Author Topic: AntiMameys? Hope no one's here... (Read 16758 times)

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #40 on:** January 05, 2006, 02:56:59 pm »

Bravo!

It's about time something was said about some of the horrible pieces of crap being built.

What needs to be done next is a send up of all of the over "bling'd" cabinets. 800 Flashing LED's, beer taps, foot massagers etc. Oh, and all of the giant cabinets with 15 inch monitors.

gsoul · « **Reply #41 on:** January 05, 2006, 05:18:37 pm »

I've got to hand it to him.. <flame repellant armour on>

I have to agree with pretty much all of those machines. I understand that not everyone has:

1) Artisitic Talent
2) Woodworking Skills
3) Money to burn

BUT...

Surely the point of BYOAC is that you're trying to recapture something that you've loved. Face it, not one plays mame games unless they've been into arcades and loved the games, cause frankly alot of those games are CRAP without the nostalgia factor.

In all my life, in ALL the arcades I've ever been in, I've NEVER EVER seen anything like these machines. What are these guys trying to capture?

I mean we've all made crap stuff, but dont they stand back and go 'Wow! That is UGLY.' What do other people say? Are they just polite?

Nothing annoys me more than the socalled FrankenPanels that most BYOAC builders seem to favour, I mean 4 players, 8 buttons each, 2 coin buttons (Even with coin mechs!) 2 start buttons, 1 escape button, a randomly placed spinner, a HUGE ASS trackball and perhaps a tron controller.

All I ask when I see these is, WHY?

The concept this guy is trying to put across is a good one, but done badly. A few years back every man and his dog was building their own homepage. So a guy started a website called http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com.

Its still around and the guy has gone on to write several books and become a big celebrity. The point of the site is that it offers constructive criticism and tries to teach new players what NOT to do. Unfortunately the only point of this site is to put ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on the people who have worked on this stuff, however misguided. Why not counter the criticism with some creative insight into what IS good design practice for arcade machines.

See the Daily Sucker for a new page each day that SUCKS.

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/dailysucker/

Perhaps if the site leaned more towards what NOT to do and showed examples of quality work, it might be better received by this community.

Just my two bits.

More Cowbell · « **Reply #42 on:** January 05, 2006, 05:21:55 pm »

I'm just relieved (and a little flattered) that my machine wasn't on there. The people whose machines he trashed should take it as constructive criticism. Or maybe destructive criticism.

ahofle · « **Reply #43 on:** January 05, 2006, 06:06:50 pm »

Quote from: gsoul on January 05, 2006, 05:18:37 pm

I've got to hand it to him.. <flame repellant armour on>
Surely the point of BYOAC is that you're trying to recapture something that you've loved. Face it, not one plays mame games unless they've been into arcades and loved the games, cause frankly alot of those games are CRAP without the nostalgia factor.

I'd have to disagree. There are some kickass games in mame that I'd never seen before, or had the pleasure to enjoy in an arcade (ie no nostalgia). Heck some were never even released (prototypes). What's crap in my opinion are most of the recent games, endless spinoffs on 1v1 fighter games, etc.

Quote from: gsoul on January 05, 2006, 05:18:37 pm

Nothing annoys me more than the socalled FrankenPanels that most BYOAC builders seem to favour, I mean 4 players, 8 buttons each, 2 coin buttons (Even with coin mechs!) 2 start buttons, 1 escape button, a randomly placed spinner, a HUGE ASS trackball and perhaps a tron controller.

All I ask when I see these is, WHY?

All I can ask is, why do you care? I have what you would probably consider a frankenpanel, with a spinner, trackball, 3 players, 2 hidden coin buttons, and two player start buttons, and folding cup holders for beers. I designed the CP so I could play just about all MY favorite games satisfactorily. I could care less what you (or anyone else who believe their opinions to be important) thinks about it. I built it that way because it worked best for me to comfortably enjoy all my favorite games, not because it was the 'right' or 'wrong' or 'authentic' way to do it according to someone at BYOAC.

That being said, I thought the site was hilarious (and I have marble contact paper on my CP under the lexan haha) and there were definitely some strange looking arcade cabinet shaped things on that page.

