Norwegian Court Convicts First Woman for Rape

[GGKoul]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=8332138

[monkeybomb]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=8332138

I'm definately falling asleep in the wrong places.

[Luxury]

I'm definately falling asleep in the wrong places.

I wouldn't be saying that until I saw a picture of her. 

and what kind of guy even reports that to the authorities anyways?

[quarterback]

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The 31-year-old man [i]fell asleep[/i] on a sofa at a party
In the US, we call that "passing out".   

[Dartful Dodger]

In Norwegiland a person gets nine months for being convicted for rape.

Thank God I live in the USA.

[ChadTower]

It's a great cover story for the wife.

[GGKoul]

Theres more to the story.
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Woman convicted of rape
In a landmark case a 23-year-old woman has been convicted by a Bergen court for the rape of a 31-year-old man.
 
The woman was sentenced to nine months in prison and ordered to pay NOK 40,000 (USD 6,385) to the man.

The incident occurred on Jan. 4 last year in a Bergen apartment. The man testified that he fell asleep on a sofa and woke up to find the woman performing oral sex on him.

The woman eventually admitted sexual contact but claimed that it was voluntary and that the man was willing and smiled.

The case has attracted attention and is the first time a Norwegian woman has been charged with raping a man.

[Stingray]

Wow, the dude got $6300 and a BJ. What a deal!

-S

[Dartful Dodger]

Wow, the dude got $6300 and a BJ. What a deal!

...and AIDS.

[ChadTower]

...and AIDS.

Where does the story say that?

[monkeybomb]

I've never heard of getting HIV from a BJ.

[Shape D.]

The story didn't say that. and you can, any time you exchange bodily fluids, like saliva. however, its a lot more likley for the female to contract something in this case. And aids isn't as easily contracted this way.

Sorry for wording this wierd, just trying to keep it clean.

this PSA has been brought to you by Hello Sailor. 

[monkeybomb]

I don't think saliva is enough.  It needs to be blood or sea man

[ChadTower]

I've never heard of getting HIV from a BJ.

That's scary.  You want to go read up on HIV and do it before you leave your house.  You CAN get HIV from oral sex.

Saliva alone is a very very low percentage carrier, but it is VERY easy for a cut on the gums, or maybe one created by using too much teeth, or anything like that, to create a miniscule opening that could transmit the virus.

In short, treat oral as if you would treat any other type of sex when it comes to HIV prevention.  This is NOT a game.

[monkeybomb]

I've never heard of getting HIV from a BJ.

That's scary.  You want to go read up on HIV and do it before you leave your house.  You CAN get HIV from oral sex.

Saliva alone is a very very low percentage carrier, but it is VERY easy for a cut on the gums, or maybe one created by using too much teeth, or anything like that, to create a miniscule opening that could transmit the virus.

In short, treat oral as if you would treat any other type of sex when it comes to HIV prevention.  This is NOT a game.

It's not that scary, I have a wife and I had the same girlfriend for seven years before I was with my wife.  It's not something I ever worried about.

But congratulations if leaving the house is enough for you to need this info.

Also are there actually confirme reported cases.  Not theoretical.  I'm aware you could both have a cut.  But the odds of all this is pretty low and I'd like to see an acctual figure.

[ChadTower]

Also are there actually confirme reported cases.  Not theoretical.  I'm aware you could both have a cut.  But the odds of all this is pretty low and I'd like to see an acctual figure.

I'm not going to look it up, but yes, this is confirmed, documented, and real.

[Shape D.]

actually I know this great place to look up information like that

www.google.com

or try calling loveline and asking Dr. Drew 1-800-love-191

[DYNAGOD]

wow its frightening to think in this day in age there are people who dont know that...
i guess education failed....on to mass genital castration i say lol

[Jabba]

Hey, as Steve said....He got a BJ and 6300!!! Sweet ;-)   Whats he complainin about....

[Thenasty]

I wouldn't be saying that until I saw a picture of her.

[Thenasty]

or this one ?

