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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #80 on: May 22, 2019, 02:01:25 am »
I know, I know...The pics could be better, I have tried everything Jenn can think of and still have problems understanding how everyone makes it look so easy. I got excessive file size otherwise...Sorry about that.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #81 on: May 22, 2019, 02:59:19 am »
Malenco... After a quick peek, I gotta be like OMG! you have done something few would dare, That is absolutely astounding work and thank you for the link  :applaud:, and I will have to check out what others have done over there too.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2019, 10:55:38 am »
Those decals look pretty good.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2019, 01:31:20 pm »
Not everyone clears them, So in that light they worked really nice for me, but black is really difficult not to show scratches and wish they would have had transfer tape on them, Those Gen 2 on E/pay most likely do for anyone looking to try this...But Thanks...PBJ APPROVED! (Dance,Dance ;))

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2019, 02:55:30 pm »
You can always email me the pix and I'll upload them here for you.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2019, 03:02:31 pm »
Also, Checkpoint is one those games that's strangely present at every show I've attended.  For a game that only had a run of 3,500 there sure as hell are a lot of them in circulation.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2019, 03:36:12 pm »
I have had a couple of them over the years, They are wicked ugly to work on, usually at least here anyway requiring a scope to at least trace false triggers, Wouldn't recommend it to a first time pin owner...This one had massive amounts of coil dust in it, Jenn cleaned it  out with  magnets and about to start on the shop out/Light restore.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #87 on: May 23, 2019, 06:07:05 pm »
Very nice work on the painting and decals Jen.  That little compressor looks like a mini version of my own.  I have a question for you on coin doors but its a bit off topic so I'll PM you.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2019, 06:29:51 pm »
Malenco... After a quick peek, I gotta be like OMG! you have done something few would dare, That is absolutely astounding work and thank you for the link  :applaud:, and I will have to check out what others have done over there too.

I started colorizing HS2:TG
http://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/3984-the-getaway-high-speed-ii-malenko-edition/

I'm really not a narcissist, there were just 2 or 3 other people working on their own versions, so I thought Malenko Edition was funny.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #89 on: May 24, 2019, 12:10:40 am »
I played a lot of pins with colordmds at zapcon.  They arenít nearly bright enough and I much prefer the original gas displays.  The graphics were neat and Malenko has done excellent work.  Iím sure people that arenít familiar with the old displays think the color ones are awesome but eh.  On the other hand... looks like the color dmd leds are $365... and the gas displays are like $200 now.... so Iíd probably buy the led if I needed a new display.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2019, 08:08:33 am »
There's 2 kinds, ColorDMD and Pin2DMD. ColorDMD is the better choice but with Pin2DMD anyone can color the game. Both have brightness adjustments and none of the games at Zapcon had the brightness above medium.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2019, 01:27:16 pm »
What do the assembled Pin2DMD kits sell for?

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2019, 01:36:31 pm »
Doing one last test fit to get everything aligned properly, That Dmd panel is just some junk I found digging around in my mess, Strangely enough It is from a Getaway, but we already made already new one we are going to use with upgraded speaker holes....My thoughts on Dmd brightness Jenni would think too bright and it would reflect off the glass and be already bit distracting,.. ..They also make a light up gauge mod for this machine, but again I would have to think too much reflection, And most likely won't use it.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2019, 02:08:57 pm »
What do the assembled Pin2DMD kits sell for?

