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Space restrictions??? Examples future.
« on: June 26, 2006, 08:25:21 pm »
What is the space restrictions per wiki page?
How do graphic elements impact the page? (Photos?)

The reason I ask, is this...
It would be cool if we could write up a wiki page when we submit an example.

This way in the future, if I change my ISP or move or whatever, the example still exists.

If space is an issue then the wiki definatly not the place for this.
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 09:39:23 pm »
There aren't any *server* space restrictions to speak of, i.e. there's plenty of disk space. No idea on per page space. I'll poke around.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 11:16:08 pm »
This goes to a fundamental evaluation of the example site. I've always wanted to rip into it and fix it up so we don't have stale items, and the interface is more intuitive. As always, I find no time to actually do it. :)

Does anybody want to take a shot at it? It's written in PHP, and should stay that way. I'm sure we can work to get some of the details of the system worked out.

I don't know if the wiki is really the right place, but I'm open to suggestion. At the very least, we should have a convention for example pages (naming, template, etc.). The sooner we do that, the more viable the example system will be.

As for space enforcements, there are none. Just keep it sane.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 01:32:47 am »
There is a 32kb text "limit" per page, because some browsers may have problems with edit.

But you just got a warning about it, nothing other. But it good to hold under the limit, so it can been used by all browsers.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 08:28:21 am »
There is a 32kb text "limit" per page, because some browsers may have problems with edit.

But you just got a warning about it, nothing other. But it good to hold under the limit, so it can been used by all browsers.

So for pictures or graphics there is not an issue per page?
So we could have like 3 - 320 x 240 jpgs and perhaps 1 - 640 x 100 for a marquee header.
If folks are creative to put together a cab, then they probably can format a few pix per spec. 320 x 240 @ 72 dpi (for space respect. Or put a maximum size and somehow the page will format it to proper size. Then the viewer can click on a picture for a better look. It would seem smart to limit the number of pix per entry, or at least the total file sizes. Now just getting finished saying that, I think gosh it wuld be cool if we could have an area for video of if their cab blinks or moves or something, they can submit a video. Again they would have to get it into a format decided ahead of time. Quicktime (mpeg 4) seems to be about the best quality with the lowest bandwidth at this point. but I do not know if everyone can make that. But then again, if they coughed up 1500-2500 to make a cab then they can afford $30 for quicktime pro which will convert to any flavor they like.

Ok just some thoughts...

It would be great if the page looked like a flyer. so the marquee would be at the top and then text on the left and some pictures on the right.

The input

It would be nice if it was set up in a way that one could choose a bkg color, text color.

Then have a list of pull downs that related to the possibilities. Then a section for other so if someone has really done something out of the box, they could hilight that.

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Orientation: Hoz, Vet, Rotatable
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 08:39:29 am »
I think this is a stellar idea. Biggest problem with examples is the pace at which the links die, and I try to get mirrors and link to archive.org but that's problematic at best. I like this.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 09:14:54 am »
It only text, and it even accept text over 32kb. All you get is just a warning. It simpley becaues some browsers can
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 11:18:34 am »
Yeah, the biggest gain we have here is the stale link mitigation. We have to provide a way that most of the relevant content is maintained on our side, not on the destination side.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2006, 12:04:49 pm »
Im dosen't think we should stale all info from the userpages, but instead use a picture or 2 with a short distribtion. In my version this would been the best part of this for the both. I may been could been copyright issues (Yes, we do NOT have the copyrights of the Photos, or do I take fool?).
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 02:05:32 pm »
Space Fractal, I think that is the idea of moving forward. Not trying to go back to all the old stuff and update it.
If someone submitted a piece -w- pictures, then there is not an issue for copyright.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 04:05:09 pm »
For the new projects, yes, of course.

For all other projects would been fine, if they could been preserved here at arcadecontrols.com with some photes and some short destriptions (like I said before), before they defuct.

You can allways add a credits to the authoer of the cab.

