This guy has a point...

[CheffoJeffo]

I don't see any reasons in my posts to doubt my own cabinet design skills

are there any keyboard issues with the ultimarc thingie?

 

[Arcade82]

uhh so?
I'm asking a legitimate question

how does that reflect on my cabinet design skills?

weird

besides it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to put a 4" screen in a big wide ass cabinet.

You guys make it sound like this guy is a genius and this is the best it gets and it's hard to do better..

[CheffoJeffo]

Not weird at all.

From someone who has been looking at this stuff for 7 years and is a self-appointed arbiter of cabinet taste, I would expect better than "the ultimarc thingie".

You think that reflects WELL on your cabinet skills ?

I bet Sasquatch knows the answer ...

All in good fun and the spirit of the OP.

Cheers.

[leapinlew]

I don't see any reasons in my post to doubt my own cabinet design skills

Let me see if I understand this... it's been 7 years, you haven't designed/built a cabinet and you don't see any reason to have doubt? My friend, what you have is VaporCade.

Another thing that even you should be able to determine from this post is that there are different strokes for different folks. People won't like your cabinet. Thats just the breaks. You'll build a frankenpanel and the purists won't like it, or you'll build a dedicated and the multi-game crowd won't care for it. You WILL end up on someones crapmame list.

I've been looking at homebuilt arcade cabinets for 7 years (one shy of eight) and trust me, I was not in awe or would have been.

Umm, thats my point. Your going to tell me 7 years ago when you found mame and the homebuilt cabinet scene you weren't amazed like everyone else in this hobby? So, if you would've found it 1 year earlier than that you wouldn't have been? Ridiculous.

Either way, I wish you no ill will. Good luck on your cabinet. Be safe. I'll look for it in... how long? Another 7 years?

[Arcade82]

you guys are SUCh nerds

and yeah, that cabinet did suck, whether it be 1979 or 1999

sorry.. don't take it so personal (Except the nerd thing) 

[leapinlew]

you guys are SUCh nerds

and yeah, that cabinet did suck, whether it be 1979 or 1999

sorry.. don't take it so personal (Except the nerd thing) 

Ha! I still say it's better than your cabinet. 

[CheffoJeffo]

you guys are SUCh nerds

Internet Tough-Guy (tm), huh ?

[CheffoJeffo]

You guys make it sound like this guy is a genius and this is the best it gets and it's hard to do better..

No, just that you mock without any understanding of WHY he built a big cab and why he used a 19" monitor (which is not an unreasonable size). Further, he is a good guy who has shared, contributed and built some nice cabs and controls.

To mock without recognition of that is ignorance.

And I would hate for him to read this without someone stepping in to point that out.

Cheers.

[DrewKaree]

You guys make it sound like this guy is a genius and this is the best it gets and it's hard to do better..

Nobody has intimated anything even closely resembling this fabrication.  What they HAVE intimated is that you were either unwilling to share your own project or had a hunch you had no project.

On the first point, being unwilling to share your project while laughing at others is small-minded, shallow, and insecure.  On the second point, as was already pointed out, you are scoffing at something you aren't even capable of creating in order for it to be laughed at in the first place. 

I hereby give Sasquatch the award for boldly creating a cabinet that not only is better than anything you've produced, but is more creative than your NonCade.

I give him props for actually DOING something, rather than sitting back and laughing at something you can't do.  I say can't, because only a slacker like mission or myself can go SEVEN years without building a cab and still have a credible excuse.  You have no excuse.  Face your fear of building an asstastic creation.  Otherwise, you just sound like an immature tool to laugh at something you can't do.

[Arcade82]

I hereby give you the nerd of the year award

[Xam]

you guys are SUCh nerds

and yeah, that cabinet did suck, whether it be 1979 or 1999

sorry.. don't take it so personal (Except the nerd thing) 

I sir (term used only for dramatic effect)am not a nerd...I am a dork...and I embrace that. I think your brain is fried from too many video games...after all...you've played for so long. You are completely missing the point.
It is so very easy to criticize others when you have done nothing.
I run into this all the time...people down my basketball skills...then when I challenge them, their ankle is broken, or they have to leave, or whatever.
I suck at basketball...but I love playing and at least have the balls to play...and play against those much better than I. Admittedly...some of the cabs are hideous...to me that is. At least the people had the gumption to build them.

Do you at least have a rough draft of your cab? Could we mock..errr.see it? You have had 7 years....I'm figuring you made at least one draft no?

