Can we complain about mods, or maybe get one replaced?

[jennifer]

     Im not talking about the basic rules governing the site, auto sensor, politics, yes that something we all have to live with. What Jenn is talking about is mods that troll their victims in, not agreeing with their point of view on a given subject, Then being the Super Mod that they are shutting the whole thing down because they can. ultimately censoring the viewpoint. .... This thread however has not fallen to that level yet, Therefore credit is due. ( +1 PL1).     

[yotsuya]

     Im not talking about the basic rules governing the site, auto sensor, politics, yes that something we all have to live with. What Jenn is talking about is mods that troll their victims in, not agreeing with their point of view on a given subject, Then being the Super Mod that they are shutting the whole thing down because they can. ultimately censoring the viewpoint. .... This thread however has not fallen to that level yet, Therefore credit is due. ( +1 PL1).   

Yeah, I think you are misunderstanding how we're saying it should work. If there was something wrong with the post (or in this case, a thread asking for something Saint has specifically prohibited), it should be deleted. No point in trying to be cute about [redacting] information or anything like that.

[Malenko]

I haven't been active here over the last week so I'm not sure what caused this issue.  I'll say that length of tenure here shouldn't dictate who should help moderate the boards.  And the skill set necessary to complete a project has nothing to do with a skill set to moderate a bunch of dorks like us.

I don't think I could disagree more. Tenure typically brings with a sense of knowing other members and having projects means your an active member of the boards. Im not sure the prerequisite for being a moderator should read like this " New member who contributes nothing".  Yes Scott runs the wiki, I think that should be his full time job.  Just to note, I did try to work on the wiki and the first thing that happened was, the pages I made were removed, all the data I researched was then added to a new page by the scottbot. So, yeah, I dont bother anymore.

Tombo over at Klove can moderate, delete posts or eat turds for all that's worth.... First of all that's there not here, And over moderating like that is censorship, Something Saint has never done in the whole time Jennifer has been here.

Over moderation?  Deleting posts and threads occurs here (via  both deletion and moving items to post hell). I know that here is not there, but a good moderator is a good moderator. And honestly, KLOV is the closest thing out there to BYOAC that I know of.

Im not talking about the basic rules governing the site, auto sensor, politics, yes that something we all have to live with. What Jenn is talking about is mods that troll their victims in, not agreeing with their point of view on a given subject, Then being the Super Mod that they are shutting the whole thing down because they can. ultimately censoring the viewpoint. .... This thread however has not fallen to that level yet, Therefore credit is due. ( +1 PL1).     

You do realize that PL1s actions are what caused  me start this thread in the first place, right?  Tombo remains neutral, keeps members in line, and is pretty much universally liked at KLOV (-1 PL1, +1 Tombo)

[jennifer]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

[yotsuya]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

What the hell are you talking about?

[horizon]

[jennifer]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

What the hell are you talking about?

  Let me spell it out real slow for you then.... I will NOT be your victim here.

[Hoopz]

I haven't been active here over the last week so I'm not sure what caused this issue.  I'll say that length of tenure here shouldn't dictate who should help moderate the boards.  And the skill set necessary to complete a project has nothing to do with a skill set to moderate a bunch of dorks like us.

I don't think I could disagree more. Tenure typically brings with a sense of knowing other members and having projects means your an active member of the boards. Im not sure the prerequisite for being a moderator should read like this " New member who contributes nothing".  Yes Scott runs the wiki, I think that should be his full time job.  Just to note, I did try to work on the wiki and the first thing that happened was, the pages I made were removed, all the data I researched was then added to a new page by the scottbot. So, yeah, I dont bother anymore.

You want PBJ or CT as mods? X2?  Tenure and projects alone should not be the qualifications for running this place.

[yotsuya]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

What the hell are you talking about?

  Let me spell it out real slow for you then.... I will NOT be your victim here.

I'm trying to explain to you how the moderation at KLOV works. No one wants you to be a "victim". Maybe the fumes from your nail polish are clouding your reading comprehension.

[Hoopz]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

What the hell are you talking about?

  Let me spell it out real slow for you then.... I will NOT be your victim here.

I'm trying to explain to you how the moderation at KLOV works. No one wants you to be a "victim". Maybe the fumes from your nail polish are clouding your judgment.

Ignore the troll.

[Nephasth]

I haven't been active here over the last week so I'm not sure what caused this issue.  I'll say that length of tenure here shouldn't dictate who should help moderate the boards.  And the skill set necessary to complete a project has nothing to do with a skill set to moderate a bunch of dorks like us.