But all contructions info would not being fitted in here, a url to the site should been used here.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2006, 04:12:08 pm »
defuct  ;D
(Used in a sentance) The site is defuct up.

Sorry, I know it is translation and you do pretty well. I thought that this was funny and somehow appropriate.
(Too close to another word.)
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2006, 07:58:09 am »
Ah, forgot, So many questions get asked about cost, so a final line might be Total estimated cost.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2006, 10:09:14 am »
hm, what did you mean? It a great/steller idea. But I thinging the old date should been merging too with a photos and so on.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2006, 12:21:08 pm »
The utility I see in putting examples on the wiki is searching. If you search for "Lusid" or "Ultimate Arcade" you should be able to pull up a list of all cabinets using those plans.

I agree with SF in that all you need for the wiki is a short description, a picture or two, and a link to the project's home page, whether it is on the original page or a mirror here on BYOAC.

Right now, all we have is links.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2006, 03:32:03 pm »
Are you taling about the current links that we already have, or the projects that are submitted in the future?

I think that where I started to go (I had a total migration of thought), may be where the BYOAC site goes. Allow the user to input the info listed above, this builds a 1 page spread about their cab. This would appear and be hosted on the BYOAC site. This would prevent loss of links as they live here. Then a babysitter can take the new link and add it to the wiki page. (and perhaps this belongs on the site discussion thread)

As far as adding a 1 or 2 line description about the stuff we already have would be very labor intensive. This means going in and looking at every page then doing a write up about it. Yikes. The uprights alone took me many hours just to look and see if there was a site. Now, grabbing pix and writing up a short description...

Now, that all being said, perhaps Saint has all the submitted info when folks submitted their projects in the first place. I have no idea what kind of info it is or how to sift through it, but it might provide info that could be weeded out via one of Fractals or your utilities. This would ne so much easier to sit around a table and talk about. Watress, More cokes over here!!!
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2006, 03:52:25 pm »
If we could get all aviable pictures from saint in a zip file, it would been a lots easier and to complete. I think this tread now going a ping pong along wich examples Discussion? (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=55082.0). It now going to share idea between them.

We could doing in all other than upright page first, because they do not have SO many links, and wait with upright to the last.

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Have now linked or added pictures to all hall of fame links. One pictures is all it need to being fine (even if a link would been defucted, you can still see the picture).

All linked pictures is on arcadecontrols.com domain, but it seen to support external pictures as well. But is NOT recommed links to outside pictures (think about, if they defucted too?)

A description is not really need at all!
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A idea is to add a new tab with newly added cabinets with full detail.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2006, 05:58:51 pm »

Now, that all being said, perhaps Saint has all the submitted info when folks submitted their projects in the first place.


That is a freaking brilliant idea. There is some kind of form where you submit your project. If we can get the form data from Saint I can cook it up into some kind of searchable text.

I'll PM Saint.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2006, 07:22:44 pm »
It's stored in a mysql database and is all still there. Interfacing with is something I wonder if Sirwoogie could cook up a solution for?
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2006, 11:03:28 pm »
If the project database is getting re-vamped, be it retro-active or just for new projects, we ought to add more categories that can be flagged by the builder.  Right now, all we've got are the ones on this page:
http://www.arcadecontrols.com/projectsearch.php

Right now, it's got:

  • "Upright", "Coctail" & "Desktop Controller", but not "Cockpit", "Bartop", or "Other"
  • "Arcade Monitor" & "TV", but not "VGA Monitor (CRT)", "LCD/TFT", "HDTV", "Plasma"
  • "Interface Type" could easily have checkboxes for the most common Ultimarc & GGG interfaces, as well as the AKI, SJC, Druin's, MK-64, etc., instead of allowing the builder to type in the interface type.  You know people will spell things differently, so that a search doesn't work right:  "I-Pac", "IPAC", I-Pac2", "Ultimarc I-Pac"...
  • And I could go on through the rest of the categories. 

Saint, if you want somebody to take a stab at updating the categories, I'll do it.

