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I don't care which party is doing it, if it's a conservative group, they should be nailed to the wall, if you're a liberal group, ditto.  

We as Americans have a responsibilty to do something if you see vote fraud happening, and a responsibility to question if something is happening that isn't right.  If there are candidates missing from a ballot, it should be decried by BOTH parties.

Stories are starting to surface regarding this, and while it's just jabs now, it's becoming more real every day.

I've got a few stories, I'm POSITIVE it's happening in your area.  Are you aware of what's going on in your backyard?

Story One - Tallahassee, FL

Story Two - Van Buren, MO

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Re:Americans, you have a responsibility.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 01:49:48 am »
I'm for voter fraud.  As a liberal, I've always been required to hate America and democracy.  I can't wait to move to France, where they do not have democracy or freedom.
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Re:Americans, you have a responsibility.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2004, 08:00:53 pm »
If you think this is a NEW TREND, and something that hasn't been going on always...you need to remove the blinders my friend.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2004, 02:31:49 am »
If you think this is a NEW TREND, and something that hasn't been going on always...you need to remove the blinders my friend.

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The idea that this is a new trend was never uttered by me.  

It seems as if have a different attitude towards the issue.  To m, even more reason to point these things out.  

I get the feeling you're sitting there  ::) because you feel it's not a new trend, it's been happening for a while now, and we all should know it's going on.

Do you think we shouldn't do anything about it?  Do you think it's so widespread that even if you did something about it, it'll still happen elsewhere?  

I feel it's important enough that I need to post something here.  Perhaps someone else may not have considered it important enough to do something about, but seeing examples across the country will make them see stopping this crap has to start somewhere, perhaps with them.

Maybe you think I'm blaming liberals only.  Give the stories a read.  There are stories about conservatives doing it as well.  If you have them, I'm asking that you post them.  If you don't feel it'll make a difference, then don't post them.  Apathy seems to be a pretty strong drive when it comes to elections.  I can't fix everything that's wrong with our election system, but I can do this little thing.  

The only thing I've got blinders on about is how someone can see these things going on and not act, in whatever small way.  I can't fathom why someone would think it's ok, or to ignore it.  That to me is small-minded and dangerous to our country.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2004, 02:47:39 am »
I posted an earlier article about this, and here's the latest story.  Apparently Nader has been taken off the ballot (may or may not be legitimate reasons), but not before people have already voted using absentee ballots.  Those people are not allowed to recast their vote.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/news/102_lucasballots.html

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2004, 10:45:35 pm »
]The idea that this is a new trend was never uttered by me.  

It seems as if have a different attitude towards the issue.  To m, even more reason to point these things out.  

I get the feeling you're sitting there  ::) because you feel it's not a new trend, it's been happening for a while now, and we all should know it's going on.

Do you think we shouldn't do anything about it?  Do you think it's so widespread that even if you did something about it, it'll still happen elsewhere?  

I feel it's important enough that I need to post something here.  Perhaps someone else may not have considered it important enough to do something about, but seeing examples across the country will make them see stopping this crap has to start somewhere, perhaps with them.

Maybe you think I'm blaming liberals only.  Give the stories a read.  There are stories about conservatives doing it as well.  If you have them, I'm asking that you post them.  If you don't feel it'll make a difference, then don't post them.  Apathy seems to be a pretty strong drive when it comes to elections.  I can't fix everything that's wrong with our election system, but I can do this little thing.  

The only thing I've got blinders on about is how someone can see these things going on and not act, in whatever small way.  I can't fathom why someone would think it's ok, or to ignore it.  That to me is small-minded and dangerous to our country.

Drew,  cool it........

I voted, like 600 times, in Florida, in the last election and it's beginning to look as though I may have to do it again. (and I live in Ohio) If you draw too much attention to this, I may get caught.  ;D

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Re:Americans, you have a responsibility.
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2004, 10:20:37 pm »
the New Voter Project in Wisconsin is headed up by a woman who escaped being prosecuted for election fraud by plea bargaining with our local DA.

