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Author Topic: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong  (Read 9322 times)

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #200 on: November 30, 2018, 07:40:26 am »
I liked Voyager. think I have seen all the episodes.
It got kinda slow there for awhile, as they tended to base whole episodes around a certain character, and sometimes they carry that out into other episodes.
Felt more like the chick flicks I was forced to watch in the past.
But I have seen TNG do that a lot too.

Not meaning to change the topic, but  how about Star Trek Enterprise?
I liked it,  but like Voyager, it ended abruptly too. (I havent checked lately, but Enterprise episodes were on Netflix)

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #201 on: November 30, 2018, 02:06:48 pm »
Enterprise was a refreshingly good series, but Moonves killed it just as it was getting good.  The first season, like most Trek shows kind of sucked because it was doing re-treads of the past shows and trying to find it's direction but as it was getting better, 9/11 happened and they went on that terrible Xindi arc that just sucked balls.  The episodes after that were really great though.  We got a clever explanation of why the Klingons look human in TOS (which Discovery ruined btw), we got an explanation of how Kahn escaped earth's authorities, some time travel... all kinds of good stuff.  But that sexual deviant Moonves didn't like scifi, so as soon he killed it at the earliest opportunity.  I'll remind you that he's also the reason we have 14 CSI spin-offs, so yeah, it's great that he's no longer involved with television. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #202 on: November 30, 2018, 04:07:42 pm »
Picard series is the only thing I have hope for. I'm done with prequels. Everything Trek since 2002 has just been prequels, and all they do is retcon ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and screw up existing continuity.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #203 on: November 30, 2018, 09:05:23 pm »
Yeah I don't get it and I don't get this direction Hollywood is taking in general.  When you are a kid and somebody is reading you a story do you ask "what happens next?" or "what's the origin of that character?" 

They could have brought back TNG in the 2000's and everybody would have been happy.  Use the new movie ship, go on new adventures, ect. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #204 on: December 02, 2018, 05:00:52 pm »
Yeah I don't get it and I don't get this direction Hollywood is taking in general.  When you are a kid and somebody is reading you a story do you ask "what happens next?" or "what's the origin of that character?" 

They could have brought back TNG in the 2000's and everybody would have been happy.  Use the new movie ship, go on new adventures, ect. 

Since the 80s, the youth have been where the money is. Disney has shown those over thirty, especially parents, do not matter. And the youth want their own kind of stories. Soon everything will be youth fiction.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #205 on: December 02, 2018, 05:49:41 pm »
Yeah I don't get it and I don't get this direction Hollywood is taking in general.  When you are a kid and somebody is reading you a story do you ask "what happens next?" or "what's the origin of that character?" 

They could have brought back TNG in the 2000's and everybody would have been happy.  Use the new movie ship, go on new adventures, ect. 

Since the 80s, the youth have been where the money is. Disney has shown those over thirty, especially parents, do not matter. And the youth want their own kind of stories. Soon everything will be youth fiction.

Then why do these franchises just keep falling back on the stuff that's familiar to the over thirty parents? Why does Star Trek keep going back to Spock and the original Enterprise? Why does Star Wars, instead of expanding on the universe, just go back and give us ---smurfy--- stories about how Han Solo met Chewbacca and Lando, or how Leia ended up with the Death Star plans?

Both of these franchises have limitless options for storytelling, but all we end up getting is rehashed characters and the same stories told over and over.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #206 on: December 02, 2018, 07:50:29 pm »
@Osiris: they killed Han. Most everything else the characters* make the series. In looking up coming MCU and DCU movies the other night, there were some speculations about non-standard character movies. Cloak and Dagger have their own TV show. And that's where things are going. The FX are up there, so why spend hundreds of millions on movies?


*The main Avengers actors are saying they're done. Jackman has said he's done. Black Widow is not a main Avenger, however much some might want to think so, but she and other female characters are becoming main fare, meaning new actors, new characters, new stories.
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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #207 on: December 02, 2018, 08:45:39 pm »
@Osiris: they killed Han.

Boy, did they ever.


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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #208 on: December 03, 2018, 01:39:25 pm »
@Osirus23  LOL.  Btw you can't tell me that the poster doesn't look like something they mocked up for one of the fantasy sequences on Community. 


Actually.... not all of that is true.  The main avengers know that their contracts are about to expire and they are holding out for more money.  Jackman has already said that if they give wolverine something interesting to do (like bring him into the marvel universe proper) he might return.  In Hollywood nobody says what they mean, you have to read between the lines a little. 

It isn't that the under 30 demographic is important, but rather the films released only appeal to those under 30.  Why?  Because they keep rehasing the same damn stories over and over as well as casting lackluster actors to do prequels involving legendary characters and actors. 

You know why the rebooted Star Trek movies are now in a downward spiral?  Because Chris Pine isn't William Shatner.  Sure for the first couple of movies the fact that "it's a new exciting direction" will get people to the seats, but new sfx, curiosity and nostalgia will only take you so far... At some point good actors and stories faithful to the source material are required.  Since you can never go home again, reboots and prequels are doomed to fail from the start.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #209 on: December 03, 2018, 06:03:03 pm »
Wait. William Shatner is a good actor??  ROFL GTFO!  :lol

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #210 on: December 03, 2018, 07:22:25 pm »
You know why the rebooted Star Trek movies are now in a downward spiral?  Because Chris Pine isn't William Shatner.  Sure for the first couple of movies the fact that "it's a new exciting direction" will get people to the seats, but new sfx, curiosity and nostalgia will only take you so far... At some point good actors and stories faithful to the source material are required.  Since you can never go home again, reboots and prequels are doomed to fail from the start.

While I thought Pine did a fantastic job (particularly in the first movie) he is no Shatner.   Shatner as Kirk is what makes Star Trek for me.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #211 on: December 03, 2018, 07:27:10 pm »
Say what you want, but you remember every Shatner performance while traditionally "good" actors are often quite forgettable.  Some actors define the role they are put in. 

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #212 on: December 03, 2018, 07:48:47 pm »

While I thought Pine did a fantastic job (particularly in the first movie) he is no Shatner.   Shatner as Kirk is what makes Star Trek for me.


Which is why Pine would have done just fine playing a new character instead of trying to retread everything.

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Re: This is the best scene in all of Star Trek, prove me wrong
« Reply #213 on: December 05, 2018, 04:59:06 pm »

While I thought Pine did a fantastic job (particularly in the first movie) he is no Shatner.   Shatner as Kirk is what makes Star Trek for me.


Which is why Pine would have done just fine playing a new character instead of trying to retread everything.

There are scads more interesting universes that are plausible, from book authors.

Star Trek 2009 was every modern geek's fantasy: Rebel Without a Cause, cum 22nd century - each character has attitude - hot green chick, with Lara Croft elements - Vulcan is not a Utopia/Spock is the primal geek so he must be bullied - hotrod looking Enterprise......what else?.......


What Howard said about Hollywood could be so. Certainly regarding Jackman, who likes substantive characters. I think Downey is fine with Iron Man (though his Sherlock Holmes was a lot better, more interesting character; those stories are good, too). I think Hemsworth has enjoyed Thor's growth out of innocence. He's the most interesting character in the MCU. I think Chris Evans wants more of that kind of thing in his character, and in the MCU. The MCU could and should be written more like the 60s/70s comics.

On a different note, I wouldn't be surprised if Evans is getting a little worn out. He got big for Captain America, and like Hemsworth and Henry Cavill has gradually gone down in mass. He has no chest, and they've padded his suit the last two or three movies.