Author Topic: MOD: Suzo Universal Inductive (Read 30703 times)

kowal · « **on:** May 12, 2006, 03:58:28 pm »

Suzo Inductive Controler this splendid joystick to shumps and fighter 2D. I am careful that it is better from P360. Problem this joystick this horrid stick. It he was it been possible was however to alter. The original stick has on end the characteristic alloy of metal. I thought that it is necessary to joystick he acted correctly. Not it gave oneself to take off him. I decided to make from stainless steel usual handles. After their eying joystick recorded diagonals bad. I found however potentiometers in PCB. It it was it been possible was for their help to adjust joystick both on axises X and Y. It will give to enlarge or to reduce him tenderness. I regulated him almost 2h. And it was successful me. It acts perfect on usual handles from stainless steel.

horseboy · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2006, 04:54:26 pm »

OMG. I see that he put a balltop on the otherwise butt-ugly suzo inductive stick. That is all i know, though. We really need someone to step up and learn Polish really quick.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2006, 06:45:44 pm »

So just to clarify, are you basically saying that the magnetic ring at the end of the standard shaft is not needed as long as you adjust the potentiometers to compensate?

If you are then that's an awesome discovery but it does beg one question. Why on earth did Suzo fit the magnet in the first place? Presumably it must add significantly to the cost of production. Is there any downside to using the joystick without the magnet?

Also, would you be interested in selling some of those custom shafts you've had made?

ChadTower · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2006, 06:59:37 pm »

He reduced tenderness on his shaft.

RetroJames · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2006, 08:57:57 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on May 12, 2006, 06:59:37 pm

He reduced tenderness on his shaft.

horseboy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2006, 09:03:18 pm »

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He reduced tenderness on his shaft.

Level42 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2006, 04:14:18 am »

Mmmm, instead of making fun of Kowal's English (did you read his signature ?) I'd be more interested of WHAT he is trying to say, rather then HOW.
I'm from Holland and English is not my native language so I must screw up sometimes as well, but please don't let's scare people away of sharing information just because of the language barrier.

If you use just a bit more than the usual braincells you are used to use, you will understand what he's saying:

1) (most important) The Suzo Inductive is one hellofa joystick and better than the p360
2) he doesn't like the looks of the original shaft (for me, it's a bit like sex: looks are nice, but what you FEEL counts

So I'm perfectly happy with the originals personaly

3) It's possible to replace the original shaft with another one WITHOUT using the magnetic material (it's not a magnet itself) that is originaly on the end of the shaft
4) you need to tweak the pots to make it work

Since I'm perfectly happy with the original shaft, I've thought about replacing it only once and discarded it right away because of the magnetic ring problem.
What you'd expect you need to do to get this work is reduce the diameter of the end of the replacement shaft. You'll need the tools and skill to do this.
Then you can TRY to remove the magnet ring from the original shaft. I doubt this can be done without actualy damaging the ring itself. As far as I know Suzo, they've made sure it will stay on forever.
All quite risky and too much hassle for most of us I think. Thus it was very low on my priority list.

So, Kowals experimenting is interesting info and I'm glad he shared it with us whilst knowing his English is like a Hong-Kong bootleg game manual.

horseboy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:09:59 am »

Actually, I wasn't making fun of Kowal's english at all. In my first post all I said was that we needed someone to learn Polish so that we could understand the post better. I as well appreciate him sharing the info.

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He reduced tenderness on his shaft.

I laughed my

off at this, but Kowal didn't say it. ChadTower did.

Sorry for any confusion, but I just wanted to understand the post a little bit more, but I guess you did a little of that. Thanks

for doing that, but I am sure that there is a little more detail in there that even you aren't understanding.

kowal · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:56:14 am »

Quote from: Grasshopper on May 12, 2006, 06:45:44 pm

So just to clarify, are you basically saying that the magnetic ring at the end of the standard shaft is not needed as long as you adjust the potentiometers to compensate?

Exactly. it was it been possible to enlarge the intensity of magnetical field. This original magnet will not be necessary then. It regulating potentiometer, it was it been possible was to put optimum. For handle from any metal

Quote from: Grasshopper on May 12, 2006, 06:45:44 pm

Also, would you be interested in selling some of those custom shafts you've had made?

to send money here heavily to Polish. They are cost sale large. I would can do sticks balltop to any joysticks, Happsuper, Competion, P360, T - stick... Polish Pay Pal makes impossible payment

. I would have to have account in England or USA.
You can it to execute alone or to charge someone work. Dimensions be passed.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2006, 09:14:21 am »

A pity. I thought Poland might have started using euros by now but maybe that's still a few years down the line.

Anyway, it occurs to me that perhaps the GGG Versa-ball shafts could be used instead if the c-clip on the inductive's shaft is the same position as the clip on the standard Suzo 500.

Level42 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2006, 11:55:21 am »

To horseboy: Ok it's cool, maybe I overreacted a bit too

To Kowal: Actualy, you can receive money far more easy than using PayPal. Within the EEC it is possible to do bank transfers under

horseboy · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2006, 12:34:58 pm »

By the way, Level42, I have read quite a few of your posts, and if you wouldn't have mentioned it I would never have guessed that English wasn't your native language. Let's hope Kowal knows some German so you can get this translated.

