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Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:57:15 pm »
Greetings Y'all,

I am a newbie here. I have been a member for years at KLOV and someone there sent me to this forum for this specific need.

I am about to embark on a ground up build of a Midway cabinet. One thats as close to the Pac Man, Galaga, Mrs Pac Man spec.

I have found this website that provides the PDF file for the side panels but i cant find anything similar for the rest of the cuts.

https://www.classicarcadecabinets.com/pacman.html

Is anyone aware of a really good template that has all the complete sizes and templates?

I suppose i could cut the side panels from this spec, get the Control Panel (Multi from Arcade Shop) and use it for the inside dimensions...but i was hoping there were tried and true templates already out there.

I plan on doing the cutting myself and i dont have or have access to CNC equipment.  I have saws, a hand router and pleaty of irish whiskey....so all i need are good templates (at actual size) and some wood.

Thanks!

Denicio

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2020, 07:27:47 pm »
http://jakobud.com/

This is what I used to scratch build a pac-man.  There's still a little bit of guesswork though.... it's quite difficult to measure these older cabs without tearing them apart.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2020, 07:33:16 pm »
Greetings Y'all,

I am a newbie here. I have been a member for years at KLOV and someone there sent me to this forum for this specific need.

I am about to embark on a ground up build of a Midway cabinet. One thats as close to the Pac Man, Galaga, Mrs Pac Man spec.

I have found this website that provides the PDF file for the side panels but i cant find anything similar for the rest of the cuts.

https://www.classicarcadecabinets.com/pacman.html


Is anyone aware of a really good template that has all the complete sizes and templates?

I suppose i could cut the side panels from this spec, get the Control Panel (Multi from Arcade Shop) and use it for the inside dimensions...but i was hoping there were tried and true templates already out there.

I plan on doing the cutting myself and i dont have or have access to CNC equipment.  I have saws, a hand router and pleaty of irish whiskey....so all i need are good templates (at actual size) and some wood.

Thanks!

Denicio

Don't use the PDF. Use the DXF. It is all sized correctly.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2020, 08:27:09 pm »
If you also have access to a jointer, planer, and or a spindle sander, it will make your life so much easier...As far as construction goes that is actually a good choice of cab if it is your first build, as it is built with simplistic function and high volume production in mind...It is so easy to go all 100% legit original or nothing, but you do have options that don't make it so old school, but modernized a bit...Ms pac for example, you have the option of stenciling or stickers as stencil was original, two bit side art, over blue makes for a fast clean modern build, little pink T moulding and that if done right is a beautiful machine.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2020, 09:07:05 pm »
Why would you need a jointer and planer for working with plywood?

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2020, 09:32:25 pm »
The jointer is for shaping and making router jigs mostly, but also shaving a sliver off here and there, making for an almost perfect fit, (Ply is hard on blades however) I use my little 4"jointer all the time for such tasks,
And is arguably one my most favorite machines in the shop ...The bracing (generally 3/4") Can be cut with a saw yes, but a planer won't leave any mill marks, nice smooth and perfectly sized, But again is used generally for making jigs quickly and accurately.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2020, 06:21:18 am »
However...Thats because I tend to use a small portable tablesaw so I can cut the wood outside, and cheap saws don't usually have a rail type fence, creating a drift especially on large sheets of ply, (Yes I got a bigger saw, but cutting outside is a choice)...So rather than making a bunch of bad cuts, Jenn cuts everything 1/8" oversize and uses the jointer to actually get the square.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2020, 06:59:30 am »
You could use a circular saw and a guide on large sheets. Why not just cut it right the first time?

Doesn't the glue from the plywood wreck your jointer blades?

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2020, 07:44:42 am »
Welcome Denicio,

Nice to to see someone from KLOV come this way (itís usually the other way around).

The website you listed is probably your best resource for accurate plans save for an actual cab to reference.  As MikeA pointed out youíll probably want to grab the DXF file to be able to import into a CAD program (even if you arenít going to CNC).  A popular program around here is SketchUp and you at least use to be able import the DXF into it (on the free version for the first 30 days) and put pieces together virtually before doing it in real life.  This can prevent a lot of mistakes, but it also isnít necessary.

The site lists more than the sides, it actually has all the pieces, their location and depth of cuts:




It also has a bunch of pictures at the bottom for reference.

When they list that accuracy of the cab at 85% thatís because someone hasnít given the feedback after building as to its accuracy.  This doesnít mean itís not accurate just that it hasnít been confirmed.  That website is very conservative on those accuracy ratings.

