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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #160 on: November 27, 2018, 08:22:20 am »
Very cool!  I had too look at it a few times to see what you were doing..  Maybe you can get someone with a CNC router when it comes time to make the full sized panel?
If I ever build a new CP - I want to do this  :)

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #161 on: November 28, 2018, 03:34:03 pm »
That looks amazing Arroyo.  You really hand-routed that with a Dremel?  Most impressive.   :cheers:

Actually wasnít as bad as I thought it would be once I cut out the plastic on the Polyurethane, kept me from going outside the lines.  That Dremel work was probably about 30-45min, not too bad.

Very nice!!!  :applaud:

Thanks bud.

Very cool!  I had too look at it a few times to see what you were doing..  Maybe you can get someone with a CNC router when it comes time to make the full sized panel?
If I ever build a new CP - I want to do this  :)
Keep going!

What I like about this is that the black areas stay completely black, and only the areas you want to glow do.  As with most of these things itís hard to photograph, but it is exactly the look I was going for.
I may have a line on a place that can laser etch a large area, Iím talking to them about doing a test with this control box, if all goes well I can ditch the Dremel work, Iím not much of an arts and crafts kind of guy.  :angry:

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #162 on: November 28, 2018, 03:39:08 pm »
How large of an area do you need to laser etch?

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #163 on: November 28, 2018, 03:58:46 pm »
How large of an area do you need to laser etch?

Control panel width, so at least 17Ēx 35Ē.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #164 on: November 28, 2018, 04:08:47 pm »
If you can't find someone I might be able to pull that off. My laser has a pass through. The problem is that the adjustable height bed has play in it. I am working out a solution. Right now I can't index a spot move the piece further in and retain positioning.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #165 on: November 28, 2018, 04:18:31 pm »
If you can't find someone I might be able to pull that off. My laser has a pass through. The problem is that the adjustable height bed has play in it. I am working out a solution. Right now I can't index a spot move the piece further in and retain positioning.

Gotcha, let me know if you think you can pull it off.  Thanks for the offer!

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #166 on: November 28, 2018, 10:04:26 pm »
Wow - haven't checked in here in a while... this is so cool.  The etching looks awesome and the whole thing is super clean.   :applaud:

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #167 on: November 30, 2018, 03:41:15 pm »
My laser work area is 19 inches wide. The laser needs to swing at least an inch past the etching by an inch on each side to slow down and reverse direction. I can override that by slowing the laser head down. I am going to rig up a solid non moving base for the pass-through. I will know by the end of the weekend if this will work. My laser machine adjusts the Z height by moving the floor up and down. It is not rigid like a CNC Z axis. Once I have the floor immobilized I will be able to index and pass longer stock through. In theory I will be able to do your etching. I will keep you posted.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #168 on: December 07, 2018, 01:59:01 pm »
I have stabilized my Z axis. I think I can do that CP for you. Send me the appropriate files and I can give it a shot.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #169 on: December 07, 2018, 03:53:00 pm »
Wow - haven't checked in here in a while... this is so cool.  The etching looks awesome and the whole thing is super clean.   :applaud:
Thanks bud, itís a work in progress but Iím digging it so far.

I have stabilized my Z axis. I think I can do that CP for you. Send me the appropriate files and I can give it a shot.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #170 on: December 21, 2018, 09:23:48 am »
MikeA came through big time!

Laser etched the image:


Graphics applied:


Close up so you can see the contrast:


Unintended cool byproduct is a reflected image off the Acrylic that gives it a 3D look (didn't bother to clean up the dust sorry about that):


Assuming we can pull this off on a larger scale I'm running with this technique.

Thanks Mike!

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #171 on: December 21, 2018, 09:33:26 am »
That is crazy good work! 

Great collaboration!  love it.
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #172 on: December 21, 2018, 09:40:21 am »
Looks fantastic.   :cheers:

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #173 on: December 21, 2018, 09:54:47 am »
Now that looks bad ass!!!  Nice job

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #174 on: December 21, 2018, 10:21:55 am »
That looks way better than I thought it would.
That is a very creative idea to merge laser etching with conventional artwork.  :notworthy:
I look forward to helping you kill some of those brain cells at Zapcon. I hope you like bourbon.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #175 on: December 21, 2018, 07:33:59 pm »
Cheers fellas. :cheers:  Iím diggin it.

