thought was awesome. Googled the website and saw all the cool stuff and figured why dont I just buy a complete rig from them and have it shipped. I checked the prices and started to shop around for something cheaper just to ensure I got the best deal. Then I saw something about Mameroom and went to their website and it was much cheaper. So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. Then I read further and saw Scott's comments and decided to call SlikStik and get their side. I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff. He was very straightforward and honest with me, which I appreciated. Still, he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment. I then called Scott at Mameroom and spoke to him for a long time (also a very honest, straightforward guy). I then decided to post here to explain what I had found and to express my concern that people are posting and potentially harming people that do not deserve it.

Then I get accused by the "grassy knoll" folks that I am Christian (my name is Joe)...who is also accused of Being Scott...or is it Scott that is accused of being Christian? Or Big Foot?

Some of the posters here do not want to hear anything that challenges their paradigm: Christian is SlikStik...He is a liar...he is robbing people...Scott is colluding with him to rob people...dont trust anyone...etc.

Very frustrating. 

[FrizzleFried]

I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight. 

...and congratulations on your buying decision.

[TPB]

So I was looking for reviews on SlikStik vs Mameroom and found this thread. I was initially relieved that I hadn't sent any money to SlikStik since it was clear that they were ripping people off. ...

he is in a difficult situation right now trying to clean up the mess left by SlikStik, so I decided I would rather do business with Mameroom since they are more stable at the moment.

So you've benefited from reading this thread, right ??   

You've gained the knowledge that it's safer to steer clear of SlikStik, and order with Mameroom instead.

How about a little gratitude towards Fozzy, FrizzleFried, and the rest of the guys who've given their time for free, to post in this thread and give you the full picture about SlikStik ??   

If it wasn't for this thread, you'd be screwed, waiting at the end of a long line of customers dudded of their cash by SlikStik.

A little gratitude wouldn't go astray.


As for Christian bearing no responsibility for the functioning of SlikStik's business operations, I'm sorry, but that's an incredibly naive point of view.   

... but we'll let it pass, given you're a newbie.  If you had been viewing Christian's posts in these forums over the years, you would know otherwise.   

I spoke to Christian (Chris) for over an hour about all kinds of stuff.

Did he chat with you about the weather, how Singapore's his favourite travel destination, what a great time he had shopping on Orchard Road, etc ??

Be careful, he has a legendary reputation of being a smooth talker.   

I don't think anyone here truly believes Scott is "colluding" with anyone to "rob" anyone...lets get that straight. 

Absolutely not.

Scott maintains a well-earned reputation as an honest broker.   

Scott sidetracked the discussion his way, through his new business relationship with Christian, and his strident (and at times aggressive) defence of him in this thread.

But even then, no-one suggested Scott was up to anything untoward.

The question was simply regarding the "nature and depth" of Scott's new business relationship with Christian.

Given Christian's woeful track record, customers have a right to know if he has any "fingers in the pie" of the orders they place with other companies.

Christian is the man producing the panels for Mameroom (whose orders are shipped from SlikStik's address in Nutley, NJ), so one has to wonder whether ordering panels from Mameroom will be a reliable and risk-free option in the long term.  Christian will CONTINUE to be a cog in the works, despite Scott's best intentions.

However, Scott has given his word that he'll personally complete any panels (if ordered through Mameroom) that Christian fails to produce, which is a good thing.


Unless Scott has anything else to add, the discussion has now returned to the original issues, which remain relevant as ever, being :

** SlikStik's non-fulfillment of orders, for which payment has been received "long ago".

** SlikStik's non-payment of other debts ... such as the advertising revenue they've failed to pay Kev Steele, for ad's that appeared in Retroblast.

** Christian's level of involvement in all of this ... subject to debate.

** Legal investigations (by government authorities) that continue into SlikStik, and the people behind it ...

... such as the investigation by the Attorneys General, and the BBB :

Guys, I finally joined this forum for one reason:

http://newjersey.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=89&bbb=0221&firm=24003804

[Singapura]

First off all, nice to see another arcade fan from Singapore on the board. Welcome and don't let the harsh talk drive you away  Second, I've been following this thread since day one and I've known Slikstik (but not the owner) longer then I knew of this board. Third, I've worked for six years in the default recovery of a large bank and have seen my share of businesses going under. Next to a law degree I have an MBA so I can say I know a bit of what I'm talking about.

The pattern is (almost) always the same. The owner is most of the time a dedicated hobbyist who decides to make his hobby his work. A good hobbyist doesn't always make a good businessperson and there's a lot more to running an arcade-parts business then to make a few panels and boards for fellow enthusiasts. Even or I should say especially when business goes well, at one point in time there will be bottlenecks. These can be in production or in finance or in supply or a lot of other factors but if they are not solved quickly they will disrupt the production flow causing delays in delivery, angry customers and a spiral from which it is very difficult to get out. This is the economic side of the Slik Stik story as I see it.

Chris, who as far as I know is the main proprietor of Slik Stik first tried to cover the disruption in production with excuses. Supplies were late, transportation was slow, whatever he could come up with. In itself this is inexcusable but I've seen other business owners do the same (even boards of large corporations lie through their teeth if it means saving the company. Just read "Smartest guys in the room" and you'll know what I'm talking about). Because Slik Stik is working in a very small niche market with a closely knit community, the stupidest thing he could do was lie to his customers. If he would have been honest he might even have been bailed out by the same community that now looks like  . Off course it's naive to say that Chris and Slik Stik are separate entities. Legally they might be but in practice the company is the management and the workers, in the Slik Stik case one and the same. I haven't talked to Chris, I don't know the guy but I can understand his motives, no matter how wrong. I hope he learns that ignoring angry customers doesn't make them go away.

I'm glad I wasn't in the ordering phase yet because just as Mega24, I was about to order from Mameroom.

Scott seems like a decent guy but also a guy who saw the opportunity to earn a quick buck. Although he didn't formally buy Slik Stik, for all intends and purposes he took over the business and will probably be rewarded with a proper ownership after he has cleaned Chris's mess. To do so he must save the Slik Stik name which means also saving Chris' name. No choice, he has to stick up for Slik Stik (no pun intended  ) If I were Scott, I would distance myself from this thread for a while and concentrate on business because by the clumsy way he's defending the case he's losing it. The most important issue i.m.h.o. is now to make all angry customers happy by delivering the goods or making good in other ways. If I were Chris I would own up and openly and transparently tell what happened and how you're going to solve things. I'm afraid that this mess will not go away if he keeps ignoring it. If he can do that, it's up to his customers to decide what to do. If he's unwilling to do that then he deserves all that is coming to him (in a strictly legal sense off course).