PVM-2530 popping sound notice arching/lighting/spark in rear

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Hi guys

So I finally was able to pick up a Sony Trinitron PVM monitor. For extremely cheap on craigslist. However I'm having a big problem with it I picked it up as a repair thinking that it was only a sound issue. However when I opened up the back and turn the monitor on I noticed the spark. The monitor is not displaying a picture. Is this something I can fix I am pretty handy and know how to solder capacitors. Just not sure where to begin with this.

I took a video of the issue. I hope someone can help. The plan is to RGB all my retro gaming consoles and hook them up to this monitor.

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Update: So i've been all over the internet trying to figure out what to do.  I came across a few inspiring threads that have really sparked a fire in me and now i want to see this thing through.  At any rate, it looks like the red box is called a "fly back."  So i'm going to continue my search to see if these things are fixable or if i can find one that is working maybe I can swap it out.  I understand that before working with the CRT i need to discharge the tube.  Therefore i'll be heading to HOMEDEPOT tomorrow to pick up some alligator clips in order to discharge the tube (as seen on ) before working on it.

[jennifer]

    You will need to get a replacement, There is no realistic fix for a shorted flyback. Be careful playing around with that however, it will shoot like random lightning at you, and possibly electrify your chassis.

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    You will need to get a replacement, There is no realistic fix for a shorted flyback. Be careful playing around with that however, it will shoot like random lightning at you, and possibly electrify your chassis.

Currently looking for a replacement flyback for this unit..  So far no luck.. Any recommend sites that might care it?

[jennifer]

    If you still have a Tv service dude in your town Jenn would go there first, You might pay a bit more, but a good relationship with tech is priceless... If not, Epay is littered with them.

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    If you still have a Tv service dude in your town Jenn would go there first, You might pay a bit more, but a good relationship with tech is priceless... If not, Epay is littered with them.

I reached out to someone, hopefully they will return my call.  I searched ePay for PVM-2530 flybacks, but nothing is coming up.  I'm sure there is a "compatible" one somewhere, but not sure where to gather that information.  I will continue to search the web for more answers.  Thanks for your help.

[ed12]

i was pokeing around for u
and came across this
>To bring this back up, I think I've got it fixed!

I was thinking about my tests I had done, and I thought that maybe the TV was smart enough to know if someone defeated the block. And since I had, it wasn't working for me.

I tried to order the replacement part from a few places, but no one would sell it to me! "Oh, thats a high voltage part, we can't sell you that unless you are an authorized service center." "You sure? I know what I'm doing." "It doesn't matter, we could lose our parts contract with Sony if we did!"

But I finally found Sony's own parts center: http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp

And lo and behold, I placed an order, and it arrived! How odd, that Sony would sell me the 'dangerous' part, but no one else would...

BTW, the new part number is 1-230-712-23, and its white and orange, instead of red and clear. Physically, however, it is the same size and shape, with the same connections and inputs, and Hstat control.

It was a royal pain removing the red flyback wire from the original block, but I finally got it.

The TV has now been running for about 3 hours continuously, without a hickup! Thats the longest its gone in MONTHS, so I'm inclined to think that its fixed.

I owe you guys a long-distance beer or something. I gave myself an ultimatum the other day. I was going to buy this 48$ part, and if it didn't work, I was going to take the Sony to the dump, and go buy a new direct view HDTV with the longest replacement plan they would sell me. My credit card is happy that this solution seems to be working! Now I don't need a new TV!

Thanks for all the help.

Peace,
sam<
please note the phone #

oringal thread is here >http://www.videokarma.org/archive/index.php/t-57097.html<

ed

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i was pokeing around for u
and came across this
>To bring this back up, I think I've got it fixed!

I was thinking about my tests I had done, and I thought that maybe the TV was smart enough to know if someone defeated the block. And since I had, it wasn't working for me.

I tried to order the replacement part from a few places, but no one would sell it to me! "Oh, thats a high voltage part, we can't sell you that unless you are an authorized service center." "You sure? I know what I'm doing." "It doesn't matter, we could lose our parts contract with Sony if we did!"