He is definitely a 'Maddox' wannabe, though.

epthegeek · « **Reply #44 on:** January 05, 2006, 06:53:55 pm »

Quote from: ahofle on January 05, 2006, 06:06:50 pm

That being said, I thought the site was hilarious (and I have marble contact paper on my CP under the lexan haha) and there were definitely some strange looking arcade cabinet shaped things on that page.

ahofle · « **Reply #45 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:11:48 pm »

LOL yeah right. Not to say your's isn't funny, but come on.
Same black background, white text, same font size, exact same font in places, yellow hyperlinks, vertically inline images, same exact flaming style. I'm guessing you edited/modifed his pages in notepad.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell

Maddox:

epthegeek:

epthegeek · « **Reply #46 on:** January 05, 2006, 07:14:52 pm »

Quote from: ahofle on January 05, 2006, 07:11:48 pm

LOL yeah right.

Quarters · « **Reply #47 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:04:43 pm »

I think there is some value to seeing pics of concepts that suck. Sometimes it can head off mistakes that are not so obvious in your mental picture. Take epthegeeks cp for example(see pic below).

Aside from the control placement and many admin buttons this thing gives me a headache just looking at it. Way too busy, too much clutter in the image. I've made this same mistake with desktop wallpaper. If it's to busy you have a hard time seeing the icons.

The cab Arcade Reboot (pic below) is IMO beautiful. I would be proud to have it in my house with the single exception of the X-Arcade control. This can serve as a warning to those who plan to spend a lot of time effort and dollars building a cab then save some bucks/time this way.

In the end it's only the builders opinion that really matters. I have heard from people who love my last cab, and people who hate it. What someone on a forum, or who writes a web page thinks makes no difference.

Zakk · « **Reply #48 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:06:59 pm »

I got one on there.

GGKoul · « **Reply #49 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:10:00 pm »

Hey, this is VERY OLD!!! The guy who put together this site pull all the images of here and was banned in the process.

Quarters · « **Reply #50 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:12:45 pm »

Quote from: Zakk on January 05, 2006, 08:06:59 pm

I got one on there. I thought the review was funny. If it really bothers you can can always just say "I took it apart because it was so bad". Everyone will believe you.

Or you can say "I did a machine 'to order' for a fella" and hope everyone will believe you

epthegeek · « **Reply #51 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:14:37 pm »

Quote from: Stewie on January 05, 2006, 08:10:00 pm

Hey, this is VERY OLD!!! The guy who put together this site pull all the images of here and was banned in the process.

Indeed it is old. Well over a year, not sure exactly how old though.

It did get brought up here once before and so many of the "every kid gets a trophy just for showing up" crowd got all uppity about it that I took it down for a while. I put it back up later when it blew over.

But I don't remember ever getting banned for it. The images are all from the pages that people put up, links via the examples page in many cases sure.

Zakk · « **Reply #52 on:** January 05, 2006, 08:18:33 pm »

Oh, I'd argue Quarters, but there was just no way that monstrosity would end up in my house

ften · « **Reply #53 on:** January 05, 2006, 09:20:30 pm »

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I laughed so hard reading that page. The Skittles comment for cab 10 was the best.Mean spirited humor is always funny. Even if my cabinet was on the page, it still would have been funny.

-FTen

unclet · « **Reply #54 on:** January 05, 2006, 09:34:18 pm »

Seems like my rotating 6 panel driving cabinet earned me a Mamey and now earned me an Anti-Mamey.

Couple points:

1) I laughed my #$% off with his description
2) The machine has never broke once and works like a charm
3) It is "f-ing" HUGH
4) My two young children use it all the time ... they love Star Wars!
5) The two sets of pedals were in case the player wanted to use a clutch
6) It was not designed only for Mame use .....
7) My wife's one request was that a 27" monitor rotate 360 degrees ... oh well.
8 ) The name "Mom's Arcade" is a joke ...... come on ... isn't that obvious

Anyway, I did laugh at his descriptions ...... take it with a grain of salt. We all know that building is about 90% of the fun .... and that is what I got out of building my driving cabinet (my second Mame machine).

Do you think he would want to buy it?

ahofle · « **Reply #55 on:** January 05, 2006, 11:49:51 pm »

So really, out of genuine curiosity, what are the 4 flight thrust controls for?

surf · « **Reply #56 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:05:05 am »

Holy Moly!

Haven't laughed so hard at a web page in years!

Even if mine made that fine list, I'd still be rolling....

Frosty · « **Reply #57 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:43:28 am »

I just hope no one that happened to show up on that list takes it personally. There's few things that suck more than having worked hard on a project for a long time (as about 99% of us here can attest to) only to have it ripped appart just for laughs...

Okay--maybe some of those on that site deserved it. <grin>

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #58 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:49:11 am »

Geek,

What's long overdue is some candid reviews of some of the incredibly embarrassing MP3 Jukeboxes that have been born.

