Author Topic: Wells-Gardner 19" SVGA monitors - $75 (Read 11517 times)

Chris · « **on:** April 07, 2003, 07:22:12 pm »

Today I ran into a site advertising Wells-Gardner WGM1891 monitors for $75.00. According to the WG site, this is the 19" D9100 series monitor. They have 19 of them in stock.

From the WG site:

Resolution

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2003, 08:57:45 pm »

thanks for the tip!

said7 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2003, 09:23:01 am »

This monitor better than a regular monitor or TV. Thats an amazing price. I may jump on it.

Would this be better than say a 21 inch trinitron?

AGarv · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2003, 10:41:37 am »

Thanks for the referral, shipping to me was $20 per monitor; I snagged 2 for less than I was planning to pay for one 19" standard res WG!

Chris · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2003, 10:51:34 am »

For those that prefer to stay with regular PC monitors, they also have 31 KDS KVS-21 Pixel Touch 21" monitors for $75 each.

--Chris

rampy · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2003, 10:56:21 am »

Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2003, 10:51:34 am

For those that prefer to stay with regular PC monitors, they also have 31 KDS KVS-21 Pixel Touch 21" monitors for $75 each.

--Chris

FWIW, this is what I have in my cabinet the KDS 21" pixel touch... (although I bought from midwest digital via ebay) I took it out of it's metal case have it mostly fit (the arse end hangs out the back a wee bit) in my smallish taito cabinet that's probably supposed to have a 19" monitor in there =P

I'm pretty happy with it -> it's basically a regular PC monitor in a heavy duty case.

rampy

Chris · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2003, 11:13:39 am »

Quote from: rampy on April 08, 2003, 10:56:21 am

FWIW, this is what I have in my cabinet the KDS 21" pixel touch... (although I bought from midwest digital via ebay) I took it out of it's metal case have it mostly fit (the arse end hangs out the back a wee bit) in my smallish taito cabinet that's probably supposed to have a 19" monitor in there =P

I'm pretty happy with it -> it's basically a regular PC monitor in a heavy duty case.

How long is it front-to-back with the case off? Was it a pain to mount? I would love to have a 21" monitor in my cabinet, but I only have about 17" from the front of the monitor tube to the back wall of the cabinet; the Wells-Gardner is 16.93" front-to-back...

--Chris

rampy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2003, 11:28:21 am »

Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2003, 11:13:39 am

Quote from: rampy on April 08, 2003, 10:56:21 am
FWIW, this is what I have in my cabinet the KDS 21" pixel touch... (although I bought from midwest digital via ebay) I took it out of it's metal case have it mostly fit (the arse end hangs out the back a wee bit) in my smallish taito cabinet that's probably supposed to have a 19" monitor in there =P

I'm pretty happy with it -> it's basically a regular PC monitor in a heavy duty case.
How long is it front-to-back with the case off? Was it a pain to mount? I would love to have a 21" monitor in my cabinet, but I only have about 17" from the front of the monitor tube to the back wall of the cabinet; the Wells-Gardner is 16.93" front-to-back...

--Chris

Those measurements were done on scrap paper that is no longer with us... Taking off the case didn't help with the total "front to back" measurement as the bottom length remained the same (if that makes any sense) It's fairly long - if you find the measurements on the KDS site for that pixeltouch it should be pretty accurate.

I cut a square hole in the back door to allow the rear end of the monitor chassis that extra inch or two it needed... also note mine is mounted in a very flat plane, i.e. I look down on the monitor when playing which helps give extra room.

Regardless, I can try and measure when I get home the front to back but I'm not optimistic. =P

I would think if you have an existing cabinet that takes a 19" arcade monitor, you'd be best off with the wells gardner and wouldn't really miss the 2" at all (plus it will be hellah easier to mount)... and you'll be able to get standard bezels for it (there aren't 21" bezels around you'll have to work something else up - but that isn't an issue for you is it, IIRC)

I only picked up the KDS 21" because I was able to snag it for 50 bucks plus 50 beans shipping --> if this place was selling 19" WG's vga style for 75 beans plus shipping back then, I woulda went with those. I'm still trying to come up with a reason to buy one anyways...

