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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2007, 12:57:40 pm »
Just remember.... you can make your life miserable and obsessed with energy conservation and recycling... and the net effect is zero.

India and China are rapidly becoming modern nations and those guys are gonna suck resources down like we taught them to.

Enjoy life, leave the lights on.

but some of us have children that we care about so we dont want to act like you

Didn't you get the memo? The world does in fact revolve around pinballjim. ;)

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2007, 01:09:37 pm »
Nope, it apparently revolves around Polaris's children.

Sorry, jack, I ain't gonna inconvenience myself so your rugrats will have an average temperature 0.01 degrees celsius lower than it would have been naturally.


just the one child, and yes moron i do love her enough to want for her not to suffer because of selfish ---punks--- like you.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2007, 01:22:37 pm »
one child, and yes moron i do love her enough to want for her not to suffer because of selfish ---punks--- like you.

How are your motivations not selfish?


to point out your obvious lack of  understanding of the English language 'selfish' deriving from self, im talking about my daughter thats not me(my self) someone else .get it.
and youll find you're misunderstanding my point anyway, parents will initially use this argument particularly with other parents who use the phrase we'll all be dead by then, saying in response 'but your kids may not be' . see its a way of tying that person into the time when the health of the planet will affect the inhabitants of it. i want the planet to be healthy for everyone not just the pocket of air around my daughter. how does what you argue make any sense, yes i want a healthy planet for my daughter so she can enjoy her life with everyone else's children. you've described yourself as selfish , dont try and make me out to be selfish with idiotic arguments.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2007, 01:37:58 pm »
Does anyone else think that pinballjim is just HowardC's alternate identity for discussing non-gaming issues??? ;D

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2007, 01:42:09 pm »
thats right im selfish ,becuse i want the world to be better for everyone.
whereas youre not selfish, you only care about yourself.
and just because you cant work it out, my daughters children will be around in 100 years as will others , i very selfishly, would like people to think of the whole future population and the effect our lives have on them.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2007, 01:42:52 pm »
Does anyone else think that pinballjim is just HowardC's alternate identity for discussing non-gaming issues??? ;D
not wishing to be too rude, i just think hes not very clever
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2007, 01:45:42 pm »

There are a lot of people who have trouble seeing far enough outside of themselves to be able to do something positive for reasons other than their own sense of accomplishment.  I've heard that quite a bit...

...the whole "well, even if I feed the hungry, it's still selfish as I'm doing it to make myself feel good about feeding the hungry, not doing it to actually feed the hungry" concept.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2007, 02:03:01 pm »


Polaris wants us to forgo all modern conveniences and disrupt our daily lives just because it -might- make a difference in the weather in 100 years. 

when did i say this?
dont assume mate ,it makes an ass out of u and me.  :laugh2: particularly you.

and you really dont understand what the word selfish means, just because i may be involved with the statement does not make me selfish within that statement.
example, i would like to give all my money away
by your logic the 'i' in that sentence is selfish because they include themselves(i) in the sentence, regardless that the act described is selfless.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2007, 02:10:39 pm »
Tell you what.  Ride your bike over to my place, and you can wash all my clothes by hand.


well ya got me dude, i dont think i can reach the intellectual summit of your argument
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2007, 02:19:20 pm »

I think if many people wanted to be truly green they'd not have kids.  Too many idiots out there, multiplying faster than the reasonable people.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2007, 02:26:20 pm »

I think most of us would draw the line at pinballjim's dirty underpants.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2007, 02:33:52 pm »
Oh, so wait, you have a line of personal inconvenience that you're unwilling to cross?  Well, golly gee, so much for being committed to your daughter's future.


what are you talking about?
you came out with some trite nonsense about me doing your washing, so i was making fun of you by saying i wasnt clever enough to understand you. but unfortunately you lack the ability to see the irony in the post ,which was glaringly obvious.

chad yes i totally agree, i have one child and am torn as to wether it is right for me to have more, as you say in a world where many are so casual about it maybe it is my place to say that i should have no more. it would be reasonable to suggest that in a world with a stable population a couple should bear 2 children on average to sustain the population, as im sure youre aware though its gaining rapidly so population control is needed ,but for example as in china where it has been tried it is very unpopular and hellish to enforce

EDIT lazy typing sorry.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2007, 02:35:01 pm »

I think most of us would draw the line at pinballjim's dirty underpants.
my line is drawn well before that ;)
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2007, 02:38:18 pm »
The problem with reproduction enforcement like China is that the only one they can really punish is the child - which they did - and which is totally unfair to a child that committed no crime.