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Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 

Or if not an outright rating, maybe the ability to flag a projects they think are extra-extra-groovy.  That way, nobody gets a stinking "1 star" rating, but the really good and/or interesting projects still get some recogintion, and searches could target these cabs.  Hmm, maybe even a few separate flags, "Cool", "Innovative", "Unusual", etc. 

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2006, 12:15:03 am »
Yeah, the examples interface is EXTREMELY OLD. The code isn't much better, and there is absolutely no cleanup of the database from what I can see. Did I mention it was OLD?

There really isn't a great way to interface dynamic content in the Wiki without writing a bot that more or less ETL the stuff back and forth.

What I'd like to see in the example system is a cleaner interface, and the ability to upload some components of their cabinet, such as plans, the front page of their site on the cab, and pictures of the cab. That will help prevent stale links.

Find attached a dump of the examples database in MS Excel CSV format. If you need a more generic CSV file, let me know. The data gets munged by excel in generic format for some reason (and I'm to tired at the moment to figure it out).
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2006, 01:25:18 am »
This is what I would do. Writng a bot, that convert your file with each example, after they all are wikilinked.

When we run the bot, I med use a lots of traffic to get all examples, because it so many of them.

Buddabing or me would doing that.

Buddabing: If you made a utility, that create a single wikipage as a textfile, that create a generic text file for each project (using the name). I would merge your info with the "bot", so all pages would been synced in one go (I hope Im dosent use so much traffic on the server). Also autoupdated with wikilinked and your searchable info.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2006, 08:45:46 am »
<-- took out the examples database attachment for the moment. Be back soon... :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2006, 09:32:52 am »
My intention was to create data to go into a wiki page for each example.

Currently most of the examples are just links to the project's home page. My previous program converted that into two lines of text, a wikilink and the original link. What I want to do is to create some text on each project's wiki page which will come from the examples database.


For example, the wiki page currently might look like:

Code: [Select]
* [http://www.foo.com Project Foo]
* [http://www.bar.com Project Bar]

My current utility converts this into:
Code: [Select]
* [[Project Foo]]
[http://www.foo.com Home Page for Project Foo]
* [[Project Bar]]
[http://www.bar.com Home Page for Project Bar]

With the aid of the project database, it will be converted into: (added project details)
Code: [Select]
* [[Project Foo]]
[http://www.foo.com Home Page for Project Foo]
2 players
Custom Built Cocktail
Keyboard Hack
19" TV
S-Video
* [[Project Bar]]
[http://www.bar.com Home Page for Project Bar]
4 players
LuSid upright
I-Pac4
Wells Gardner 9200
ArcadeVGA

Then, a bot or a person (I could do this fairly easily with cut and paste) would click on each wikilink to create the wiki entry, paste the searchable text, and go on to the next one.

Truthfully, the program will be very easy to write and creating a bot will be more difficult than just manually updating each project wiki page. I work with CSVs all the time.

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2006, 10:09:40 am »
By the way, the project search function is outdated. The fields currently in use can be seen on the project submission link (http://arcadecontrols.com/projectsubmit.php).  Adding categories is easy enough as well.
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2006, 10:50:11 am »
One thing that I would ask is that we make loud and clear in the New Project submission page...That project submissions should only be for completed projects, not the intention of perhaps doing a project.

  • "Interface Type" could easily have checkboxes for the most common Ultimarc & GGG interfaces, as well as the AKI, SJC, Druin's, MK-64, etc., instead of allowing the builder to type in the interface type.  You know people will spell things differently, so that a search doesn't work right:  "I-Pac", "IPAC", I-Pac2", "Ultimarc I-Pac"...
Perhaps a final tick box marked other with a form next to it. This way if there is something not on our scope, they can still add it.

Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 


I like this idea. Would it somehow do an average of all ratings?