And just you wait til you see my cab...it'll be on the wall of shame for sure...but it'll be mine.

Xam

[DrewKaree]

I hereby give you the nerd of the year award

I'm reeling from your witty repartee.  

Show us your cab. 

We can't very well alert the CrapMame website about your ideas about a cab.  It doesn't work that way.  You actually have to show the balls and BUILD something.

Or lemme guess, you're a millionaire and you're gonna just pay someone to build it.  Well, you're not ACTUALLY a millionaire, you've just been THINKING about becoming one for the last 7 years.

[davieboynj]

So what's wrong with using a 21" CRT or a TV???  Having an old 21" CRT no one wanted was the main reason I started down the path of making my own cab.

I am pretty sure that he didn't mean anything was wrong with them. Now that they are readily available it is much easier to make a nice looking cab. Since many of those cabs were being ripped on for using 15" CRTs in a huge cab, he made the abaove point.

Thanks for the defence in my absence.    That's exactly what i meant.  If I built my cocktail 5 years ago, i can guarantee I wouldn't have used a 21" flat CRT in it.  You really had to love your arcades if you were willing to go through all the trouble of hacking a keyboard and building a dedicated cabinet for a 15"-17" screen. 

[Kremmit]

(insert any quote you like from this guy here, they all prove the same point)

You, sir, are an idiot.

[Vigo]

I have built some laughable stuff in my day...not a laughable arcade cabinet...yet...but I can say that I would proudly post anything I made...no matter how much of a joke it would seem...

If people looked at what I posted and laughed, and even told me they thought it was bad...I'd be ok...as I expect critism as part of what I post....

However, when somebody takes what I posted, published it elsewhere WITHOUT MY CONSENT (which I doubt the guy did). And openly mocked it behind my back...I would be extremely offended....

That is what this issue is about...these people can't defend themselves, nor do most of them have any idea that thousands of people laughed at the expense of their hard work...

I understand that this can be used as a guide of what not to do, but that I why I think this would be exceptional if the pictures were given with permission to be ridiculed. (and a little less swearing too).

In fact, I bet there are people out there who would be willing to volunteer their mistakes to show people what not to do.

  to all who defended the cab creators!

[KevSteele]

You know, I'm sure there are a lot of us who would donate pics of our first cab to a "Crapmame"-type site, as long as we were in on the joke, and could chime in on what we think our worst design decisions were and what we would do differently now.

If you can't laugh at your own mistakes, you aren't learning...

Kevin

[Xiaou2]

 Surely theres nothing wrong with learning to laugh at yourself..  but to have
someone trash you vindictivly is another story.   Which is basically what
that guy is doing. 

 These arnt constructive critiques.  They are filled with personal and negative slams.

 This is simular to your 2nd grader turning in thier art project and the teacher
Laughs at them, makes fun of how poorly its drawn,  calls the kid names,
uses profanity..etc.   

 Maybe thats what you do when your kids show thier art to you  KEV?

 Everyone does certain things for various reasons.   Some things are tests.. some are
done  to lack of funds,  some to do with creativity levels,  time, space, etc.   
And many of these may ne first time builds.. in which case, people are struggling just
to cut the pieces and are lucky to arrive at anything that resembles a cab.

 In the one example, a guy put his trackball to the far left..  which actually is better
than most cabs  that put it in the center..  croweded by other sticks, and when they
spin it hard... slam thier hands into the monitor glass (or nearby sticks).   THe
distiance from the person the the montor really wasnt that far to see.   While its
not exactly what I would do..  I dont think its that bad at all really.   But even IF I did,
Im not a 30yr old baby that has to put up a webpage to insult others efforts and
Past desigions.

 I think the REAL LAUGH is the person who made that site.    Its him who needs
the most GROWING UP to do. 

 


 

[Hoopz]

I think the REAL LAUGH is the person who made that site.    Its him who needs
the most GROWING UP to do. 

Yes, and anyone who thinks they have the right to judge without knowing all the facts. 

[Xiaou2]

 The facts are plain as day..   for all to see on the site.

 
 Judge not, least ye be judged yourself.

 
 Basically,  if you wana start some SH*T,  then expect it in return.

 

[DaveMMR]

You know what's funny?  When this site gets mentioned in EE, everyone seems to take it more as a joke.

  In the one example, a guy put his trackball to the far left..  which actually is better
than most cabs  that put it in the center..   

