Author Topic: Naki Wireless Ultimate - FINISHED MOD UPDATE 1/12/06 (Read 14940 times)

MameMaster! · « **on:** December 21, 2005, 01:10:01 pm »

http://tinyurl.com/922vh

Greetings all!....I just got what I think is a bargain for $35.00 bucks over at GameStop.

I picked up the Naki Wireless "Ultimate" fighting stick for XBox and PS2 and I was pleased to find that it works really well and looks very cool!

It has a pearl white finish and kinda' looks like the paintjob on a high end car. My wife actually doesn't mind it in the living room!

The coolest thing about this stick and what makes it so unique is that it has DUAL ANALOG controls built right in!

If you look closely at the photo you'll see two white circles under the buttons. Those are actually rubberized balls that control your dual analog sticks.

It's a bit awkward at first....but it actually works great in games like Robotron and driving games surprisingly. It also has some "force feedback" which is weak but neat.

I was told this was only a store sample and they're not going to get more in for the $35.00 and that the regular price will be approx. $60. bucks....but

versapak · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2005, 01:19:43 pm »

Yep

We've been there.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=41723.0

MameMaster! · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2005, 02:28:49 pm »

wow...I can't believe I missed that....thanks for the link!....and now I don't have to take mine apart.

So.....has anyone hacked one yet?

.....if so, how did you implement into your panel.

I find this to be a real bargain especially compared to the very similar (at least in use) Quasicon.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2005, 09:08:20 am »

OK...I used the stick for a couple of days and decided I hate the buttons. They're really stiff and my hand actually cramped up!

I took it apart and started replacing the buttons with Happs.....pics coming soon!

Darth Xanax · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2005, 07:43:54 pm »

Let me know how you're hack goes I was actually wondering if it's possible to
move the left analog ball to wear the joystick is this way the left analog stick is
a joystick not a ball.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2005, 11:26:33 am »

Quote from: Darth Xanax on December 23, 2005, 07:43:54 pm

Let me know how you're hack goes I was actually wondering if it's possible to
move the left analog ball to wear the joystick is this way the left analog stick is
a joystick not a ball.

....looking at the internals that wouldn't be possible as the top is molded to fit these parts exactly (see my pics below). But, if you're ambitious you could take the guts out of this thing and just built a custom control panel (something I'm considering for my next project).

MameMaster! · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2005, 11:36:05 am »

OK, here's my quickie mod on this stick.

I think this thing has a lot of potential...but the buttons SUCK!....the joy sucks as well but the buttons were really awful.

Anyway, I took it apart and put in HAPPS buttons which fit perfectly with the internal weight taken out. (see next sentence for what the heck that is!).

Just as a side note...this thing feels farily substantial until you open it up and find a piece of granite floor tile in the bottom as the "weight" !!!

Anyway, with the weight removed you have plenty of room for the Happs buttons depth.

This improved this thing by 100%.

The only thing that bothers me is that the joystick cannot be easily replaced unless you build a new cabinet for the internals of this thing. It uses a custom mini joystick (short handle) and the joystick has a custom base incorporating a motor for "feedback" (I removed the motor as it just sucks juice from the Wireless feature and the feedback is super weak). Unfortunately another problem is that my joystick squeeks (bad design).

Any how....if you can get a hold of one of these....go for it. It's easy enough to hack....and it only took about an hour.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2005, 11:36:49 am »

here's the "weight" ....a piece of granite!

MameMaster! · « **Reply #8 on:** December 25, 2005, 11:37:07 am »

FINISHED!

pmc · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2005, 05:06:23 pm »

I kinda liked the look of the orginal labeled white convex buttons with the chrome trim. But if they sucked, I guess they gotta go.

-pmc

pointdablame · « **Reply #10 on:** December 25, 2005, 06:22:36 pm »

Quote from: pmc on December 25, 2005, 05:06:23 pm

I kinda liked the look of the orginal labeled white convex buttons with the chrome trim. But if they sucked, I guess they gotta go.

-pmc

Some white buttons with vinyl stickers would probably look very nice.

albert_c · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2005, 10:44:18 pm »

It's not worth modding if you're going to keep that cheap joystick there.

