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NES showdown
« on: July 18, 2019, 11:31:43 pm »
So Iíve currently got a top loader with composite mod, Retro Duo, and Retron 2 lined up,  I thought it would be fun to take some comparison photos.  Same Tv, same cables, same input, same lighting. 

Hereís the newest arrival, the Retron 2.  This system has some weird quirks - you have to use an NES controller for NES games, and SNES controller for SNES games.  It has both a system toggle switch and a separate power switch.  SNES also has an eject lever.  It feels much sturdier than the Retro Duo.  I think the switch setup will last much longer.  Pack in controllers (1 snes, 1 nes) feel like garbage.  Didnít test them.  Cartridge slots arenít shaped to fit snugly around the carts, which is disappointing.  Need to be careful when putting games in it.

Retron 2





Hereís the Retro Duo.  When I bought it, it was the ďgoodĒ clone system.  It only supports SNES controllers, but they also work with NES games.  Power switch also toggles what system youíre playing.  As Iíve documented elsewhere, the PCB support is inadequate and you have to use a lot of force to get snes cartridges in and out.  Never saw the pack in controllers for this, they were tossed long ago.  Iíve currently got metal glued and clamped to whatís left of the power switch slider to see if I can repair it.  Itís also worth mentioning that my console doesnít have the screeching sound problem and has a PCB revision thatís quite a bit different from what you see on the sound mod pages.

Retro Duo






And hereís my top loader that I modded to composite.  I did the simpler mod where you cut a resistor off the board and add a transistor.  It leaves you with faint jail bars but itís more easily reversed.  You can see them on the K in hawk.

NES top loader with composite mod


All three work fine with every bootleg cart I throw at them.  All images look fine in isolation.  Retro Duo looks better than Retron 2, but the Retron 2 is probably a better choice if you want to use NES controllers and apparently itís zapper compatible.  Top loader looks better than other ones but has to be modded.

If anyone has a suggestion for a good repro NES controller Iíd be happy to hear it.

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 11:39:06 pm »
Bonus SNES photos, I donít have an original to compare them against.

Retron 2



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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 11:40:45 pm »
Awesome thread.  :cheers:
Been interested in a comparison like this. I never gamed on a retron but I see them everywhere on the usual secondhand places for sale.
Kinda disappointing looking for the top loader. To my eyes the Retron 2 looks the best (third image?), but the jailies would bother the hell out of me on the top loader.

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 11:46:23 pm »
I've been wondering about those cheaper hd enabled nes clones.  All the usual youtube suspects say they are crap, but a lot of those guys are accuracy nerds so it's hard to tell even with comparison videos. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 12:28:38 am »
Added some labels to the first post to make it a little more clear which image belongs to which system.

The jail bars suck but theyíre not too bad from a few feet away and you also get a reliable NES which kinda trumps all other concerns anyway.  Iíll probably break down at some point and cut the leg on the chip to see if that cleans them up.  That also kills RF functionality though and just seems wrong to me.

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Guess we could get really comprehensive and put in some Pi and Famiclone in a controller pics.  Those Famiclones looked bad to me long before I cared about such things...

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 10:57:47 am »
My Power Joy is apparently dead, so no NOAC photos.  Maybe that'll be another pointless project soon....

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2019, 07:46:44 pm »
Original Xbox via composite on the same TV. Using whatever emulator is in CoinOps. This may actually be the worst yet.

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2019, 02:26:34 am »
Retron 2 definitely looks the best of the clones from here :)

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2019, 10:28:27 am »
Might want to go check in with one of your optometrist friends, Dr. Nick.

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2019, 01:18:22 pm »
Yeah it's got some bad de-interlacing jaggies. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2019, 01:20:42 pm »
And the color palette is completely different......

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2019, 01:55:14 pm »
Well that's always subjective.  Well all had different tvs back in the day and since they were analog the color temperatures varied a great deal.  It's a little on the pink side but not THAT horrible. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2019, 02:14:02 pm »
Same TV, same input, same lighting, same camera. 

Maybe it's my colorblindness in effect here, but it looks very different to me.  I'm one of those guys that camouflage doesn't usually work on, though.


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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2019, 09:32:54 pm »
I didn't mean your setup was any different from shot to shot, I meant back in the 80's/90's we all had tvs and because they were the old style things could look very different from setup to setup.  Memory is a funny thing.  To me anyway the first shot has the red saturation turned up too much, the second is about right and the third is a little undersaturated overall. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2019, 09:56:32 pm »
First one, dudeís helmet and the Milton Bradley text looks hot pink / silver to me. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2019, 10:55:45 pm »
Yeah it's on the pink side when it should be on the orange side. 

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 03:22:04 am »
I'm just going to sit in the corner and rub salt into my eyes until my vision problems are cured.  Personally I blame my current TV for making the images look better then they should be.  I like Pink :)

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Re: NES showdown
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 10:20:53 am »
They all look fine in isolation.  The top loader is probably the most crisp.

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