Are you referring to Pac-Matt (and, Matt, if you're reading this, sorry to drag you into this - just using as a reference and not as an attack on you)?  His track ball was to the far right.  And no, it's not better than it being in the middle.   Slightly to the left or right - that's fine - but not a good foot away from the right most edge of the screen.    That's just completely useless.

I will tell you that I laughed a lot at that site.  I'm not defending or denoucing it, because it's his space and his opinions. 

Now here's my opinion:  I agree most with the crapmame site when it blasts bad control layout.  I could overlook poor craftmanship, a small monitor or bad, pseudo-artwork.  But when laying out controls, there's a finite number of ways of doing it properly.  Some of the examples had buttons just spewed out randomly, or had the buttons laid out vertically or had the second player's controls backwards or had everything drowning in a sea of unnessary admin/mouse/secondary buttons.  I never understood the desire to be 'creative' with layouts - you can't go wrong with buttons laid out straight and the bare minimum of admin buttons.  The artwork is the "artwork", not the controls.  And, contrary to popular belief, you don't need to stick every single type of control on a panel.  You will get a great deal of enjoyment from your machine even if it had nothing but joysticks.  Otherwise, make the panels swappable or create a tasteful Franken-panel that's deeper, not wider. 

Yes the Crapmame site can be mean (and funny), but I think it can serve as a valuable lesson to those who are starting out.  If you don't like his humor, at least skip to the bottom of his last page - it has some very useful tips.

(EDIT: I corrected "Not" to say "Now", nothing else, lest anyone thinks I reedited this post to make myself appear 'less harsh' in my opinion.  Read following threads for more info.)

[KevSteele]

Surely theres nothing wrong with learning to laugh at yourself..  but to have
someone trash you vindictivly is another story.   Which is basically what
that guy is doing. 

Whoa, there -- I'm not defending, supporting, endorsing, or advocating CrapMAME!
Not in the least - read my post again!

I think a site where we can volunteer our worst efforts and comment on where we think they went wrong would be a good idea, not CrapMAME itself. I'm sure we all have project disasters in our closet, and being able to look at them again and laugh is positive, in the right environment (i.e., shared misery )

I don't agree that having public ridicule of someone's cab without their involvement is a good idea at all, and CrapMAME is mean-spirited, which I'm not into at all.

I am into learning and improving with each mistake, and I'm not above laughing at my own screwups.

Kevin

[DrewKaree]

Ziaoue is a bit more sensitive to this than most, but just because his project is on that site doesn't mean there's stuff that didn't/doesn't make people think of different methods for setting up/laying out their controls.  I find his project far from CrapMame worthy, and actually disagree that it's on there at ALL.  I think the guy was an idiot for making fun of his CP and is too stupid to see the value it's had to CP design/creation or how the site author could utilize some of the things ziaoe tried/did.

At least the site's author had the balls to post his own project while making fun of someone.  I think it's far more cowardly to make fun of other people's projects without putting your own project out there for a critique.  Laugh all you want, but if you don't have the balls to show everyone what you were able to accomplish, it just makes you a ---kitty--- and a chickenshit one at that. 

[Xiaou2]

 Kev,  my appologies,  as I missed when you said:    "type site,"   

 I agree with you entirely.

 
 Dave, firstly, pacmats extra 1ft away from the monitor is Not that bad at all.    Its not
like your an extra 5 ft away!      As far as I can see,  the monitor is very visible from
that distance.    ITs not like its a LCD with limited view angle.

 Your "holier than tho" attitude is mostly in line with the guy who made the crapsite.
You THINK your opinion is the end all to be all.   You must be the BYOAC-GOD??!!!      

 All that youve said is Pure OPINION, not fact.   

 finite number of ways of doing it properly. = not true

 you don't need to stick every single type of control on a panel = opinion

  You will get a great deal of enjoyment from your machine
even if it had nothing but joysticks   =  hmm,  not me...


 Your entitled to your opinions,  BUT DONT think you can belittle others because you
BELIEVE your OPINION is somehow better than thiers.    Such comments as "that is useless"  and "And no, it's not better than it being in the middle"   ...How do you know?!  Have you tried it on the side??!   Your opinions are not Fact as you seem to proport them to be.   

 
 DrewKaree, thanks for the good words.   

 Btw - I could care less that my partial proto got onto the site.  In fact, Id feel the same
if it were not.   The points remain the same.   

 And also,  the COWARD doesnt have the BALLS to show his real identity.  NOR does he
post a pic of his new GODLY DIVINE CAB that beats all the others out there...
            