I don't think I could disagree more. Tenure typically brings with a sense of knowing other members and having projects means your an active member of the boards. Im not sure the prerequisite for being a moderator should read like this " New member who contributes nothing".  Yes Scott runs the wiki, I think that should be his full time job.  Just to note, I did try to work on the wiki and the first thing that happened was, the pages I made were removed, all the data I researched was then added to a new page by the scottbot. So, yeah, I dont bother anymore.

You want PBJ or CT as mods? X2?  Tenure and projects alone should not be the qualifications for running this place.

PBJ is a newb. Just try to find a post of his from over 2 years ago.

Jennifer, get back on yer meds...

[yotsuya]

       I would wonder how Tomboy would react to a "Hey D/bag!" Thread But since this is not my fight I will go back to painting my toes.... **sidenote** Nice try Yotsuya.

What the hell are you talking about?

  Let me spell it out real slow for you then.... I will NOT be your victim here.

I'm trying to explain to you how the moderation at KLOV works. No one wants you to be a "victim". Maybe the fumes from your nail polish are clouding your judgment.

Ignore the troll.

Yeah, maybe it's best that I do, Hoopz. 

[Hoopz]

PBJ is a newb. Just try to find a post of his from over 2 years ago.

I actually laughed aloud on that one.   

[jennifer]

     Put your ears close to Jennifer honey.... I am not a troll!

[Nephasth]

     Put your ears close to Jennifer honey.... I am not a troll!

 

[Malenko]

You want PBJ or CT as mods? X2?  Tenure and projects alone should not be the qualifications for running this place.

Qualification does not equal prerequisite, never stated they should be the only factors in deciding a moderator.   Stop being a troublemaker :p


I'm saying I don't think anyone should be a mod if they haven't been here for at least 5 years and had some kinda project. I think its a nice baseline. Hundreds of members here meet such a low standard but Scott is not one of them, he hasn't even been here 4 years yet and I'm not aware of any builds or projects of his. X2 doesn't meet the criteria either, having a picture on CrapMAME isn't the same as a project thread here.

[Hoopz]

I think X2's new avatar is supposed to show him toe stomping someone but it looks like he has boobs.

[Vigo]

Are boobs are moderating prerequisite?

[Hoopz]

Are boobs are moderating prerequisite?

Vigo would make a good mod.  Present grammar excluded.

[wp34]

PBJ is a newb. Just try to find a post of his from over 2 years ago.

I actually laughed aloud on that one.   

And yet he already has more posts than me in the short time since he was resurrected.

[Le Chuck]

Off topic,  wasn't X2 going through some kind of bout of extreme illness combined with homelessness or something?  I don't particularly like the guy but I do hope he's not like dead under a bridge somewhere. 

[Hoopz]

He's back.  I'm more concerned about HC.

[Malenko]

He's back.  I'm more concerned about HC.

HC is back on youtube

[yotsuya]

What about Chaddles? He hasn't logged in since Thanksgiving.

[Malenko]

What about Chaddles? He hasn't logged in since Thanksgiving.

blizzard

[Hoopz]

What about Chaddles? He hasn't logged in since Thanksgiving.

Oh great.  You had to ask that and it's really going to set Malenko off.

[Nephasth]

Can we get a mod in here to clean up all these OT posts?

[Malenko]

Oh great.  You had to ask that and it's really going to set Malenko off.

Chaddles is no Genesim.

[Hoopz]

Oh great.  You had to ask that and it's really going to set Malenko off.

Chaddles is no Genesim.

I miss his angry rants about monitors.  Those were the good old days.  And he hates the "uniformed".  That's the cause of Rule 11.

[Malenko]

I miss his angry rants about monitors.  Those were the good old days.  And he hates the "uniformed".  That's the cause of Rule 11.

He's the only person I ever purposely antagonized, so much fun. Good times. 

[Vigo]

Are boobs are moderating prerequisite?

Vigo would make a good mod.  Present grammar excluded.

  Thanks for the props. Although, I don't mind finding an avatar with boobs on it.

[Vigo]

So where is shmokes these days?

[jennifer]

      According to the sites rules (go reread your pamphlet) trolling and flaming will not be tolerated. So what are you going to do, ban Jennifer?

[Nephasth]

RE: Yotsuya...According to the sites rules (go reread your pamphlet) trolling and flaming will not be tolerated. So what are you going to do, ban Jennifer?.....Go ahead you miserable puke, delete my account.
                                                        Best wishes,   Jennifer

Way to go on the hypocrisy Jen... Name calling is against the rules. Maybe you're reading the wrong pamphlet...

Don't get the angst against yots right now...

[Malenko]

Don't get the angst against yots right now...

me either.