Now they are protesting the fact that, although 600,000 ballots were printed, they claim it is not enough, and want 900,000 printed.  They are claiming the denial of the additional printing is being done to disenfranchise inner city voters.  I'll give you the numbers.

There are ~580,000 PEOPLE living in Milwaukee.  Of that number, there are only ~450,000 who are of voting age.  Of THAT number, there are ~330,000 who are actually registered to vote.  Of THAT number, there were ~280,000 who actually voted in the primaries.  

Depending on your numbes, the request is for 3+ times more than voted.  Realizing there WILL be more folks than showed up in the primaries, they are asking for double the amount of ALL people who are of voting age....and that's IF we get 100% voter turnout.  

Even Australia, which has laws REQUIRING voting don't get that fantastic a turnout!  

In the last election, numerous cases of a poll worker giving someone two or more ballots and telling them "you know what to do with the extras" were reported.  It'd be nice if the workers TOLD them what to do with them, rather than assume they know what to do with the extra ballots, considering the potential for fraud.

So the solution is to print MORE ballots, perhaps creating even MORE of those "you know what to do with them" scenarios?  

Several cases, ranging from 100's to 1000-1300, of improperly completed ballots have already been brought to the head of the election board, who is on record as saying "why are you trying to make my job more difficult".  Isn't is her JOB to investigate these things?  Doesn't she get PAID for this express purpose?
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 02:18:30 am »
Same theme going on here, at the local level.  A county commissioner just lost in the local election by a HUGE landslide because the news broke a story about some work being done on her house for free, in exchange for ?? something that was never really uncovered, but looked awfully suspicious.

So, a few weeks later, someone at the county board of elections discovers a few thousand completed ballots that were locked away in a closet and never got counted.  As it turns out, they would not have altered the results of the election, but still, the head of the board of elections resigned.

So who was appointed in her place?  The same commissioner who just lost her job due to suspicious circumstances.  Man, talk about putting a thief in charge of your money.

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Re:Vote Fraud Central - what will you do about it
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2004, 01:58:30 am »
Republicans possibly ripping up votes and a manual - read the manual - as to what to look for re: voting.
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More reports of how they were doing it

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This crap is just CHILDISH!

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Now, if Michael Moore's movie wasn't stopped from being shown, this should have just as much right to be shown as anything else, for crying out loud  It's not a vote fraud issue, but it IS a freedom of speech issue, and has as much right to be heard as F911...perhaps you've seen a commercial for the movie lately ::)

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Believe his claims or not, but he stated the option for Kerry to offer his side versus the "documentary" was given, and thus far, not taken.  Kinda like Bush was railed against, and then was offered an opportunity to speak to black groups.  Disingenuous tactics on both sides.  
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2004, 04:52:49 am »
I'm not surprised John Kerry will be able to make the people in wheelchairs (like Christopher Reeves) rise up and walk.  The democrats have been raising the dead to vote in Chicago elections by the thousands for years! ;D
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2004, 10:38:53 am »
I can't seriously state that it's a liberal OR conservative thing.  It's being done by BOTH parties, evidently, and each incident is being done by wackos who somehow justify it to themselves as "well, I'm just countering what the other side is gonna do".

It'd be nice if ALL of these instances were reported to the extent that Florida was....it may become sickening, but at least it'd make folks think long and hard...perhaps come up with better methods to their madness ::)
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2004, 12:52:57 pm »
I've actually been working on a large-scale project of this kind in my state.  People are currently ready for Utah to go republican by a 70%-30% margin.  I, however, have managed to get about 700,000 fraudulent ballots that should be just enough to tip the election.

Utah's three electoral votes will go to Kerry this year!!!

I honestly have a hard time getting worked up over this.  By living in Utah I am already, by default, a disenfranchised voter.  Our election system sucks.  I know that voter fraud only makes it worse, but it's kind of like someone keying my car after it's already been recked and has three different colored doors and no hood and is covered by other dents and scratches already.  I'm not happy about it, but I don't lose that much sleep over it.