Level42 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:43:10 pm »

Horseboy, thanks that's a very big compliment

Guess it's a combination of having worked at Shell for a couple of years, reading lots and lots of English magazines, internet sites and forums and a tiny bit of talent

The fact that foreign programs are always subtitled on TV here helps too. Unconsciously, you hear a lot of English that way.

I think it's an easy language to learn by the way, but I still regret that it was only one vote that elected English as the official language in the US. Else we would all be talking Dutch now here !

Let's get back on-topic Sorry

kowal · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2006, 02:03:39 pm »

I have first to buy balls from Sanwa

when I am get ball, then we will think

Grasshopper · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2006, 04:06:49 pm »

So you've cut the thread to accept Sanwa/Seimitsu balls. That's a good idea. I've always wondered why RandyT didn't do that with his versaball shafts.

specfire · « **Reply #15 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:04:55 pm »

Well, the end of the shaft is not a magnet, it is ferrite

I suspect that the main coil around the center opening on the PCB is generating a constant oscillation (AC current). This then temporarily "magnetizes" the ferrite ring on the end of the joystick shaft. As the magnetized ferrite ring oscillates, a current is then induced into one or more of the eight smaller coils.

These smaller coils seem to be set in pairs corresponding to Top, Bottom, Right, Left. Comparisons are then made between the current strength in each coil, thereby determining the exact joystick position.

The adjustment pot simply cuts off the diagonal signal below a certain (adjustable) threshold. This results in a range of diagonals from very wide to none.

Any ferrous compound, such as a steel joystick shaft, would have the same effect but would be MUCH less sensitive and the result might be a narrower adjustment range, less sensitive movement, or the joystick not "engaging" until nearer the maximum throw.

If kowal is going for a single setting for just 2D fighters and shoot-em up's, then the loss in sensitivity might be OK. If you are going for a fully adjustable "do-it-all" stick, then I don't think this mod would be that desireable.

spec

kowal · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2006, 05:16:39 am »

Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:04:55 pm

If kowal is going for a single setting for just 2D fighters and shoot-em up's, then the loss in sensitivity might be OK

To shumps joystick should be sensitivity. sensitivity and short throw this the most important parameters near shumps. Therefore I do not play on joystick Sanwa, they are not sensitivity

Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:04:55 pm

]If you are going for a fully adjustable "do-it-all" stick, then I don't think this mod would be that desireable

I made modifications to to exchange ugly stick, I did not want to alter parameters. After adjusting of potentiometers he acts identically how on original stick, engagement follows on 3 degree.

specfire · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:21:38 am »

I'm glad you were able to adjust the other pots so that the overall action is the same. It does seem strange to me that the same performance can be achieved, since the ferrite ring added cost to the production of these sticks. If it didn't add additional function, why did Suzo put a ferrite ring on in the first place?

kowal · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:57:31 am »

Ring should be theoretically. Ring assures better balancing-pole. Magnetical field acts evenly. If we will take off him this we lose this balancing-pole. I without ring had anomalies (asymmetric engagement, bad diagonals). It been possible balancing-pole to regain-regulating potentiometers.
Ring should be. Possible it is however adjusting joystick to he acted without ring.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:36:06 pm »

Kowal, I've just been checking Farnell's site and they sell a wide range of ferrite rings (see here). It occurs to me that you could change the design of your replacement handles so that they can be fitted with one of Farnell's ferrite rings.

Do you have the equivalent of Farnell in Poland?

kowal · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2006, 03:13:33 pm »

http://www.cyfronika.com.pl/e/store/easyshop.cgi?vid=vbhxygrldurhrmvrsfnpwpnfpystupbq&com=PT/3450&kategoria=
10x6x10mm. this should be good, I ordered

RandyT · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2006, 05:02:07 pm »

Just spitballing here, but is it possible that the steel shaft will retain more, or build up, magnetism over time, causing a drift in sensitivity?

Perhaps the ferrite is more stable in this regard.

RandyT

specfire · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2006, 05:40:55 pm »

Quote from: RandyT on May 17, 2006, 05:02:07 pm

Just spitballing here, but is it possible that the steel shaft will retain more, or build up, magnetism over time, causing a drift in sensitivity?

Perhaps the ferrite is more stable in this regard.

RandyT

While ferrite is generally made to be "soft-magnetic" in that it does not retain any magnetism (there are "hard-magnetic" ferrite applications apparently), obviously iron holds magnetic polarity even when removed from the field source. In this case however, the magnetic field is oscillating (likely at a high frequency) and so a cumulative effect is not likely.