*shrug*

rampy

EDIT some mounting pics

blurry homemade monitor mounts

here's where you can see I miscalculated

me shaving down the board with a hand plane, yuck
it's finally in there using the metal front bracket to support it via gravity/screws/friction

So, maybe it isn't too bad to mount if you aren't wetodded like me. *shrug*

Chris · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2003, 11:31:50 am »

Quote from: rampy on April 08, 2003, 11:28:21 am

I would think if you have an existing cabinet that takes a 19" arcade monitor, you'd be best off with the wells gardner and wouldn't really miss the 2" at all (plus it will be hellah easier to mount)... and you'll be able to get standard bezels for it (there aren't 21" bezels around you'll have to work something else up - but that isn't an issue for you is it, IIRC)

You're probably right on both counts. Yeah, my bezel is homemade but I was thinking about buying the Happ's bezel if I get the new monitor. Now that there's a Happ's in South Carolina I can drive down there to pick it up (I seem to recall that their shipping charge for bezels was insane...)

--Chris

Chris · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:07:38 pm »

Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2003, 10:51:34 am

For those that prefer to stay with regular PC monitors, they also have 31 KDS KVS-21 Pixel Touch 21" monitors for $75 each.

Hmm... near as I can tell, this is a touch-screen monitor! This is just screaming to be put into a dedicated jukebox... hmm....

AGarv · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:08:23 pm »

Quote from: rampy on April 08, 2003, 10:56:21 am

Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2003, 10:51:34 am
For those that prefer to stay with regular PC monitors, they also have 31 KDS KVS-21 Pixel Touch 21" monitors for $75 each.

--Chris
FWIW, this is what I have in my cabinet the KDS 21" pixel touch... (although I bought from midwest digital via ebay) I took it out of it's metal case have it mostly fit (the arse end hangs out the back a wee bit) in my smallish taito cabinet that's probably supposed to have a 19" monitor in there =P

I'm pretty happy with it -> it's basically a regular PC monitor in a heavy duty case.

rampy

---------------
Rampy, is there a touchscreen built into the KDS monitor? If so can this double as a standard mouse?

MameFan · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:21:11 pm »

Re the KDS..

Read carefully and ask them questions. Remember the lot of them from Midwest Digital on eBay last summer? They were all stripped of their touch screen, so it was just the bare hitachi tube/chassis/frame included. (Plus extra burnin thrown in free of charge, but I wont go down that path..read the old posts regarding my hassle on that 21" kds from MD)

Dont assume it includes the touch screen unless they specifically say it is.

Chris · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:21:24 pm »

KDS PixelTouch's web site is at http://www.pixeltouch.com/ ; they don't seem to be the same company as the regular KDS. I can't find the MVS-21 on their site, though....

--Chris

rampy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:25:12 pm »

Quote from: AGarv on April 08, 2003, 12:08:23 pm

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Rampy, is there a touchscreen built into the KDS monitor? If so can this double as a standard mouse?

there used to be, but the seller/salvager who got these from some tradeshow/info kiosks stripped off the touchscreen part. A "new" KDS pixeltouch that was intact *should* have a touchscreen though ( It didn't apply to me, so I neglected that feature, sorry)

http://www.sze.net/pixel/SpecSheets/CRT/kiosk-21.htm slightly different model number, but this is what the monitor I bought looked like, except it didn't have the black touch screen apparatus attached... It's heavy as sin...

If the touchscreens are intact - they would be cool for other purposes I guess...

old byoac buy/sell/trade thread on the kds's and another one you'll have to sift through the flames and the discussion about the issues mamefan (edit speak of the devil!) had with the other seller (midwest digital)... but there's some info there I guess...

*shrug*

good luck!

rampy

Chris · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:27:09 pm »

Quote from: MameFan on April 08, 2003, 12:21:11 pm

Re the KDS..

Read carefully and ask them questions. Remember the lot of them from Midwest Digital on eBay last summer? They were all stripped of their touch screen, so it was just the bare hitachi tube/chassis/frame included. (Plus extra burnin thrown in free of charge, but I wont go down that path..read the old posts regarding my hassle on that 21" kds from MD)

Dont assume it includes the touch screen unless they specifically say it is.

Excellent point, MameFan. I have an E-mail out to the seller asking the condition of the monitors. Personally I'll probably stick with the WG...

--Chris

Chris · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2003, 12:40:10 pm »

Quote from: rampy on April 08, 2003, 12:25:12 pm

old byoac buy/sell/trade thread on the kds's and another one you'll have to sift through the flames and the discussion about the issues mamefan (edit speak of the devil!) had with the other seller (midwest digital)... but there's some info there I guess...

Yow... I remember that thread now... I remember being so bummed that I had missed out on the auction....

All things considered I'll probably stick with the WG.

Thanks for the info!

--Chris

Chris · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2003, 02:38:14 pm »

Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2003, 12:27:09 pm

I have an E-mail out to the seller asking the condition of the monitors. Personally I'll probably stick with the WG...

Here's the reply back on the PixelTouch's:

"These units are big and heavy 100lbs and will have to be specially
packaged. Shipping [to Augusta, GA] will be about $60 per monitor. They are used but working in good condition. They are completely enclosed in a steel case.

Also just to let you know they are NOT touch screen monitors as they sit
now."

So I'm guessing that these are probably going to be in the same or similar condition to those bought by Rampy and MameFan.

--Chris

MrArcade · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2003, 05:04:55 pm »

I ordered a few of these monitors....they are shipped insured and come with a 30 day guarantee.

They have 10 left, 9 were ordered today.

If you want one you better get your order in...

Chris · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2003, 05:20:13 pm »

Quote from: MrArcade on April 08, 2003, 05:04:55 pm

I ordered a few of these monitors....they are shipped insured and come with a 30 day guarantee.

They have 10 left, 9 were ordered today.

If you want one you better get your order in...

I knew I shouldn't have said anything about this place until I got mine...

I can't order until the morning...

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2003, 06:41:04 pm »

okay so these monitors dont have any burn in or other problems right?
I remember what happend to mamefan(yeah that !).

I will probley order 1 but still sounds little too good to be true.

Anyone ever bought anything from these folks?
It sounds like a deal allright..only $75 for a 19" vga.

MrArcade · « **Reply #20 on:** April 08, 2003, 11:48:12 pm »

Mine should be in early next week. If anyone has their's arrive please post what condition etc it is in.

I will post about mine the day they arrive.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2003, 12:55:19 am »

damnit... i have a 19" vga and now you're making me want a 19" svga.

Damn yall!!! (that's texan for "Damn yall!")

Snarbald · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2003, 02:47:46 am »

I ordered one today and when I got the tracking numbers the estimated time of delivery was April 9th. I guess Chicago isn't very far away. The guy on the phone told me that they all appear to still be in the original wrappings. So I guess I'll let everyone know if mine comes first.

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2003, 09:57:17 am »

I ordered two of them yesterday. $25 ground shipping to Boston, they'll probably arrive end of this week or next Monday, though I didnt get a tracking number

The sales guy said they've never been opened, boxes still stapled shut. He also asked me how much these things usually go for, as there's been a lot of people calling about them. Ha!

Chris · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2003, 10:45:45 am »

I finally got my order in. The website says they're down to 4 left!

While I had the sales guy on the phone, we talked about the PixelTouches. I told him about the issues we had with those from the other vendor (burn-in and chips in the glass and such) and he said he'd have his techs pull them off the shelf and give them a good testing and let me know their condition; I told him to especially look for burn-in.

--Chris

Snarbald · « **Reply #25 on:** April 09, 2003, 02:29:57 pm »

Mine just came. I'm pretty sure this is the first time its ever been out of the box. I even had to peel the plastic film off of the screen.
I just wanna say thanks for the heads up Chris!

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** April 09, 2003, 02:38:18 pm »

Wow, that was fast!

I told him to drop me a note the next time anything labelled Wells-Gardner or Eygo comes in... but I bet we won't see that $75 price tag again! (On the phone with me he kept saying, "Wow, I wish I knew how much these were worth before... I would have jacked up the price!" I think he was only half-joking...)

said7 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 09, 2003, 02:46:35 pm »

I scored one yesturday. Should be here on monday.

Thanks for the hookup Chris

Geekboy · « **Reply #28 on:** April 09, 2003, 02:51:38 pm »

Thanks Chris for the heads up!

I just ordered one.

Now this means I'm in this for the long haul. I only need a trackball and some MDF to start construction. I can't wait.

Chris · « **Reply #29 on:** April 09, 2003, 03:51:54 pm »

If anyone misses out on this deal, there's one going on eBay for $175...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3217775559&rd=1

I'm glad so many people found this information useful!

--Chris

Chris · « **Reply #30 on:** April 10, 2003, 09:28:51 am »

The Wells-Gardner monitor isn't listed on the site anymore, so it looks like we wiped them out!

The do, however, still have 31 of the 21" PixelTouches for $75, though, and the sales guy said he could have his techs remove the outer steel shell on request...

AlanS17 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2003, 12:04:18 pm »

That was just a crazy deal on those monitors. I hope he gets some more in. And when he does, I hope he doesn't get smart and raise the price! I'm mad at myself for being broke now...

Sasquatch! · « **Reply #32 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:23:34 pm »

Yeah, I got:

Quote

Hi John,

I am not going to be able to fulfill your order for the WELLS-GARDNER WGM1891 monitor. Unfortunately I sold the last one last evening & I didn

Chris · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:36:51 pm »

Sorry... but I have been posting constant status updates...

If your cabinet is big enough, though, he still has the 21" PixelTouches... these are used, not new, but they're also only $75, so that may be a solution for you.... look toward the top of this thread for Rampy's pictures of the PixelTouch he bought last year and how he mounted it... I would have gotten one of these if it would fit in my cabinet...

--Chris

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2003, 11:57:17 pm »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3217776864
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=3217776864

Those two on eBay just went for $210 and $227 plus shipping, still an okay deal but nothing like $75.

Damn that was a great deal I/we got from those guys

Thanks for letting us know about it Chris, I'll be putting two of the beauties into some fine looking cabinets next week.

kspiff · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2003, 03:13:35 am »

I have this strange feeling that we're going to be seeing a lot of new WG SVGAs on ebay in the next week or 2

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #36 on:** April 11, 2003, 05:45:15 am »

yeah, i am kinda bummed to see these guys that say they bought "a few" of them..i doubt they actually will use several of them..just trying to make a buck. oh, that's how it goes it guess.

---daisies---!

hehe.

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #37 on:** April 11, 2003, 10:02:55 am »

I just had FedEx deliver my two monitors. I'm not going to be selling these for a quick buck though, I've two cabinets in dire need of 19" monitors sitting here.
I've never seen a brand new arcade monitor before, I can't wait to try them out, have to wait till Sunday though.

MrArcade · « **Reply #38 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:20:39 pm »

You will see none of what I bought on ebay.

I doubt you are right about this at all. Maybe I am wrong, but I think most people bought what they will use. Speaking for mysealf, I just happen to have several nice 19" cabinets waiting for monitors.