But I finally found Sony's own parts center: http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/web/index.jsp

And lo and behold, I placed an order, and it arrived! How odd, that Sony would sell me the 'dangerous' part, but no one else would...

BTW, the new part number is 1-230-712-23, and its white and orange, instead of red and clear. Physically, however, it is the same size and shape, with the same connections and inputs, and Hstat control.

It was a royal pain removing the red flyback wire from the original block, but I finally got it.

The TV has now been running for about 3 hours continuously, without a hickup! Thats the longest its gone in MONTHS, so I'm inclined to think that its fixed.

I owe you guys a long-distance beer or something. I gave myself an ultimatum the other day. I was going to buy this 48$ part, and if it didn't work, I was going to take the Sony to the dump, and go buy a new direct view HDTV with the longest replacement plan they would sell me. My credit card is happy that this solution seems to be working! Now I don't need a new TV!

Thanks for all the help.

Peace,
sam<
please note the phone #

oringal thread is here >http://www.videokarma.org/archive/index.php/t-57097.html<

ed

Hi Ed!  Thank you so much for helping me out with my search.  I acutally just came across that website myself and was about to update my thread when i saw your post. I guess that RED BOX is not a FLYBACK after all it's an HVR.. 

However it looks like the part is disconnected. The OP of the thread listed 1-230-712-22 in his #11 post, but then said the new part number was 1-230-712-23, not sure if that's a typo, but 23 is not found and 22 is discontinued..  That thread was created back in 02-04-2006  I guess it's back to searching https://servicesales.sel.sony.com/ecom/accessories/web/productSearch.do

[ed12]

well not to through mud into your search
but this info may help u
rca/zenith/electrohome/sanyo all used that same style hvr unit
just food for thought
it is all kv in..sony's may run a tad over 24-26kv normal

ed

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well not to through mud into your search
but this info may help u
rca/zenith/electrohome/sanyo all used that same style hvr unit
just food for thought
it is all kv in..sony's may run a tad over 24-26kv normal

ed

I very much appreciate the help.  New to PVMs and CRT repair and i'm really excited to get this thing fixed.  I dunno, I've always liked to tinker and fix things.  At any rate i've attached a picture of the RED/WHITE box that i was speaking of (HVR). What does KV stand for and should I simply be looking for the tv's you mentioned with a similar style and a rating between 24-26kv?

[PL1]

What does KV stand for

KV is KiloVolts

24 KV = 24,000 Volts.


Scott

[ed12]

fair enough
kv=kilo-volts
i see your foucs control in that block.,or is it a sub foucs control ?
if it is foucs then u can jurry rig in a divder..
i can better explain this once we find a unit,yes i used we as i am looking at my haunt's now..digi-key/mouser/main-electronic's/the real bob robert's/high voltage tea cup..etc
will get back to u
btw when working the sony brand is top knoch

thk-u scott btw

ed

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 043X0502-003  043X0502-003 / bycap 200M OHM BLEEDER w/ term. 1 25.00
 

 43X0502-002 043X0502-002 / EIA-720 200mega ohms. HV Bleeder Box 1 25.00
 

 53X0499-004 053X0499-004 / EIA-528 New old stock original.  1 $35.00
 u  see there is more hten 1 way to skin this cat

 53X0504-004 053X0504-004 / EIA-528-8741 New old stock original. 1 $35.00
 

 MSH1AAS92A MSH1AAS92A New old stock original.  1 $35.00
 

 MSH1ABF122D / 053X0525-001 MSH1ABF122D / 53X0525-001 New old stock original.

this is just a c@p from arcadecup.com
so dig around is what i am pointing u at

ed

[ed12]

here u go
link the http,then go to highvoltge splitter's
your's will be #1 i do believe
>http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com<
i think i posted u the page,book mark it
ya i double chk it,the link is good,u must do some digging to get to the foucs page,but i am sure u will fig it out


ed

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fair enough
kv=kilo-volts
i see your foucs control in that block.,or is it a sub foucs control ?
if it is foucs then u can jurry rig in a divder..
i can better explain this once we find a unit,yes i used we as i am looking at my haunt's now..digi-key/mouser/main-electronic's/the real bob robert's/high voltage tea cup..etc
will get back to u
btw when working the sony brand is top knoch

thk-u scott btw

ed

Thanks PL1.