I'd be glad to help with those.

mccoy178 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 06, 2006, 01:54:25 am »

I thought the comments were funny, but I have a different feeling about it, so I don't really think it's all that.

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #60 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:48:58 am »

I agree a tiny bit but most of the people building these machines are grown adults(i think). I look at it as encouraging the pursuit of excellence.

Do you think everybody should be encouraged and told "Great Job" even when the do horrible work? I would actually go so far as to say that most of these bad examples are born from lazyiness and lack of patience.

We should be doing our best to stomp out mediocrity. Not encourage it.

People should be told when they suck, that is the only way for them to learn that they should keep striving.

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #61 on:** January 06, 2006, 02:51:14 am »

By the way McCoy. What do you consider the high road when it comes to comedy?

brophog · « **Reply #62 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:13:53 am »

Or you could simply understand that these are done for ENJOYMENT by the creator and not as recreations.

There is no "wrong way" when you're doing it for your own enjoyment.

Bones · « **Reply #63 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:16:28 am »

I found it funny and I enjoyed the read.

If the majority of these featured cabinets were graded they would fall into the very lowest category that this community has produced.

The creators of these hideously depraved regurgitations should be ashamed of themselves. They should be locked up naked in a dark room and forced to survive on their own urine while they contemplate the vile sin they have committed

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #64 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:43:25 am »

Quote from: brophog on January 06, 2006, 03:13:53 am

Or you could simply understand that these are done for ENJOYMENT by the creator and not as recreations.

There is no "wrong way" when you're doing it for your own enjoyment.

Nobody said anything about wrong way/right way. But if you take a picture(which the builders did) and put it up on the net you are going to be judged for your work.

There isn't a wrong or right way to make a movie but some are good and some are bad(in my opinion). IN MY OPINION which is what that web page is. It's a guys opinion and critique. All of them just happen to be dead on(IN MY OPINION).

I've set the timer to see how long it will take some tool to respond with "Well, you know what they say about opinions". Annnnnnnd.................Go!

brophog · « **Reply #65 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:49:26 am »

Movies are made OTHERS to use. You pay money for a product when viewing a movie. Therefore, you have a right to complain.

Have you used any of those cabinets featured? Were they made for you? They were not. They were intended for their creator. And if the creator likes 29 buttons per player, then that's their perogative. They spent the money for their product to be used by them.

You are clearly judging them right or wrong. You looked a lot better when you didn't try to hide that fact.

Quote

Do you think everybody should be encouraged and told "Great Job" even when the do horrible work?

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #66 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:10:51 am »

Uh, I beleive it is "epthegeek" who is judging them. A fact that I don't think he is hiding. Nice try though Columbo.

Point taken about the movies.

What i'm saying though is that people don't deserve to hear "Great Job!" when it's not. You do them more harm than good.

brophog · « **Reply #67 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:21:02 am »

Then don't say "Great Job".

Don't say anything at all.

He may have put up the website, but by agreeing with his action, you are doing the same thing.

koolmoecraig · « **Reply #68 on:** January 06, 2006, 04:35:43 am »

fair enough

mccoy178 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 06, 2006, 06:26:36 am »

The high road for comedy for me is appropriate language.

brian23 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 06, 2006, 07:10:27 am »

The page is very funny, but I'm sure some people actually put some hard work into the cabinets - even if they don't look so good. We all can't be master woodworkers. Then again, he is the only one around here that I see actually making comments like this. I think we need more of them. There really are some bad monstrosities out there IMHO.

unclet · « **Reply #71 on:** January 06, 2006, 08:25:50 am »

Quote from: ahofle on January 05, 2006, 11:49:51 pm

So really, out of genuine curiosity, what are the 4 flight thrust controls for?

Was this directed towards my cabinet? If so, not sure what you meant by "4 flight thrust controls".