[DaveMMR]

 Kev,  my appologies,  as I missed when you said:    "type site,"   

 I agree with you entirely.

 
 Dave, firstly, pacmats extra 1ft away from the monitor is Not that bad at all.    Its not
like your an extra 5 ft away!      As far as I can see,  the monitor is very visible from
that distance.    ITs not like its a LCD with limited view angle.

 Your "holier than tho" attitude is mostly in line with the guy who made the crapsite.
You THINK your opinion is the end all to be all.   You must be the BYOAC-GOD??!!!      

 All that youve said is Pure OPINION, not fact.   

 finite number of ways of doing it properly. = not true

 you don't need to stick every single type of control on a panel = opinion

  You will get a great deal of enjoyment from your machine
even if it had nothing but joysticks   =  hmm,  not me...


 Your entitled to your opinions,  BUT DONT think you can belittle others because you
BELIEVE your OPINION is somehow better than thiers.    Such comments as "that is useless"  and "And no, it's not better than it being in the middle"   ...How do you know?!  Have you tried it on the side??!   Your opinions are not Fact as you seem to proport them to be.   

 
 DrewKaree, thanks for the good words.   

 Btw - I could care less that my partial proto got onto the site.  In fact, Id feel the same
if it were not.   The points remain the same.   

 And also,  the COWARD doesnt have the BALLS to show his real identity.  NOR does he
post a pic of his new GODLY DIVINE CAB that beats all the others out there...
            

First of all, you seem to go on the attack when someone challenges your point of view, and furthermore, you vomit emoticons all over the place.  One or two per of those per response next time, just for readability's sake.

All that youve said is Pure OPINION, not fact.   

I already said it was my opinion in my post.  Perhaps if you weren't consumed by some insane rage, you would have remembered that.  And I expressed my opinion stongly, granted, but I don't think I'm forcing anyone at gunpoint to agree with me.   

I'm sorry I offended your stance on "wacky panels".  Go forth and make a 35-inch wide panel with four rotary joysticks, three trackballs (all of which are in a different room), and two pairs of "Paperboy" handlebars (in case you want to play it twice).   While you're at it, put your buttons in a circle.  Because, you know, the best way to recreate the 'arcade experience' is to deviate as much from it as possible.    

Finally, if you read the site (which you probably didn't), you will see that he DID post his cab.  But I guess it's better to be filled with venomous anger than to have all your facts straight. 

[davieboynj]

Xiaou2, if you didn't think there was an ideal panel layout, why would you work so hard to build something with a rotating panel?  Why not just throw them haphazardly on a big piece of wood?  I think you believe in ideal layouts more than most (not a bad thing ).  

And if you really believe this:

You will get a great deal of enjoyment from your machine
even if it had nothing but joysticks   =  hmm,  not me...

why would you even put such a layout on your panel anyways?

Good layout makes your cabinet more like the arcade experience (read: a centered track ball), and minimal buttons make our cabinets more accessible to others and comfortable for ourselves.  That is really (i think) what most of us are after.  I don't think Dave meant anything other than that.  

Btw - I could care less that my partial proto got onto the site.  In fact, Id feel the same if it were not.   The points remain the same.  

I think thou dost protest too much.  You already jumped KevSteele, and now DaveMMR, and pretty soon (i'm guessing) myself.  

[Xiaou2]

First of all, you seem to go on the attack when someone challenges your point of view,
 
  If someone challenges me,  surely I will return it.   Thats the nature of the game.


Well Dave,   I never used to use the Icons.. but hey..  they were there
And  again,  its my chioce to do so..   and Your opinion for me not to.    However,  according to your post.. you are in fact ORDERING me not to.    I dont take orders from you last time I looked at my paycheck...   
 

I already said it was my opinion in my post.  Perhaps if you weren't consumed by some insane rage,


  ANd I KNOW you said that..  however read further..  and you see I said that you are saying that your opinion is superior to others here.    Theres a difference in having an opinion, and telling people "factually" that their "opinions are wrong".

 And for the record,  Im not in Rage mode.  I rarely get angered..  However, I will defend my positions and make my points clear.


 And I expressed my opinion stongly, granted, but I don't think I'm forcing anyone at gunpoint to agree with me.   

  "finite number of ways of doing it properly"   is not an OPIONION statement.   This reads Factual.  As if you are saying "your wrong..  1+1=2"     This in not an opinion statement.

