Author Topic: Horror FPS bartop (Read 43168 times)

rovingmind · « **Reply #80 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:15:54 pm »

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Mini-ITX-motherboard-VIA-1GHZ-CPU-CARPC-256MB-DDR_W0QQitemZ180105199590QQihZ008QQcategoryZ44943QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this is what i was thinking about

ChadTower · « **Reply #81 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:16:10 pm »

Quote from: rovingmind on April 13, 2007, 02:11:38 pm

no, its gateway

rovingmind · « **Reply #82 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:24:21 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on April 13, 2007, 02:16:10 pm

Quote from: rovingmind on April 13, 2007, 02:11:38 pm
no, its gateway

flex-atx gateway

I know a guy running a computer repair business, He has nothing but problems with those.

Gateway has some wierd deal with microsoft that makes them kinda proprietary like HP used to do with hardware around windows 3.1

ChadTower · « **Reply #83 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:28:26 pm »

So, gateway mini mobo not recommended. Understood.

I have my finger twitching over this one. I have not found yet the reason it's not gone.

rovingmind · « **Reply #84 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:33:01 pm »

OOOOH i'm tempted on that one myself

this is what i would get if money flowed like water
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-0GHz-VIA-C7-Jetway-Mini-ITX-CarPC-Carputer-Server_W0QQitemZ260104651173QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1244QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Quote from: ChadTower on April 13, 2007, 02:28:26 pm

So, gateway mini mobo not recommended. Understood.

I have my finger twitching over this one. I have not found yet the reason it's not gone.

ChadTower · « **Reply #85 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:35:55 pm »

Yeah, couldn't pass that one up. I may need to drop more RAM on that but other than that it should work nicely.

rovingmind · « **Reply #86 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:42:16 pm »

ooh yeah, that should be a sweet bartopper when you get it done

swapping in a great big honking 1gig ram?

ChadTower · « **Reply #87 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:45:46 pm »

Quote from: rovingmind on April 13, 2007, 02:42:16 pm

ooh yeah, that should be a sweet bartopper when you get it done

swapping in a great big honking 1gig ram?

No point in that... now that I look at at the first post at the requirements list, the highest remaining RAM requirement is 256mb. So this could work. It only supports up to 512mb anyway.

ChadTower · « **Reply #88 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:59:48 pm »

Now I need a power supply. I'm going to be drawing a decent amount, I think.

Things drawing on PC power supply:

Motherboard
Trackball lighting
Joystick lighting (if used)
Any CP button lighting TBD
LED controller (if used)

Kaytrim · « **Reply #89 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:30:35 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on April 13, 2007, 02:59:48 pm

Now I need a power supply. I'm going to be drawing a decent amount, I think.

Things drawing on PC power supply:
Motherboard
Trackball lighting
Joystick lighting (if used)
Any CP button lighting TBD
LED controller (if used)

As far as power your main draw will be the motherboard and the hard drive. All your lights are LEDs and they draw in the milliamp range. A 200w power supply should be plenty.

Kaytrim

ChadTower · « **Reply #90 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:35:15 pm »

That's what I was thinking, I just wanted to make sure I had everything accounted for. More than power I need to make sure I have enough 5v and 12v lines to limit how many connectors I have to alter.

rovingmind · « **Reply #91 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:38:09 pm »

other than leds the only other thing you should have to power is the harddrive

Kaytrim · « **Reply #92 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:38:54 pm »

Don't forget the CD Drive. I know you don't want to but you might want that accessible from the side or front of the cab. Just in case your ISO imaging dosen't work out.

Kaytrim

rovingmind · « **Reply #93 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:58:18 pm »

slimline laptop dvd drive maybe? low profile

ChadTower · « **Reply #94 on:** April 14, 2007, 10:14:37 am »

I'll have the whole ISO scheme worked out and tested before I finalize design on the cab, just in case. If I have to put a CD drive in there I have 5-6 of them on a shelf here.