I'm far more concerned with the official disenfranchisement of felons than these relatively isolated instances of voter fraud.  A kid steals a car for a joyride when he's 20 years old and still can't vote for his representatives 40 years later.  Couple that with the fact that laws, courts and police are clearly biased against blacks and you have what amounts to the same thing as poll taxes and literacy tests.  
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2004, 01:46:56 am »
Shmokes, I didn't come up with this quote, but it is one I live by.

"Crime expands with our willingness to put up with it."

I can't just shrug and say, oh well, there are bigger problems.  Voter fraud bothers me.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2004, 01:51:31 am »
This is getting outrageous.  So far, the democratic party is suing Nevada, Florida, and Ohio, and that's just what I've seen on the evening news.  Are they going to sue all the swing states?  What will they do if Bush happens to win again?

I'm not trying to be partisan, I'm sure the republicans are suing their share, too.  I just can't believe they are going to such extremes.  It seems to be an act of desperation.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2004, 02:25:49 am »
I get the feeling that this election year will be filled with more bitterness and hatred and legal battles, no matter who wins.  Whichever side loses, I have no doubt that they will look at it as "they did it again" or "they did it, now it's our turn".  

THAT'S the crap that has divided the country.  The system seemed to work all the way up until 2000, and now all of a sudden everything's broke, and we gotta fix it.

The Early Voter program in Florida got off to a halting start today!  So much for improved voting!  

Gimme a 100 page ballot with a 4" square box on each page with a candidate's name, to be marked with a slash through it if I want to vote for someone.

Either that, or do it Survivor-style.  Gotta write the guy's name on the paper and put it in the bucket.  Kerry and Bush bring their torches, the votes are read, and Jeff Probst sez "bring me your torch".  Snuff - yer out.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2004, 02:38:18 am »
Shmokes, I didn't come up with this quote, but it is one I live by.

"Crime expands with our willingness to put up with it."

I can't just shrug and say, oh well, there are bigger problems.  Voter fraud bothers me.

Deep down I know you're right.  In the end, though, I secretly hope that the democrats are better at it than the republicans this year.   :P
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2004, 04:13:42 am »
Here's some good dirt!  Now, this is what I'm talkin' about!!  Whose the genius behind this master plan?


Arrg, stupid link keeps moving.  I'll post the article until the link stays put.


Defiance County man arrested in alleged voter registration-crack cocaine scheme


A Defiance County man has been arrested for allegedly filing more than 100 false voter registration forms in exchange for crack cocaine from a Toledo woman working on behalf of the NAACP
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2004, 05:13:47 am »
And here's the follow up on the crack for votes story:

(stupid site.  Can't make the links stay up.)

Voter fraud case traced to Defiance County registrations volunteer
124 registrations falsified, allegedly for crack cocaine

By JOE MAHR
BLADE STAFF WRITER

Mary Poppins. Jeffrey Dahmer. Janet Jackson. Chad Staton.
Defiance County elections officials were confident the first three hadn't moved to their small community. But the fourth one lived there, and - in exchange for crack cocaine - tried to falsely submit the first three names and more than 100 others onto the county's voter registration rolls, police said.

Now Mr. Staton, 22, of Defiance, faces a felony charge of false registration in a case that has quickly gained national attention as part of a hotly contested presidential battle that's attracted a flurry of new voter registrations across the country - and a flurry of complaints of voter registration fraud.

Defiance County Sheriff David Westrick said that Mr. Staton was working on behalf of a Toledo woman, Georgianne Pitts, to register new voters. She, in turn, was working on behalf of the NAACP National Voter Fund, which was formed by the NAACP in 2000 to register new voters.

Sheriff Westrick said that Pitts, 41, of Toledo, admitted she gave Mr. Staton crack cocaine in lieu of cash for supplying her with completed voter registration forms. The sheriff declined to say how much crack cocaine Pitts supplied Mr. Staton, or to say whether Pitts knew that the forms Mr. Staton gave her were falsified.

"That remains under investigation," he said.