Darth Xanax · « **Reply #12 on:** December 26, 2005, 10:47:16 pm »

Well post on this thread if anyone has any luck putting a analog stick were the digital stick currently is
I'm really not too good with taking a part controllers and all so I really don't want to mess with it unless it's possible.

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2005, 11:55:15 am »

I just finished modding this thing, and I'm happy with the results.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2005, 12:01:59 pm »

...nice job!...which stick exactly did you use? where did you pick it up?

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2005, 02:42:00 pm »

Thanks!

MameMaster! · « **Reply #16 on:** January 02, 2006, 10:59:32 am »

hey there...thanks for the suggestion for the Sanwa joystick!...I just followed your link and ordered one.

I have a couple of ideas to mount the joy a bit more securely.....but I'll have to wait to see how much actual clearance I'll have when I get it.

Thanks for the suggestion of that stick!

I'm surprised we're not seeing more mods of this really cool stick. I just picked up another for a possible dual set up at some point.

I have a feeling that "ball" analogue stick can be exploited better.....I'm just not sure how yet.....hmmm......

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 02, 2006, 12:59:35 pm »

Yeah, I really like this stick.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2006, 02:24:50 pm »

These look pretty cool... I saw one at a local store but didn't pay much attention to it until now because I don't have a PS2 or a XBox.

But I'm looking for a joystick to put on my main machine (since my cab is now in the basement and I upgraded my work machine... and it can now play a ton more games).

Has anyone tried using this with either a PS2->USB converter or a XBox->PC driver?

I'll try and pick one up if it works on a PC!

Darth Xanax · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2006, 10:19:22 pm »

[quote author=MameMaster

Lilwolf · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2006, 10:15:43 am »

Bumping with the question.

Anyone know if these will work through a ps2->usb converter of any nature? Seems perfect for me as an upstairs joystick.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2006, 10:17:25 am »

Quote from: Lilwolf on January 06, 2006, 10:15:43 am

Bumping with the question.

Anyone know if these will work through a ps2->usb converter of any nature? Seems perfect for me as an upstairs joystick.

I don't own one and haven't tried....but my guess is why wouldn't it work? .......

If you have a spare I would be happy to test it for you....(and of course send it back to you). PM me if you want me to try it out.

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2006, 11:41:30 am »

I have adapters for PS2->USB, I'll give it a try and post back (hopefully I can try tonight). Some PCBs are goofy and don't work right with the adapters.

Jim

Quote from: Lilwolf on January 06, 2006, 10:15:43 am

Bumping with the question.

Anyone know if these will work through a ps2->usb converter of any nature?

yalborap · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2006, 03:41:18 am »

I know it doesn't work on mine. As far as I can tell, the adapter doesn't give enough juice for the wireless receiver to function, but that's just a guess.

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 08, 2006, 08:23:04 pm »

I just tried with a boom joy adapter and a powered USB hub (also without the hub), and the receiver won't do anything. It seems this one is just not compatible with adapters.

Jim

DarkBubble · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2006, 04:03:01 pm »

I saw one of those at a local gamestop the other day. After I managed to get TWO busted PS1/PS2-Xbox converters off of eBay, looks like this may be the way to go.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #26 on:** January 10, 2006, 07:15:11 pm »

crud... I didn't read this today, went by a place selling one... and bought one to test.

No dice here. But I made sure I could return it...

Really too bad... this really is the joystick I want for upstairs.

The next question would be if the XBox -> pc usb + driver if that would work... But I think I'm returning it before then.

btw, I think the buttons are ok and the joystick is ok. very playable and GREAT for most canned joysticks... Just not arcade quality. I was looking forward to hacking some good buttons and maybe get one of those joysticks and getting a great wireless pc joystick going.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2006, 09:17:04 am »

OK...here's a leap of faith thought....could this be hooked into an XArcade Xbox (or PS2) adapter some how?

I know it's wireless.....but perhaps the signals can be intercepted somehow? (i.e. cut the wires inside the Naki leading to the wireless "signal sender" and solder them to the adapter?).

Or....hmm...how about one of the new Ultimarc XBox adapters?

Realistically I think the biggest benefit of this gadget are the analogue control nubs....the stock buttons and joy suck anyway.

I wonder if the brains can be pulled out and interfaced somehow as above?.....