On the other hand, it might end up with a very mild but completely uneven (non-homogeneous) polarity which would make adjustment very difficult (and may change over time like you pointed out.)

spec

kowal · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:49:36 pm »

I finished tests at last. The new sticks may the ferryt core. Bought 2 new joysticks in Suzo because my old stick be calibrated. They from new sticks act correctly - calibrating do not require

. I can alter pivot also on wider about 0,75 mm (ideal centring to center).
I think about making on sale several copies

Grasshopper · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2006, 12:48:54 pm »

Excellent news. I'd definitely be interested in buying a few, depending upon price of course.

kowal · « **Reply #25 on:** July 15, 2006, 03:17:16 pm »

I have only red balltop sanwa.
price 12-14USD (pivot, red balltop sanwa LB35, stick stainless steel + ferrite ring)

if it would be buyers more (<8-10) I would can order different colours.

Level42 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:03:02 pm »

Well.......I might change my mind on these.....if only for the fact how much I appreceate Kowals initiative and work !

I can hear the requests for hollow shafts, white transparant balls and LED lighting coming right up

P.S. I only now noticed how you connected your wiring to the connector, very nice ! I had an occasional problem with wires getting out of the original connector. I actualy already have these metal pins and even probably a right connector that fits from my work ! Will give it a try tomorrow ! Thanks Kowal

Grasshopper · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2006, 04:36:19 am »

I'm not too bothered about the ball tops as they are sold in a variety of colours (including translucent) by another board member (ponyboy).

So what would be the price for just the pivot, stainless steel stick and the ferrite ring?

Thanks

kowal · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2006, 06:33:59 am »

Grasshopper:
pivot, stainless steel stick and the ferrite ring - price 9 USD (without ball!)

I will execute handles 3-4 weeks. I have to know only quantity buyers.
I have to buy material. Not much persons have this joystick. I will make only one limited series.

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I can hear the requests for hollow shafts, white transparant balls and LED lighting coming right up

this would be possible but this is difficult. I can buy from stainless steel tubes. But problem will be from installing ball

the thread of a screw M6 will be to make problm. To make different thread of a screw (M9) in ball completely and place on led.
Yes defult conektor sucks

I use PH 2.54

on Sanwa JLF looks so:

Level42 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2006, 03:54:18 pm »

Hi Kowal,

OK, I'm convinced, put me down for two complete sets (so including the ball, if you change your mind and will offer other colors then solid red, let me know ! I totaly love this one: Sanwa LB-35-MP (

)

About the hollow shaft: I know nothing of metal working, I only mentioned this because I've seen the other ball top handles with leds. I don't really need them, but they would rock of course

For now I'm happy with what you will offer.

I've now fitted one of my Inductives with the connectors from my work, GREAT ! I only had 2, 4 and 10 pin connectors, so I used one 4 pin and one 2 pin connector. Had to cut off the "lips" on these connectors, now they fit perfectly and are very sturdy. This is much more reliable then the original "push-in" connectors. This will also be great for my Suzo Trackball, because this uses the same connectors.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2006, 04:13:38 pm »

I need a few days to think about this but I'm likely to buy at least four shafts.

Level42, can you give me a link to the site you saw that ball picture on.

Thanks

Level42 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2006, 04:20:37 pm »

No way, it's a big secret !!! (They are running out fast !!!)

But I give you a hint, right click the picture and select properties...the first part will show you the site

Grasshopper · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2006, 04:47:47 pm »

Quote from: Level42 on July 16, 2006, 04:20:37 pm

But I give you a hint, right click the picture and select properties...the first part will show you the site

D'oh!

kowal · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2006, 05:09:27 pm »

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I need a few days to think about this

it does not hurry to me

meshball

so this is pretty
but joystick looks how golf ball
I thought to make balltop with logo: PACMAN, galaxian-bat...

I play Venom in GuiltyGear. I think to to make buttons looking how billiard balls. I will use sanwa buttons.

Level42 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2006, 05:35:58 pm »

I think I saw a great Pac Man balltop somewhere on this forum once.....can't find it anymore though. It was great !

Grasshopper · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2006, 05:40:01 pm »

Quote from: Level42 on July 16, 2006, 05:35:58 pm

I think I saw a great Pac Man balltop somewhere on this forum once.....can't find it anymore though. It was great !

Do you mean this?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=53116.0

destructor · « **Reply #36 on:** July 17, 2006, 09:55:19 am »

I have some Seimitsu and Sanwa 35mm balls and I say that Sanwa bubble ball (LB-39) are great. Images don't show how this ball looks really.

Level42 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2006, 01:23:43 pm »

Quote from: Grasshopper on July 16, 2006, 05:40:01 pm

Quote from: Level42 on July 16, 2006, 05:35:58 pm
I think I saw a great Pac Man balltop somewhere on this forum once.....can't find it anymore though. It was great !

Do you mean this?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=53116.0

Bingo !

Grasshopper · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2006, 02:46:02 pm »

Kowal, can you clarify something for me?

If we want non-red ball tops do we need to order 8-10 of them in the same colour, or can it be 8-10 in a variety of colours?