Defiance County sheriff's deputies and Toledo police searched Pitts' home on Woodland Avenue and found drug paraphernalia and voter registration forms, the sheriff said.

Pitts, who over the past two decades has been convicted of crimes ranging from domestic violence to resisting arrest, was not arrested this week. She could not be reached for comment. A month ago, she had just finished a year of probation for driving with a suspended license.

Pitts told police that she was recruited by Thaddeus J. Jackson II, who is coordinating the Toledo efforts of the NAACP Voter Fund.

Reached yesterday afternoon in Cleveland, Mr. Jackson described Pitts as a "volunteer" with the group but said he knew of no problems with her and of no voter fraud with her new-voter submissions.

"This is the first I've heard of it," he told The Blade.

He refused further comment on the case and representatives of the voter fund in Washington declined to elaborate on Pitts' involvement in the campaign.

In a statement issued late yesterday, Gregory Moore, the national executive director, said the group was "shocked" by the allegations, welcomed the investigation, and hoped it didn't hurt the reputation of other "volunteers and canvassers who have worked tirelessly to enfranchise the disenfranchised throughout the year."

Mr. Staton's 130 voter registration forms were among the 80,000 submitted to state officials by The National Voter Fund's Ohio office, based in Cleveland. The fund turned in Mr. Staton's completed forms to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, elections officials said.

Of the 130 forms submitted, county elections board director Wayne Olsson said that only six turned out to be legitimate.

Noting that the potentially new voters had listed addresses in Defiance County, Cuyahoga County elections officials sent the forms to Defiance County, where they arrived the afternoon of Oct. 8.

The package came with a small note inside from Cuyahoga County officials: Check the signatures on the cards for fraud.

Within an hour, Defiance County elections workers had deduced that the batch of 130 was mostly faked forms, said Laura Howell, the county elections board's deputy director.

"We could tell by the handwriting that many of them were written by the same person," she said. "And of course we know the streets. Defiance being a small town, many of [the forms] had streets not even in Defiance."

And so elections workers immediately began sending out letters, addressed to the people listed at those addresses, as a precaution to ensure that a Mary Poppins, a Jeffrey Dahmer, or a Janet Jackson didn't, in fact, live in Defiance County, she said.

Letters also went out to George Foreman, Brett Favre, Michael Jordan, and Dick Tracy, among others in the bundle to see if the post office would return them as undeliverable.

Letters even went out to a handful of people registered on forms with different personal identifiers but the same name: Chad Staton.

None of the Chad Statons made the cut.

In the meantime, elections officials contacted the office of Sheriff Westrick, a Republican, who began an investigation that included the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification & Investigation.

Sheriff's deputies arrested Mr. Staton as he walked along a Defiance street about 8 a.m. yesterday, and issued a press release by noon that soon spread across the Internet.

The Ohio Republican Party immediately seized on the scandal. In a statement issued hours later, spokesman Jason Mauk cited the case in claiming that "the effort to steal Ohio's election is under way, and it's being driven exclusively by interest groups working to register Democrat voters."

The Ohio Democratic Party responded that they don't condone any registration fraud. Spokesman Dan Trevas argued that, of the 500,000 forms submitted for newly registered voters, "the vast, vast majority are clearly eligible voters who did the right thing."

He called it a "stretch" to link the Democratic Party and the NAACP Voter Fund to fraud because "the volunteer to the volunteer did something fraudulent."

But it's not the first complaint of fraud against the NAACP Voter Fund, which insists it is nonpartisan.

Elections officials in Lake County, just east of Cleveland, last month began investigating the group and an anti-Bush group called Americans Coming Together, or ACT Ohio, for hundreds of suspicious registration forms and absentee ballot requests.

Among them was one, submitted by the NAACP Voter Fund, for a man who'd been dead for more than two decades.

Mr. Staton's arrest is not the first time someone who is paid to collect voter registrations or petition signatures has been accusing of falsifying them - such accusations have been made across the country.

And the NAACP Voter Fund is not the first group to come under fire.

Among the others are a Republican-linked group, Voters Outreach of America, which has been accused of destroying voter-registration forms its workers had collected from Democratic voters in Nevada and Oregon.