Thank you too Ed.  I've edited the top pictures to show were the FLYBACK is.  If any additional pictures are needed please let me know. 




Also i came across this website http://www.asapsemi.com/manufacturer-sony/page6.aspx and they had the part number listed with suggestions to others.

1-230-712-22 RESISTOR ASSY,HIGH-V

When you click on the P/N from the list it will take you another page where you can call/email them about it.  They also list Related Components to 1-230-712-22, however the only ones that says RESISTOR ASSY,HIGH-V are 1-230-127-41 & 1-230-089-22.  A quick google search takes me to www.encompassparts.com which says that 1-230-127-41 is compatible with Sony DDM280 & DDM2802F. This item is not in stock, but i am able to add it to my cart.  There's also 1-230-089-22 which is compatible with Sony VPH722 & VPH722QM, not in stock and suggested to use substitute part 1-230-089-00 which is compatible with Sony VPH472 & VPH1031, also not in stock.  So there you have it part#s and model#s now my next step is to search the web to see if any of these are compatible with the PVM-2530 and if they are to try and find them in stock.

here u go
link the http,then go to highvoltge splitter's
your's will be #1 i do believe
>http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com<
i think i posted u the page,book mark it
ya i double chk it,the link is good,u must do some digging to get to the foucs page,but i am sure u will fig it out


ed

Thanks Ed.. I'm checking the site now.

[ed12]

yup that is your flyback down there
by the way your little red box there is a hvr not olny is a divder
but also a high voltage trippler..neat little pkg...

ed

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here u go
link the http,then go to highvoltge splitter's
your's will be #1 i do believe
>http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com<
i think i posted u the page,book mark it
ya i double chk it,the link is good,u must do some digging to get to the foucs page,but i am sure u will fig it out


ed

I am unable to enter that site.. Java blocks all the plug-ins for some reason.  Both Chrome and IE don't like the site.. http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com/ Furtherst i got was the submission page http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com/submit.php that was via a google search for the website cache.

[ed12]

hmm?
i went in through my old tesktop
then i went in trough my lappie..this box..
hmm
and this box is 7 with full disable set to off..ie no cookie's unless i allow
the other box is xp
hmm

ed

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hmm?
i went in through my old tesktop
then i went in trough my lappie..this box..
hmm
and this box is 7 with full disable set to off..ie no cookie's unless i allow
the other box is xp
hmm

ed

Right no good.. Even tried it on my cell phone just to be sure.  Also turned disabled security checks etc on this PC, still nothing.

Questions about this list you gave me: Are these all different HVR, or parts to fix the HVR (red box) inside?

• 043X0502-003  043X0502-003 / bycap 200M OHM BLEEDER w/ term. 1 25.00
• 43X0502-002 043X0502-002 / EIA-720 200mega ohms. HV Bleeder Box 1 25.00
• 53X0499-004 053X0499-004 / EIA-528 New old stock original.  1 $35.00
• 53X0504-004 053X0504-004 / EIA-528-8741 New old stock original. 1 $35.00
• MSH1AAS92A MSH1AAS92A New old stock original.  1 $35.00
• MSH1ABF122D / 053X0525-001 MSH1ABF122D / 53X0525-001 New old stock original.

[ed12]

yes,i posted them for ref.point's for u..
i have a few calls to do today,then i will chk the site u are having problems with
to be sure it is the 1 u want/cost/avab.etc

ed

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yes,i posted them for ref.point's for u..
i have a few calls to do today,then i will chk the site u are having problems with
to be sure it is the 1 u want/cost/avab.etc

ed

Geez Ed.. you are far to kind.  I really appreciate your help with this.  What are your thoughts about opening the HVR and seeing if it's serviceable?