I'm dying to see the first time this is integrated into a cab. It seems like a really ideal and low cost alternative to the Quasicon.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2006, 05:38:23 am »

I don't think so on the xarcade. very very different (even if wireless wasn't a factor)

I think what we would need to do is find the exact power outage from a ps2 and use that.

but now that I returned mine

I have a new idea. Anyone try it on a PSOne??? If it DOESN'T work there, we can try and find out what the differences in spec are... and that might send us a hint.

I was really hoping for a good wireless PC stick... sigh... I really want it to work.

oh btw, anyone have a XBox->USB connector? I couldn't try that.

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:58:26 am »

I have a XBox -> USB adapter, I'll have to give it a try, but I don't hold much hope out for it.

Jim

versapak · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2006, 09:03:42 am »

Quote from: adonis_minus_20 on January 12, 2006, 08:58:26 am

I have a XBox -> USB adapter, I'll have to give it a try, but I don't hold much hope out for it.

Jim

I don't see why it wouldn't work. The Xbox USB is no different than PC USB, as far as power is concerned anyway.

I have a few different wireless controllers for Xbox, and they all work just fine on the PC.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #31 on:** January 12, 2006, 09:35:34 am »

by the way I just got my Sanwa stick thanks to Adonis' suggestion.

I think I can make it fit better than using only the 2 screws that he did. I took the joystick apart (and as a side note you have to love the Japanese engineering...that thing is sweet!).....and I'll take a bunch of pics and post them.

It looks like he bypassed the joys circuitboard that very neatly strung together the microswitches with wires instead. I'm hoping to just solder my wires to the existing pinouts.

...I'll post pics in a day or so and let you know how it goes!

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 12, 2006, 12:59:58 pm »

I think it won't work, only because it already didn't work with my PS2->USB adapters.

versapak · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2006, 01:34:21 pm »

Quote from: adonis_minus_20 on January 12, 2006, 12:59:58 pm

I think it won't work, only because it already didn't work with my PS2->USB adapters.

adonis_minus_20 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:47:30 pm »

I see where you're coming from now, you may be right, I will try it tonight with the XBox->USB adapter and post my results.

Jim

Quote from: versapak on January 12, 2006, 01:34:21 pm

Quote from: adonis_minus_20 on January 12, 2006, 12:59:58 pm
I think it won't work, only because it already didn't work with my PS2->USB adapters.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:48:21 pm »

That said, I would have guessed the same for the PS2 since the protocol is pretty set in stone.

versapak · « **Reply #36 on:** January 12, 2006, 04:15:30 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on January 12, 2006, 03:48:21 pm

That said, I would have guessed the same for the PS2 since the protocol is pretty set in stone. I'm still guessing that the usb outputs 5v, and the ps2 output 6.2v and for more devices it doesn't make a difference...

You're missing some of my point though.

I'm not only talking voltages.

My point is that the Xbox controllers are already USB. You are not converting anything as far as its actual operation goes. There will be no change in how it handles its communications.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #37 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:40:05 pm »

Ok....I'm happy to say the operation was a total success on the first try. To get around Adonis' problem about only have 2 screw mounting holes that lined up with existing holes I created a little board out of fiberboard that I cut to shape.

It worked perfectly and is now very solid and secure. His suggestion of a Sanwa was right on the mark as it fits like a glove in the shallow depth you'll have when modding this stick.

For the wiring I picked up extension wire with a small plastic plug on the end to attach the existing joystick's circuitboard. The board is super neat and I saw no reason to run extra wires onto the joy.

The stick is easy to take apart (both the Sanwa and Naki) and this thing now will get A LOT of use!.....

Here are the photos.

If you are going to try this out.....the Naki's wires are as follows--- Black, continous circuit (connecting all microswitches); Brown= down; Yellow= up; Red = right and Orange is left.

Have fun!...this only took a couple of hours and was fun to do.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #38 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:41:23 pm »

more pics. This shows the old joy in the Naki by the way in the bottom photo. The top photos is of the Sanwa micros.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #39 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:41:53 pm »

I could only find 3 pin wire at Compusa but you need 5. I just bought 2 and cut off the extra wire. It was tight but I got them both onto the joys pins.


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Author Topic: Naki Wireless Ultimate - FINISHED MOD UPDATE 1/12/06 (Read 14940 times)

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