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2004, 02:35:26 am »
And here you have the official Cuyahoga County (Ohio) absentee ballot.  If you thought you were voting for Bush by punching out the chad marked in green, you just threw away your vote! You should have punched out chad #4 marked in red!!!

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2004, 03:45:55 am »
And here you have the official Cuyahoga County (Ohio) absentee ballot.  If you thought you were voting for Bush by punching out the chad marked in green, you just threw away your vote! You should have punched out chad #4 marked in red!!!

And the directions read, "Punch the hole beside the number for the set of candidates of your choice"!



Wow, that's really bad.  Probably worse than 2000's butterfly ballot in Dade county (i think).  How in god's name did that ever get approved by the republican election official in that county?
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2004, 03:06:20 pm »
And here you have the official Cuyahoga County (Ohio) absentee ballot.  If you thought you were voting for Bush by punching out the chad marked in green, you just threw away your vote! You should have punched out chad #4 marked in red!!!

And the directions read, "Punch the hole beside the number for the set of candidates of your choice"!



That either looks Photoshopped, or it's just a typo, and the "1" was just left off the numbers.  The part that bothers me more is that Kerry is at the very top, and Bush is at the bottom underneath all the "also rans".

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Re:Vote Fraud Central - what will you do about it
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2004, 06:42:52 pm »
That either looks Photoshopped, or it's just a typo, and the "1" was just left off the numbers.  The part that bothers me more is that Kerry is at the very top, and Bush is at the bottom underneath all the "also rans".
It was a scan of an actual ballot.

If it actually turns out to be Photoshopped, I'll remove it, but I trust the source to have done his homework on it.



I'm guessing it got approved by the cross-eyed I-wanna-be-a-moderate republican official in the county.

Perhaps you missed the part where I DIDN'T whine about how unfair it was and that the RNC should sue due to confusing ballots and possible voter disenfranchisement.  I'm of the opinion, just like I was in 2000, if you can't be troubled to read your ballot and cast your vote according to the directions printed on it, you SHOULD have the consequences that come with punching the wrong hole.  

I have faith that conservative voters also have the arm strength to press hard enough to punch through the card and at least loosen 3 corners of the chad, rather than insist that a "dimpled" chad be counted.

Lastly, when it comes down to a court case, I'll be willing to state that whoever is judged the winner will be the President of the United States.  If that happens to be Mr Kerry, I will not have a problem with him being President, and you won't hear 4 years of me whining about how he STOLE the election.  
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Re:Vote Fraud Central - what will you do about it
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2004, 07:15:48 pm »
That either looks Photoshopped, or it's just a typo, and the "1" was just left off the numbers.  The part that bothers me more is that Kerry is at the very top, and Bush is at the bottom underneath all the "also rans".
It was a scan of an actual ballot.

If it actually turns out to be Photoshopped, I'll remove it, but I trust the source to have done his homework on it.

While that picture is not photoshopped, it IS misleading.  The ballot and the booklet that you're seeing in that picture were never meant to be lined up.  They are two completely separate completely different sized pieces of paper that are placed in such a manner to make people believe that there is some Left-Wing shenanigans going on.

As per the absentee ballot instructions on the inside cover of the booklet:
"There is a number next to each candidate's name.... These are the numbers you must locate on the official ballot card when you are ready to vote.

To Vote: remove the punching tool from the official ballot card. Find the number on the official ballot card that corresponds to the number next to the candidate(s) of your choice and next to .... Firmly punch the small black dot on the card above the number"


That picture is set up to make people believe that the John Kerry arrow lines-up with the correct punch-place but the Bush arrow does not.  The REALITY is that neither one is made to line up with either.  I could slide the ballot card down (lining up Bush with #4 punch-place) and make it look like Kerry voters are being scammed.

This picture is flying all over blogs and being emailed around in an effort to mislead.  You may personally trust "the source to have done his homework on it" but you have been misled.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2004, 07:23:16 pm by quarterback »
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