 If you were to write:   "In my opinion,  its best to use...."    then its an opionion.  Not factual and
demeaning to others with differing opinions.


I'm sorry I offended your stance on "wacky panels".  Go forth and make a 35-inch wide panel with four rotary joysticks, three trackballs (all of which are in a different room), and two pairs of "Paperboy" handlebars (in case you want to play it twice).   While you're at it, put your buttons in a circle.  Because, you know, the best way to recreate the 'arcade experience' is to deviate as much from it as possible. 

 Havnt offened my position at all.   I, like MANY others here have different opinions here.   I dont force them down anyones throats,  and I dont intentionally try to make others look bad for thier choices and opinions.  (unless they really push it with me)     

 In my opinion,  I feel that many trackball layouts are too close to the monitor..  so much so
that you cant get a fast roll to them without hitting the glass or at least fearing it.    In fact,
Ive even heard posts about it happening before.   To me,  Id personally use another method than what matt chose..  however,  in comparison,  its not a bad solution.   Esp if one is very
serious into these games and wants as much spastic speed as possible,  to achieve very high levels, scores, etc.

 And BTW - if you were refering to the Panel I made..  It had one Superhangon control, and one
Starwars controller - (both hand built).    While you could control both games with the starwars
controller..  there is a different feel with a motorcycle controler.. esp the throttle speed control.. which is much more accurate.    Anyone care to try to beat my score/levels  on super hangon with a starwas yoke alone..   I just about gaurentee they cant do it.       Also, because there are TWO controllers...  one can play dual racing games on a single panel.

 It seems, Unlike you,   I actually Care about doing very well when I play a game.   


Finally, if you read the site (which you probably didn't), you will see that he DID post his cab.  But I guess it's better to be filled with venomous anger than to have all your facts straight.

 How about this DAVE,  I did read the site... and saw his cab.   He was definitely easier on his
own than the rest.    BUT DID YOU READ MY POST??   NopE.   I SAID THAT HE DOESNT HAVE THE
BRASS TO PUT HIS NEW  Cabinet up!!!!     AND HE DOESNT HAVE THE BRASS TO REVEAL HIMSELF.

 WHY  cause hes a gutless worm of a creature!     Yeah, lets see him stoll over to these
guys houses and say those things in the way he said them to thier faces.    Um... Yeah.. its not gana happen.    That tough guy, foul swined mouthed, creature from the black lagoona aint got brass balls except when hes hiding behind his mothers rear end.
   
 Hows that for a critique?

[DaveMMR]

Well, thanks for the lesson on the word 'opinion'.  Apparently it means 'if I don't agree with you then you are a tyrant and bossy and have delusions of superiority'. 

I feel I should add that I wasn't fully aware that that guy roasted your rotating panel (I didn't associate the name with the project), so maybe I see now why you're on the defensive.  I finally put two and two together after reading davieboynj's post.   Let the record show that your panel in a pretty decent solution to the problem of multiple controls in limited space.  I feel the only reason it made the "crapmame" site was because he didn't read any documentation as to how the drum would be implemented in a cabinet or showcase.

So, to simplify, why are you getting so mad - you should have known by my statements that I wasn't even talking about your panel.  The "two handlebar" remark was a coincidence, by the way, as I didn't memorize the controls on your drum.

As davieboynj said, you must be in some agreement to my point if you even went through the trouble of making your rotation contol panel.

And, now seriously Xiaou, you really need to relax.  You're being a little irrational.  I'm sorry that guy didn't like your panel.  I'm sorry you can enjoy Centipede from a sharp angle while I can't.  It's one guy's opinion (not your definition, the dictionary's one).

[Xiaou2]

 Xiaou2, if you didn't think there was an ideal panel layout, why would you work so hard to build something with a rotating panel?  Why not just throw them haphazardly on a big piece of wood?  I think you believe in ideal layouts more than most (not a bad thing Smiley ).

   Davie,  you Miss the point entirely.     There may be better ways to play certain games.  Better ways to arrange things..    however..   these are often opinions really.   As not everyone shares the same opionions..   and its not right to DECLARE your OPIONION is the ABSOLUTE DIVINE TRUTH.     And certianly not right to bash others at thier expense because of their opionions and creations.


And if you really believe this:

Good layout makes your cabinet more like the arcade experience (read: a centered track ball), and minimal buttons make our cabinets more accessible to others and comfortable for ourselves. 


