I need mame to fix something

[fredster]

I got a Deco burgertime at the auction.  It's the dataeast version of the game. I think it works fine, but it's missing the cassette for the program.

Mame has the cassette version for it.  It has the .bas file inside of it.

Does anybody know how to get it FROM the romset to the CASSETTE?

I think that will fix this puppy.

[SirPeale]

Wow!  That *is* a good question.  You might want to tack that one over @ the mame.net forums.

[crashwg]

Make sure to keep us informed though.  I just love to hear everyone's success stories on things like this.

[fredster]

any suggestions on what mame forum?

[SirPeale]

any suggestions on what mame forum?

I already told you.  Read my message again.

[rotheblog]

Do you have any photos of that Burgertime that you picked up nearly 5 years ago that you could share?  I don't suppose it has the generic sideart that you see in the flyers...the colored swirl.

[Ed_McCarron]

Wait, are you allowed to do this?  Teeeecccchnically, you don't own the rom... 

Gotta be some way to massage it into a wav file you can record to cassette.  Whats the .bas file contain?  The decoded rom?  If so, you'd need to know the frequencies used, the recording format, etc.

There are utils to convert C64 stuff back into audio, so there is precedent.

[Hoopz]

Wait, are you allowed to do this?  Teeeecccchnically, you don't own the rom... 

Gotta be some way to massage it into a wav file you can record to cassette.  Whats the .bas file contain?  The decoded rom?  If so, you'd need to know the frequencies used, the recording format, etc.

There are utils to convert C64 stuff back into audio, so there is precedent.

You realize that the original posts here are from 2004?  It was bumped for a shot at the artwork. 

[Ed_McCarron]

What, like you think I read this stuff?  Who do you think I am, Chad?

[Kevin Mullins]

Teeeecccchnically, you don't own the rom... 

Teeeecccchnically....... the cassette IS the ROM.
Well, it holds a complete program.
There was a cassette and a matched security dongle that went with each game.
The rest of the pcb hardware is identical in every aspect.

Even though this was an old thread, still would be nice to know what has evolved in this matter.
The cassette player and the cassettes themselves were the number one killer of these machines.

[Ed_McCarron]

Teeeecccchnically, you don't own the rom... 

Teeeecccchnically....... the cassette IS the ROM.

And since he doesn't have the cassette (or didn't 4 years ago...) he can't play it in MAME, right?

This has the potential to be a fun thread. 

I'm surprised that noones hacked a CD of this stuff together in the intervening time.

[SirPeale]

I believe it's legally okay since he has the hardware and the dongle.  The cassette in this instance is like a hard drive on a Blitz or a Gauntlet: Legends.

[Beretta]

agree with sirpeale, this should be ok, it should be covered under fair use.

he has an original which is no longer working under fair use it's ok to have backup of something you legitimately own.

so making a backup cassette to play in place of the original now broken one he should be just fine as long as he keeps the original broken cassette as well.

[Kevin Mullins]

Even if the cassette is missing....... it would be no different from picking up say a Pac-Man board that was missing ROMs, you own the original hardware, you have the right to burn new ROMs in order to repair it.
In this case the "ROM" data happens to be on a cassette, so I personally see it no different in that they are attempting to "burn" a new cassette.

And to think I gave a few of these cassettes away to a fella wanting to buy just the hardware from my machines. (including a Burgertime cassette and matching dongle)
 

[fredster]

I appreciate the replies.  However, in the last few years I have pretty much stopped working on Arcade Machines.

I sold this on ebay some years back.  It was just the board. The machine was some double hacked centrurian cabinet.

The only Arcades I have left are breaking down about everytime I run them anymore.  I have a 60 in one board that will pretty much replace all of my good machines with the exception of my prized Asteroids Cocktail.  I'll geti it in one day.

Now that my kids are up there now, and we all have 360's and laptops, we play Halo on the console and Command and Conquer on the laptops.

I tried to turn on my Mame Machine in the den, and somebody had reprogrammed the Xarcade interface card, and I didn't even want to fix it.

[Dartful Dodger]

We waited 5 years and that's how you end this saga?

This thread sux.

[Ed_McCarron]

Just pretend he's PixelHugger.

[fredster]

Life sucks then you get hit by an 18 wheeler.

[TOK]

I expected so more of the Grand Prophet Of Arcadeology. 

[mvsfan]

only thing i can even come close to is to load freedos and dos mame onto an Sd card and turn off all echo and make sure it boots right into burgertime and only burgertime.

then you want to plug this sd card into an sd to ide interface hooked up to a pc, and lock the card so the whole thing is completely embedded.

thats all i can offer for the quickest way to fix this puppy. also, burgertime should run on some older pc hardware that you could get for a song. fact, sombodys probably giving it away right now in your area.