Thanks

kowal · « **Reply #39 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:01:09 pm »

I need 8-10 orders. I can then order from akhibara- shop different colours. shipping costs 10-20 $ (I do not know exactly what price it will be for mail.). 1 Balltop 180YEN costs.
1balltop price+shipping = 3-5$
Grasshopper - 4
Level42 - 2
Kremmit - 2
= 8
I will make first only handles. We later will think over balls. You will choose colours. I will order. Ship will spread on 8-10 persons.

Level42 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:29:38 pm »

Kowal, sounds sweet. Actualy, put me up for 4 sets. I've just received an extra set of Inductives from the States, and I bet I will be equipping them with your handles too eventualy.

Would be nice to do a group order for the balls. I'd go for the meshball anyday. It fits perfectly to my cab theme. I know it's a lot more expensive then the regular one's, but I don't care really...

Kowal, if the time for payments come, could you check with your bank for the IBAN number of your bankaccount and the BIC code of your bank. I can tansfer you the money without any costs for you or me with this information.

Thanks !

Grasshopper · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2006, 12:53:47 pm »

Hi Kowal,

I've decided to buy six shafts as I own six inductive joysticks. In for a penny in for a pound as they say.

However, I'd rather not commit on the ball tops yet until the pricing has been finalised.

Level42 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:27:15 pm »

Kowal, if you can get the deal through with akihabarashop I would like to order:

2x Sanwa LB-35-MP (Meshball)
2x Seimitsu LB-39 clear bubbleball WHITE (Clear)

kowal · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:37:35 pm »

I wait on rods from stainless steel. I should it have in this this week. Turner will execute handles 7-10 days. how it will finish I will order balls.

Kremmit · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2006, 11:32:13 pm »

Assuming you can work out a payment option for US customers, I'm down for two handles, and two meshballs (Sanwa LB-35-MP).

davieboynj · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2006, 12:42:39 am »

Once all the smoke clears from this, if anyone has them, I'd be interested in buying someone's old 32 mm suzo sticks. I currently have the 35mm ones and they're a bit too tall/large for a cocktail. Please don't throw them away!

Thanks!

Level42 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2006, 01:07:17 am »

Well, Kowal's mod can be done on a 32 mm or a 35 mm handle, doesnt really matter, cause the base is exactly the same.

I traded my last 32 mm handle with Dizzle. Throwing them away would be very stupid in any case, since the electronics part is exactly the same on the 32 and the 35 mm handle versions, so good to keep spare.

I got my last 3 35 mm handle inductives from www.tntamusements.com. Don't know if they also have the 32 mm version. Suzo Netherlands still has those in a reasonable amount though.
Let me know if I can be of help if you'd like to order them there.

kowal · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:50:48 am »

I have 2x original sticks suzo 32mm. I can it sell 6 $ for one
but balltop 32mm is very uncomfortable

destructor · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:42:54 am »

How looks bubble ball:

Level42 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2006, 01:14:15 pm »

Thanks Destructor, I was about to ask if anyone had a good pic of one of those. You don't happen to have a shot like that of a clear (white) bubbleball, do you ?
If not, I get the idea and I like 'm. Sad that the bubbleballs do not come in red !!!

Grasshopper · « **Reply #50 on:** July 24, 2006, 02:28:27 pm »

I think it's worth mentioning that Ponyboy sells Sanwa/Seimitsu compatible ball tops in a variety of colours including the bubbleballs for $3 each.

Level42 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:19:34 pm »

Well if Kowal is going to order in Japan anyway:
200.00 JPY = 1.71219 USD for a bubble ball.

Of course we should add mailing costs etc. but if Kowal does the "group-buy" I think that will be about as expensive or even less then ordering from Ponyboy from the US. He needs to ship to Europe as well so that would add costs too.

And I haven't seen the Meshball on offer by Ponyboy.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #52 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:54:30 pm »

Hmm, that's a lot cheaper than I expected. to be honest I hadn't done the yen conversion. I was simply going by Kowal's $3-$5 estimate.

I'm thinking we should also do a group order of matching dust washers (preferably Sanwa because they cover a bigger hole than the Seimitsu washers). What do you think?

kowal · « **Reply #53 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:08:21 pm »

these washer (on akhibara shop) they are have narrow 38mm. I have in house 4.
seimitsu - 37mm

davieboynj · « **Reply #54 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:27:17 pm »

Quote from: kowal on July 24, 2006, 04:50:48 am

I have 2x original sticks suzo 32mm. I can it sell 6 $ for one
but balltop 32mm is very uncomfortable

Thanks for the offer, but i'd like to get them a little bit more locally, or 4 at once.

not a need, really... more of a want...

Quote from: Level42 on July 24, 2006, 04:50:48 am

Throwing them away would be very stupid in any case, since the electronics part is exactly the same on the 32 and the 35 mm handle versions, so good to keep spare.

Sorry for the confusion, i just want the handles, not the electronics.

I think i may be the only one who likes the european handles. I think they're much nicer than balltops or bat-tops...

Level42 · « **Reply #55 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:36:38 pm »

OK, I got it haha ! Well...if you scroll up all the way you see I think the "standard" handles are fine too, at least they play fine. However I have to admit the ball handle with steel shaft looks a lot nicer, but I wonder what will be playing better.....