[Louis Tully]

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[yotsuya]

RE: Yotsuya...According to the sites rules (go reread your pamphlet) trolling and flaming will not be tolerated. So what are you going to do, ban Jennifer?.....Go ahead you miserable puke, delete my account.
                                                        Best wishes,   Jennifer

Lady, I don't know who you are or what your problem is, but last I remember, we were trying to have a discussion about moderation,  you said Tombo could "eat turds", I tried to clarify it was the style of moderation we were discussing, you accused me of trying to make you a victim (whatever that means), HOOPZ called you a troll, I laughed, we even moved on from talking about you, and now you called me a "miserable puke". So somewhere in there, your buttons got pushed (by me, apparently, though I'm not sure where that happened). Are you, by your last sentence, admitting that Hoopz was right and that you were trolling? 

I'm not a mod, so I can't ban you (not that I would anyway, I have pretty thick skin). But I can suggest you get checked out for Dissociative Identity Disorder, which probably has something to do with you constantly referring to yourself in third person. Oh, and don't call people "miserable puke". That's such a weak putdown, it's not even worth reporting.

[PL1]

I'm still waiting on Malenko to reply to my earlier challenge to present the evidence of "passive aggressive PMs from moderators letting me know they can ban me ".  (see section 2 of my response here)

As I said before, you have my permission to release any text from any PM that you think supports your case.

I doubt that you'd delete a PM that contained that type of abusive moderator behavior.

Did you ever forward the alleged PM to Saint so he would know how I was treating people?

The reason you didn't forward it to Saint and haven't posted the PM here is because it does not exist.

You made the accusation so the burden of proof is on you.

If JoeTheNoob posted a public accusation like this against Mod-X, everyone would expect Joe to provide evidence.

I agree that long-time members deserve more benefit of the doubt than JoeTheNoob, but when serious accusations like this are made publicly, shouldn't the accused (and the people who read the accusation) have the right to see the alleged evidence? 

Doesn't the accused deserve some benefit of the doubt?  (innocent until proven guilty, etc.)

If you mis-remembered, I will accept gladly accept your apology on this particular point. (I'm not the type to hold a grudge.  )

If you deliberately lied about me ban-threatening you via PM, it raises very serious questions about why you would do that and whether your emotions may be clouding your judgement.

Where I have been wrong, I have admitted my errors and tried to make ammends.

I hope that this thread can be a way to improve moderation practices and warn future mods about potential pitfalls, not just fling mud.


Scott

P.S. Sorry I have been so slow in responding in this thread.  I've been really busy lately.

I will try to address all serious concerns mentioned in the thread, but please pardon me if I take time to choose my words carefullly.

If anyone has a related matter that you would like addressed, please let me or one of the other mods know.

[yotsuya]

This thread should probably be locked and sent to Post Hell. 

[Nephasth]

I'm still waiting on Malenko to reply to my earlier challenge to present the evidence of "passive aggressive PMs from moderators letting me know they can ban me ".  (see section 2 of my response here)

As I said before, you have my permission to release any text from any PM that you think supports your case.

I doubt that you'd delete a PM that contained that type of abusive moderator behavior.

Did you ever forward the alleged PM to Saint so he would know how I was treating people?

The reason you didn't forward it to Saint and haven't posted the PM here is because it does not exist.

You made the accusation so the burden of proof is on you.

If JoeTheNoob posted a public accusation like this against Mod-X, everyone would expect Joe to provide evidence.

I agree that long-time members deserve more benefit of the doubt than JoeTheNoob, but when serious accusations like this are made publicly, shouldn't the accused (and the people who read the accusation) have the right to see the alleged evidence? 

Doesn't the accused deserve some benefit of the doubt?  (innocent until proven guilty, etc.)

If you mis-remembered, I will accept gladly accept your apology on this particular point. (I'm not the type to hold a grudge.  )

If you deliberately lied about me ban-threatening you via PM, it raises very serious questions about why you would do that and whether your emotions may be clouding your judgement.

Where I have been wrong, I have admitted my errors and tried to make ammends.

I hope that this thread can be a way to improve moderation practices and warn future mods about potential pitfalls, not just fling mud.


Scott

P.S. Sorry I have been so slow in responding in this thread.  I've been really busy lately.

I will try to address all serious concerns mentioned in the thread, but please pardon me if I take time to choose my words carefullly.

If anyone has a related matter that you would like addressed, please let me or one of the other mods know.

This post seems pointlessly antagonistic... A mod publically "challenging" a member. WTF... These posts aren't winning you any points with me, which is in part why I don't believe your apologies are sincere.