@MikeA - will definitely drink bourbon or anything put in front of me... ;)

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #176 on: February 13, 2019, 12:43:00 am »
Well I guess I wasnít lying when I said I would post at a slow pace :-)

Spent a lot of time thinking about how I wanted to move forward and been doing a lot of experimenting.  Got some results I like and almost getting to the point of calling it done so I can move on to ya know building an actual arcade cabinet.

First thing was securing the screws into the mounting plate so I can swap out controllers.  Considered welding at one point, but itís complicated without using the same materials (i.e. all steel, oh and I donít own a welder might be a problem as wellÖhmmmmm), so instead started researching epoxies.  Seemed pretty good from what I read so decided to give it a shot.  First thing I read was that you get a stronger bond with a roughed up surface:



Busted out the J.B. Weld slow drying epoxy:



Mixed equal parts, used a piece of Acrylic to mix it together (wood stick probably would have been better), applied to the countersunk holes in the mounting plate and put the screws through till they were flush.  Noticed that I got some epoxy on the threads of the screw and quickly wiped off (would have been better to have used some plastic wrap to protect the threads).  Let it dry over 15 hours and:



Man this stuff is crazy strong.  It held up well to multiple attempts to over tighten the wing nuts Iím using

Side note: to quickly cut the Acrylic I used this tool that I picked up from Tap Plastics:



Instead of needing a special blade on a table saw, you just use this and a straight edge.  Make a few swipes till you get a decent depth, and then snap the remaining part over a straight ledge.  You get a very clean cut.


AnywayÖ.

Needed to drill out the hole in the center of the mounting plate because I needed to fit the addressable (WS2812) ring LED that I will be using to light up the center of the joysticks.  Made a 1 1/8Ē forester hole through wood as a guide, and then used a 1 1/8Ē hole saw to make the cut (I did this before the epoxy FWIW):





With that out of the way, I put the mounting plate back into the CP wood to finally be able to make a permanent install:



Iíve been using a white piece of paper behind the laser etched Acrylic (thanks again MikeA!), but needed something more permanent.  Picked up some Oracle 651 Matte White Vinyl:



Did what most guys do and used a sharp Exacto knife and followed the edges to cut it to size:





Cut out the etched Acrylic using the router mounted to the router table and used a flush trim bit to follow the wood outline:



I think I mentioned it before, but I love using this double sided adhesive (3M Scotch double sided mounting tape), itís crazy strong, so much that you only need just a little before it becomes almost impossible to pull it back apart.  It makes pattern cutting very easy though.

Next I put the etched acrylic on top:



Then applied the graphics between the two pieces of acrylic and used the same Exacto knife then to cutout the holes:



I forgot to mention that while I was routing the etched Acrylic I had to do two things.  I needed to shave off around 1/32Ē all around so that it would create a gap between the top layer acrylic and the wood layer:



You can see that ever so slight offset of the lower plastic from the top and bottom above, that where the edge lighting from the LEDís is accounted for so as to not bulge the T-Moulding. 

Also broke out the Map Gas Torch to make the edges optically clear for the LEDís (no I did not do it this way, the flame is far from the stuff around it) ;D



Next was putting the buttons in.  The buttons act as a clamp for all of the layers and hold things together.  The only problem I had was getting the lighting I wanted on the buttons.  The side lighting from the LEDís lit up the buttons from the sides and washed out the colors from below.  Looks cool without the buttons in:



It seemed simple enough to line the hole with some Oracle 651 matte black vinyl to block the light.  It worked, however I got a tunnel problem on the buttons where the light wouldnít spread out to fill the edges:



I thought to use some mirror vinyl to help, and it did but still not quite perfect:


 
It got better as I lowered the mirror vinyl down from being flush with the surface allowing the light to bounce more to the sides and reach the edges of the buttons.  Still not being satisfied I decided to break out a router bit Iíd been meaning try.

1/16Ē roundover to give a smooth edge to the button holes helped a lot (I tired many other things including black vinyl rings below the graphics, and all sorts of combos), this worked best:





I also used the roundover on the joystick hole so that it would have a smooth edge and not markup a clear dust washer.

More to comeÖÖÖ
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #177 on: February 13, 2019, 05:05:42 am »
Nice work.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2019, 11:33:44 am »

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #179 on: February 22, 2019, 12:05:03 am »
Nice work.
That looks so fantastic.   :applaud:

Cheers fellas.