If putting it together in SketchUp sounds like a bit much Iíd probably be willing to do it for you, as I enjoy this stuff.

Oh and you donít need a jointer or a planer. 
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2020, 07:50:22 am »
Doesn't the glue from the plywood wreck your jointer blades?

Yes it does. Plywood on a jointer is a really bad idea.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2020, 08:11:29 am »
And yet again, you dont NEED a jointer or planer...Circular saws are less than perfect, for cabinet building, Ply is bad for blades, and have to use carbide for longer work times...However working with laminates especially curved plywood, I can't imagine there would be any other way (not building a Midway cab), any respectable cabinet shop would have a jointer anyway and more than likely multiple planers too, each set up for specific cuts...They are wicked dangerous machines and probably what cut the fingers off your local shop teacher,  So If you are an idiot, just don't buy one.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2020, 08:17:50 am »
Just stop spouting nonsense.


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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2020, 08:22:24 am »
Table saw, jigsaw, router and some pattern bits.  A table saw is very optional - just makes certain parts easy.  There are many track saws or guides for circular saws available for making straight cuts.  I have a jointer and surface planer.  Not needed for this work unless there are some really custom blocking needed.  I used a chop saw a number of times too. 

That cabinet has a few curves - depending on your woodworking skill - its sometimes a good idea to make them in 1/4" masonite first - then use that is a template for the actual wood using the router and a pattern bit.  The masonite is easy to shape to a pencil line - plus you end up with a reusable template.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2020, 08:27:15 am »
Just stop spouting nonsense.
You know, this is really good advice...So watch this 😈

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2020, 08:38:41 am »
And yet again, you dont NEED a jointer or planer...Circular saws are less than perfect, for cabinet building, Ply is bad for blades, and have to use carbide for longer work times...However working with laminates especially curved plywood, I can't imagine there would be any other way (not building a Midway cab), any respectable cabinet shop would have a jointer anyway and more than likely multiple planers too, each set up for specific cuts...They are wicked dangerous machines and probably what cut the fingers off your local shop teacher,  So If you are an idiot, just don't buy one.

Jennifer - there is no curved plywood in this design..  Just a curved side panel edge..  Template and a router with a pattern bit.. After that that cabinet is pretty much all straight cuts.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2020, 09:16:45 am »
I said..."NOT in building a Midway cab"...That whole cab is done with a router, we are talking about making templates, and jigs 100%.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2020, 09:21:27 am »
I said..."NOT in building a Midway cab"

If you also have access to a jointer, planer, and or a spindle sander, it will make your life so much easier...

So why did you suggest any of this in the first place?

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2020, 02:27:27 pm »
I'm sorry, unless you are a professional cabinetmaker you don't need a joiner or planar.  For our hobby you need a jigsaw, a circular saw and a router with a trim bit, slot cutting bit and straight bit...... that's it aside from something to drill your button holes with.  Any other tools one may need would probably be for a special case and only used once or twice. 

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2020, 10:39:49 pm »
Ya,
I'm sorry, unless you are a professional cabinetmaker you don't need a joiner or planar.  For our hobby you need a jigsaw, a circular saw and a router with a trim bit, slot cutting bit and straight bit...... that's it aside from something to drill your button holes with.  Any other tools one may need would probably be for a special case and only used once or twice. 
Ya that's all you need...Harbor freight even has great deals.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2020, 10:49:27 pm »
Everyone knows you are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- Jennifer. Just stop it already. It is embarrassing.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2020, 10:55:22 pm »
Everything Howard said makes perfect sense.  Your incoherent post Jen, is just baffling.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2020, 10:36:08 am »
Everyone knows you are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- Jennifer. Just stop it already. It is embarrassing.
You actually have a jointer, have you ever even tried to use it? There is a cord on it, plug it into the wall and try it...At least I build my own cabs, don't wait around for a "professional" to come over and do it for me.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2020, 10:40:53 am »
Let's see a pic of one.

I don't need a jointer to build an arcade cab.

I have never had someone build me a cab so I don't know what you are talking about.

As usual you talk a bunch of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and have nothing to back it up.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2020, 10:43:56 am »
I got a whole thread on one, go check it out.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2020, 10:47:28 am »
A link would be helpful. Or you could post a pic.


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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2020, 10:51:00 am »
I got a whole thread on one, go check it out.
Did a search - I'd like to see one of your build threads.    Can you post a link to it?