[mvsfan]

also, this gives me a question that i really need to ask. has anyone come out with a patch for Deco Tape roms so you dont have to sit and wait for the countdown to load as if its loading from a cassette?

this part is inherently stupid. if thats part of what the mame authors count as authenticity, no wonder some games get knocked out with new releases cause they arent perfect.

[TOK]

Can you hold down Insert or use the F10 key to speed through it?
Not a great solution for a cab, but that should uncap the games speed and let it blast through the load time.

[mvsfan]

Can you hold down Insert or use the F10 key to speed through it?
Not a great solution for a cab, but that should uncap the games speed and let it blast through the load time.

Absolutely, that would work but we are talking about load time in a cabinet. all i would need to know is wich file of deco controls the load screen and time and im sure i could come up with something to bust it.

Unfortunately i am not at all skilled in editing mame games.

somewhere in infinity though among things ive got castlevania 2 my edition.

what im saying is that i know nes and snes like the back of my hand.

but the multiple file structure of mame has made it all but impossible for me to know where to begin.

I can take a nes or smc file and spin it on its head with hex workshop or thingy.

as far as i know though nobody has ever been able to produce an informative document on what makes mame games tick.

i might be wrong though.

[Beretta]

ya the deco tape load is cute the first time then it's just annoying.

once they implement save states for every game this will no longer be a hassle.

in the mean time most games can handle save states ok although that probably is'nt very cab friendly either.

[aw]

its not illegal to repair a motherboard w original rom even if you dont own the rom you own the hardware for the rom and since the original manafacture is not manafacture ing the original motherboard or the original rom cassette then its ok to repair said motherboard to working order and you can even charge a quarter per game if fixed .
you however CAN NOT manafacture bootleg boards using the rom..
WHELL DUH we all know that here...
example of legal thing to do .
you have said pcb like for instance a Pacman midway pcb and no roms but you happen to have pcb board w color proms!!!! witch is just a funky name for a nother rom but its a prom cause its smaller sized skinny chip none the less you already have the color proms cause it came w board but no normal 2532 roms.
you see a pacman rom set on ebay w out color proms and buy it insert into pacman board and it boots this is not illegal its not MICROSOFT software witch is licenced its a mask of a rom witch is inside of a microchip witch is for educational and informational purposes can be copied for the sole purpose of repair of said pcb you can not sell illegal pcbs's IE bootleg pcb's f said roms game but you can use roms to repair a pcb! even color proms although those probably should and would be sold sepratly on ebay. remember when someone sells or buys roms on ebay they are selling the labor to burn and the chips the roms are givin as a repair item cause the buyer can or does not know how to burn eeproms or nor has a eeprom burner to take from original general instruments chips or has no mame to get roms from .. now that we know what legal and whats not.
onto Amuzement device law in Minnesota according to local law the state does and would and will never care what rom set or nor what game or even if its a bootleg(witch is not bootleg most bootleg boards were the in fact japan original board before it was licenced to midway or from tatio to itself))) I have a original galaga pcb witch seems bootleg but infact was made before the midway version existed as a licenced namco version under the midway name and is actually not bootleg exept that it was bootleged imported to the usa! otherwise unless midway licenced it as a repair kit for a working game in the feild witch i think thats how these boards came about! it is the original galaga program says NAMCO on high score but no (c) just 1 9 8 2 and you can not shoot down the mother ship tractor beam bee like you can in Midway version and acording to legend NAMCO never intended you to beable to shoot down the tractor beam but i think they lost the program in there replacement boards . so they were not bootleg boards.. NOW the reason  i bring that up is because noone in there right mind exept for namco who has rights to is going to make a bootleg version pcb of any game from 198x so on that note any rom or roms socalled illegal are infact legal to be used as repair to make a original game run. now as far as that tape program you would probably find some arcade operators like LEIBERMAN MUSIC or some one like that who might have the licencing capability or even the original cassette and even the cassette drive you might need or know how to fix youre game...
the hard part is not the legal crap since you have ONE original pcb you now only need to find the cassette rom now if its in basic then all you need is to load it onto a commodore in basic and see what happens if it runs then you know the arcade pcb is a modified commodore but if its just renamed to .bas then mabie rename it to .wav and play it and see if it plays music or a combo of music and cassette info like ana atari 800 tape but not stereo but data then music for while then data again. I would probably since tapes are so damn futzy would just forget trying to fix but if you do get program mabie you could just retrofit a mp3 player now as far as i know most DECO systems just used the tape for sound music effect but turned them on and off according to game play  a nother source for a deco system is a pinball machine called jacks are better or jacks to open i cant remember name but remember the music locking up and hearing the horendes noise of tape being eaten threw the amp on the pinball machine..
I heard and was playing moonpatrol too when this happend to the sound track not the aliens being shoot but the music!! was a eight track deco sound system so i think the only thing on the cassette is the sound track if it had some way of loading program onto eeproms then loading it to them then burning or keeping them alive threw battery then the whole system is lame and youre better off just keeping the  board and using a ultrapaq keybaord switch and mame and use the board as licence to run one game ..
wow those deco systems was told whilse the operator gave me 5 extra credits on moonpatrol told me that cassette system sucks and now that the tape is eaten I have to repair it i told them just snip off the crappy section of tape and splice back to gether and he said have you ever repaired a eight track tape before and i said yeah once it sucked then i remember them taking the whole cassette out of moonpatrol witch looked like a frogger pcb out of the cabinet and let me finish my game I said i dont care about the backround music I just want to get to level 2 w the black car and then he locked the cabinet and gave me 5 credits then i let someone else who said they are GOOD and would get me to 2nd level then they did I watched remembered paterns then once they got to level 2 they just walked away and said here are some extra ships and here you go level 2 i was like WOW>..
so if you have deco system try quarter arcade mabie they have parts....
I bet youul fix it sometime.
I almost got a mp3 player to work w atari800 but gave up since i coulnot get the original atari tape player to save and reload successfully to even try the mp3 player fake tape trick witch probably would have worked!.
GOOD LUCK.
I have a data east cabinet had astro fighter but came w no screen or pcb now it has pacman pcb and miss packman + pacman or ms pacman!..
 