[ed12]

from there site
yes they have the 1 u require
>High Voltage splitter Blocks, Focus Packs, Deflection Yokes. (Online Purchase) [27 %]
Replacement HV Splitter Focus Blocks, HV Rectifier blocks, Focus Packs , Deflection Yokes, products3.html
 ... 122673300, 1-226-733-11, 122673311, 1-226-733-52, 122673352 ~Sony Focus Block $54.99 Sony HV stat focus control 1-228-482-00, 122848200, 1-228-482-14, 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, ... 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, 1-228-482-26, 122848226 ~Sony Focus Block $59.99 Currently In stock ...
http://www.techno...s.com/Products3.html - 63k<

e-me
> support@technotronic-dimensions.com<
give them a shot

ed
>

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from there site
yes they have the 1 u require
>High Voltage splitter Blocks, Focus Packs, Deflection Yokes. (Online Purchase) [27 %]
Replacement HV Splitter Focus Blocks, HV Rectifier blocks, Focus Packs , Deflection Yokes, products3.html
 ... 122673300, 1-226-733-11, 122673311, 1-226-733-52, 122673352 ~Sony Focus Block $54.99 Sony HV stat focus control 1-228-482-00, 122848200, 1-228-482-14, 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, ... 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, 1-228-482-26, 122848226 ~Sony Focus Block $59.99 Currently In stock ...
http://www.techno...s.com/Products3.html - 63k<

e-me
> support@technotronic-dimensions.com<
give them a shot

ed
>

Hi Ed.. I am able to bring up that link, but my part number isn't listed. Not sure if i missed something, but is the #1 compatible.  My part number is 1-230-712-22 RESISTOR ASSY,HIGH-V.  I emailed the site owner about "1-230-712-22 RESISTOR ASSY,HIGH-V" just incase.

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from there site
yes they have the 1 u require
>High Voltage splitter Blocks, Focus Packs, Deflection Yokes. (Online Purchase) [27 %]
Replacement HV Splitter Focus Blocks, HV Rectifier blocks, Focus Packs , Deflection Yokes, products3.html
 ... 122673300, 1-226-733-11, 122673311, 1-226-733-52, 122673352 ~Sony Focus Block $54.99 Sony HV stat focus control 1-228-482-00, 122848200, 1-228-482-14, 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, ... 122848214, 1-228-482-23, 122848223, 1-228-482-26, 122848226 ~Sony Focus Block $59.99 Currently In stock ...
http://www.techno...s.com/Products3.html - 63k<

e-me
> support@technotronic-dimensions.com<
give them a shot

ed
>

Hi Ed,

So this morning i received an email from Steve (website you linked me too).  He said that it would appear that the cap is not secure on the CRT.  Therefore that might be causing the arching.  He also said that there should be some kind of silicon (RTV) inside the cap to secure it so that there are no air pockets.  I explained to him that it's fairly easy to spin the cap, he said that is a sign that it's not secured right.  I am going to remove the cap and try my best to secure it and see if the TV displays. 

As for the part he doesn't have the exact part, but he's looking into a compatible part for me.  Stay tuned...

[ed12]

yes steve is right about the cap and silcon
i have seen that in rca's/zenith's/nova-beam,
keep me posted

ed

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yes steve is right about the cap and silcon
i have seen that in rca's/zenith's/nova-beam,
keep me posted

ed

Can I use any kind of silicone to get the cup to stick? I've got some clear bathroom silicone caulk. :-) or do I need rtv?