[daywane]

Stop!!! oh my eyes
I think I will puke 

I called the health department once and asked them if you could get aids from oral sex.
they told me NO!

I am being honest. lets me think. i have been with my wife for 15 yrs now,
so I must have called about 16 to 18 years ago. Maybe back then they thought you could not 
i still thought you could not.

I am lucky. I have no desire to go out on my wife. and  she has no desire to go out on me.

To be honest most [people of the other sex drive me crazy. ( not in the good way )

date rape, complaining at work, nagging and etc etc etc. I fell for you single guys out there

men are starting to take women to human resources for sexual harassment in the work place now also.

I say good for them. I am sick of  woman tacking men to the boss because of sexual harassment but think they can say or do anything

[sodapopinski]

Ok, I havent been on this fourm long and i've seen the picture of that fatty like 20 times. Can it be banned? is this possible?

[monkeybomb]

Giving another person oral sex has a documented risk.  Although it is low, it is still a risk.

No one denies the theoretical risk of recieving oral sex.  It is simply not documented yet.


http://www.dphhs.state.mt.us/hpsd/pubheal/disease/stdhiv/hivfaq.htm

"The risk from receiving oral sex, for both a man and a woman, is considered to be very low, and there have been no documented cases of transmission through receiving oral sex."



http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/OralSex/Q9156.html

"There have now been documented cases of HIV transmission through giving someone oral sex (but no cases have been reported by receiving oral sex)."


http://www.avi.org/book/print/88

"There have been no documented cases of men getting HIV by receiving oral sex (getting a blow-job, being sucked off, getting head)."

I e-mailed the CDC since they used to have these kinds of quotes on their site and took them down.   I'll post the reply here, but I don't expect it soon.

[ChadTower]

Keep in mind that there are probably 25 undocumented cases for every 1 documented case of HIV.  They couldn't possibly know them all, and they couldn't possibly know how even very many of the documented cases contracted the virus.

[monkeybomb]

I'm not suggestion we try it as a group...wait...we shouldn't all go together and....wait

My point is just that my original post was not uneducated and ignorant, it is a valid question when there 0 known cases worldwide.

[JODY]

Did you hear of the person that got HIV from their dentist.  The dentist had HIV and did some work on his own teeth.  It was passed on to several other patients.  That was documented.

Oral may not be saliva only.  Got a bleeding gum or cold sore.  What about bad gingivitis that is bleeding.  Risk may be low, but definitely a risk. 

[monkeybomb]

Did you hear of the person that got HIV from their dentist.  The dentist had HIV and did some work on his own teeth.  It was passed on to several other patients.  That was documented.

Oral may not be saliva only.  Got a bleeding gum or cold sore.  What about bad gingivitis that is bleeding.  Risk may be low, but definitely a risk. 

I've heard about a lot of things, including a case where a dentist turned out to have raped the people in their sleep when he infected them.

I like links to university studies. 

[ChadTower]

I like links to university studies. 

Link

[monkeybomb]

I like links to university studies. 

Link

I that was a joke it was very funny.

If not, I've been there and I can't find find a single study that will say they can confirm a case where the person getting a BJ got HIV.  Like I said I'll post if the CDC ever responds.  Everyone says "theoretical risk".  Or "you can"  not one case of -  "It happened to a guy in our study."

[ChadTower]

How many people should bet their lives on that being only theoretical, given that the data is probably a tiny fraction of known cases, and a tiny tiny fraction of total cases (documented and undocumented)?

This isn't malaria or something you can cure, this is a guaranteed long and drawn out death.

[JODY]

I sure wouldn't want to be the first...

[monkeybomb]

I sure wouldn't want to be the first...

I wouldn't plan a sex trip to Bangkok.  But when I mentioned everyone acted as if I was crazy and that it happens all the time.  It doesn't.  I'm not nuts.  It was an educated point, that's all.

There's no way that chick gave that guy HIV.  Odds are too crazy.

