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Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« on: June 26, 2006, 08:25:21 pm »
What is the space restrictions per wiki page?
How do graphic elements impact the page? (Photos?)

The reason I ask, is this...
It would be cool if we could write up a wiki page when we submit an example.

This way in the future, if I change my ISP or move or whatever, the example still exists.

If space is an issue then the wiki definatly not the place for this.
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Re: Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 09:39:23 pm »
There aren't any *server* space restrictions to speak of, i.e. there's plenty of disk space. No idea on per page space. I'll poke around.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 11:16:08 pm »
This goes to a fundamental evaluation of the example site. I've always wanted to rip into it and fix it up so we don't have stale items, and the interface is more intuitive. As always, I find no time to actually do it. :)

Does anybody want to take a shot at it? It's written in PHP, and should stay that way. I'm sure we can work to get some of the details of the system worked out.

I don't know if the wiki is really the right place, but I'm open to suggestion. At the very least, we should have a convention for example pages (naming, template, etc.). The sooner we do that, the more viable the example system will be.

As for space enforcements, there are none. Just keep it sane.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 01:32:47 am »
There is a 32kb text "limit" per page, because some browsers may have problems with edit.

But you just got a warning about it, nothing other. But it good to hold under the limit, so it can been used by all browsers.
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Re: Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 08:28:21 am »
There is a 32kb text "limit" per page, because some browsers may have problems with edit.

But you just got a warning about it, nothing other. But it good to hold under the limit, so it can been used by all browsers.

So for pictures or graphics there is not an issue per page?
So we could have like 3 - 320 x 240 jpgs and perhaps 1 - 640 x 100 for a marquee header.
If folks are creative to put together a cab, then they probably can format a few pix per spec. 320 x 240 @ 72 dpi (for space respect. Or put a maximum size and somehow the page will format it to proper size. Then the viewer can click on a picture for a better look. It would seem smart to limit the number of pix per entry, or at least the total file sizes. Now just getting finished saying that, I think gosh it wuld be cool if we could have an area for video of if their cab blinks or moves or something, they can submit a video. Again they would have to get it into a format decided ahead of time. Quicktime (mpeg 4) seems to be about the best quality with the lowest bandwidth at this point. but I do not know if everyone can make that. But then again, if they coughed up 1500-2500 to make a cab then they can afford $30 for quicktime pro which will convert to any flavor they like.

Ok just some thoughts...

It would be great if the page looked like a flyer. so the marquee would be at the top and then text on the left and some pictures on the right.

The input

It would be nice if it was set up in a way that one could choose a bkg color, text color.

Then have a list of pull downs that related to the possibilities. Then a section for other so if someone has really done something out of the box, they could hilight that.

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Re: Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 08:39:29 am »
I think this is a stellar idea. Biggest problem with examples is the pace at which the links die, and I try to get mirrors and link to archive.org but that's problematic at best. I like this.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 09:14:54 am »
It only text, and it even accept text over 32kb. All you get is just a warning. It simpley becaues some browsers can
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 11:18:34 am »
Yeah, the biggest gain we have here is the stale link mitigation. We have to provide a way that most of the relevant content is maintained on our side, not on the destination side.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2006, 12:04:49 pm »
Im dosen't think we should stale all info from the userpages, but instead use a picture or 2 with a short distribtion. In my version this would been the best part of this for the both. I may been could been copyright issues (Yes, we do NOT have the copyrights of the Photos, or do I take fool?).
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 02:05:32 pm »
Space Fractal, I think that is the idea of moving forward. Not trying to go back to all the old stuff and update it.
If someone submitted a piece -w- pictures, then there is not an issue for copyright.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 04:05:09 pm »
For the new projects, yes, of course.

For all other projects would been fine, if they could been preserved here at arcadecontrols.com with some photes and some short destriptions (like I said before), before they defuct.

You can allways add a credits to the authoer of the cab.

But all contructions info would not being fitted in here, a url to the site should been used here.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2006, 04:12:08 pm »
defuct  ;D
(Used in a sentance) The site is defuct up.