  *first off..  you assume that scores of people are treking to our places to play
our machine.   This isnt always the case.  And more times than not, WE will be there
attending and playing along.   

 *Next,  you assume that many layouts have trackballs distanced accordingly to the arcades..
in which there is plenty of room to spin them without hitting the monitor or other controls.   If this isnt the case... which seems many more times than not..   THEN ITS NOT LIKE THE ARCADE EXPERIENCE.    Not to mention.. that some Tballs are mounted to high up that its straining to
reach them...  and hard to maintain good controll for a durration of gametime without extreme fatigue.    In that case, its a sacrafice of comfort and control for (in this case) a slightly better viewing angle..    or good positioning on thier CP.

*Next,  You also mention Minimal buttons.    While I may in my opinion agree to an extent..  I also believe in placement of as many needed for the games I perfer to play.    For example.. to play Neo-Geo games well..  its better to place 4 buttons in a row.  This allows all buttons to be pressed at once in samuri showdown for example..  in which a Street Fighter layout can not easily do.    Tho to play SFII,  you need the dual rows of 6 buttons.   So making a SFII layout with an extra button on the top row for the NeoGeo games is a good thing, IMOP.

 There are many other examples where More buttons will enhance the experience with certain games than detract from it.   Which you may like the LOOK of the reduced buttons.. that again is YOUR OPINION.  NOT A FACTUAL TRUTH.   

That is really (i think) what most of us are after.  I don't think Dave meant anything other than that. 

 Im reading Daves words as they are written.   Your words are much more tactfull,  respectfull, and not as much claiming to have the factual truth and divine holy word on BYOAC.

Quote from: Xiaou2 on Yesterday at 08:30:16 PM
Btw - I could care less that my partial proto got onto the site.  In fact, Id feel the same if it were not.   The points remain the same. 

I think thou dost protest too much.  You already jumped KevSteele, and now DaveMMR, and pretty soon (i'm guessing) myself. 

 
 Well Davieboy,   I defend  others as well as my own postion.   I personally dont like
seeing jerks trash others works to glorify thierselves.   Do you?   Maybe you do it too?

 I admittedly jumped on Kev on accident and appologized for misreading a statement.  However, I have read the others clearly, and am not saying anything else in my post that doesnt have good reasoning and deserving behind them.

 
 

[DaveMMR]

  that again is YOUR OPINION.  NOT A FACTUAL TRUTH.   

Exactly when did either of us write out statements out as if they were read by Moses after coming down the mountain with two tablets in his hand?

Can we just all assume that everything said infinitum, is "opinion" and not have to underline that with a million lines?  The O, P, I and N buttons on my keyboard are getting worn out having to reiterate that to you.

[Xiaou2]

Well, thanks for the lesson on the word 'opinion'.  Apparently it means 'if I don't agree with you then you are a tyrant and bossy and have delusions of superiority'.

 No, it means I believe one should word things in a way that show you are stating an opinion.. and in doing so, arnt putting others down in the process.    I dunno.. i just think thats a much nicer way to be..  dont you? 


I feel I should add that I wasn't fully aware that that guy roasted your rotating panel (I didn't associate the name with the project), so maybe I see now why you're on the defensive.  I finally put two and two together after reading davieboynj's post.   Let the record show that your panel in a pretty decent solution to the problem of multiple controls in limited space.  I feel the only reason it made the "crapmame" site was because he didn't read any documentation as to how the drum would be implemented in a cabinet or showcase.

 

 Well dave, thanks for that.   But really,  there are many flaws with it.   One being the mini-panel that hangs over the rest.    I just didnt care to redo it.    Does it look like crap..  sure..   but it actully was very comfortable  (nothing hit your crotch or even came close)..  and it would have been very functional should I have finished it.    Tho I changed my mind about the types of things I wanted.. such as wanting leaf sticks and some other things.   So, it will be re-designed as a sit-down at a later date - simular to unclets... but different in scale, design, and functionality.

 I realize the proto wasnt the best.. and  even more so as time has come and gone.   I built that  thing when marble paper was the rage here.    Art wasnt  printed anywhere.    Its older than dirt, and was designed even well before that.    I can appreciate someone doesnt like it..  thats fine to me.    In fact, I never cared what it looked like.  I just want to play all the games with
arcade controls,  without having to swap a damn thing..  and so thats what I came up with. 