[aw]

wow a nother rant that was a long reply I need some sleep

[aw]

NOW someone else can reply to my long rambling about (c) informational and educational purposes. for repair of single pcb for not profit.
namco not for hire.

[aw]

HMM very interesting if mame makes you wait then its actually loading a cassette rom into rom space cause remember it emulates real hardware.
an atari cassette tape for 2600 loads a wav file into s supercharger and it works cause the emulation sees sound as orignal file and since youre emulating whole thing thats why you have to wait mabie there is another version of same game on mame you can run instead ..
remember an amuzement device tax stamp sticker is for one GAME or amuzement device its not a licence from orignal rom programmer thats a whole other (c) crock then tax licence is just to have a vending tax licence and you have to pay taxes based on amount of coins or bills takein in you donot have to log errors just count the $ then tax youre self according ly.
example in course of the 1 year you count $ at banks coin counting machine then find out you have $300 worth of 25¢ quarters takin in in that one year so you add $300 to youre taxes as income that easy the state or local county could care less what game is called or weather its a illegal or bootleg version of the said game youre runnning on machine w tax stamp just that you can not transfer tax stamp from one title to a nother machine you can change game in machine but can not use two machines w same or old sticker on new machine you must get new one sticker... thats the only legal tax thing you have to worry about not weather the main (c) is going to sue you for repairing a old game they would be happy the technoligy is still working instead of worring about one person selling someone else a rom set to get a game working in fact they probably would want that to happen so there game would live on . mabie who owns deco or data east might still have somone who worked or works there who could sell a personal copy of tape program you need or mabie look on ebay they have lots of original games some w roms instead of tape w same program and samples instead of tape music sounds same but not the exact same nothing compares to tape compared to sampled tape on chip!..
 

[aw]

here found this using google
http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/2949
 

[aw]

I would think you would be better off w the midway version you could call it a bootleg but its licenced like most boards people think are bootleg were actually licenced boards .. The midway verison pcb dos not need the lameo
deco tape to work.
http://www.quarterarcade.com
try them 1st they usually have almost every game and they usully have them for sale ..
this was posted sep 2009 so if you wait till after october the lisging probably would be sold or gone but they would beable or probably would
beable to help.
try /Game.aspx/2949
good luck pasting / back in back of quarterarcade.com/?
yould figure it out.
 

[fredster]

I think that Mame was originally created by parts and pieces of Rom downloads that arcade vendors had laying around for this purpose.

The emulator part was a result of the roms being around just for this purpose. 

However, a cassette is a different animal than burning the Rom.  Burning roms is a basically straightforward process.  Cassettes are a different story, they may be formatted at a certain volume or have to use a specific length of tape.

You can always fix a bad board with a romset.  It's just a part.  And you can own the romsets as long as you own the board.  The board is your "licence".