I remember way back when I did my desktop project, that I was a little frustrated with the submission page because it felt very restrictive and boxed in. Now, speaking out my butt, as I do not know about building forms and php and all the look up stuff, so that being said... How hard would it be to give the user a bunch of different topics like the list -o- stuff I put earlier in the thread? To have the submission page actually generate not just a data file, but an actual page. So each submission has a "Flyer".

Then I will ask... How can I help? I know HTML, learning wiki, excellent at photoshop and graphics in general (part of what I do for a living). I am pretty sure that the form and function of the submission page is outside of the range of the HTML. But if the submission page generates data that then gets sucked into a template page, the template page needs to be designed. Yes? But then again I am rectumly speaking, and do not know the intricacies involved.
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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2006, 12:23:11 pm »
MYX, Made a example page in a talk page, how it could been setup. The layout must been done, before submitting all valid projects. or using the Template:Example to work with.

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Then, a bot or a person (I could do this fairly easily with cut and paste) would click on each wikilink to create the wiki entry, paste the searchable text, and go on to the next one.
Truthfully, the program will be very easy to write and creating a bot will be more difficult than just manually updating each project wiki page. I work with CSVs all the time.

No it not so hard than you trouch, because the bot simply not needed to click on the link. It simply open a page, that can edit the page automatic, let autohotscript add the text, and then submit.... Im going to made this part not. But I does wait until the design are finished, because it would the same design in all projects.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2006, 12:33:58 pm »
<-- took out the examples database attachment for the moment. Be back soon... :)

saw the file, but forgot to download it. Please PM it, otherwice I do not have a chage to convert it anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2006, 12:50:38 pm »
SirWoogie's going to post it again I believe - the version that was up was a corrupted .zip file.
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2006, 02:01:49 pm »
The bot is nearly finished. Only get submit to "work".

Autohotkey was not even needed.

All is processed by Blitz+ and is pretty safe, because can wait for the page is loaded finished and can run javascript in html gadget.

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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2006, 02:20:33 pm »
The Bot is now in the working order, And it now going to wikilinks all upright pages now (it on project 63). Autohotscript was not needed at all!

Buddaning: Can you convert the main upright mainpage, so it sync with the wikilinks? You allready made the utility, so I dont want to write one.

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2006, 02:24:28 pm »
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Totally seperate suggestion:  How about allowing site viewers to "Rate" a project, 1-5 stars or somesuch.  I know, some people might get their feelings hurt, but it would also allow database searchers to skip a lot of the ho-hum projects. 

Or if not an outright rating, maybe the ability to flag a projects they think are extra-extra-groovy.  That way, nobody gets a stinking "1 star" rating, but the really good and/or interesting projects still get some recogintion, and searches could target these cabs.  Hmm, maybe even a few separate flags, "Cool", "Innovative", "Unusual", etc. 


I dislike the rating idea. We would get back into the whole Hall of Fame argument.

I don't mind having a template like we do for the vendors for people to say what they did or did not like about the projects and why they are extra groovy.

The ones with the most comments, whether good or bad, can be flagged as "interesting".
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2006, 02:29:44 pm »
Buddabing, would you like to update the main upright page? Otherwice I just use one of the utility, that allready converted it.

So you do safe some copy&paste time. It was a lots more simple than I trouch.

Look in the recent changes. It now a bit hell because the bot. Sorry about it.

Im also dosent like the rating system here yet. Im better lighe the hall of fame.
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2006, 02:29:51 pm »
Is the MAMEY award a BYOAC thing or an outside thing?

Buddabing, you have a good point, I wanna change my answer.
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2006, 02:34:51 pm »
The uprights are wikified.
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2006, 02:35:48 pm »
Great, Im running the bot again to get it finsihed.

Once I may need to doing that again, but first in the next week.

Please doing that in the otherpage as well, that didden
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2006, 02:46:51 pm »
The bot has to run to create the wiki page first, right? Otherwise the project link information will be lost.

Once your bot has run through all the links and created the wiki pages, I'll convert the links to wikilinks on the examples pages.