Only kits I know of are available in Europe. About $185 before shipping. Pretty sure it's still cheaper to piece it all together yourself, but I quit looking into it after I sold Johnny.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2019, 07:08:14 pm »
Very nice work on the painting and decals Jen.  That little compressor looks like a mini version of my own.  I have a question for you on coin doors but its a bit off topic so I'll PM you.
That compressor is my little workhorse, usually Jenn uses a 5hp craftsman for painting, but not everyone has money to throw around on multiple tanks, and fancy tools so just tried to show the very min. basic of what could be used for the results, It did turn out nice (Thx)... But it is not done yet.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #95 on: June 20, 2019, 01:41:09 am »
It is not my intention to make this look so hard, Normally as a cab it would have been good enough awhile ago and still would have been miles ahead of the factory production standards...But final word on tanks, There is confusing math on the subject but generally speaking bigger is better, but for entry level would not go any smaller  (or tankless) than what we used for this project. And even that was pushing our luck...5hp/30 gal would have been more forgiving in terms of not running out of air, and would have allowed more control over keeping it wet and flow, on a hot/warm day by using overreducing, (slightly) and having a higher sustained pressure at the gun for the area we were painting...The tank we used was too small for such luxury, and we just ran it dry, and actually was finishing each side with little to no pressure in the tank, and relied more on the motor to finish up on each side, opening up the possibility of pulsing pressure, and water/oil in the lines with a motor running Constant like that...But, we did get lucky however, and will get back the next phase, probably this weekend, or early next week for those just joining us.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2019, 12:26:48 pm »
T moulding...This machine never had it so kind of a mod I suppose, I was going to document the process for those that have never done it, cause every time you see a project like this the T is just done like it was no big deal. It is not hard but does require some forthought and a steady hand...And for those following along, this should have been done way back in the building stage not after the art was applied...Anyway, Jenn has done miles of this stuff and waited to the end, and it did come out nice, Notice how I stopped at the end, and left about 1/8" rather than just cut all the way through. :o
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2019, 09:24:31 pm »
On the subject of cutting the T-molding slot... For those new to the task... It helps to set the depth of the router bit, lock it in, then turn the router on for a bit, turn it off and make sure your bit depth did not change. Also, check that depth a few times while cutting, just to make sure the bit isn't drifting. In other words... Tighten the ever-loving piss out of the bit.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #98 on: July 08, 2019, 10:52:20 pm »
That is good advice Nephasth, it doesn't take much for things to go wrong with T molding... What we have here are the parts being prepped for clear, A woodworkers trick is to coat the end grain  (and holes) with watered down wood glue as a sealer giving a more even coverage for stain/topcoat...I use fibre glass resin (I didn't show this when we painted the backbox) But resin is more compatible with the solvent based paints/primers and sealers Jenn uses. It also locks down the laminate to help prevent cracking from age (remember we used cured and dried wood) now it is sealed, and when painted/cleared it looks like plastic...we are doing this as pieces prior to assembly because it is much easier and faster...If anyone plans to try this, Mix 2 oz. Put on a nitril glove and force it into the grain with your fingers (work fast cause it gels pretty quickly. Don't let it harden before trimming, use a clean razor blade (wipe the oil off it) and trim the slop off while the resin is rubbery, It will save you tons of work on the back end. (Wink)
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2019, 07:00:38 pm »
Not all T moulding is created equal, That is to say there is no real standard and can be quite confusing, spline depth/width centering on the workpiece all factor in. As it pertains to this project I used a small bearing, adjusted the depth with a piece of milled oak taped to the inside edge for the bearing to ride on, normally one would just change the bearing to larger but this allows for some adjustment... https://www.t-molding.com/Is a good place to get started and learn the process since they give you the size  of their groove required for the moulding (decent selection) and offer quality bits, They served my needs well when I first got started, ...This isn't from there however, My tastes have got quite exotic over the years (and they didn't have gloss black that I saw anyway) so had to mix and match, run tests and just do the math all old school.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #100 on: July 10, 2019, 01:47:13 pm »
Not all T moulding is created equal, That is to say there is no real standard and can be quite confusing, spline depth/width centering on the workpiece all factor in.

can confirm, even from the same manufacturer. Been buying t-moulding for our cocktail cabinets and had to specally purchase a 2mm slot cutter to get the spline bar to hold properly in the moulding from the place we are ordering from.... then after 8 or 10 50 foot rolls over the last 4 some odd years, it changed. now it's 3mm.  :dunno same part numbers, same manufacturer. same everything. been 3mm last 3 rolls now so hopefully it's going to stay.