Basically, if we could prevent the stupid people from increasing their ranks, most issues would be solved by the natural tendency of the remaining people.  The herd has become too slow and stupid to be self sustaining.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2007, 02:55:40 pm »
The problem with reproduction enforcement like China is that the only one they can really punish is the child - which they did - and which is totally unfair to a child that committed no crime.

yep indeed, they did punish the parents but it ultimately led to the children being more affected than anything


Basically, if we could prevent the stupid people from increasing their ranks, most issues would be solved by the natural tendency of the remaining people.  The herd has become too slow and stupid to be self sustaining.
cant agree more, and of course the balloning nature of this, its not 2 making 2, its 2 making 8,then so on . sorry to sound a snob but it is the lower end of society that is becoming the larger proprtion, which is economically unsustainable
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2007, 04:12:40 pm »
sorry to sound a snob but it is the lower end of society that is becoming the larger proprtion, which is economically unsustainable

A while back, in a thread somewhere around here, I suggested sterilizing the lower classes.

It didn't go over well.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2007, 05:32:27 pm »
Oh wow.... not only are you an idiot, you're an elitist idiot that considers yourself to be on the top end of the gene pool.

i feel elitist when talking to people like yourself but again you make assumptions about me, that the lower classes in western society are growing disproportionately is fact, not my opinion.

and call me an idiot all you want, its you who cant make any valid points or understand the meaning of basic words like selfish for example

sorry to sound a snob but it is the lower end of society that is becoming the larger proprtion, which is economically unsustainable

A while back, in a thread somewhere around here, I suggested sterilizing the lower classes.

It didn't go over well.
it is something that comes across as ethnic cleansing, whereas it has very strongly debatable points that are valid, im not sure i advocate it personally or want to get into it here, too much typing to be fun
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2007, 05:42:09 pm »
Well, some getting in a snit over this.  Kinda following Chad, I think everyone is selfish. It's the level from which the directive is issued that is key.


but hang it. i will! youve spurred me on!  Excellent danny!


PBJ: I think it's very likely your...okay, well, maybe not yours if they aren't healthy...but many peoples children, currently under say 15, may live to 100 or so. I plan on being around for at least a few centuries. But I think the endeavor is worth it, regardless.

Ed: hah! As have I with similar experience.

As curmudgeon (as well as I have) said, it's a matter of balance. Each person has to find that balance relative to their experience. The important part is that they try.
Another thing to consider is what you eat. People act like organic is this unnatural thing...well, that's cos it hasn't been the norm for several decades. But it's coming back around. Health in general is a factor in conservation. It's a part of that balance.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2007, 06:04:10 pm »

Another thing to consider is what you eat. People act like organic is this unnatural thing...well, that's cos it hasn't been the norm for several decades. But it's coming back around. Health in general is a factor in conservation. It's a part of that balance.
is this the case in the us is it?, in the uk organic food is a huge thing, its more costly and purchased by those who can afford it ,generally the higher social classes who are generally more concerned with their health.

obviously i say that at the risk of sounding elitist ,but some around here are unaware that i studied dietetics and human nutrition so have a good understanding of how a persons social class can affect their behaviour
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2007, 06:15:20 pm »
I plan on being around for at least a few centuries.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2007, 06:55:14 pm »
I plan on being around for at least a few centuries.

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polaris: organic/naturally-raised/less processed is more affordable than that here, actually. But there's still a stigma about it. It's still a buzzword.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2007, 07:15:22 pm »

polaris: organic/naturally-raised/less processed is more affordable than that here, actually. But there's still a stigma about it. It's still a buzzword.
from what i understand food is cheaper generally in the us due to your capacity for farming so it makes sense organic food is more affordable, in the uk if you get me its a niche product youre paying a premium for.
im surprised it has a stigma as you say as i percieve americans as having a vaster knowledge on health issues generally than the brits.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2007, 08:20:19 pm »
Organic, orschmanic.

I want irradiated, bio-engineered food that makes it cheaper for me to eat strawberries in February.

Oh, and if a few less people die from e. coli in the deal, even better.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2007, 08:32:26 pm »
I don't eat fruit often. BUT, still tis not necessary to make it inexpensive.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2007, 08:49:01 pm »
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2007, 09:25:04 pm »

Oh, and if a few less people die from e. coli in the deal, even better.
pesticides dont kill bacteria and e coli poisoning would be down to a person not washing after using the toilet as it comes from animals digestive systems.

I don't eat fruit often. BUT, still tis not necessary to make it inexpensive.
do you mean its not the price that stops you eating fruit, in the uk the price of organic food is prohibitive to many.
and if you plan to be here for centuries , you should eat fruit
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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2007, 10:07:40 pm »

Oh, and if a few less people die from e. coli in the deal, even better.

pesticides dont kill bacteria and e coli poisoning would be down to a person not washing after using the toilet as it comes from animals digestive systems.


Who said anything about pesticides?  I'm talking about irradation in my example.

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« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2007, 02:32:19 am »
Radiation denatures the food. I don't even use a microwave anymore, even for water. There are those who thing water is a 'crystaline' structure, that can be ordered and disordered. Actually, there's bonafide research, recently, that implies why homeopathic solutions work - ever after being completely strained of the herbal, etc, material - due to zero point energy resonances.

polaris: I'm a protein type. That means I'm a fast oxidizer. Sugars of any kind give me a jolt, so I don't have much in any particular way. That's not surprising you'd say that about fruit, though. Familiar with that view.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2007, 05:15:55 am »
it pains me that i live in a unit and cant compost. when i lived in my house with my sister we would compost all food scraps and recycle. it got that really we needed the recycle picked up weekly and the regular garbage once a fortnight or less...

Sure you can.  Get a small container and store it under your sink.  Better yet, add a colony of red worms to it.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2007, 05:16:33 am »
Tell you what.  Ride your bike over to my place, and you can wash all my clothes by hand.



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« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2007, 05:51:04 am »
Radiation denatures the food. I don't even use a microwave anymore, even for water. There are those who thing water is a 'crystaline' structure, that can be ordered and disordered. Actually, there's bonafide research, recently, that implies why homeopathic solutions work - ever after being completely strained of the herbal, etc, material - due to zero point energy resonances.

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The Food and Drug Administration has approved irradiation of meat and poultry and allows its use for a variety of other foods, including fresh fruits and vegetables, and spices. The agency determined that the process is safe and effective in decreasing or eliminating harmful bacteria. Irradiation als
o reduces spoilage bacteria, insects and parasites, and in certain fruits and vegetables it inhibits sprouting and delays ripening. For example, irradiated strawberries stay unspoiled up to three weeks, versus three to five days for untreated berries.

Food irradiation is allowed in nearly 40 countries and is endorsed by the World Health Organization, the American Medical Association and many other organizations.

Irradiation does not make foods radioactive, just as an airport luggage scanner does not make luggage radioactive. Nor does it cause harmful chemical changes. The process may cause a small loss of nutrients but no more so than with other processing methods such as cooking, canning, or heat pasteurization. Federal rules require irradiated foods to be labeled as such to distinguish them from non-irradiated foods.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2007, 06:59:59 am »
I plan on being around for at least a few centuries.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #72 on: May 16, 2007, 07:54:09 am »
Radiation denatures the food.

Microwaves fall into the radio portion of the spectrum.  It is non-ionising and thus leaves no lingering effect on the food.  Most credible studies state that a microwave does not remove any more nutrients than other methods and removes less than many methods (e.g. boiling).

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #73 on: May 16, 2007, 09:02:08 am »

Who said anything about pesticides?  I'm talking about irradation in my example.

Hello?  McFly?  Beuller?  Is this thing on?

im hearing you, its just that youre not making sense, irradiation wont stop e coli poisoning either, and i find it bizarre you crave the less healthy alternative

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #74 on: May 16, 2007, 09:19:36 am »
polaris: I'm a protein type. That means I'm a fast oxidizer. Sugars of any kind give me a jolt, so I don't have much in any particular way. That's not surprising you'd say that about fruit, though. Familiar with that view.
hmm, not sure what you mean by fast oxidiser and protein type, but i would say to you,
protein is needed in small amounts by the body and therefore from the diet, say 100g of meat is more than enough for a day, and if by sugars you include carbohydrates , you need to change your diet completely as i would say its shortening your life more than anything, and again friut yes, try to eat 2-3 pieces a day
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2007, 11:26:53 am »
it pains me that i live in a unit and cant compost. when i lived in my house with my sister we would compost all food scraps and recycle. it got that really we needed the recycle picked up weekly and the regular garbage once a fortnight or less...

Sure you can.  Get a small container and store it under your sink.  Better yet, add a colony of red worms to it.

http://www.cityfarmer.org/wormcomp61.html

Nothing like a keeping a cesspool right in your kitchen.  :applaud:

yep. i live with a chick. it just aint gonna happen. besides, what do i do with the compost? i aint got no garden!

Vegetation isn't a cesspool.  That's what goes in this.

You can grow your weed in it.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2007, 11:53:01 am »

We tried it in the yard and it attracted way too many animals, digging everything up and making a huge mess.  Ended up only composting yard waste.

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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2007, 01:07:13 pm »
I see Mr. I Don't Know How to Use Irony is still polluting this thread.

"irradiation wont stop e coli poisoning either"

BZZZZT!  Wrong!

id be interested to know why you think im wrong here and with what qualifications you make the claim?


How much other wrong information are you going to spew?  So far we've had bad advice, self-serving revisionism, advocation of genocide, and ignorance stated as fact.

i havent advocated genocide and i find your accusation offensive, cheers.
im not sure of much advice ive given here at all but id again like to see what you perceive as bad advice and at no point have i stated im ignorant, and self serving , we've talked of your confusion with the word selfish before.

and that i cant see irony from you, i just find funny.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2007, 01:14:53 pm »
Jesus told me in a dream last night that he doesn't care for this thread.
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Re: How 'green' are you?
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2007, 01:21:26 pm »
Jesus told me in a dream last night that he doesn't care for this thread.
shouldnt he be out walking on water or whatever it is he does ;)
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