There are quite a few pages that show up in red in the examples, which means that the names don't always match up.

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2006, 02:47:52 pm »
Can my entries with the bot changed to a bots status? It would been sweet, if these many many entryes can been hided by the user. I forgot to change wpMinoredit to on. Sorry.

It all have a comment with BOT at the end.

It NOT finished yet. it still about 150 projects to do, because it stoppede on a cab, it diddent like.

Please wait.

I went back, when finished. Could not check the minor box.

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Upright page is now finished. It seen it missed about 4 cabinets.

I do wait to doing it on other page, because they have NOT chedked the links yet.

I also not wikilinks the deadpages.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2006, 03:14:43 pm »
Wow, that bot saved us a lot of time. I'll go back and see what happened to the other few projects.
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2006, 03:23:10 pm »
Cocktail is finished. Just update its mainpage.
Driving/Cockpit cabinets is wikilinked.
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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2006, 03:34:13 pm »
The mainpage for cocktail cabinets has been wikified.

None of these wiki pages have a "Go back to Examples" or "Go back to Cocktail Cabinets". Should there be templates for those? If so, can the bot go back and put that in?
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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2006, 03:46:45 pm »
I wait with that, when the examples with full detail with the database is maded. I would NOT been updated all projects 3 times.

I have also PM a message to SAINT, so the bot entries can get a "patrolled" status, so it can been hided by the user in recent changes page (so the users dosent overhelm with the bot changes with is NOT god.

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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2006, 04:11:16 pm »
Since I tied the username/password system to the forum, there isn't a great way to have a wiki-only account for the wiki. So, I suggest if you want to run a bot, register an account on the forum, but prefix it with "bot-" and put whatever you want after the "-" Use this account on the wiki, and I will flag it as a bot for future updates. Be sure when you register you use a valid email as that is required for the account validation.
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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2006, 04:34:09 pm »
I do that.

I have register a new username (bot-spacefractal). I got the email, but no valid link.

Can you move allready bot submitted entrys into the new username, so they can been flagged as a bot?

Im also only saw the excel file, but did not download that. I guess it Buddabing, that made all examples pages with using txt files, and I bot submit them after it.

Sorry Im didden't wait, before to late (but it saved a lots of copy&paste trivel). All bot entry was added with "Wikilinked by Space Fractal
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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2006, 07:24:08 pm »
Done. All my BOT entryes is now marked  as patrolled edits(so they can been hided), after I saw it could been marked with using the curid from the recent page.

In the future it better to use the new username, so it auto marked as a bot.
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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2006, 09:32:13 pm »
Is the MAMEY award a BYOAC thing or an outside thing?

Buddabing, you have a good point, I wanna change my answer.

MAMEY's are an outside thing, Zakk runs that show. 

I kind of agree about the 1-5 ratings getting us into a Hall-Of-Fame kind of arguement again, that's what led me to the category flags.  That way, nobody gets told their cab sucks, or that it is the Greatest Cab Ever, either.  If nobody's handing out awards (either MAMEY's or CrapMAMEY's) then nobody needs to get their panties all in a bunch.  But searches could still pull cabs with a lot of "Unusual" flags, or "Ground-Breaking" flags, or just "Cool" flags. 

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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2006, 09:57:54 am »
Done. All my BOT entryes is now marked  as patrolled edits(so they can been hided), after I saw it could been marked with using the curid from the recent page.

In the future it better to use the new username, so it auto marked as a bot.

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Please run your bot on the Bartop/Countertop section, too. I'll do the driving/cockpit cabinets with my program.

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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2006, 10:14:47 am »
I can't doing that now, because I'm must make sure sirwoogie have flagged this new username as a bot. When this is done, Im doing that. All bot sumbitted from me should been maked as a bot.
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2006, 01:46:53 pm »
I can't doing that now, because I'm must make sure sirwoogie have flagged this new username as a bot. When this is done, Im doing that. All bot sumbitted from me should been maked as a bot.