I have a Delta DJ-20 jointer.  I built a pretty significant cabinet.  Never touched the jointer or the surface planer.
I did use it last night to mill lumber for a picture frame.
thx
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2020, 10:57:01 am »
If I was at home I probably will, I do like building machines... Jenn is on the road however (Not in the shop) , Usually once a year I go looking for lost gold mines with my friends, But this year, going to just visit every state in the continental US... Currently in Co.😜

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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2020, 11:00:32 am »
You don't have to be at home to post a link.

Must be tough traveling a day after you broke a rib.

You are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Just stop it.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2020, 11:06:31 am »
OMG, it is, bumps in the road suck, I am feeling better though, don't think its broke...But Ya, was going to ride it in every state, but diddnt bring it with, So I had to get another Skateboard from W/mart...It was cheap, and diddnt roll, Dont recommend it...About 800 miles into new adventure.
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2020, 11:09:20 am »
FOCUS. Where is the link?

And what kind of moron chooses the middle of a pandemic to road trip to every state?

I can't tell if you are lying 100 percent of the time or if it is just 80 percent of the time.

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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2020, 11:13:34 am »
Lying? You got issues dude...The world is still spinning, get out of your basement, enjoy life.

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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2020, 11:20:04 am »
Check it out...Cheap gas, even...

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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2020, 11:21:35 am »
Yes lying. You never posted pics of any of these fabulous expensive machines you build. You provided nothing but excuses.

Then when you did post pics it was a busted up poker table and a cigarette vending machine. Neither of which you built.

Then you posted a pic of a couple of buck hunters and busted up drivers in some generic storage space. A far cry from the well over 100 machines you claimed.

You alternately say that you don't list or sell anything and then you talk about selling all kinds of things. I could go on.

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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2020, 11:28:49 am »
You know they have those everywhere right?

And you said you were from ND. Gas is cheaper than that there. So the price you just showed would be expensive gas for you.


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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2020, 11:38:23 am »
Jennifer,

In the 10 years that you have been here you have started 20 threads:

4 in Pinball (Restoration claim died after 2 posts, LED playfield conversion died after 5 posts, Hot New Pin part 1 & 2)
3 in Artwork (request for artwork w 1 post, Questions about Vectorizing w 4 posts, claims of getting Adobe CS5 yet haven't been able to upload a photo properly in 10 years)
2 in Monitor (Turning the picture w 1 post, Test equipment died after 5 posts no pics)
2 in Everything Else (Skateboarding, & Electrical motor)
2 in Main Forum (Opinion on Zip Tie Gun, Playfield restoration that died after 10 posts, no pics)
2 in website Discussion (Politics & religion, & a photo upload test)
2 in Woodworking (sticky threads, died after 4 posts, Picture of a scroll saw died after 6 posts)
2 Miscellaneous (1 post about holograms no pics, Jennifer's Fun day w pics of other peoples machines that you visited)
1 in Software (ROM dumping, 9 posts no pics)


Not ONE in Project Announcements.

The only one that could be construed as a project is the HOT NEW PIN, which has some pics of work being done to a playfield and some painting of the backglass box.  It has yet to be completed in 8 years, and based your history I am starting to seriously question where those pics came from.

For reference MikeA has used a Jointer, he made me this:


 
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2020, 11:44:53 am »
I dont see "Jenns hot new pin" in your list....I dont take pics, so what, deal with it...That cheese board is nice, Just saying.

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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2020, 11:50:23 am »
The hot new pin is on the first line of the list.


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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2020, 11:51:08 am »
I dont see "Jenns hot new pin" in your list....I dont take pics, so what, deal with it...That cheese board is nice, Just saying.
That's what you took from that?  "Jenns hot new pin" is missing?
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2020, 11:56:34 am »
To the OP - I'm and advanced/expert woodworker (I have plenty of visual proof and references)
Sorry to hijack your thread - it is a victim at this point.

That said - I will help you with anything you need.  Feel free to PM me or continue on this thread..
We want people to build new cabinets and are supportive of those who want to do the same.
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Re: Midway Cabinet from Scratch - Newbie
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2020, 12:00:45 pm »
Thanks for saying that Bobby.  Yes to OP, sorry about the derail, hopefully my original post was helpful, and am more than happy to help if I can.  I am 85% through building a cabinet myself from scratch so a lot of what I've learned is fresh in my head.