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Flip - a compact vpin table...
« on: January 10, 2021, 05:12:11 am »
Finally got around to starting my vpin build. I’ve had the bits for this thing for years - just never the time or the space to do it. Well now I have *some* time, but still very little space, so I’ve had to be a little creative in my design for this thing.

It’s called Flip for a couple of reasons - it’s an obvious play on the flippers from pinball, it goes along with Blip, and the playfield can be ‘flipped’ into play when it’s being used, and flipped down when not - saving a *lot* of space… if it all works out as planned then the final cab shouldn’t be more than a foot deep when not being used.

Here’s a model of what I am going for… (clicky make biggy)



The backbox part of the cabinet will be mounted to the wall with heavy bolts. Luckily I have solid walls and it can take the weight easily. When the table is up, foldable breakfast bar legs will support the front of the cabinet meaning the weight is evenly distributed.

The main points of stress will be the hinges connecting the backbox to the playfield part, so I will be using heavy-duty hinges for this part secured via bolts to the frame. I’ve tested these hinges out already and they’re more than strong enough for this.

The PC will be housed in the backbox as I do not want that moving around. I am trying to keep the majority of the weight in the backbox.

I’ll be using a 24” 16:10 monitor for the backbox, a 43” 4K TV for the playfield along with a real DMD. For a change I’ll be building the entire cabinet from plywood as it’s lighter and more rigid than MDF (albeit more tricky to work with)

First cutting of wood starts tomorrow... let's see how many injuries I do to myself this time!

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2021, 08:22:51 am »
Something told me to check the Project Announcements page... And, as always, you do not disappoint! The names you come up with are also as well thought out as your builds. I'd be disappointed if you had a pirate theme and called it "Arrrgh-cade". It would still be cool, but you've led me to expect better from you than that :lol

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2021, 09:48:25 am »
That's a clever design.   :cheers:

I'm Really glad to see you are back at it with a new project.  This will be fun to follow.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2021, 10:21:04 am »
oh man can't wait to see how this turns out so I can copy it.   ;D

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 01:46:14 pm »
I'd be disappointed if you had a pirate theme and called it "Arrrgh-cade".
Next on the list!

I'm Really glad to see you are back at it with a new project.  This will be fun to follow.
Cheers! It should be fun to build. It's a lot smaller than a fullsize cab so the pieces are easier to handle. That said, there's some pretty tight tolerances and I think getting some of the curves right is going to be tricky. I'm planning on taking my time with this.

oh man can't wait to see how this turns out so I can copy it.   ;D
... and make it better no doubt! Your woodgrain cab is looking very very nice  :cheers:

The major thing I'm not sure about (although there are 100 things that I'm minorly not sure about!), is the angle of the playfield, which will dictate the backbox mounting height. I mocked it up at the 6 degrees recommended somewhere but it didn't seem anywhere near steep enough visually so I might have to play around with that. Unless anyone who has used one of these things has any ideas?


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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 08:27:18 pm »
 I love your design. The table side almost looks like a flipper if it was a bit narrower towards the front and rounded off some. I know functionality really limits the shape you can go with.

As far as your concern with the angle, my personal thought is 6 degrees will be fine. I played with angles when building mine and the playfield is at about 4 degrees.

This will be a fun project to watch take shape.  :cheers:

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 09:03:47 pm »
Very cool! Couple questions -

Instead of mounting it to the wall, is there any way you could put back legs on to make it free standing and require less beefy hinges?

Any concern about the screen or glass being vulnerable to kicks or accidents when flipped away for storage?

Lastly, is there anything cool you can do with it when it's flipped for storage that makes it useful still? Like, make it a giant digital picture frame, or display a clock, be a jukebox, or maybe a weather\traffic station?

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2021, 09:53:19 pm »
Interesting project as always! Like Lepinlew I'm worried about any damage. All will be black when not used so I don't see the benefit to let it open like that. Folded backward could be better and you could add a dart game at the back.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 12:35:35 am »
Will be interesting to see how something bolted to the wall will affect nudge in the long run. Something has to give.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2021, 04:57:29 am »
I love your design. The table side almost looks like a flipper if it was a bit narrower towards the front and rounded off some. I know functionality really limits the shape you can go with.

As far as your concern with the angle, my personal thought is 6 degrees will be fine. I played with angles when building mine and the playfield is at about 4 degrees.

Thanks for that! That's cool to know - the shallower the angle then the lower I can place the backbox. And yes - the playfield part is supposed to look like a flipper. It's more obvious when looked at side on. It's definitely one of the more difficult pieces to build though as when lifting the playfield part I want it to rotate on an axis.

Very cool! Couple questions -

Instead of mounting it to the wall, is there any way you could put back legs on to make it free standing and require less beefy hinges?