Hoping got the bot status for the new username soon. coming back in about few hours. Im also checked all links on desktoplinks.

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SirWoogie, did you change the status?

I will wait to bot submit, before got a green light.

So to Buddabing: I havent doing that now, but would doing when the bot got the bot status.
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2006, 05:16:30 pm »
I can still see changes made by "bot-spacefractal", even if "hide bots" is checked.
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2006, 05:25:36 pm »
It was just a test, because I should logged in in the wiki, and not in forum (wich sirwoogie asked me to doing that).

To make sure Im was logged in as wiki, I made a entry. I have sent a pm after that, but have not heard back now....
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2006, 06:20:42 pm »
It should be set now

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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2006, 07:00:35 pm »
It works! Thanks. I Have not now bot submitted Desktop_controls, that all have been wikilinked.

And of course I used the simple skin to save traffic and graphics for the bot-spacefractal. It look a bit funny in the small preview window, but it good, so I can see what the bot is doing (it replace the text using javacript, since Blitz+ support running javascript in the html gadget via activeX).

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The design could look like one, used in the jukebox section.

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How to delete pages (would still to need to delete unused pages), now they had a {{delete}} tag.

I found 3 example page with bartop, wich
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Bartop/Countertop
was the right url.

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Bartop_/_Countertop
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Bartop Examples Countertop (if remembed correct)

was both wrong.

That was not need to botsubmit barttop section, since buddaning allready did that, but the mainpage got a wrong url.

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« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2006, 07:20:11 am »
my bot was working.

Thanks to sirwoogie for deleting the dobbles pages (bartop/countertop did have trible pages).

Buddabing, can you run your utility on this page?
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« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2006, 09:27:48 am »
Done. The desktop page project links are now wikilinks.

I did not get the example database from sirwoogie. Saint deleted it before I could snag the file. He said it was "corrupted".
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« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2006, 10:24:51 am »
The .zip file was unzippable.  SirWoogie said he'd pull another copy :)
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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2006, 10:27:40 am »
Now we should shine the examples pages (of course I would do that automatic with the both on all projects) with back links and all. The pictures should after mine mind in the bottom of the above data, since they can have "any" size, if they are arviable.

Some pictures is even in the arcadecontrols.com domain, wich is just easier to link to, instead of uploading.

But it would been easier to design the page after the data, sirwoogie have. It so the first mainpage, translated directly to the wiki.

Hmm, whould bot-spacefractal have any bot status (even I have 3 posts in forum, one was a mistake)?

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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2006, 12:08:53 pm »
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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2006, 02:20:36 pm »
Thanks too. It contain lots of info, that can been conveted to the wiki.

Now wipeout a example template:
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Template:Example

Buddabing, I think you should convert the file into text files (using the realname, not by links). I would wipeout a new bot, that use your files. Im of course use the bot username.

Some can been spawned to, example the OS, that can been on one line.

The destription is even that I looked for. It all here.

But for the start, only valid links would been converted, and later those with deadlinks.
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« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2006, 04:05:09 pm »
I have added a design, how it could look.

I may also add a simple comment field, wich sould only contalt comment to the project, or so on. It shoud been based on the vendor template review.
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« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2006, 10:15:31 am »
I can convert the spreadsheet into a text file which uses the template you supplied and contains text for each project.

How would you take the text for each project and copy it into each individual wiki page? Via the bot?
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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2006, 12:12:55 pm »
Using the bot of course, since there are LOTS of projects.

First they should converted into the text file in each project (hince you should doing that first).

The next is the text file should look like a wiki page (so my bot is only require to read and upload the page).

The text files is based on the project name.

The only bad thing, is the picture. These may manually need to been uploaded, but it would have thier place in a table. So it dosent much up, even it have a picture or not. It not required to due with all projects, but it would been fine. What do we here?


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« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2006, 05:50:31 pm »
Here is the output of my program on the first two projects:

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[[saint's Dream Machine]]
{| Width="100" valign="top" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3"
|- valign="top"
|
* '''Project Type:''' Upright Arcade Cabinet
* '''Construction Method:'''  Unclassified
* '''Monitor Type:'''  Unclassified
* '''Interface Type:''' Unclassified
* '''Special Controls:''' None
* '''OS:'''  Unclassified
* '''Homepage:'''  arcade_mydream.htm
|}
<br style="clear:both;"/>
== Additional Details ==
Mostly vaporware at the moment.  Lots of thoughts and parts, nothing built.  I\'m still claiming #1 though :)
{|border="0" width="80%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="Left" style="border:1px silver solid;"
|[[Examples|Go Back to Examples]]
|}
<br style="clear:both;"/>
{|border="0" width="80%" cellspacing="8" cellpadding="2" border="0" align="Left" style="text-align:left;border:1px silver solid; background:#EEEEEE;"
<!-- *** Please do not adjust any thing above this line. Your Information starts here. *** -->
!width="120"|Comment By <!--Do not modify this please.-->
|Your Name <!--Remove "Your name" and type your name-->
|-
! valign="top"|Comments
| Your Comments <!-- Remove "Your Comments" and type your review. -->
|-
|}
[[MAME HAM]]
{| Width="100" valign="top" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3"
|- valign="top"
|
* '''Project Type:''' Upright Arcade Cabinet
* '''Construction Method:'''  Converted
* '''Monitor Type:'''  Unclassified
* '''Interface Type:''' Unclassified
* '''Special Controls:''' None
* '''OS:'''  Windows
* '''Homepage:'''  http://www.arcadepinball.com/basement/mameham/index.htm
|}
<br style="clear:both;"/>
== Additional Details ==
MAME Home Arcade Machine - the first hacked arcade cabinet.  Powerramp MITE hack.
{|border="0" width="80%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="Left" style="border:1px silver solid;"
|[[Examples|Go Back to Examples]]
|}
<br style="clear:both;"/>
{|border="0" width="80%" cellspacing="8" cellpadding="2" border="0" align="Left" style="text-align:left;border:1px silver solid; background:#EEEEEE;"
<!-- *** Please do not adjust any thing above this line. Your Information starts here. *** -->
!width="120"|Comment By <!--Do not modify this please.-->
|Your Name <!--Remove "Your name" and type your name-->
|-
! valign="top"|Comments
| Your Comments <!-- Remove "Your Comments" and type your review. -->
|-
|}

I tried a sample wiki page and the bullets don't line up on the left.

Let me know what changes I need to make to get the wiki code lined up right.
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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2006, 05:49:08 am »
The design format, this is not needed. It only a pure text format like this:

Upright Arcade Cabinet
Unclassified
Unclassified
Unclassified
None
Unclassified
arcade_mydream.htm

== Additional Details ==
Destription.

It seen you missing a % in 100 (Width="100" -> Width="100%"). This mean you used 100pixtures instead id 100% This is why you have the trouble with the bullets.

And it seen you have removed the sample pictures? Why? If there are no pictures, it just not shown anyone.

It for me totally easy to use copy & replace in text field.
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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2006, 09:45:48 am »
Okay, I took out the formatting part and I put in the picture URL. There is a blank line in a large percentage of the projects.

Here's what it looks like now:

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[[saint's Dream Machine]]
Upright Arcade Cabinet
Unclassified
Unclassified
Unclassified

Unclassified

arcade_mydream.htm
== Additional Details ==
Mostly vaporware at the moment.  Lots of thoughts and parts, nothing built.  I\'m still claiming #1 though :)
[[MAME HAM]]
Upright Arcade Cabinet
Converted
Unclassified
Game Port
Trackball 
Windows

http://www.arcadepinball.com/basement/mameham/index.htm
== Additional Details ==
MAME Home Arcade Machine - the first hacked arcade cabinet.  Powerramp MITE hack.
[[Arcade@Home]]
Upright Arcade Cabinet
Converted
Unclassified
Keyboard Hack
Trackball 
Windows

http://www.arcadeathome.com/
== Additional Details ==
The Arcade@Home project is not only an arcade cabinet hack, it\'s also home of one of the most popular front-ends in the emulation scene.