ChadTower · « **Reply #95 on:** April 14, 2007, 12:55:22 pm »

Picked up a 15" and a 17" today... these things are old Multisyncs, though, and they appear to be pretty deep. Maybe I can take advantage of that and use these as deepest case scenario for the measurements. If I make it so these fit with minimal clearance, then any newer tube would be guaranteed to fit in future builds.

ChadTower · « **Reply #96 on:** April 14, 2007, 03:27:06 pm »

The 15" is also 15" deep and you gain almost nothing by decasing it... the chassis is covered in a metal cage that is practically the same form factor as the plastic housing.

It's not immediately apparent if the cage is live or if it's just RF shielding.

If I remove the cage I can probably get it down to about 14-14.25" deep.

The 17" is roughly 17.5" deep with the very elaborate RF shielding in place. If I remove the shielding maybe I can get it down to 16" or so. It appears the neckboard on this one is very small but runs to a PCB that is in the 1" space behind it in the shielding.

Looking at some well formed plans, like these, it would appear that even 17.5" deep is in the acceptable range. If I'm reading those plans right, the area from front of the tube is probably in the 18" range, and this is a big monitor. I assume other 17" monitors would be a bit less deep.

leapinlew · « **Reply #97 on:** April 14, 2007, 04:23:37 pm »

As for your power - don't forget about wall warts. I prefer using those instead of drawing power from the computers PSU.

ChadTower · « **Reply #98 on:** April 14, 2007, 04:25:26 pm »

Don't those take up a whole lot of space inside a bartop? Could you show an example of a good use of those?

leapinlew · « **Reply #99 on:** April 14, 2007, 04:31:23 pm »

The sizes your talking about aren't too bad. 5volt and 12volt wall warts aren't huge. In my bartop I needed to plug in a light fixture, monitor, computer, and speakers. There was room left on the strip for a 12volt wall wart to power my LED's and fans.

While working on my showcase, I was wiring the LED's and I'm not sure what I did wrong or if it was just a coincidence but I think I shorted out the PSU. Since then, I use a dedicated power source for any external DC devices that need power.

ChadTower · « **Reply #100 on:** April 14, 2007, 05:30:36 pm »

Sounds like a great example. Could you post a link to your project thread (if it has one)? I'd like to study it. Thanks!

leapinlew · « **Reply #101 on:** April 14, 2007, 07:19:25 pm »

Here is a link to my project thread:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=60017.0

I wouldn't waste too much time "studying" it. I looked through it and here is the most relevant information I could find.

In this picture you can see an incomplete bartop, but you can see the power strip. I had a few plugs open after plugging in the speakers, marquee light, computer and monitor so I plugged in a 12v wall wart and snipped off the part that plugs into the device.

I plugged those 2 wires into a small terminal block and wired my LED's and fans to the otherside of the terminal block. You can see the terminal block on the top right.

I just started doing this. I have a few previous projects that are wired directly to the computer power supply and they are still doing fine. Since I assume I blew up my previous power supply hooking it up to non-computer related things I just decided this wall wart solution worked better for me.

ChadTower · « **Reply #102 on:** April 14, 2007, 08:21:10 pm »

It's certainly not a bad idea if you have a 12v wall wart around. Most of mine seem to be 9v but I'll have a look, I have a bin of random ones. People show up with bags of random parts and leave them at my house.

ChadTower · « **Reply #103 on:** April 18, 2007, 01:37:35 pm »

Found a great candidate stick here (thanks igboo) at a great price.

Picked up a couple of DOS books off Freecycle so I don't have to bang my head against the wall forever trying to get some of these oldass games to run properly.

rovingmind · « **Reply #104 on:** April 19, 2007, 06:24:07 pm »

found this on ebay, if you wanted to use a slimline cd/dvd drive to take up as little space as possible but still have one.

edit*
removed the link. sorry guys

ChadTower · « **Reply #105 on:** April 19, 2007, 07:25:50 pm »

Thanks, not bad... if it proves to need a CD drive, that is a good option.

psychotech · « **Reply #106 on:** April 19, 2007, 07:59:23 pm »

Just a thought..

If your cab needs a CD drive try to find a slot-in drive. Using one of those it would be almost unnoticeable..

