Video: LED-Wiz Dances to music....

[RandyT]

It may sound strange, but only this past weekend was I able to finally get my panel completely re-done with the new GGG-49 ways (which are amazing, BTW ), 17 RGB buttons and a couple of LED-Wiz's.

It just didn't seem right not to have the lights react to the music.......so I fixed it.


Check out the video         *edit*  Video replaced after making speed improvements. No more Hamster Dance

RandyT

[loadman]

Nice LED action....

I cant say the same about your Music Taste   

[youki]

I like the music , it is really funny! 

[MYX]

Once again you are the king of arcade stupidity.  So can we download this nifty feature?
So... did you keep the blue channels solid and add R & G above certain dB levels? Or is it just like a 3 LED VU meter? Blue to Green to Red based on db? Could this be configured to use the same input and have the pulsing of the music advance a LWA from step to step? This way you could set up a LSQ and each beat would advance the LWA to the next frame.

You know it sux. I have so many ideas that I want to play with without the knowledge of how to do so. (Did download the VB by the way) Once I get done with the cab, I will be learning that (probably to trick out the cab even more).

BTW, since you are doing the 49ways and LEDWiz, what will you use for a FE? Are you using a CGA monitor? I am destpratly trying to find a solution that doesn't take a degree in rocket sience to get everything configured.

Oh, and yes, the Hamster Dance seemed sickly appropriate for some reason.

[mahuti]

Well, it's no manheim steamroller, but I guess it'll do.

[Howard_Casto]

Heh, good work.  You beat me to it though I was working on the same thing. 

But I lost my ledwiz stuff in my harddrive crash so that isn't gonna come out anytime soon anyway.

[buks]

Err Randy - you HAVE to release this ! It looks ace !

Is it a "plugin" thing for winamp or does it just run in the background ?

Cheers !

Buks

[edge]

... my panel completely re-done with the new GGG-49 ways (which are amazing, BTW )
RandyT

Does that mean your new GGG 49 ways will be out soon? 

Hmmmm - must search couch for money.

[RandyT]

Err Randy - you HAVE to release this ! It looks ace !

I'll release it.  My only concern is that others may not have their panels wired like mine.  I have all RGB LED's wired R, G, and B in order starting with outputs 1, 2 and 3 and continuing like that, with Player 2 having the same configuration on it's own LED-Wiz.  The software currently assumes that every third output is the same color.  If I have to map outputs for each button, that's going to take some work yet.

I'm also tweaking the math.  I need to get some yellows in there and activate the LED levels on more of a curve to match the output of them a little better.

Also, I just replaced the video!  This time with more speed and edgier music.  Here's the link again.   >Updated Video after software improvement<

Is it a "plugin" thing for winamp or does it just run in the background ?

Does THIS answer your question?   


And MYX, I'm still working on it.  I might be picking your brain if you have some ideas as to how to go about some of these things.  I'm not a "sound" guy (in more ways than one) so I attacked it as a programmer would.  The software uses compression cutoff and biasing  to do what it does.  It seems to work pretty well and I have a few more ideas, but I'm sure there are other ways to approach the problem.

RandyT

[DrumAnBass]

Hey I like the choice of music!  I am a big fan of the Chemical Bros!

But anyway - that definately puts the Groovy in GGG! Nice work Randy!

[loadman]

Also, I just replaced the video!  This time with more speed and edgier music.  Here's the link again.   >Updated Video after software improvement<

Thats very cool

My only concern is that others may not have their panels wired like mine.  I have all RGB LED's wired R, G, and B in order starting with outputs 1, 2 and 3 and continuing like that, with Player 2 having the same configuration on it's own LED-Wiz.  The software currently assumes that every third output is the same color

IMO I think thats the way it should be wired, and it's not too hard to change anyway.

Cool

[buks]

Randy,

Would it be possible to have an ini file with the led/button config in ? That way everyone can modify it to their own settings. Just a thought not  demand !!!!!

I assume the software would still light things if our is wired differently - maybe not the colours you'd want but it would still work ?

The second video seems to answer my question - it looks like your s/w sits in the background and reacts to ALL sound. Thats cool !

Buks

[jfunk]

Randy,

Now you need to jump into the 'ambient lighting' craze:

Engadget link 1
Engadget link 2

And have the colors of the buttons match the colors on the screen    Or something like that.. 

Maybe we could mount the RGB lights BEHIND the cabinet and the back of it would glow like the screen! 

Heh.

[Havok]

Awesome! That will be great for cabs that have a jukebox running, or even to just put on a stand alone jukebox!!!

<Time for Havok to sell his house so he can afford all the arcade goodies he wants for his cabinet...>

[MYX]

  I'm not a "sound" guy (in more ways than one)

LOL...Nope, I doubt if any of us are.

[RandyT]

BTW, since you are doing the 49ways and LEDWiz, what will you use for a FE? Are you using a CGA monitor? I am destpratly trying to find a solution that doesn't take a degree in rocket sience to get everything configured.

I forgot to answer these;

I'm going to be using AtomicFE.  I'm hoping I can convince Youki to add 49-way support to it.  Maybe we can persuade him if others ask him nicely as well .

The monitor is one of the 27" RGB (CGA) monitors that I have been selling at the store.

RandyT

[gonzobrian]

  I'm not a "sound" guy (in more ways than one)

LOL...Nope, I doubt if any of us are.

Actually I was the sound man for a psychedelic reggae band in college.  I have never put that on my r

[gonzobrian]

BTW, since you are doing the 49ways and LEDWiz, what will you use for a FE? Are you using a CGA monitor? I am destpratly trying to find a solution that doesn't take a degree in rocket sience to get everything configured.

I forgot to answer these;

I'm going to be using AtomicFE.  I'm hoping I can convince Youki to add 49-way support to it.  Maybe we can persuade him if others ask him nicely as well .

The monitor is one of the 27" RGB (CGA) monitors that I have been selling at the store.

RandyT

Cool.  If you get my GP-Wiz Eco out to me this weekend I am going to beta test Atomic's new  LED-Wiz support.  Come on USPS!

[MYX]

  I'm not a "sound" guy (in more ways than one)

LOL...Nope, I doubt if any of us are.

Actually I was the sound man for a psychedelic reggae band in college.  I have never put that on my r

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Randy,

 

This is awesome!  Release date? 



mrC

[gonzobrian]

Yes inquiring minds want to know!

[RandyT]

As soon as I finish the LED mapping section, I'll let it go.  I added another effect and an auto level adjustment.  I will continue to add more as time permits, but it's plenty cool even as it is so I'll get it out there.  I'll need a few more days though.

RandyT

[crzywolf]

I can't wait to add this to my cab . Also what the ETA on the 49 way joysticks.

[MYX]

You should e-mail him directly about orders. Don't post it in a non related thread. 

(Unless you are reffering to the GGG flavored Joys)

[RandyT]

(Unless you are reffering to the GGG flavored Joys)

Heh, I think he is.  I had something to do on that project to make the setup a little more affordable.  I'm over a major hurdle now and in the home stretch

RandyT

[crzywolf]

Yeah , I was referring to the ggg 49 ways.

[Santoro]

Wow, I really need to get moving and install my lit buttons/LEDWiz.

Good stuff Randy.

[Lilwolf]

So, does this automatically work with any output through the systems sound system?  Or did you have to set it up to work with a specific song?

Like... for instance...

does it flash in tune with all the games in mame?

And when you have this setting, can you control other lights?  (ie, keep some lights flashing, but only the buttons which are active for the playing game)?

And as always... SWEEET!

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Any news?



mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

*mrC peaks in thread      ...leaves

[headkaze]

I'm not sure if Randy is still going to be releasing this, but I'm working on adding this to GameEx and will be helping the Mala guys add this to their LEDWiz plugin for Mala.

It would still be nice to hear how Randy is doing this in the video.

[loadman]

I'm not sure if Randy is still going to be releasing this, but I'm working on adding this to GameEx and will be helping the Mala guys add this to their LEDWiz plugin for Mala.

It would still be nice to hear how Randy is doing this in the video.

he tells no lies.. I am a beta tester and it's starting to look cool

[headkaze]

Comon Randy, how about a bit of support for developers who are trying to write software for your hardware?

[RandyT]

There is much math involved.  It's not so simple a thing that it can be conveyed adequately without giving out documented source.  And I don't give out source to my software.