Sorry, I know it is translation and you do pretty well. I thought that this was funny and somehow appropriate.
(Too close to another word.)
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 07:58:09 am »
Ah, forgot, So many questions get asked about cost, so a final line might be Total estimated cost.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2006, 10:09:14 am »
hm, what did you mean? It a great/steller idea. But I thinging the old date should been merging too with a photos and so on.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2006, 12:21:08 pm »
The utility I see in putting examples on the wiki is searching. If you search for "Lusid" or "Ultimate Arcade" you should be able to pull up a list of all cabinets using those plans.

I agree with SF in that all you need for the wiki is a short description, a picture or two, and a link to the project's home page, whether it is on the original page or a mirror here on BYOAC.

Right now, all we have is links.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2006, 03:32:03 pm »
Are you taling about the current links that we already have, or the projects that are submitted in the future?

I think that where I started to go (I had a total migration of thought), may be where the BYOAC site goes. Allow the user to input the info listed above, this builds a 1 page spread about their cab. This would appear and be hosted on the BYOAC site. This would prevent loss of links as they live here. Then a babysitter can take the new link and add it to the wiki page. (and perhaps this belongs on the site discussion thread)

As far as adding a 1 or 2 line description about the stuff we already have would be very labor intensive. This means going in and looking at every page then doing a write up about it. Yikes. The uprights alone took me many hours just to look and see if there was a site. Now, grabbing pix and writing up a short description...

Now, that all being said, perhaps Saint has all the submitted info when folks submitted their projects in the first place. I have no idea what kind of info it is or how to sift through it, but it might provide info that could be weeded out via one of Fractals or your utilities. This would ne so much easier to sit around a table and talk about. Watress, More cokes over here!!!
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2006, 03:52:25 pm »
If we could get all aviable pictures from saint in a zip file, it would been a lots easier and to complete. I think this tread now going a ping pong along wich examples Discussion? (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=55082.0). It now going to share idea between them.

We could doing in all other than upright page first, because they do not have SO many links, and wait with upright to the last.

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Have now linked or added pictures to all hall of fame links. One pictures is all it need to being fine (even if a link would been defucted, you can still see the picture).

All linked pictures is on arcadecontrols.com domain, but it seen to support external pictures as well. But is NOT recommed links to outside pictures (think about, if they defucted too?)

A description is not really need at all!
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A idea is to add a new tab with newly added cabinets with full detail.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2006, 05:58:51 pm »

Now, that all being said, perhaps Saint has all the submitted info when folks submitted their projects in the first place.


That is a freaking brilliant idea. There is some kind of form where you submit your project. If we can get the form data from Saint I can cook it up into some kind of searchable text.

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2006, 07:22:44 pm »
It's stored in a mysql database and is all still there. Interfacing with is something I wonder if Sirwoogie could cook up a solution for?
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2006, 11:03:28 pm »
If the project database is getting re-vamped, be it retro-active or just for new projects, we ought to add more categories that can be flagged by the builder.  Right now, all we've got are the ones on this page:
http://www.arcadecontrols.com/projectsearch.php

Right now, it's got:

  • "Upright", "Coctail" & "Desktop Controller", but not "Cockpit", "Bartop", or "Other"
  • "Arcade Monitor" & "TV", but not "VGA Monitor (CRT)", "LCD/TFT", "HDTV", "Plasma"
  • "Interface Type" could easily have checkboxes for the most common Ultimarc & GGG interfaces, as well as the AKI, SJC, Druin's, MK-64, etc., instead of allowing the builder to type in the interface type.  You know people will spell things differently, so that a search doesn't work right:  "I-Pac", "IPAC", I-Pac2", "Ultimarc I-Pac"...
  • And I could go on through the rest of the categories. 

Saint, if you want somebody to take a stab at updating the categories, I'll do it.

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Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 

Or if not an outright rating, maybe the ability to flag a projects they think are extra-extra-groovy.  That way, nobody gets a stinking "1 star" rating, but the really good and/or interesting projects still get some recogintion, and searches could target these cabs.  Hmm, maybe even a few separate flags, "Cool", "Innovative", "Unusual", etc. 