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #39 on:** April 11, 2003, 05:21:52 pm »

OK OK, you're probably right. sorry to jump to conclusions...

i did get my order in for one!

hope everyone will start posting pics of theirs once they have them going!!!

YEAH!

Chris · « **Reply #40 on:** April 11, 2003, 06:06:48 pm »

I don't think the people around here would do that, and the guy selling those monitors on eBay sells a ton of other arcade stuff, too...

Ironically, it was one of those auctions that led me to the deal! I was planning to bid, and I plugged the modem number into Google to find the specs and ran into the BSC website... so we actually owe the auctioner some thanks for indirectly leading us to the deal of the century!

--Chris

MrBond · « **Reply #41 on:** April 12, 2003, 04:35:23 pm »

CRAP! I could have used one of these! Welp, if anyone sees another good deal like this, hopefully I'll see the post in time!

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #42 on:** April 12, 2003, 11:31:47 pm »

Quote from: Magnet_Eye on April 11, 2003, 05:21:52 pm

hope everyone will start posting pics of theirs once they have them going!!!

Here's mine going strong. It'll be replacing an old Popeye monitor that took hours to configure in AdvMame's AdvCFG. This one took less than five minutes - almost every resolution showed up perfectly, just required a little centering.
I set it up as a PC Monitor, first of all I plugged it straight into my cab using the Popeye arcade monitor settings. It got normal VGA resolutions perfectly, but when MONARC kicked in it didn't know what was going on.

This monitor rocks!

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #43 on:** April 12, 2003, 11:35:12 pm »

err...
was supposed to have this bad pic attached.

Chris · « **Reply #44 on:** April 13, 2003, 01:27:46 am »

Wells-Gardner's site says these don't come with power cords. Did you have to create one, or did it come with a cord after all?

--Chris

Snarbald · « **Reply #45 on:** April 13, 2003, 03:08:40 am »

mine had a cord in the box.

Chris · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2003, 11:43:40 am »

For those that missed out on this deal, remember he still has 31 of the 21" PixelTouch monitors available for $75! Those are used, but he's having his techs check their condition for us. I started a new thread at http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6566 ; I'll post more details in that thread as I discover them.

--Chris

TacoSmuggler · « **Reply #47 on:** April 15, 2003, 03:07:47 am »

I received my monitor today!

I only had time to open the box...It's looks brand spankin new~!

It does have a power cord...I will test it and rport back tomorrow!

$25 shipping to NY..3 days to ship!

Chris · « **Reply #48 on:** April 15, 2003, 09:59:25 am »

I got mine yesterday; it looks brand new as well. Haven't had time to plug it in, though...

The documentation is not the most user-friendly I've seen, though...

Snarbald · « **Reply #49 on:** April 16, 2003, 12:57:20 am »

Mine took approximatly 22 hours from the time I got off the phone with the guy to the monitor showing up at my door. $19 shipping for that.

said7 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 16, 2003, 09:07:24 am »

Hooked up mine last night.

Works like a champ. A little blurry on the rigt side in windows but im assuming this is natural. Cant notice when a game is playing. Ill take pics soon.

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #51 on:** April 16, 2003, 07:32:29 pm »

WOW! I didn't order mine until late last friday afternoon, and got mine today! Fast!

Hooked it up to my PC at 800x600...looks pretty damn good. Only thing was games ran like crap and were "squished," but i am sure this is because i just hooked it up to my regular PC with a geForce card that is running at a high reefresh rate, and this monitor runs at like 31mhz refresh@640x680, don't know what it is at 800x600. I will have to figure that all out.

I will post picks next week i hope. gotta gut my cab, and put it all together!!!

Yippie!

Chris · « **Reply #52 on:** April 16, 2003, 10:31:17 pm »

I was running at 72Hz at 1024x768 and 60Hz at 1280x1024, but it may be capable of higher...