Continuing with buttoning this up, I needed to get the side lit LEDís mounted into the sides while not compromising the T-moulding.  As mentioned on my previous post I used the wood sides and shortened the middle layer of etched acrylic by roughly 1/32Ē on all sides to allow a channel for the LEDís to sit so they wouldnít bulge out the sides and push out the T-moulding:



This is a cool white 24V LED strip I got off of AliExpress and it fortunately is just the right width to fit. 

As I laid down the LED strip in the channel I braced it with black vinyl to hold it place so that I could apply the T-moulding.



Then I came around with the T-moulding:



Got a little tricky around the routed area for the hinges and the corners, but as others have done I cut the spine to make it fit.

Slapped in a Sanwa JLF just to see how it all looks:



You can see the LED ring around the joystick which fits perfectly in a 1 1/8Ē hole.

To try and keep this all compact I ordered a NanoLED addressable LED controller from Ultimarc.  I hadnít really seen anyone use one in a build before. What I found out was that it wasnít quite working with LED blinky.  Iíve been helping Andy and Arzoo with some testing in the background and weíve made pretty good progress.  The WS2812 ring LED works perfect, and Iím experiment with some individual WS2812b LEDís under the buttons.

Whatís nice about using addressable LEDís vs non is that you can get a clean wiring job (albeit a pain in the ass):



Iíve found that itís always best to pre-solder the pads, and the tips of the wires (so the strands donít fray).



I used 22AWG wire and then sleeved them with some heat shrink tubing:



Unlike the ring LEDís Iím having troubles controlling the individual WS2812b ones, it may be a bad solder joint weíll see.

I also wanted to mess with how to handle the dust washer.  The plan was to use the same ring graphics and light them different colors underneath but Iím not sure if it works:



I had the idea to try some diffusing Acrylic, and picked up some 69% transparency white acrylic that matches the existing white ring.  Iím thinking of burying this just above the ring LED and putting a clear dust washer over the top. Cutting the acrylic that precise that small probably can only be done with a laser cutterÖÖMikeA is becoming my new best friend. ;D

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2019, 06:44:04 pm »
You got some good stuff happening there.  I perk up when I see led work.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #181 on: February 22, 2019, 08:11:34 pm »
Very nice  :)   
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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #182 on: February 23, 2019, 12:51:46 am »
Great innovation on the  lighting module built around the stick.  I have used those same surface mount LEDS in other projects myself, fiddly but great for tight spaces.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #183 on: April 10, 2019, 08:31:48 am »
Cheers fellas :cheers:


So Iíve finally finished this thingÖ..1 year for a control panel box.  Lets see, add the 5 carry the 2Ö..looks like I should have this build buttoned up by 2040. ???


Anyway.

I wanted to keep the lighting really confined to just the graphics.  Itís really easy to get light bleed on the edges so I bought some Black 2.0 (supposedly the blackest paint you can buy), and painted the outside edge of the top layer of Acrylic, and the inner ring around the joystick:




I should have used black acrylic paint which I only later found out when talking with folks at Tap Plastics.  The other thing I will change when building the actual panel is not cutting the graphics so close to the edge.  There is still small areas of light bleed, that had I left the graphics to stick out some it would have covered over the LEDís better and not allowed any light in.

Got to wiring.  I needed to get 24V from my power supply down to 5V for the USB hub and for the lighting in the buttons and joysticks (the cool white LEDís around the edges are 24V).  I bought these cool DC to DC power converters off Amazon:



Theres a potentiometer at the top that you use a screw head to dial the voltage you want.  I used 2 so I could also adjust the lighting for the panel (full 24V is a little too bright). 

Had to cut, strip, and solder the USB mount to make it all fit:



One of the things I really wanted to do with this and the build is make hot swapping joysticks easy.  I put in the universal mounting plate to make that easy, and I also am using wing nut screws so you can pull out and swap a joystick without needing any tools.  The only problem was handling the wiring.  So based on what I had read on Nephasthís posts in his Two Headed Beast log, I went hunting for Molex parts and picked these up:







I bought a couple of crimpers and a wire stripper.  The wire stripper ended up being terrible, at least for 22AWG wire which I used throughout.  Donít buy this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072J62TBN/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But one of the crimpers I bought ended up being perfect for crimping the Molex connectors and 0.187" Quick disconnects:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OMM4YUY/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Completed wiring with heat shrink tubing (some not shrunk yet in pic):




That's the Ultimarc NanoLED controller in the middle that controls all of the button and joystick lighting, and the Ultimarc MiniPac for the controls.