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2006, 12:15:03 am »
Yeah, the examples interface is EXTREMELY OLD. The code isn't much better, and there is absolutely no cleanup of the database from what I can see. Did I mention it was OLD?

There really isn't a great way to interface dynamic content in the Wiki without writing a bot that more or less ETL the stuff back and forth.

What I'd like to see in the example system is a cleaner interface, and the ability to upload some components of their cabinet, such as plans, the front page of their site on the cab, and pictures of the cab. That will help prevent stale links.

Find attached a dump of the examples database in MS Excel CSV format. If you need a more generic CSV file, let me know. The data gets munged by excel in generic format for some reason (and I'm to tired at the moment to figure it out).
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2006, 01:25:18 am »
This is what I would do. Writng a bot, that convert your file with each example, after they all are wikilinked.

When we run the bot, I med use a lots of traffic to get all examples, because it so many of them.

Buddabing or me would doing that.

Buddabing: If you made a utility, that create a single wikipage as a textfile, that create a generic text file for each project (using the name). I would merge your info with the "bot", so all pages would been synced in one go (I hope Im dosent use so much traffic on the server). Also autoupdated with wikilinked and your searchable info.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2006, 08:45:46 am »
<-- took out the examples database attachment for the moment. Be back soon... :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2006, 09:32:52 am »
My intention was to create data to go into a wiki page for each example.

Currently most of the examples are just links to the project's home page. My previous program converted that into two lines of text, a wikilink and the original link. What I want to do is to create some text on each project's wiki page which will come from the examples database.


For example, the wiki page currently might look like:

Code: [Select]
* [http://www.foo.com Project Foo]
* [http://www.bar.com Project Bar]

My current utility converts this into:
Code: [Select]
* [[Project Foo]]
[http://www.foo.com Home Page for Project Foo]
* [[Project Bar]]
[http://www.bar.com Home Page for Project Bar]

With the aid of the project database, it will be converted into: (added project details)
Code: [Select]
* [[Project Foo]]
[http://www.foo.com Home Page for Project Foo]
2 players
Custom Built Cocktail
Keyboard Hack
19" TV
S-Video
* [[Project Bar]]
[http://www.bar.com Home Page for Project Bar]
4 players
LuSid upright
I-Pac4
Wells Gardner 9200
ArcadeVGA

Then, a bot or a person (I could do this fairly easily with cut and paste) would click on each wikilink to create the wiki entry, paste the searchable text, and go on to the next one.

Truthfully, the program will be very easy to write and creating a bot will be more difficult than just manually updating each project wiki page. I work with CSVs all the time.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2006, 10:09:40 am »
By the way, the project search function is outdated. The fields currently in use can be seen on the project submission link (http://arcadecontrols.com/projectsubmit.php).  Adding categories is easy enough as well.
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2006, 10:50:11 am »
One thing that I would ask is that we make loud and clear in the New Project submission page...That project submissions should only be for completed projects, not the intention of perhaps doing a project.

  • "Interface Type" could easily have checkboxes for the most common Ultimarc & GGG interfaces, as well as the AKI, SJC, Druin's, MK-64, etc., instead of allowing the builder to type in the interface type.  You know people will spell things differently, so that a search doesn't work right:  "I-Pac", "IPAC", I-Pac2", "Ultimarc I-Pac"...
Perhaps a final tick box marked other with a form next to it. This way if there is something not on our scope, they can still add it.

Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 


I like this idea. Would it somehow do an average of all ratings?


I remember way back when I did my desktop project, that I was a little frustrated with the submission page because it felt very restrictive and boxed in. Now, speaking out my butt, as I do not know about building forms and php and all the look up stuff, so that being said... How hard would it be to give the user a bunch of different topics like the list -o- stuff I put earlier in the thread? To have the submission page actually generate not just a data file, but an actual page. So each submission has a "Flyer".

Then I will ask... How can I help? I know HTML, learning wiki, excellent at photoshop and graphics in general (part of what I do for a living). I am pretty sure that the form and function of the submission page is outside of the range of the HTML. But if the submission page generates data that then gets sucked into a template page, the template page needs to be designed. Yes? But then again I am rectumly speaking, and do not know the intricacies involved.
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Re: Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2006, 12:23:11 pm »
MYX, Made a example page in a talk page, how it could been setup. The layout must been done, before submitting all valid projects. or using the Template:Example to work with.