On the other hand, Kowal's doing some great work and I want to give them a try definitly so that's why I ordered mine. I think I'll be not playing any worse than normaly

Grasshopper: I think Kowal included shipping costs etc. so then yes 3 bucks would be very reasonable.

Kowal, may I ask why you want to wait with the balltop order until the shafts are done ?
My order is definitly 4 shafts and the balls I mentioned.

kowal · « **Reply #56 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:03:42 pm »

My friend which does these handles it can it make only when it is in parcy on night. He works in night by week in month only. This large institution. They use computer lathe there. The throw of series has to be the large (100-1000). He will execute this by small lathe hand because this small quantity (10). And it does not want to boss hung on

. so it waits on night duty

I can not know exact deadline when he will execute this.
it does not want to wait and to keep nobody. therefore will to he made handles first and when I will be it he had I will order balls.

destructor · « **Reply #57 on:** July 25, 2006, 10:04:27 am »

Quote from: Level42 on July 24, 2006, 01:14:15 pm

Thanks Destructor, I was about to ask if anyone had a good pic of one of those. You don't happen to have a shot like that of a clear (white) bubbleball, do you ?
If not, I get the idea and I like 'm. Sad that the bubbleballs do not come in red !!!

Sory but I have only blue bubble ball (2). I'm evil for myself now that I didn't buy each colour.

Quote from: Level42 on July 24, 2006, 01:14:15 pm

Well if Kowal is going to order in Japan anyway:
200.00 JPY = 1.71219 USD for a bubble ball.

Of course we should add mailing costs etc. but if Kowal does the "group-buy" I think that will be about as expensive or even less then ordering from Ponyboy from the US. He needs to ship to Europe as well so that would add costs too.

Believe me that ordering from Japan to Europe is very expensive. It is good for very large order only.

davieboynj · « **Reply #58 on:** July 26, 2006, 01:32:19 pm »

Since all the Suzo people are here anyway, just figured I'd add another mod here. It's kinda obvious, but nice, and some of you may have overlooked so i'll share it...

IF you want complete smooth motion (no notches) out of your inductive, do the following:

Remove the plastic cover in the bottom.
Remove the circuit board.
Pop off the ~~C-clamp~~ Omega clamp from the stick, and take out the shaft.
Wrap a small piece of gritty sandpaper around your finger (grit facing outside

) and twist away where the shaft was until the bumps are no more.
Put it back together.
Voila! Enjoy your new quiet, silky smooth inductive controller.

and another small tip: if the joystick engages more quickly in one direction than the other, you can play with some of the other pots on the board and easily fix it. I had one controller that kinda bothered me for a while and after i fooled with it, it's perfect.

horseboy · « **Reply #59 on:** July 26, 2006, 02:06:14 pm »

Kowal, if it is possible, I would also be interested in 4 of these.

Level42 · « **Reply #60 on:** July 26, 2006, 03:43:08 pm »

Quote from: davieboynj on July 26, 2006, 01:32:19 pm

Since all the Suzo people are here anyway, just figured I'd add another mod here. It's kinda obvious, but nice, and some of you may have overlooked so i'll share it...

IF you want complete smooth motion (no notches) out of your inductive, do the following:

Remove the plastic cover in the bottom.
Remove the circuit board.
Pop off the ~~C-clamp~~ Omega clamp from the stick, and take out the shaft.
Wrap a small piece of gritty sandpaper around your finger (grit facing outside ) and twist away where the shaft was until the bumps are no more.
Put it back together.
Voila! Enjoy your new quiet, silky smooth inductive controller.

Yeah, I'd thought of that, but I actualy like the bumps. I guess it's annoying when playing games that require a lot of circular movement, which are probably fighters, and since I hardly ever play fighters.....OK Robotron would benefit from this greatly too.....
I wonder though, do you still feel you can easily hit directions (4 way, or the 8 way corners f.i.) ?

Quote from: davieboynj on July 26, 2006, 01:32:19 pm

and another small tip: if the joystick engages more quickly in one direction than the other, you can play with some of the other pots on the board and easily fix it. I had one controller that kinda bothered me for a while and after i fooled with it, it's perfect.

Yeah I experienced this when tweaking with the 4/8 way pot. In a certain position, I COULD hit diagonals on the top side, but NOT on the bottom side. Is this what you mean ? And do you have an idea of what pot does what ?

Kowal: OK I understand about this !

I think the order list needs an update:
Grasshopper - 6
Level42 - 4
Kremmit - 2
Horseboy -4
= 16

Destructor: I was so unkind to inquire about the balls with Akihabarashop and f.i. for sending 4 balltops (35 mm) the shipping and handling costs added up to 1665 yen =

kowal · « **Reply #61 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:06:11 pm »

with end of week I will close the list.
I ordered 20 ferryt cores.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #62 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:24:35 pm »

Kowal, what sort of glue are you using to stick the ferrite rings to the shaft? I'm thinking that perhaps it might be better if the rings were held in place with a nut or circlip. Or would that affect the induction?

kowal · « **Reply #63 on:** July 27, 2006, 05:47:15 am »

I use two - component glue 'Poxipol'. He is strong glue. it dries in 5-10min it after 24h hardens.
if I will use nuts this field can shatter. E - clip can again hinder about PCB.

davieboynj · « **Reply #64 on:** July 27, 2006, 07:43:30 am »

I'm surprised i held out as long as i did.

I'm in for two.

Set wife to "kill".

Level42 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:05:48 pm »

Quote from: kowal on July 27, 2006, 05:47:15 am

I use two - component glue 'Poxipol'. He is strong glue. it dries in 5-10min it after 24h hardens.
if I will use nuts this field can shatter. E - clip can again hinder about PCB.

Yeah, and remember those ferrite things don't weigh anything...

Level42 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:00:47 am »

Any news Kowal ?

Not stressing you, just curious

kowal · « **Reply #67 on:** August 05, 2006, 12:11:11 pm »

I have already material: rods and ferrite. on Monday or Tuesday it will pass on it friend. Grasshopper wants to use washer Sanwa. if you want to make this similarly there is no sense to use pivot and collar. It was it been possible to make new project - right foto (dimensions were it been possible to establish)

Level42 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 20, 2006, 04:26:32 pm »

Any news Kowal ?

kowal · « **Reply #69 on:** August 20, 2006, 05:15:47 pm »

Probably they are already finished. I will check tomorrow.
I had several problems

' sorry

kowal · « **Reply #70 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:56:12 am »

he did not make

he told me to wait till future week

kowal · « **Reply #71 on:** September 17, 2006, 02:40:38 pm »

on Friday I got handles

I apologize for delay

but my friend smashed leg. I had to wait until they will take off him gypsum. I have 16 copies handle & 16 copies pivot
photo soon...

price 9$ for handle without balltop. I have to order balls if someone does not want to wait, it can buy only handle.

written persons have precedence.

pivot is for free (only 1 pivot for 1 stick!)
- 14 small pivot copies (to change from original black pivot)
- 2 longer pivot copies (to change from original black pivot & collar)

mail be insured on 12 $:
- mail to UK - 4,5$ (priority 5,5$)
- mail to USA - 4,5$ (priority 6,5$)

problem it is from payment money to Polish from behind UK... but I will think up something

Level42 · « **Reply #72 on:** September 17, 2006, 03:42:07 pm »

Hey great news Kowal !

Sorry to hear about your friend, hope he's fine now (gypsum=cast, at least I guess).

I assume mail to The Netherlands (where I live) will be the same as for the UK ?

I don't quite understand about the pivots. Can we choose ? And what exactly are the differences ?

Can you PM me your IBAN and BIC/Swift code so I can send you the payment.
Please confirm me the total amount for the 4 handles I ordered plus shipping etc.

Thanks !

kowal · « **Reply #73 on:** September 17, 2006, 04:38:40 pm »

pivoty are wider. joystik acts better.

This is not necessary but you can taste. This can does not act with all versions.
This free addition.

destructor · « **Reply #74 on:** September 18, 2006, 03:22:23 am »

Quote from: kowal on September 17, 2006, 02:40:38 pm

problem it is from payment money to Polish from behind UK... but I will think up something

From PayPal site:

Quote

Amendment to the User Agreement
Notice Date: August 10, 2006
Effective Date: September 14, 2006
Beginning September 14, 2006, registered PayPal users in the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Thailand will be able to receive funds into their PayPal accounts as well as withdraw them to a local bank account.

Then PayPal should be shortly available in full version to us. (it should be 14.09 but I see that it still doesn't work) Maybe wait a while?

Grasshopper · « **Reply #75 on:** September 18, 2006, 01:51:39 pm »

That's great news Kowal. I'm still interested in buying six handles.

But I'm also a bit confused about the pivots. Why are there two different types? And what are the advantages/disadvantages of each?

kowal · « **Reply #76 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:09:24 pm »

if someone wants to use washer not need collar (need only longer pivot) but only if you mount joystick in 18mm wood!
I have made in my AcadeStickPanel so. I installed him in wooden panel 18mm, collar disturbed me.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #77 on:** September 23, 2006, 06:49:45 am »

I thought I'd bump this thread as Kowal has just contacted me about payment.

I'm wondering how many people here are still interested in making a group order of balltops from Akibahara? And if so how many balls would you be purchasing?

The reason I ask is that Kowal can sell the shafts on their own, or with red balltops. Red would be OK but I'd prefer a range of colours. However, it will only be economical to order from Akibahara if a fairly large quantity of balltops are bought in one go.

Level42 · « **Reply #78 on:** September 23, 2006, 08:23:57 am »

Yes I'm still up for a group-buy of balls. My wishlist:

2x Sanwa LB-35-MP (Meshball)
2x Seimitsu LB-39 clear bubbleball WHITE (Clear)

Level42 · « **Reply #79 on:** September 27, 2006, 06:02:54 pm »

So are we going to do a groupbuy of balls or not ?

I am still witing with the payment to yoou Kowal because of this.

Kremmit · « **Reply #80 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:51:16 pm »

I'll grab two meshballs.

Also, I haven't gotten any payment instructions from Kowal- what are USA buyers doing?

kowal · « **Reply #81 on:** September 28, 2006, 04:48:13 am »

Please send money to Ponyboy (say him that this for me - kowal). When Ponyboy confirm payment I will send items. Yesterday I send 4 (four) to RobotoNut.
In akihabara I will order 5 october 2006, I wait for my salary only.
list:
4x Sanwa LB-35-MP (Meshball)
2x Seimitsu LB-39 clear bubbleball WHITE (Clear)

Level42 · « **Reply #82 on:** September 28, 2006, 08:54:44 am »

OK thanks Kowal ! As soon as you know the total (including the balls) I will transfer the money.

kowal · « **Reply #83 on:** September 28, 2006, 03:23:14 pm »

First package has come to me. I will sum up cost then.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #84 on:** September 30, 2006, 10:51:47 am »

Kowal, here is my provisional order for the Balltops (15 balls and 6 shafts):

4* Sanwa LB-35, Dark Blue
2* Sanwa LB-35, Red
3* Seimitsu LB-39 Bubble Ball, Orange
3* Seimitsu LB-39 Bubble Ball, Blue
3* Seimitsu LB-39 Bubble Ball, White
3* Sanwa JLF-PP1 dustcovers (2 per set)

Can you give me an approximate idea of the total cost? If it is too much then I may have to prune the order a bit.

Thanks

Grasshopper

(p.s. please can you also confirm you have received the money for the shafts)

kowal · « **Reply #85 on:** September 30, 2006, 12:01:22 pm »

Quote from: Grasshopper on September 30, 2006, 10:51:47 am

Can you give me an approximate idea of the total cost?(p.s. please can you also confirm you have received the money for the shafts)

this very a lot of. I have this to think over
possible that ponboy has meshball and bubble ball.

Quote from: Grasshopper on September 30, 2006, 10:51:47 am

(p.s. please can you also confirm you have received the money for the shafts)

yes confirm, money came

rolls rolex · « **Reply #86 on:** October 01, 2006, 10:58:32 am »

Hey guys, i'm building my first desktop control and came across this topic. I'm pretty excited about it and have been educating myself this last week. I know it's gonna turn into a rediculous hobby

I'm searching for a red ball for an Omni basic and fell in love with that meshball

Are these shafts still available and will it fit the Omni stick basic? I really hope i can join the club

Hey Kowal i think i left you an email, what a coincidence. I was browsing your great Polish site

kowal · « **Reply #87 on:** October 01, 2006, 01:59:04 pm »

foto handles

Quote from: monkeyman on October 01, 2006, 10:58:32 am

Are these shafts still available and will it fit the Omni stick basic?

sorry only 4 inductive

RobotronNut · « **Reply #88 on:** October 01, 2006, 09:08:09 pm »

Quote from: monkeyman on October 01, 2006, 10:58:32 am

Are these shafts still available and will it fit the Omni stick basic?

you can get a versa-ball shaft from groovygamegear.com, which fits the omni-stik basic. these versa-balls are threaded; i'm not sure if they're the same threads as the meshball.

rolls rolex · « **Reply #89 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:03:10 am »

Hmmm let me ask ggg, thanks.

Kremmit · « **Reply #90 on:** October 02, 2006, 02:00:14 pm »

Quote from: RobotronNut on October 01, 2006, 09:08:09 pm

Quote from: monkeyman on October 01, 2006, 10:58:32 am
Are these shafts still available and will it fit the Omni stick basic?

you can get a versa-ball shaft from groovygamegear.com, which fits the omni-stik basic. these versa-balls are threaded; i'm not sure if they're the same threads as the meshball.

They're not.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #91 on:** October 07, 2006, 07:23:23 am »

Kowal, can you confirm that the Sanwa JLF-PP1 dustcovers can be used with your shafts?

Thanks

kowal · « **Reply #92 on:** October 07, 2006, 09:55:08 am »

Quote from: Grasshopper on October 07, 2006, 07:23:23 am

Kowal, can you confirm that the Sanwa JLF-PP1 dustcovers can be used with your shafts?

Thanks

yes it fit.

if you want larger washer (how J-stick), you have to buy JLWPP1 but they do not fit they have wide openings. It it was it been possible was to buy JLW - PP 1 and additionally JLF CD.

Grasshopper · « **Reply #93 on:** October 19, 2006, 02:57:19 pm »

My handles have arrived.

Thanks Kowal.

First impressions are very good. I'll do some tests over the weekend and maybe post some pics.

Level42 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 19, 2006, 03:52:55 pm »

Ok I'm completely in the dark about this. Kowal did the balltops arrive from Japan ?

If so please update me about total costs etc. Thanks.

RobotronNut · « **Reply #95 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:10:06 pm »

my handles arrived a while back. they look good, but it may be a while before i can give them a good test. i'll post results as soon as i have any.

kowal · « **Reply #96 on:** October 20, 2006, 04:05:21 am »

Quote from: Level42 on October 19, 2006, 03:52:55 pm

Ok I'm completely in the dark about this. Kowal did the balltops arrive from Japan ?

If so please update me about total costs etc. Thanks.

they should arrive, to me soon.

RobotronNut · « **Reply #97 on:** November 15, 2006, 04:49:58 pm »

i finally got a test panel put together and tried my suzo inductives with kowal's custom balltop shafts.

the construction quality of the shafts is superb!

i played robotron a few hours and have concluded that, in their stock form, the suzo inductives are not well-suited to robotron. the problem is the little "bumps" that separate the 8 positions. after i'm past the early levels in robotron, i need to be able to make round, sweeping movements very quickly. i keep getting killed because i got "stuck" at one of the little bumps and couldn't get the joystick into the position i needed it to be in. my scores with my p360s are much higher than with the suzos.

Quote from: davieboynj on July 26, 2006, 01:32:19 pm

IF you want complete smooth motion (no notches) out of your inductive, do the following:

Remove the plastic cover in the bottom.
Remove the circuit board.
Pop off the ~~C-clamp~~ Omega clamp from the stick, and take out the shaft.
Wrap a small piece of gritty sandpaper around your finger (grit facing outside ) and twist away where the shaft was until the bumps are no more.
Put it back together.
Voila! Enjoy your new quiet, silky smooth inductive controller.

i'll give this a try.

Quote

and another small tip: if the joystick engages more quickly in one direction than the other, you can play with some of the other pots on the board and easily fix it. I had one controller that kinda bothered me for a while and after i fooled with it, it's perfect.

one of my 3 inductives has one direction activated even when the stick is in its neutral, centered position. i'll try playing with the pots. do you know what the various pots control? i'd rather not mess up the trim of all the pots by randomly trying stuff...

davieboynj · « **Reply #98 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:01:42 am »

Quote from: RobotronNut on November 15, 2006, 04:49:58 pm

one of my 3 inductives has one direction activated even when the stick is in its neutral, centered position. i'll try playing with the pots. do you know what the various pots control? i'd rather not mess up the trim of all the pots by randomly trying stuff...

Unfortunately, i came down with the same problem recently. I've had to make enough adjustments on these things that it might be worth it to really put together a comprehensive guide to the potentiometers... I'll try to do it soon, but today is definitely out.

and i wouldn't really worry about screwing anything up. as long as you have something running where you can test the new limits, you'll find it works better after you've messed with all of them. it just gets kinda confusing sometimes.

Level42 · « **Reply #99 on:** December 27, 2006, 06:02:14 pm »

Man it's been long, but what is the situation Kowal ? Have the ball tops arrived from Japan already ??

kowal · « **Reply #100 on:** December 28, 2006, 07:19:14 am »

akihabara is inoperative 2-3 month all be annulled. It writes about problems [urlhttp://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=108982]here[/url] (last 5 sides). I do not know when this will become open again they do not accept orders
http://www.akihabarashop.com/status.html

I thought order from RS2006. But only large orders accept there >100000 jpn near smaller orders is punishment +75$

I do not know what to do. I can sell only handles, or from red balltop, or to wait until akihabara will come back.

emphatic · « **Reply #101 on:** May 03, 2009, 06:55:19 pm »

Hi, I'd like to know if it's still possible to purchase one of these custom made stainless sticks? I already have both Seimitsu and Sanwa balls, so I'm really only interested in one of these beautiful metal sticks.

Also I'm new here, and I say hello to you kind sirs.
Emph

specfire · « **Reply #102 on:** June 30, 2010, 10:31:01 pm »

sooo.............

I foolishly didn't buy a pair of these back four years ago. Does anyone want to sell theirs? Anyone else up to fabricating these again? Franco B?

lilshawn · « **Reply #103 on:** July 01, 2010, 01:20:25 am »

My brain hurts after reading that.

That...was...PAINFULL.

Though the post of ultimate deascription was not fully understand. If left to the persons of choosing by people. We have nothing left by choseing the people.
The post of ultimate description fail in the most abrupt way.

TOK · « **Reply #104 on:** July 01, 2010, 07:20:18 am »

Quote from: lilshawn on July 01, 2010, 01:20:25 am

My brain hurts after reading that.

That...was...PAINFULL.

Though the post of ultimate deascription was not fully understand. If left to the persons of choosing by people. We have nothing left by choseing the people.
The post of ultimate description fail in the most abrupt way.

He doesn't speak English, but does great projects and research for the community.
Please just ignore it if it bothers you.

lilshawn · « **Reply #105 on:** July 02, 2010, 12:09:14 am »

sorry my eyes are bugging out... i had to read it three times to grasp what he was getting at. i think i have it now though. still i'm unsure about the joystick overall. seems a little overcomplicated for what it does.

Monty · « **Reply #106 on:** December 09, 2012, 05:57:51 pm »

Some for sale here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271113223064?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

Monty · « **Reply #107 on:** January 15, 2013, 05:13:19 pm »

Still for sale on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271130323818?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649


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