 Im not angered that Im on the site..  Im more upset for the others actually.   And just the entire concept and reason behind it.    I used to be picked on a kid a lot..  so when I see others
getting the short end.. I will always come to defend against the offenders.
 

So, to simplify, why are you getting so mad - you should have known by my statements that I wasn't even talking about your panel.  The "two handlebar" remark was a coincidence, by the way, as I didn't memorize the controls on your drum.


  Again, Im not getting Mad.  Im merely defending my position.   Maybe miffed at best.  And.. no, theres no way I could know or not If you 'realized'..  which is why I put that "If you"  in there. 
Not that it matters..  as again.. this really isnt so much about me...as its about, 'in general'.  About treating others respectfully and equally well.   

 
As davieboynj said, you must be in some agreement to my point if you even went through the trouble of making your rotation contol panel.


 I do to a degree agree with your Opinions.  Yes.    But the way in which you worded things
was what I had a beef with.   As well as some other disagreements with opinions.  But again, the main issue..   is not you.  but the guy whos devoted a site to making his ego grow by kicking others down.

And, now seriously Xiaou, you really need to relax.  You're being a little irrational.  I'm sorry that guy didn't like your panel.  I'm sorry you can enjoy Centipede from a sharp angle while I can't.  It's one guy's opinion (not your definition, the dictionary's one).

 Dave,  dont tell me what to do.   Ive already told  you this before... that I dont follow your commands.

 Next, I am relaxed.  But again, am making my points clear.  Its your wording that is basically now feuling this thread.   Maybe you could take a re-read and see how it sounds from the other persons perspecitve and opposing views?   

 But thanks for the sympathy anyways.   Not so much as needed,  but Appreciated.

 

[krick]

 This is simular to your 2nd grader turning in thier art project and the teacher
Laughs at them, makes fun of how poorly its drawn,  calls the kid names,
uses profanity..etc.   

 Maybe thats what you do when your kids show thier art to you  KEV?
 

You mean like this? ... 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule2

[monkeybomb]

You mean like this? ... 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule2

lol

[KevSteele]

Heh...as perfect a counterpoint to CrapMAME as I've ever seen...

'cept we're all a little older than 4 years old (x10 in my case  )

CrapMAME does have constructive as well as destructive criticism, but perhaps the balance is a bit skewed...

I don't see it as much more than the "Razzies" of our hobby, with profanity added. If you post your cab in public, you gotta expect the occasional critic to take a dump on it.

The art of this sort of thing, though, is to trash a cab and still be funny enough that people don't mind, ala Triumph the Insult Dog, but I think he's even been banned from Montreal, so it's a fine line sometimes...

Kev

[versapak]

How about this DAVE,  I did read the site... and saw his cab.   He was definitely easier on his
own than the rest.    BUT DID YOU READ MY POST??   NopE.   I SAID THAT HE DOESNT HAVE THE
BRASS TO PUT HIS NEW  Cabinet up!!!!     AND HE DOESNT HAVE THE BRASS TO REVEAL HIMSELF.

I dunno if he has ever actually showed his "NEW  Cabinet ", but he didn't hide himself when his site first made its way to BYOAC. If you really want to know who he isepthegeek, then interest yourself in the search button up there, and go back to one of the earlier times that this site was mentioned here.

[DaveMMR]

Dave,  dont tell me what to do.   Ive already told  you this before... that I dont follow your commands.

 Next, I am relaxed.  But again, am making my points clear.  Its your wording that is basically now feuling this thread.   Maybe you could take a re-read and see how it sounds from the other persons perspecitve and opposing views?   

 But thanks for the sympathy anyways.   Not so much as needed,  but Appreciated.
 

Xiaou, no one's "ordering" you around.  It's a friendly suggestion.

Secondly, it's not "sympathy".  I don't "feel sorry" for you.  I liked your implementation and I don't see why a satirical jab should be the end of the world.  If you post anything on the internet, be it an essay, picture or project, it's going to be open to comments and critisism.  You kind of need to be a little thick-skined.  Once again - suggestion.

I worded my opinion boldly becuase I'm a firm believer in it.  Have you ever seen a political debate?  They don't stand there stroking puppy dogs talking in a soft, pleasant voice.  They can and do get heated.  Sometimes the only way to drive your point home is to word it strongly.

Now let's see if I can reiterate my point in a better, non-offensive to Xiaou way:

When I saw some examples being made fun of, I could understand that the creator may have faced some limitations (couldn't afford bigger monitor, not as much "know-how", etc.).  But when the project in question suffered from 'bad control panel layout', I really couldn't see any legitimate reason why that had to happen, outside from lack of caring (seriously).     