[Dire Radiant]

This isn't malaria or something you can cure, this is a guaranteed long and drawn out death.

Bad example. Malaria is incurable. On that note, so is herpes and you can get that from oral sex VERY easily.

[ChadTower]

This isn't malaria or something you can cure, this is a guaranteed long and drawn out death.

Bad example. Malaria is incurable. On that note, so is herpes and you can get that from oral sex VERY easily.

From CDC.gov:

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If I get malaria, will I have it for the rest of my life?

No, not necessarily. Malaria can be treated. If the right drugs are used, people who have malaria can be cured and all the malaria parasites can be eliminated.

<stuff snipped for brevity>

...if you are correctly treated for malaria, the parasites are eliminated and you are no longer infected with malaria.


Also note, Herpes is not fatal.

[patrickl]

Chad,

Do you ever drive a car, go by train, walk outside, climb stairs, or basically take part in just about any activity that a human can perform? Actually even when sitting quietly at home you run the risk of dying (space shuttles falling on your house, a herd of wilderbeast running through your house etc etc etc).

I thought this kind of extreme fear of aids went away 10 years ago. It's not that easy to get AIDS.

Cool how a basically funny thread ends up in a discussion about how likely 25 times 0% is 

[ChadTower]

I don't see a reasonable analogy from walking down the street to sticking your schlong in someone's mouth...

[patrickl]

The analogy is that you are afraid of something that has never happened before (and most likely never will) and yet you don't seem care about all the other everyday risks you run.

Bizarre how people always manage to take statistics out of context. Even 0% can apparently be a risk if you just imagine hard enough that it might go wrong.

[screaming]

Also note, Herpes is not fatal.

  Ahem.

[Shape D.]

Chad,

Do you ever drive a car, go by train, walk outside, climb stairs, or basically take part in just about any activity that a human can perform? Actually even when sitting quietly at home you run the risk of dying (space shuttles falling on your house, a herd of wilderbeast running through your house etc etc etc).

I thought this kind of extreme fear of aids went away 10 years ago. It's not that easy to get AIDS.

Cool how a basically funny thread ends up in a discussion about how likely 25 times 0% is 

Now thats just sillyb if you play a single game of russian rulette theres a 16.666666666666666667% chance you will die. so chances are you will live right. are you going to do it, No, its stupid. It's estamated that 1 in 5 americans has an std survey says..... 20% chance of std transmission. its not about being afraid, Its about being safe educating yourself and staying protected.

By the way befor anyone asks. 1 in 5 americans has an std

[ChadTower]

Also note, Herpes is not fatal.

  Ahem.

Uh, dude, that's canine herpes.

[monkeybomb]

Shape D

You are right about STDs, safety should be the concern there and actions should be made with that in mind.

But the specific reference in this thread is to recieving oral sex and getting HIV.  The odds are no where near russian roulette.  In fact they are less than getting struck by lightning. 

Realize the specific theoretical risk is situational.  There must be significant bleeding in the mouth of the person performing the act.  That is not a realistic situation for most.  I can't imagine making that choice in that situation.  Even if the person makes that choice there must also be a cut on the person recieving oral sex.  Judging by the lack of a documented case it is reasonable to asume that people just don't do this.

[Dartful Dodger]

I thought this kind of extreme fear of aids went away 10 years ago. It's not that easy to get AIDS.

That extreme fear did go away.

An estimated 4.8 million new HIV infections occurred worldwide during 2003; that is, about 14,000 infections each day.

See patrickl there are at least 14,000 people a day who aren't afraid of catching HIVs.

[monkeybomb]

Also note, Herpes is not fatal.

  Ahem.

Uh, dude, that's canine herpes.

Come on Chad, to each his own.

[ChadTower]

I think I know why the dog next door to Mr C won't stop yapping.

[DrewKaree]

Maybe that's not actually the dog! 

[daywane]

1 in 5 
now sex is a game of russian roulette .

how did the younger generation of the 60S make it?
I was born in 65 so I was to young .