Any concern about the screen or glass being vulnerable to kicks or accidents when flipped away for storage?

Lastly, is there anything cool you can do with it when it's flipped for storage that makes it useful still? Like, make it a giant digital picture frame, or display a clock, be a jukebox, or maybe a weather\traffic station?

I did think about the back legs thing - and may end up using something if it looks like it's not rock solid. It is something I'm bearing in mind along with the playfield glass strength. I was going to use tempered(?) glass which should be able to handle the occasional bump. I am trying to avoid using perspex as it scratches way to easily - but may end up going that way.

A jukebox sounds like a cool idea though - I hadn't thought of that!

Interesting project as always! Like Lepinlew I'm worried about any damage. All will be black when not used so I don't see the benefit to let it open like that. Folded backward could be better and you could add a dart game at the back.

Folded backwards was my original plan, but I couldn't find a nice way to design it without it looking like a huge ungainly box. And I'm not allowed the have a dartboard in the house anymore after a prior 'incident'  ;D

Will be interesting to see how something bolted to the wall will affect nudge in the long run. Something has to give.

Nudge is an interesting one. I do like the idea of a nudge and I think there might be enough 'give' at the front to support it. I may end up adding buttons to control nudge instead but I'll try it out once the initial basic build is done.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2021, 12:45:03 pm »
Like Lew, I’d be concerned with having the screen that low and exposed. Even with glass, it seems vulnerable.


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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 10:09:25 pm »
I hate everything about this.

This forum needs more threads about Arcade 1Up cabinets.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2021, 11:17:13 pm »
I dig it! 

I see you rotate your rotating vpin perpendicular to my rotating vpin... but your schwartz is as big as mine.

I found six degrees to be the minimum angle that looked and felt okay to me, if the playfield is parallel to the top edge of the playfield box.  I suspect you could go steeper if you wanted.  Some people set the PF monitor more flat than the taper of the box that it is in, which may contribute to you getting reports of differing incline numbers.


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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 04:07:56 am »
Like Lew, I’d be concerned with having the screen that low and exposed. Even with glass, it seems vulnerable.

Seems to be a common concern - I'm gonna think about this bit some more. I assumed toughened glass would be strong enough to handle the odd bump but maybe I'm inviting trouble. The location where it will be placed is out of the usual walking about area (in between existing cabs and a table) but still...

I hate everything about this.

I really wish you wouldn't sit on the fence with this. ;) It's definitely not a cab for everyone, but will suit my purposes fine


I found six degrees to be the minimum angle that looked and felt okay to me, if the playfield is parallel to the top edge of the playfield box.  I suspect you could go steeper if you wanted.  Some people set the PF monitor more flat than the taper of the box that it is in, which may contribute to you getting reports of differing incline numbers.

Cheers  :cheers: The playfield will likely be parallel to the top as I need to put the bass speaker at the back but I might fiddle with it a little. I'm leaning towards around 6-10 degrees. but when I'm further on and made the shell I can try it.

Unfortunately, the weather has been crap so I've not been able to start cutting yet. I've been doing some prelim artwork for the backbox though:



*Very* early draft meaning everything it's more about seeing what I could put on there. Background will change, fonts will probably change but I'm kinda liking how the logo works in the shape I have.

There likely wont be any artwork on the playfield sides as I want it to look like a flipper so might wrap it in white vinly. Haven't decided yet

Anyway - cheers for the feedback (good and *especially* bad  :))

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 08:12:54 am »
Cheers!   :cheers:

I like your side art idea regarding the logo.  Early, but that's got promise.  Good stuff. 

If you plan to use some physical vpin toys, it helps on projects like this to plan them in up front if you haven't already.  They make fake pinball a little less fake, and when you get clever about the overall form factor like this, you don't have an enormous cavernous trunk of a main cabinet box to stuff them into later.  They don't have to be physically huge, but they do consume space and have wiring implications.

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2021, 10:23:23 am »
Thanks Laythe,

I have though a little about toys. There's space towards the back of the playfield, and the backbox has *some* space - certainly enough for wiring. If I do go for physical feedback then I was thinking about using something like Surround Sound Feedback (https://vpinball.com/forums/topic/welcome-to-the-new-ssf-surround-sound-feedback-forum-2/) using exciters but I need to look into it more

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2021, 10:39:41 am »
What if you recessed the top into the wall and then had the playfield "flip" down instead of up? This would protect the playfield and you could even design it so there is artwork on the bottom that is displayed when the cabinet is not in use.

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Re: Flip - a compact vpin table...
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2021, 05:25:42 am »
i really like this idea!
i like pinball machines but the amount of space they take puts me off having one but this could be great solution to this problem.

i'm going to follow this build and see how it turns out and maybe build my own version one day.