"I need a trackball - I don't care if it's not practical to put one and won't play comfortably."

"I need X amount of buttons - I don't care if they're not laid out logically".

"I need every control under the sun, and I don't want to have swapable/rotating panels - I don't care if it's a big, crazy mess and everything gets in the way of everything else."

"I need to never have to break out a keyboard - I don't care that my panel is soaked with buttons I'll use, like, once a month at best."

Sorry, but I stand by my harsh wording (edit: I reread my initial post - it's not even all that harsh).  A badly placed control is as good as no control at all.  It's not a personal attack on him or any other cab builder.  It's just something that can literally make-or-break your project, so I feel the need to say it bolder than any other opinion I express. 

Yes, a bad panel can be done over - but why should it be done wrong the first time?  All one needs to do is look at some sample control panels in KLOV or in a real-life arcade to realize, "Hey, joysticks are almost always on the left and buttons are laid out horizontally, not vertically.  Maybe there's a reason for that and I should stick to those basic rules".  It doesn't cost extra money and requires little to no skill.

_{*The preceding comments are the author's opinion and are not necessarily those of others.  These comments are not affiliated in any way with Xiaou2 or his project.}





 

[MaximRecoil]

I thought the site was a riot, and every time I clicked "next" at the bottom of the page I hoped I hadn't reached the end yet.

He may have gone a little overboard with the language but honestly, would his "Clear the runway..." comment have been as funny without the expletive? I mention that particular statement from him because every time that site gets brought up, people seem to get the biggest kick out of the "Pac-Matt" page. Not all of his expletives were used to good effect, but in that case at least, I think it was.

I linked that site to two female friends of mine who couldn't care less about arcade machines, and usually try to change the subject whenever I mention them, and they both thought it was funny. One of them said, "That site is as good as any mullet site!"

[NightGod]

   Davie,  you Miss the point entirely.     There may be better ways to play certain games.  Better ways to arrange things..    however..   these are often opinions really.   As not everyone shares the same opionions..   and its not right to DECLARE your OPIONION is the ABSOLUTE DIVINE TRUTH.     And certianly not right to bash others at thier expense because of their opionions and creations.

My opinions are the absolute divine truth and I frequently bash others who disagree with me.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

[missioncontrol]

sorry I'm late for the party....

Arcade82 please show us your cab or even part of your cab... in 7 years surely you have done something....

NO?

So you basically want to publically blast these people who have accomplished things, most likely contributed their experience afterwards to this very forum after learning what to do and what not to do and they what learned only so that you can make fun of it with nothing of your own to show.

These cabinets have been up on that site and floating around elsewhere for quite some time... there has been many changes come about after these cabinets were built, that if these cabinets were created now, they may be completely different...

Some of these people were possibly on a budget.. they built their dream, and you?

Oh yeah you are waiting for the lottery or an uncle to die to make you rich enough to make one...

I have been working on my cabinet for about 2 years, and it's not done, but it's started I know that it takes time and money and I'm usually short on both, but am willing to get it done little by little rather than wait and say "Yeah one day I'll build something" basically I have to say what a few others have stated...

let's see what you can do... time to put up or shut up...

 

[davieboynj]

Its your wording that is basically now fueling this thread.   Maybe you could take a re-read and see how it sounds from the other persons perspective and opposing views?   

Wanna know how to fuel a thread?  Every time someone disagrees with you, do a line by line critique of their message instead of a concise reply.  Pepper it with a bunch of misspellings and loads of emoticons.  Claim a monopoly on perspective.  For additional effect, contradict yourself a bunch. 

Oh, I see... you already got the memo.  nevermind...

[DaveMMR]

Its your wording that is basically now fueling this thread.   Maybe you could take a re-read and see how it sounds from the other persons perspective and opposing views?   

Wanna know how to fuel a thread?  Every time someone disagrees with you, do a line by line critique of their message instead of a concise reply.  Pepper it with a bunch of misspellings and loads of emoticons.  Claim a monopoly on perspective.  For additional effect, contradict yourself a bunch. 

Oh, I see... you already got the memo.  nevermind...

There is probably no better response I can think of than the one you just gave.   

I can't spend anymore time in this thread.  I have to go install my trackball under the coin door and arrange my action buttons into a smiley face with the joystick as a nose.     Check my PA thread to see how that turns out.