And completed panel:



Lit:







Now itís clean out the garage, and this office Iíve been using, head to Zapcon, and start working on the actual build when I get back.

Also don't think I mentioned it before but I'm keeping track of all of the parts I'm buying and have built an Excel sheet with links, descriptions, and cost that I plan on uploading when completed.
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« Reply #184 on: April 10, 2019, 09:44:02 am »
WOW this came out sick looking.  Really nice job - the lighting effects are super cool.  I also like how neat you were with all the wiring... something I'll have to aim for.   22 gauge wiring must have been a pain to get just right.  How many times did you cut the wire in half when you were just trying to strip it?  Seems to happen to me a lot more than it should!  :cheers:

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« Reply #185 on: April 10, 2019, 11:35:45 am »
That looks amazing!  Just brilliant.     :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

I'm going to go throw rocks at my CP tonight.    >:D

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« Reply #186 on: April 10, 2019, 07:11:36 pm »
22 gauge wiring must have been a pain to get just right.  How many times did you cut the wire in half when you were just trying to strip it?

If those damn strippers would have worked it would have been a breeze :angry:  I ended up using my Exacto which is accurate but slow.

I'm going to go throw rocks at my CP tonight.    >:D

LOL, I love your panel, inspired me to build this one!

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« Reply #187 on: April 11, 2019, 09:44:51 am »
If those damn strippers would have worked it would have been a breeze :angry:  I ended up using my Exacto which is accurate but slow.

Always blame the strippers!

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« Reply #188 on: April 11, 2019, 10:07:22 am »
NEVER blame the strippers. You will wake up in a bathtub full of ice.

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« Reply #189 on: April 11, 2019, 10:34:53 pm »
Nice work  - Inspirational  :applaud:

Now - a little faster please - 2040 is way after Year 2038 problem and the internet will be dead...
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« Reply #190 on: April 12, 2019, 09:11:58 am »

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #191 on: May 29, 2019, 12:19:17 am »
Garage is clean.....so there's no more excuses. 

Been consulting with bperkins01 on some wood working stuff (dude built a boat :o), should get to cutting soon, hopefully this weekend.  Plan is to start with the sides:



Gotta buy wood, print plans, and setup the tools....for some reason starting is the hardest part.

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« Reply #192 on: May 29, 2019, 01:40:09 am »
The Titanic was a boat.

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« Reply #193 on: May 29, 2019, 01:44:22 am »
The Titanic was a boat.

Donít you sleep?

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« Reply #194 on: May 29, 2019, 01:46:30 am »
My sump pump alarm went off 30 minutes ago. I had to clean the water sensor contact off. I get up for work in another two hours. I might just go in now.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #195 on: May 29, 2019, 01:48:47 am »
My sump pump alarm went off 30 minutes ago. I had to clean the water sensor contact off. I get up for work in another two hours. I might just go in now.

Uh huh, did somebody have a couple cocktails tonight?

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« Reply #196 on: May 29, 2019, 01:51:08 am »
No. You posted that you were going to actually start building something and it woke me from a dead sleep.

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #197 on: May 29, 2019, 03:37:25 am »
That lighting setup is elaborate and awesome, and the resulting effect just looks beautiful.  Great work, from design through execution.   :cheers:

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #198 on: May 29, 2019, 05:05:31 am »
Looking forward to the upcoming woodwork pics, brother!  :cheers: Good luck!

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Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
« Reply #199 on: May 29, 2019, 10:36:38 am »
No. You posted that you were going to actually start building something and it woke me from a dead sleep.

Love you honey, sorry I woke youÖÖ.. :-*

That lighting setup is elaborate and awesome, and the resulting effect just looks beautiful.  Great work, from design through execution.   :cheers:

Well at least itís different.  I wanted to make sure the lighting went all the way to the edges of the panel, and I also wanted to eliminate any shadowing of Joysticks, and trackballs that Iíve seen when people have done this from lighting underneath.  Also gives a nice color contrast in the controlled lighting with the laser etching.

Looking forward to the upcoming woodwork pics, brother!  :cheers: Good luck!

Cheers brotha, Iíll try not to disappoint.