Anyway, my 6 panel rotating cabinet has the following:

1) Star Wars yoke (ex: Star Wars, Hydra, etc ...)
2) Hang-On motorcycle handlebars (ex: Paperboy, Hang-On, Super Hang-On)
3) Pole Position steering wheel (ex: any 360 driving game)
4) Spy Hunter steering wheel (ex: any 270 driving game with fire buttons)
5) Xbox steering wheel (ex: play my Xbox stuff ... obvious)
6) Two Virtual On joysticks (for non-driving games)
7) 4 shifters (forward/back, return to center, 3 position and 4 position)
8 ) Two Virtua Racing Pedal sets (for games which require a clutch .. not just Mame)

History:
When I got the shifters, I got the "return to center" one first and a shifter which I discovered was a 3-position shifter (rather than a 4-position shifter). Anyway, I realized the "return to center" shifter would be a pain in some games which require the player to stay in gear, so I got the forward/backward shifter. I had to get a 4-position shifter since a lot of games use this ...... Everything just kind of multipled. Finally, since I had all of these shifters lying around, I thought may as well use them. The shifter panel would look pretty empty with just one shifter. I think the shifters look better on my cabinet rather than in a box.

Also, when I planned this driving cabinet, I originally was going to make a second standup cabinet with only a Pole Position and a Spy Hunter steering wheel with a shifter and one set of pedals. Pretty normal. Thing is, when I went to the local arcade parts store (guy I know), he had a complete Star Wars yoke for $5 and a Hang-On motorcycle handlebar set for $5 ..... so of course I had to buy them ....... Now my cabinet turned into something larger. I decided to throw my Xbox console on there and (to even everything out), I decided to put a couple joysticks on there as well since I could not build something like this and not be able to play non-driving games.

This is how my "planning" of my cabinet went...... it kind of just evolved by itself.

Most people might not have enough room for this thing, but I have plenty of room, so that was not a concern. I also have a foosball table, regulation arcade-style air hockey table, Skeeball table, Kid's basketball dual-basket Super Shot game, 4-player standup Mame machine and just recently acquired a 3 canister candy machine. Everything is great!

RayB · « **Reply #72 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:26:52 am »

So the page isn't to your taste McCoy. Set up your school's firewall to block it and the issue ends there for you.

It's kind of like South Park. If it's not to your taste, then don't watch it. Calling for a ban of EpTheGeek is ridiculous.

"rabble rabble rabble!"

pointdablame · « **Reply #73 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:38:00 am »

Quote from: brophog on January 06, 2006, 03:49:26 am

Have you used any of those cabinets featured? Were they made for you? They were not. They were intended for their creator. And if the creator likes 29 buttons per player, then that's their perogative. They spent the money for their product to be used by them.

You are clearly judging them right or wrong. You looked a lot better when you didn't try to hide that fact.

I really don't think the site is so funny, but I feel a response to this is necessary. I THINK koolmoe was saying that once it's on the internet... its there for everyone to judge.

Yes, the creator built it, and as long as he likes it, that's all that really matters. However, the second I throw up pictures online for everone to see, it is there to be judged. It's simple human nature. We draw conclusions and opinions on EVERYTHING.

If I build a "bad" Mame machine and I like it, good for me. If I put it online to show my cab to people BECAUSE I like it... good for me. If I don't realize that people will have opinions on it, shame on me.

You sound like a bleeding heart here when it was the creator's decision to put their cab on the internet. If they didn't like it, or weren't proud of it, they probably wouldn't put it online. But they did.... and just because they did... that doesn't mean you and I have to like it.

carazy · « **Reply #74 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:57:49 am »

The 404 stuff that is mentioned on the site about byoac is really true. There are so many free programs out there that will check for dead links for you. Its really pointless to keep all the ones up there that people have taken down. Its also misconceiving when it says there are 1xxx examples on the front page when there really aren't.

RayB · « **Reply #75 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:19:14 pm »

PS: If we can't sit back and have a good laugh because someone built those cabs and supposedly enjoyed them, then I guess we can't laugh at these:

mccoy178 · « **Reply #76 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:40:52 pm »

RayB, I think you kind of missed my point. I'm done with the topic. Maybe if someday this site goes South you may understand my little ramble up there and trully appreciate it.

markrvp · « **Reply #77 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:48:26 pm »

Why was Stingray the first person I thought of when I saw this pic:

Harry Potter · « **Reply #78 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:54:27 pm »

That's where my mortgage money is going st the moment.

And dude Z(the guy who bags the amchines) you rock.

Herre'smine if you wanna make fun of it.

Setabs · « **Reply #79 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:55:39 pm »

Quote from: RayB on January 06, 2006, 12:19:14 pm

PS: If we can't sit back and have a good laugh because someone built those cabs and supposedly enjoyed them, then I guess we can't laugh at these:

Thats just sad and degrading. I should report you

, you insensitive bastard.

About the site though. I feel that from the 8 or 9 pages I saw some comment was due. But the comment provided sucked IMO. So i just kept laughing at the purdy pictures of people's creations.


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