i've been buying t-moulding first and doublechecking the spline before I cut just to be sure.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #101 on: July 11, 2019, 05:09:57 pm »
Not all T moulding is created equal, That is to say there is no real standard and can be quite confusing, spline depth/width centering on the workpiece all factor in.

can confirm, even from the same manufacturer. Been buying t-moulding for our cocktail cabinets and had to specally purchase a 2mm slot cutter to get the spline bar to hold properly in the moulding from the place we are ordering from.... then after 8 or 10 50 foot rolls over the last 4 some odd years, it changed. now it's 3mm.  :dunno same part numbers, same manufacturer. same everything. been 3mm last 3 rolls now so hopefully it's going to stay.

i've been buying t-moulding first and doublechecking the spline before I cut just to be sure.
After some quick math... You average around 10ft. a month, That is far removed from your average first time hobbyist, And quite impressive. I bet you could write a book on the subject and have quite a bit invested in your work area with heat guns special hammers and such, and that's only a small piece of your monthly parts needs if your building complete cabs. again quite impressive in this day and age, I don't think many do that anymore  It took Me a long time to fully understand the truth in your observations...However Jennifer has a shameful secret...

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2019, 05:35:13 pm »
T moulding comes coiled in a box around a foot square, and when you open it (at least jenn does anyway) has buyers remorse and disappointment at quality (from most venders) It is semi gloss or flat, looks extruded, usually has scuffs on it that you have to cut around to get a decent piece, Might in some cases even have crimped edges from the ties and looks somewhat damaged from just rubbing around in the shipping box led me on a search...Atomic market (A/zon/ Epay) finally in my mind created a flexible, shiny quality product, but the spline is quite short...Soooo, If you guys look at that test piece in that groove closely you will notice the barbs grab, but there is slop beings it is slightly overcut...Now, Back to L/shawns observations, and on a restoration the T is always going to be wrong in some respect because of the non conformity... Since my groove has some play I glue it in with a slow drying epoxy and tape it center for a perfect fit... Cheating I know, but the short spline, needs the extra hold IMO, and when someone someday hates on me during a restoration of that cab, they will have to recut the groove anyway cause the T they buy most likely wouldn't fit the groove anyway. :( 

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2019, 12:11:04 am »
After some quick math... You average around 10ft. a month, That is far removed from your average first time hobbyist, And quite impressive. I bet you could write a book on the subject and have quite a bit invested in your work area with heat guns special hammers and such, and that's only a small piece of your monthly parts needs if your building complete cabs. again quite impressive in this day and age, I don't think many do that anymore  It took Me a long time to fully understand the truth in your observations...However Jennifer has a shameful secret...

LUL yes, I work for an amusement company putting games, pool tables, jukeboxes, and the like into bars and lounges all over the place. it's not uncommon to drive 4 or 5 hours to a remote location.

and as a side gig when things are slow (like as of lately) we build cocktail video games that we sell... we average about 20 sales a year for the last 4 years now. (most around christmas time of course.) and will be coming up on our 5th year pretty soon.

so yeah, we go through a buttload of t-moulding. i'll do up a batch of cabinets and use up almost a whole roll.

T moulding comes coiled in a box around a foot square, and when you open it (at least jenn does anyway) has buyers remorse and disappointment at quality (from most venders) It is semi gloss or flat, looks extruded, usually has scuffs on it that you have to cut around to get a decent piece, Might in some cases even have crimped edges from the ties and looks somewhat damaged from just rubbing around in the shipping box led me on a search...Atomic market (A/zon/ Epay) finally in my mind created a flexible, shiny quality product, but the spline is quite short...Soooo, If you guys look at that test piece in that groove closely you will notice the barbs grab, but there is slop beings it is slightly overcut...Now, Back to L/shawns observations, and on a restoration the T is always going to be wrong in some respect because of the non conformity... Since my groove has some play I glue it in with a slow drying epoxy and tape it center for a perfect fit... Cheating I know, but the short spline, needs the extra hold IMO, and when someone someday hates on me during a restoration of that cab, they will have to recut the groove anyway cause the T they buy most likely wouldn't fit the groove anyway. :( 