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #53 on:** April 17, 2003, 05:04:30 am »

really? and the games ran perfect for you? I dont know why they ran like crap for me....

hmmm

doesnt like my geforce card?

in my cab i will have an ATI card, maybe that will work better...who knows.

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #54 on:** April 17, 2003, 05:12:31 am »

also, is it just me or are these monitors actually just 18"? I removed my 19" arcade monitor, and it is a lot bigger than this one. The width of this new monitor is just 17"...

when i looked up this model # on wells-gardner, it came up as an 18" monitor.

Chris · « **Reply #55 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:21:38 am »

I've seen thismonitor listed in their docs as both an 18" and a 19" monitor. The official specification sheet calls it a 19" monitor.

TacoSmuggler · « **Reply #56 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:49:08 am »

Quote from: Magnet_Eye on April 17, 2003, 05:12:31 am

also, is it just me or are these monitors actually just 18"? I removed my 19" arcade monitor, and it is a lot bigger than this one. The width of this new monitor is just 17"...

when i looked up this model # on wells-gardner, it came up as an 18" monitor.

I think you are correct. It is a 18" monitor. Unless I am wrong...the part # tells you...WGM1891 . All the documentation I can find on the WG site about these montiors says they are 18" as well.

Chris · « **Reply #57 on:** April 17, 2003, 12:20:42 pm »

Mine has about an 18" viewable area, which is consistent with a 19" PC monitor.

--Chris

rampy · « **Reply #58 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:19:04 pm »

oh boy.. here we go again =P

see this thread actual viewable area of arcade monitors

Arcade monitors and TV's are supposedly report actual viewing area as teh "size" diagonally of the screen (i.e. 19" equals 19" viewable)

PC monitors are a little more dubious in that say... a 21" monitor might have around a 19+" viewable area....

So... that begs the question, would an arcade monitor that was really a PC monitor be measured/advertised like a PC monitor or like an arcade monitor =P

(ps I think these are really 18" monitors -- at least that's my guess, does it matter, it's still awesome, wish I got one!)

rampy

Chris · « **Reply #59 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:39:03 pm »

This would explain why different documents within Wells-Gardner itself disagree on its size. Whoever came up with the model number was obviously used to arcade specs, and wrote it as an 18", but since it is technically a PC monitor, it's official spec sheet shows it as a 19".

This does bring up an interesting point, though! I was about to buy a Happs 19" bezel for it, but since that bezel would be designed for an arcade 19" and not a PC 19", it would be too big for this monitor, wouldn't it?

--Chris

rampy · « **Reply #60 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:47:22 pm »

Quote from: Chris on April 17, 2003, 03:39:03 pm

This would explain why different documents within Wells-Gardner itself disagree on its size. Whoever came up with the model number was obviously used to arcade specs, and wrote it as an 18", but since it is technically a PC monitor, it's official spec sheet shows it as a 19".

This does bring up an interesting point, though! I was about to buy a Happs 19" bezel for it, but since that bezel would be designed for an arcade 19" and not a PC 19", it would be too big for this monitor, wouldn't it?

--Chris

I'm sorry --- my head is spinning now =P

good luck!

rampy

Magnet_Eye · « **Reply #61 on:** April 17, 2003, 08:02:41 pm »

Yes that bezel would be too big. My cab has a bezel for the 19" arcade monitor, it doesnt work. I also had to make custom brackets for this new monitor. Damn, I was hoping the new one would mount just like the arcade one.

Anyway, I believe this is really an 18" monitor, and the viewing area is actually more like 17"! It's kinda small. Especially when i had both of my monitors side by side.

I am still happy with it, but wont be long until I need to upgrade to a 25" !!!

Chris · « **Reply #62 on:** April 18, 2003, 10:43:53 am »

Well, the viewable image on the new monitor is about the same (actually slightly bigger) than my PC 19" monitor, so it looks like my handmade bezel will have to stay in place. Maybe I can reinforce it with something to keep it straight...

--Chris


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