I have, in essence, developed a homebrew beat-detection method based on the compression waveforms.  Everyone will do this kind of thing a little differently, so I recommend experimentation.  You might even come up with something better than what I had.  But you can start by carving up the compression waveform data into pieces using weighted averages and act upon the results in a fashion you think will give you the effect you desire.  To be done correctly, there should also be a mechanism or two in place to try to cope with changing output levels between different songs or audio sources.  What you see in the video represents about 40 hours worth of experimentation and some pretty complex code.

There's not much I can offer you on your project in the way of assistance.  I haven't even found the time to finish my project yet 

RandyT

[loadman]

Thanks Randy

I get the impression that you are not too eager to share all the details of your code as you want the pleasure of releasing a finished version first. Fair enough too. 

But in the interest that this might increase Wiz sales (it ain't gonna hurt anyway) is it possible to give HeadKaze a couple more basic clues to save a lot of time please.

 What he is done so far is great but the brightness/colour changes are not as dynamic as yours and its is extremely frustrating and I don't want him to give up...   Anything ?

[headkaze]

There is much math involved.  It's not so simple a thing that it can be conveyed adequately without giving out documented source.  And I don't give out source to my software.

I have, in essence, developed a homebrew beat-detection method based on the compression waveforms.  Everyone will do this kind of thing a little differently, so I recommend experimentation.  You might even come up with something better than what I had.  But you can start by carving up the compression waveform data into pieces using weighted averages and act upon the results in a fashion you think will give you the effect you desire.  To be done correctly, there should also be a mechanism or two in place to try to cope with changing output levels between different songs or audio sources.  What you see in the video represents about 40 hours worth of experimentation and some pretty complex code.

There's not much I can offer you on your project in the way of assistance.  I haven't even found the time to finish my project yet 

RandyT

Thanks for the support Randy! Appreciate it.

[youki]

that is completely LAME of you to not give out support to all the coders working hard to support your hardware.

Headkaze, I think he just said that he won't give his source code.  He never said he won't give  support or help for developper.

I can say  he as been really helpfull  for me  when i implemented LEDWIZ and GPWIZ support for Atomic.
He anwsered all questions i asked,  did all test i asked (and i asked a lot for the GPWIZ...)  and lot of  more.

We had huge mail exchanges.   I can not imagine  how he could do "more" support a coders.

And i really want Thanks Randy for that. 

[youki]

humm.. it seems you edited your message while i'm typing my response....

[headkaze]

Yeah I thought my response was a bit harsh, but I'll answer it anyway...

Randy has supported Atomic from day one, by donating a LEDWiz to Youki and giving you the protocol info so you can write your own dll.

He has not given the same support to any other FE. In fact he refused to give me the protocol info let alone offered me a free LEDWiz. Despite the fact that the GameEx userbase is probably bigger than the Atomic one. I guess it's because Randy has chosen your FE, but it doesn't mean we should suffer because of it.

I have written support for the LEDWiz without even owning one, thanks to loadman who incidently is a Mala user. For some strange reason the Mala and GameEx users don't see this as one big competition, we actually work together to help the scene.

So with that in mind, I have written a plugin that uses MikeQ's DLL which is more than enough for what I need, since Randy's ocx does suck big balls, and is not worth using.

Now, all I ask is that he helps get the LEDWiz going with music, but now I don't expect much of Randy since he obviously doesn't see everyone on the same playing field. Despite that I will figure out beat detection even it means learning Fast Frourier algorithms that would make your head explode. It's just a shame that Randy would rather not support the rest of the scene.

I don't agree with all that Howard says on this board, but he has some pretty good ideas about how Randy's support for developers is lacking.

[youki]

Despite the fact that the GameEx userbase is probably bigger than the Atomic one.

You can not  really know that. 

I guess it's because Randy has chosen your FE, but it doesn't mean we should suffer because of it.

Wrong.  I think he never used my Front End before doing test for me. 

So, the question is why he has been so helpfull with me and lot of others  and not with you or howard.  I don't know....   

by donating a LEDWiz to Youki

Not exactly, It is still Randy property , i will send it back to him when i will have totally completed the support of that device in Atomic.  There are still lot of cool thing with can do with it in the context of a FrontEnd!