Couldn't find a better example ... but see this link:
http://www.tradera.com/Pioneer_Slot_in_CD_36x_hastighet-auktion-41962153

Psycho.

ChadTower · « **Reply #107 on:** April 19, 2007, 08:04:43 pm »

One without a loading tray. Another good idea if necessary. Thanks!

ChadTower · « **Reply #108 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:08:05 pm »

Trackball has arrived, initial inspection is positive.

Glaine · « **Reply #109 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:51:07 pm »

I would want one, but I can't imagine a better setup for FPS games than a keyboard and gaming mouse. A lot of FPS you need lots of keys to shortcut between guns (I want to push a num and get a gun, not scroll through them with the mouse wheel), use items, strafe, lots of things. And I can't get the same kind of speed and accuracy from a trackball in the ways I need it. For missile command, super - but not for Aliens V Predator 2. Nope. Apparently thats just me though.

Good for you though, if that setup works for you.
And I like that someone's doing it, plenty of newbs used to all the time ask about the best controls for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but not one of them can I recall that came back latter and told us how awesome it worked out.

Just the same, this will be an interesting read.

rovingmind · « **Reply #110 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:58:00 pm »

Quote from: Glaine on April 20, 2007, 05:51:07 pm

I would want one, but I can't imagine a better setup for FPS games than a keyboard and gaming mouse. A lot of FPS you need lots of keys to shortcut between guns (I want to push a num and get a gun, not scroll through them with the mouse wheel), use items, strafe, lots of things. And I can't get the same kind of speed and accuracy from a trackball in the ways I need it. For missile command, super - but not for Aliens V Predator 2. Nope. Apparently thats just me though.

Good for you though, if that setup works for you.
And I like that someone's doing it, plenty of newbs used to all the time ask about the best controls for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but not one of them can I recall that came back latter and told us how awesome it worked out.

Just the same, this will be an interesting read.

There is always the option of having a usb port out the front to plug a hub into. I have a nostromo n50 for just such rounds of gaming and need for keys close at hand.

I plug it in for the games that require that many keys, rest of the time it sits in a desk drawer.

ChadTower · « **Reply #111 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:01:20 pm »

It's a good point, but keep in mind I'm not designing a CP for all FPS games. I'm limiting it to a narrow scope of specific games for just that reason. This isn't a multipurpose cab and I won't be adding games to it once it is done.

rovingmind · « **Reply #112 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:07:36 pm »

did you get your mobo arrive and get tested yet?

ChadTower · « **Reply #113 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:54:48 pm »

Still waiting on the mobo. UPS says it should be here the 25th.

KenToad · « **Reply #114 on:** April 20, 2007, 11:47:01 pm »

Glad to see there is still progress here. I'm going to try playing thief with my Kensington trackball, just to see how I like it.

And hey, Rovingmind, why don't you shorten that link. I have to scroll horizontally on the thread now.

bfauska · « **Reply #115 on:** April 21, 2007, 01:30:12 pm »

Rovingmad,

In case you don't know how (I know I had to research it) you can shorten the link by putting the web address in the first "And put whatever you want the text to be right here]" box like this "[url=http://www.whateveryouarelinkingto.com]And put whatever you want the text to be right here" it is quite handy.

rovingmind · « **Reply #116 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:29:54 pm »

sorry about that, i didn't know about the text shortening

since it was an ebay acution anyway i just removed the link

bfauska · « **Reply #117 on:** April 21, 2007, 11:45:00 pm »

Rovingmad,

No problem, it's not very obvious without research.

Now that I view this thread on my laptop it seems like psychotech's link could use some trimming too. Now I feel like the long link police,

I am such a dick.

psychotech · « **Reply #118 on:** April 22, 2007, 11:27:05 am »

No it wasn't me, it's the guys...

Edited the slot-in link ..but check out the 1st post on this page ...

rovingmind · « **Reply #119 on:** April 23, 2007, 11:26:26 am »

Why not duke nukem 3d atomic?

American McGee's Alice is a great addition also. More dark and gothic than horror but still excellent choice


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