There's still a few things I want to change, such as smarter text formatting and trying to remove the embedded HTML.
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2006, 11:04:09 am »
I see the following HTML tags in the examples. Suggestions are welcome regarding what to do with them.

<ol> </ol>
<li> </li>
<P> <p>
<i> </i>
<br>
<a> </a>
<img>
<center> </center>

I also need to replace \"" with " and replace \' with '.
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2006, 11:36:10 am »
Okay, the code is modified and an output is attached (rename .txt to .zip).
I am doing the following global text replacements in the project descriptions.

<li> becomes * and a space
</li> is removed
<ol> and </ol> are removed
<p>, <P>, and <br> replaced with newlines
<i> and </i> are replaced with ''' (three single quotes)
<center> and </center> are removed
\"" (two double quotes) is replaced with " (one double quote)
\' is replaced with '

The anchor and image HTML tags are not changed. There are relatively few of them.

EDIT: removed attachment
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« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2006, 12:32:52 pm »
It look like fine  :D. it Fine if some element is empty, like a monitor can
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« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2006, 12:47:07 pm »
Okay, done.

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« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2006, 01:06:57 pm »
got it, and works.

 It seen I forgot it to translate it to english. It was used for a game projekt, My and a frield is doing made on a another secret url. It not finished yet.

Im look it on tonight or tomorrow. And then I use my wikibot.
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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2006, 11:39:43 am »
Here we go!

My bot is now going to submit about 700 projects! It took some time to write it, because Blitz+ seen to have some limits.

It of course use the bot username.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2006, 01:02:49 pm »
May I suggest before you start that you put these in an appropriate category? That way the search will work on these better.

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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2006, 01:19:08 pm »
hm, diddent do that. Sorry.

But How do I add categories?

The bot is now finsished (about 670 projects), but it have only updated exists examples with valid links (and was allready exists on the page). The bot was used the simple skin, wich use a lots fewer traffic than the standard skin.

Can I update the page again with changing category directly on the url?

If Yes, Im would doing that (running the bot again, only to update category)!

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It seen I need resubmit all pages again? Im been glad I used the bot username!

There was also few bugs, if a pictures was used in the distriptions.

Im simply update them again, but wait to tommorow.
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2006, 01:39:10 pm »
arrhhh. your right.

 Im out in about a hour, there was few bugs with some pictures, that was in the destriptions, and few problems with some back links.

These need to being fixed, before Im doing that again.

I was not known there was category, wich of course should been used for the search engine.

It ok Im doing that again? But examples now works, and it look very fine with most of them.

Glad I got the bot status with the new username, so these dosent overhelm the recent page!
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« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2006, 05:36:29 pm »
It seen there comming few projects in this week. I guess we should add them to the wiki, and use this as the examples page.

by now I update all valid projects with valid links, later I would do the same with deadlinks.

I must running the bot again. The category is now added, wich should been added in other pages as well.

It lots easier to search after other projects as well.

By im been sorry to run the bot again, but some bugs in my application is now fixes, so please do NOT remove the pictures from the examples and new folders.

If they can been find, they would been used (these pictures diddent show correct). it on the domain, so they should not been defunct.

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« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2006, 11:46:28 am »
Wonder if there might be something up with the script.  There are two entries for "Chris's MAME Cabinet"... they both have my link, but the information is not mine.  Does the bot get confused if two entries have the same name?

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« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2006, 12:01:32 pm »
Yep, there was 2, that share the same name (but the other has a other name in the homepage). It not good, since it of course updated the page twice (wich came with the last entry of course).

I cant check every name on all projects,

The second one got a wrong name. I reupdate them again with correct name.

http://webpages.charter.net/celamantia/mamecab/ should been yours?

An error on the database.....

It manually fixed.
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