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[mr.Curmudgeon]

Are those committee members the same ones currently investigating the oil industry?

Are you talking about the oil industry, whose leaders - through the cooperation of a Republican-led Senate - were allowed to waive having to testify under oath? Those very same CEO's, etc. who then lied about their secret meetings with Cheney's Energy Task Force? [link]

No, I'm not sure if it's the same committee. I hope not, because their hands would certainly be full.


mrC

[fredster]

Phase II, if it doesn't find anything, phase III, ...X.

Un-named officals ... off the record comments...

nor authorized to investigate the administration's alleged manipulation of pre-war intelligence.

It was lead in the commission's report. 

I'm willing to bet that, even if Bush came out and admitted he misused the intelligence, that he knew there was no WMD, but went to war anyway  - let's say - only because he, himself, personally thought Saddam needed to be deposed...you'd still defend the war. Wouldn't you?

There is a chance in hell of that happening isn't there?  Maybe in one of your dreams, but not in real life.

How do you explain Blair's adminstation's role in this?  What ties to the oil industry/bush backyard barbques/ or even the Rangers does he have? 

How did I explain this before? I have explained this and explained this.

I was looking, but I'm out of time.  Research me. I said it in 2003 I think. Early pages.

Mr.C, you and yours have a great T day and we'll pick this up next week. 

[shmokes]

I think it's funny that you think England's support is some kind of smoking gun, though you completely ignore the fact that MANY more countries opposed the war than supported it.  And it's not like you have nothing to gain scratching the back of the economic behemoth, only superpower in the world United States.


Anyway, another Monday, another column (I can't justify creating a new thread for eacy one, but I don't want to stop advertising for free to y'all):  Click here if you want to read it.  And thanks for reading.  Comments are appreciated (here or there). 

[ChadTower]

I think it's funny that you think England's support is some kind of smoking gun, though you completely ignore the fact that MANY more countries opposed the war than supported it.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Phase II, if it doesn't find anything, phase III, ...X.

I never get tired of your "slippery slope" canards. Even though this latest one totally ignores the fact that the investigation was pre-arranged to take place in TWO phases and the Republican majority initially agreed to that. Nothing is being tacked on here in the push to complete Phase II, so your bogey-man doesn't work.

I'm willing to bet that, even if Bush came out and admitted he misused the intelligence, that he knew there was no WMD, but went to war anyway  - let's say - only because he, himself, personally thought Saddam needed to be deposed...you'd still defend the war. Wouldn't you?

There is[n't] a chance in hell of that happening isn't there?  Maybe in one of your dreams, but not in real life.

I didn't ask you if there was a chance in hell or not. I already assume, just like you do, that Bush would never admit the truth. What I asked was, if you entertained my hypothetical, would you really care or not? And you didn't answer.

I ask because it's getting to the point where I sense that you feel action against Iraq is totally justified, no matter the consequences. That you feel so confident, so filled with national pride and arrogance, that the ends (whatever they are) totally justify the means (whatever they may be). That there in no scenario imaginable where this action would cause more harm than good...where victory is inevitable, as long as national will is strong. (ie: Jane Fonda/The Media/Moore/Liberals don't lose us this war like they lost us Vietnam!)

Would you even care, if it was *proven* that the Bush Admin lied us into this war?

I'm trying to help define your argument, fredster, because at this point, with so much overwhelming evidence negating your position/opinion...actually saying, "I don't care either way...it was the right thing to do" is a much more tenable position for you at this point. It makes sense...much more sense than trying to convince people that Iraq was a threat, and that the Bush administration didn't knowingly prop up faulty evidence in order to rush our country into a war of choice.

mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Shmokes,

Jesus...there are some real whackjobs on the site that site [Camp Katrina]. The two comments under your current column are priceless.

"Under Equalization there is no Liberation!"

"...the path of Equalization ultimately leads down The Road to Serfdom."

I mean, I want to respond to her, but where do you start? Why bother. It'd just take up her valuable cross-burning time.


mrC

[ChadTower]

I once bought an equalizer.  When I integrated it into my home theater system, my receiver did in fact start complaining of a perception of serfdom.

So it is not completely untrue.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Ha! Stop buying A/V equipment endorsed by Karl Marx. Go with Sony.


mrC

[ChadTower]

I'm too cheap for Sony.  I go with JVC.

[Grasshopper]

Shmokes,

Jesus...there are some real whackjobs on the site that site [Camp Katrina]. The two comments under your current column are priceless.

"Under Equalization there is no Liberation!"

"...the path of Equalization ultimately leads down The Road to Serfdom."

I mean, I want to respond to her, but where do you start?Why bother. It'd just take up her valuable cross-burning time.


mrC

You couldn't resist it could you.

[shmokes]

Yeah....thanks for the comments.  My first two columns only got a couple.  I liked the little debate after this one.  I know, though.  A bunch of wackos, including my friend who runs the site.  He's cool, though.