yeah it's tough to get a good quality product these days. seems to be real hit and miss. sometimes you get a good one, sometimes you get shite and you just have to work with it sometimes. we ended up with a roll a while back... i don't know if it was old or what, but it was so cock stiff, it took plenty of heat gun action just to bend it around a radius. glad when that roll was gone.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2019, 05:15:59 am »
 In that groove pic it looks like the paint is all chipped, but that's not the case, it black and smooth as the hood on a Ferrari  (or whatever that theme car on this game is supposed to be) That is just sawdust...It is a good pic however of just how thin those five coats of the high velocity clear actually are, basically that was used as a interlock sealer to protect the art/color from the trauma of cutting the groove...Next time we will bury it under high build, paint the back with semi gloss trim and try to finish this up so we can move on.
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #105 on: August 27, 2019, 02:34:11 pm »
Almost done let's power through, For those just joining us this was painted twice (color change on art) that is why it took so long, and I don't keep notes or pics so we do this till it is assembled before I forget how before we move on...Today since this is the topcoat  money shot we want to do all we can to minimize any assembly problems or damage...Pre drill all hardware holes, cut and fit T, (but don't put on yet) Fit and center the silk to back with simple jig, and prep for the last coats...Any questions, or need tips  just ask, Jenn will snap some pics for you.

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« Reply #106 on: August 27, 2019, 08:40:38 pm »
nice. can't wait to see a finished machine. been a long time comming!

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« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2019, 10:49:04 am »
Our first real disaster mishap...water in the lines (I can only blame myself) The perfect storm of circumstance. Paint and water don't mix, and got pimples all over it...Luckily Jenn keeps a thinner (reducuer, less harsh than  can around Lauer thinner or acetone) and like it sounds stay up all night, and wipe the paint off with rags while still wet...Use adiquite ventilation if you ever try this.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2019, 05:29:03 pm »
Taped it, nailed it, good to go! (dance?). Let that tack up, and cook under chicken lights now that shrinkage it not a problem we can do that, cycle 1 hour on 3 hours off,...In the meantime on to the light board... Blocked flat 1 last time, and set up to start a 45 deg. Chamfer on the holes, this wasn't done at the factory, but will open the holes up a bit and give a nice finished look, and the Leds will fit better (IMO).

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« Reply #109 on: August 29, 2019, 11:38:45 am »
Today we shall scrub the shine off with a gray pad (for adhesion ) and do the deep clear UV protection, and white primer on the lightboard...
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #110 on: August 29, 2019, 12:11:26 pm »
Pics or it didn't happen
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #111 on: August 29, 2019, 04:28:11 pm »
Oh yes this is happining...I guess You guys have been here through all this and deserve to see the progress too, So I took some pics (Jenn will put them up when I am a little less sticky).

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« Reply #112 on: August 29, 2019, 05:51:42 pm »
Here is the pre tape, The paper is then taped to this in two stages...Once this is pulled off (While still wet) you get crisp clean lines.

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #113 on: August 29, 2019, 05:53:42 pm »
The paper taped to it...

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #114 on: August 29, 2019, 05:56:42 pm »
Some black smoke as cheap insurance against a thin spot while scuffing...

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« Reply #115 on: August 29, 2019, 05:59:33 pm »
4 wet coats bringing the shine up to a wet, wet deep shine...

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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #116 on: August 29, 2019, 06:01:29 pm »
And paper, then pre tape removed...While still wet (after letting it tack).
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #117 on: August 29, 2019, 06:05:23 pm »
And it is done, and is all it will ever be, Next time this gets paint it will somebody else trying to restore it someday...Jenn is still working on the lightboard, I will snap a pic when after my break. (Wink).
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #118 on: August 29, 2019, 09:59:01 pm »
Can't you post pics like a normal person? :angry:

Nice progress by the way!
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Re: Jennifer "Hot" new pin...Part 2
« Reply #119 on: August 30, 2019, 12:18:00 am »
UUUUUUGHHHHHH sooo shiny!  :applaud: