Somebody dimensioned their star wars cockpit

[ChadTower]

That one has the 25" amplifone... niiiiiice.

[rovingmind]

So who's getting the pics and posting them here?

Modessit is doing a resto on one and hes going to post them in a new forum and link from here when he has them ready.

[rovingmind]

Here's a cockpit on ebay. The seller in Longmont, Colorado (not me) says he has "lots of high resolution pictures I can send upon request"

and did you request?

[modessitt]

Well, it looks like my estimated posting of pics will be delayed until after this weekend.  I'm hoping to take some pics while it's all together Thursday and then get up there to take it apart and take more pics Sat or Sun (and get it back together before the boss gets in Monday).  Then it will just be a matter of adding measurements to the pics and getting them posted.

Unfortunately, this will not be a restore, but a repair.  The customer is not interested in the cosmetics, only that it works perfectly.  It's not ugly, but anyone else would probably take the time to fix the minor issues.

Been trying to think of a way to talk the boss into letting me bring it home and "work" on it here.  Then I could get the pics done in no time!

Finished the two Lunar Landers today (they look and play great!) so will have some room now.

BTW... here is the pic I took of it the other day in our messy and crowded shop.  It's a little blurry because I was in a hurry and didn't want the boss to see and ask why I was taking a picture of it:

[rovingmind]

Hooray 

[melarky]

I've been collecting parts for a star wars upright (waiting to find one I can measure or find plans from someone else on these boards).  I have the plastic bezel and the metal control panel for the upright, but it sounds like the bezel is different for these cockpits.  Is the metal control panel the same though?

I will probably still wait to make an upright (don't think I could fit another cockpit), but if these plans get done first (which it looks like they will) I may change my mind and I wonder what parts I have that will need to be re-bought/re-found...

[HoopstarsGarage]

Is the metal control panel the same though?

The Control Panel IS different between the upright and the cockpit versions.  Firstly the upright version has tighter angles bent into it (meaning it can't easily be modified to fit the cockpit) and secondly the graphic overlay on the upright is different to the cockpit - not a big deal but a difference none the less and not yet been repro'd.. 
The fact that only about 2500 cockpit versions were made means that when one is parted out, the unique parts like the control panel fetch stupid prices.. 

It is also these unique parts (control panel, bezel, canopy and canopy joiners, vents, speaker grilles, marquee retainers etc) that would make scratch building a cockpit an expensive exercise.  The bottom line is you are either going to build a replica which is going to cost a LOT of money - possible as much (or at least close to) the real deal or something that "approximates" a cockpit version.

My opinion is that I would rather build an upright which is going to be cheaper and look MUCH better than a half-assed cockpit version..   



Hoops

[NickS]

I think there is a difference but you are still able to fit a UR panel and bezel into a cockpit. Of course a scratch built cokpit could even be customed to allow this.

A friend of mine has said he was able to use an upright cp on a cockpit he is restoring. I also found a link on RGVAC regarding this http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.video.arcade.collecting/browse_thread/thread/69336418a4f4dd64/f7224b5b5ae8e08f?lnk=gst&q=star+wars+cockpit&rnum=18#f7224b5b5ae8e08f

[ChadTower]

A CP is just simple sheet metal.  New ones could be fabricated without tons of effort.

[rovingmind]

The Control Panel IS different between the upright and the cockpit versions.  Firstly the upright version has tighter angles bent into it (meaning it can't easily be modified to fit the cockpit) and secondly the graphic overlay on the upright is different to the cockpit - not a big deal but a difference none the less and not yet been repro'd.. 

This is good to know.  I don't know which machine my control panel came off of.  Do you know the angle they were bent at?  If its just a matter of angle i could use mine for the outline and have one bent to the right angle.

Maybe Modessit if he has time can get a photo of the cpo? (only if he has to take the controller apart as part of the repair, not asking him to dismantle it if it doesn't need it)

It is also these unique parts (control panel, bezel, canopy and canopy joiners, vents, speaker grilles, marquee retainers etc) that would make scratch building a cockpit an expensive exercise.  The bottom line is you are either going to build a replica which is going to cost a LOT of money - possible as much (or at least close to) the real deal or something that "approximates" a cockpit version.

Those are very good points for anybody trying to recreate a cabinet.  With the bezel/control panel out of the way, could you provide more info on the canopy joiners?  The canopy i have ideas on recreating.  It has been successfully reproduced in the past.  The vents and speaker grilles i would have no qualms about substituting something else.  I'm going to be using volfenhag automotive speakers in there anyway.  Rectangular cieling grills are what i'm looking at using to cover them.  Wouldn't the marquee retainers be part of the cabinetry and inset  like a picture frame? 

In the end my cabinet will be an approximation/knock off.  All i can hope to accomplish is to get the cabinet itself to match the original.  In the process put dimensioned plans out there for anybody who wants them

My opinion is that I would rather build an upright which is going to be cheaper and look MUCH better than a half-assed cockpit version..   



Hoops

Good on ya, I would also.  Thats why I am not mocking one up from snapshot photos.  Any reference material/ photos/ or accurate dimensions you can help provide would be very appreciated.

[rovingmind]

A CP is just simple sheet metal.  New ones could be fabricated without tons of effort.

You are quite correct.  If we know the proper angle a bending die could be made from FRP and used in a standard 2ton shop press.  that would give it the slight curve instead of a crease.  A plasma cutter would do the outside angles and the center cutout, a simple jig could be made for that.  The other part is a piano hinge.

[polaris]

cockpit
thought id pop this one in here for the sake of it.
4 grand, no pics, 0 feedback.
anyone?

[Havok]

cockpit
thought id pop this one in here for the sake of it.
4 grand, no pics, 0 feedback.
anyone?

Holy crap! 4000 pounds, that's 7,950 US dollars! That thing better come with a chick that looks like Carrie Fisher (not the original - she has really let herslf go) in the slave girl outfit for that price!

I would want to hear a "What is thy bidding master" every freakin' morning for that price...

[polaris]

Holy crap! 4000 pounds, that's 7,950 US dollars! That thing better come with a chick that looks like Carrie Fisher (not the original - she has really let herslf go) in the slave girl outfit for that price!

I would want to hear a "What is thy bidding master" every freakin' morning for that price...

i think 4 grand is probably a market price , there'd be a lot less about, i could imagine it being twice the price in the uk compared to the us , everything else is

just a bit mad hes got an opening bid , no pics no feedback.

[ChadTower]

For 8 grand she better be a hell of an upgrade from 1982 Carrie Fisher.

[Dudeman]

Adrianna Lima in the slave girl outfit.

[NickS]

cockpit
thought id pop this one in here for the sake of it.
4 grand, no pics, 0 feedback.
anyone?

That is being sold by the infamous J.T. and the bid is almost certainly not genuine.

J.T. is the Del Boy of the arcade business here in the U.K.. He dresses in gold suits like the lead singer of ABC and talks like a cockney market trader. He is real character but still thinks he is living in 1984. But there again it was a great year.

[SavannahLion]

cockpit
thought id pop this one in here for the sake of it.
4 grand, no pics, 0 feedback.
anyone?

That is being sold by the infamous J.T. and the bid is almost certainly not genuine.

J.T. is the Del Boy of the arcade business here in the U.K.. He dresses in gold suits like the lead singer of ABC talks like a cockney market trader. He is real character but still thinks he is living in 1984. But there again it was a great year.

Is that the guy that's supposed to have every version of a Star Wars cab ever produced then rents them out to parties or some ---Cleveland steamer---? Siphons so much "fame" that he appears on TV and his web looks like it's produced by a U.S. money making scam firm?

[Fozzy The Bear]

cockpit
thought id pop this one in here for the sake of it.
4 grand, no pics, 0 feedback.
anyone?

That is being sold by the infamous J.T. and the bid is almost certainly not genuine.

J.T. is the Del Boy of the arcade business here in the U.K.. He dresses in gold suits like the lead singer of ABC talks like a cockney market trader. He is real character but still thinks he is living in 1984. But there again it was a great year.

Is that the guy that's supposed to have every version of a Star Wars cab ever produced then rents them out to parties or some ---Cleveland steamer---? Siphons so much "fame" that he appears on TV and his web looks like it's produced by a U.S. money making scam firm?

Hey!!! You know him already!!     He's also the guy that sells crappy quality reproduction Star Wars costumes and props at HUGELY inflated prices around the Star Wars conventions and has been banned from three of them in the UK already.  What a 

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Fozzy The Bear]

For 8 grand she better be a hell of an upgrade from 1982 Carrie Fisher.

Hey! Chad... Here's your upgrade model... Her Name's "Christie" in case you want to know.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[ChadTower]

She looks roughly the same level, unless that's a redhead, which is worth bonus points.

[Havok]

Here's my submission for an upgrade, and make sure to check out her gallery - DEFINITELY worth it...

[ChadTower]

Whoa dude NSFW.

[Havok]

Whoa dude NSFW.

What?  She's fully covered... If you can't handle that one, here's something more your speed...



(Star Wars Kid)

[rovingmind]

She looks roughly the same level, unless that's a redhead, which is worth bonus points.

I'd buy that for a dollar

[bleargh]

She looks roughly the same level, unless that's a redhead, which is worth bonus points.

I'd buy that for a dollar

If she's a redhead, its worth more than a dollar...

[polaris]

Hey!!! You know him already!!     He's also the guy that sells crappy quality reproduction Star Wars costumes and props at HUGELY inflated prices around the Star Wars conventions and has been banned from three of them in the UK already.  What a 

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

hows this dude so well known here Foz?

[SavannahLion]

Fozzy, I don't know why, but he reminds me so much of that ---fudgesicle--- Dion Dakis that runs NGF. That's why he sticks in my mind.

It's one of the few times I've rooted for a company instead of the individual. It just irritates me that he ass reams a company, comes out on top, sticks his middle finger up the CEO's ---auto-censored---, then proceeds to brag about it.

But I'm getting waay off topic here.

[Fozzy The Bear]

Fozzy, I don't know why, but he reminds me so much of that ---fudgesicle--- Dion Dakis that runs NGF. That's why he sticks in my mind.

You're not wrong....

He's pretty damned notorious in the UK for gutting and destroying original arcade machines, sticking PC's inside with MAME and then hawking them out to hire on corporate events. If I remember rightly the Mame Devs have allegedly pulled him about it on numerous occasions and he's still at it.

This guy looks and behaves like your worst Game Show Host Nightmare 

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[rovingmind]

She looks roughly the same level, unless that's a redhead, which is worth bonus points.

I'd buy that for a dollar

If she's a redhead, its worth more than a dollar...

its a movie line quote from robocop.   It was on almost every TV that was on screen in the movie.

[Havok]

its a movie line quote from robocop.   It was on almost every TV that was on screen in the movie.

And, in SmashTV - so it's arcade appropriate!

 

[modessitt]

Okay.  Pictures have been taken.  46 pictures to be exact.  Measurements were done.  A lot of measurements.   Took almost 4 hours.  After getting everything transferred to my laptop, it is obvious a few pictures will be to be re-taken.  A couple of art shots came out a bit blurry.  Luckily, I can re-take these without disassembling it.  I have not removed the CP or bezel and taken those pictures of the inside mounting needs.  I will do those later when I actually start the repair.  I am starting to add the measurements to the pictures and hope to have that finished sometime tomorrow (Sunday).  I will start the new post when I have finished modifying the pictures and have both the modified and unmodified pics posted offsite, with images linked to my posts.  Will probably be many posts initially, so be patient.  The new post will be called "FINALLY!  Star Wars Cockpit Measurements".  It will be posted in the "Main" forum, unless it is requested to place it in a differend subject, such as Projects or Woodworking.  There will be a few disclaimers in the beginning, as well as comments with each pic, so read everything to make sure you understand it all.  I will have the machine for another week or so if I need to get any other pics.  Just remember that I can't take this thing completely apart, so some measurements will be approximated as closely as possible. 

I know everyone is getting excited.  I'm kind of tired myself.  But I will get it done.  Just be patient.

[ChadTower]

Take whatever time you need, I just highly appreciate the effort being put in.   

[modessitt]

Pics and posts are up!  Did this thread just die?

[rovingmind]

Pics and posts are up!  Did this thread just die?

Nope, just had a busy weekend.

[rovingmind]

Here's a cockpit on ebay. The seller in Longmont, Colorado (not me) says he has "lots of high resolution pictures I can send upon request"

and did you request?

If anybody else is interested I requested his higher resolution photos.  not willing to photo post them since they aren't mine but i'll zip and email to those interested in this project for reference material

[rovingmind]

Pics are up.  Dimensions are getting taken and posted.

For those worried about it.  The cutt angles of the flat panels for the outside can be calculated based on their position in the cabinet.   Moddesitt does not need to waste time by taking a protractor to them.  Reference photos currently available of the various angles show the panel overlaps.


For those concerened with the radiused edges a proper radius will be given based upon what most closely matches when plotted out full sized, compared to original photos and drawn in with a french curve.  if you don't know what a french curve is don't worry about it. 

[ChadTower]

Awesome.  This project rules.

What intrigues me the most is those beveled overlaid pieces on the sides.

[rovingmind]

heh ROUTER  woot!!!

[ChadTower]

Oh I know that, but there are a lot of measurements to take there, and the inner corners on those bevels just add to the work I'd assume.  Would you do those in four pieces and join them or just bevel out a single piece and chisel out the corners?