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Then, a bot or a person (I could do this fairly easily with cut and paste) would click on each wikilink to create the wiki entry, paste the searchable text, and go on to the next one.
Truthfully, the program will be very easy to write and creating a bot will be more difficult than just manually updating each project wiki page. I work with CSVs all the time.

No it not so hard than you trouch, because the bot simply not needed to click on the link. It simply open a page, that can edit the page automatic, let autohotscript add the text, and then submit.... Im going to made this part not. But I does wait until the design are finished, because it would the same design in all projects.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2006, 12:33:58 pm »
<-- took out the examples database attachment for the moment. Be back soon... :)

saw the file, but forgot to download it. Please PM it, otherwice I do not have a chage to convert it anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2006, 12:50:38 pm »
SirWoogie's going to post it again I believe - the version that was up was a corrupted .zip file.
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2006, 02:01:49 pm »
The bot is nearly finished. Only get submit to "work".

Autohotkey was not even needed.

All is processed by Blitz+ and is pretty safe, because can wait for the page is loaded finished and can run javascript in html gadget.

Sweet.

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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2006, 02:20:33 pm »
The Bot is now in the working order, And it now going to wikilinks all upright pages now (it on project 63). Autohotscript was not needed at all!

Buddaning: Can you convert the main upright mainpage, so it sync with the wikilinks? You allready made the utility, so I dont want to write one.

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2006, 02:24:28 pm »
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Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 

Or if not an outright rating, maybe the ability to flag a projects they think are extra-extra-groovy.  That way, nobody gets a stinking "1 star" rating, but the really good and/or interesting projects still get some recogintion, and searches could target these cabs.  Hmm, maybe even a few separate flags, "Cool", "Innovative", "Unusual", etc. 


I dislike the rating idea. We would get back into the whole Hall of Fame argument.

I don't mind having a template like we do for the vendors for people to say what they did or did not like about the projects and why they are extra groovy.

The ones with the most comments, whether good or bad, can be flagged as "interesting".
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2006, 02:29:44 pm »
Buddabing, would you like to update the main upright page? Otherwice I just use one of the utility, that allready converted it.

So you do safe some copy&paste time. It was a lots more simple than I trouch.

Look in the recent changes. It now a bit hell because the bot. Sorry about it.

Im also dosent like the rating system here yet. Im better lighe the hall of fame.
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2006, 02:29:51 pm »
Is the MAMEY award a BYOAC thing or an outside thing?

Buddabing, you have a good point, I wanna change my answer.
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2006, 02:34:51 pm »
The uprights are wikified.
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2006, 02:35:48 pm »
Great, Im running the bot again to get it finsihed.

Once I may need to doing that again, but first in the next week.

Please doing that in the otherpage as well, that didden
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2006, 02:46:51 pm »
The bot has to run to create the wiki page first, right? Otherwise the project link information will be lost.

Once your bot has run through all the links and created the wiki pages, I'll convert the links to wikilinks on the examples pages.

There are quite a few pages that show up in red in the examples, which means that the names don't always match up.

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2006, 02:47:52 pm »
Can my entries with the bot changed to a bots status? It would been sweet, if these many many entryes can been hided by the user. I forgot to change wpMinoredit to on. Sorry.

It all have a comment with BOT at the end.

It NOT finished yet. it still about 150 projects to do, because it stoppede on a cab, it diddent like.

Please wait.

I went back, when finished. Could not check the minor box.

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Upright page is now finished. It seen it missed about 4 cabinets.

I do wait to doing it on other page, because they have NOT chedked the links yet.

I also not wikilinks the deadpages.
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Im going to checking them now (Cocktal cabinets)
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2006, 03:14:43 pm »
Wow, that bot saved us a lot of time. I'll go back and see what happened to the other few projects.
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2006, 03:23:10 pm »
Cocktail is finished. Just update its mainpage.
Driving/Cockpit cabinets is wikilinked.
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