[ed12]

rtv silcon
or high temp black
so red or black

ed

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rtv silcon
or high temp black
so red or black

ed

Thanks the silicone that i have is not RTV, so i'm going to go out on Monday and pick some up.

look at this KV-C27 (chassis AE1) from 1988 the HVR looks similar to mine except it's longer and skinnier.. 
 :

[ed12]

yes they would very by mfg date,rem sony never made them
so they were stuck by the mfg as to what to work with >with-in-spec<.
so to that as i pointed out find the kv input to your assy.,then find the kv input
to that assy.,if the same then olny concern is foucs range

ed

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yes they would very by mfg date,rem sony never made them
so they were stuck by the mfg as to what to work with >with-in-spec<.
so to that as i pointed out find the kv input to your assy.,then find the kv input
to that assy.,if the same then olny concern is foucs range

ed

K thanks Ed. I'll look into that information.

[ed12]

and i point to the foucs because it is not a normal foucs u would see on a normal tv
it is called dynmtic foucs,not static which is used on other tv's

ed

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and i point to the foucs because it is not a normal foucs u would see on a normal tv
it is called dynmtic foucs,not static which is used on other tv's

ed

UPDATE: Ok so I unscrewed the HVR and flipped it over. Look what I found. It's without a doubt this piece.

[ed12]

where u see the blak comming from the hvr ....
that is your hv leak
it is right off of the high voltage lead..red wire...
here try this trick
this may get a bit indepth for u..but follow along
first make sure the set is un-pluged,next use the screw driver and jumper trick
to DISCHARGE the high voltage at the dag >cap< of the red wire going to the picture tube.,u do this by using a flat blade screwdriver and a jumper wire to the bare silver wire running around the tube >ground<
it will discharge your tube for u IMPORTANT,next
with a cotton or 2 swap's and some cleanning achol
rubbing acholl will do,dab a bit on the swap,and clean the black off,it will not come off..but give err the best go and try to get as much as u can off,then try rtv
let it set for a few hour's then mount everything back in..
if no arch in a hour or so it is holding,if arcing..either step 2 or replacement

ed

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where u see the blak comming from the hvr ....
that is your hv leak
it is right off of the high voltage lead..red wire...
here try this trick
this may get a bit indepth for u..but follow along
first make sure the set is un-pluged,next use the screw driver and jumper trick
to DISCHARGE the high voltage at the dag >cap< of the red wire going to the picture tube.,u do this by using a flat blade screwdriver and a jumper wire to the bare silver wire running around the tube >ground<
it will discharge your tube for u IMPORTANT,next
with a cotton or 2 swap's and some cleanning achol
rubbing acholl will do,dab a bit on the swap,and clean the black off,it will not come off..but give err the best go and try to get as much as u can off,then try rtv
let it set for a few hour's then mount everything back in..
if no arch in a hour or so it is holding,if arcing..either step 2 or replacement

ed

Ed

I discharged the cry and removed the cap prior to taking this picture. Tomorrow morning I will swap the area and do my best to clean it up. I ordered RTV silicone from Amazon and it should be here in a couple of days along with a new multimeter (early Xmas gift for myself). You said to ground the red wire going to the cup, but the red wore goes to the flashback. There is a white wire that goes to the cup. Jut thought I would mention that. :-)
What is that black stuff anyways?  carbon build up from arching?

[ed12]

yes and correct
>What is that black stuff anyways?  carbon build up from arching?<

ok when u get the good rtv,do my first step's,do not discurage if it fails
as some time's it will,but the next trick i have is def the last 1..

what we will do is remove any carbon around the area where u have it..
if it fails u will need a hvr block
until we do the last test just stay fousced

ed

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yes and correct
>What is that black stuff anyways?  carbon build up from arching?<

ok when u get the good rtv,do my first step's,do not discurage if it fails
as some time's it will,but the next trick i have is def the last 1..

what we will do is remove any carbon around the area where u have it..
if it fails u will need a hvr block
until we do the last test just stay fousced

ed

Hi Ed...  Just wanted to give you a heads up on what Steve said. He said that he has a heavy rated one Which is also from a Sony and its part number is 1-230-940-11 he is willing to work with me and will exchange the unit for another if it doesn't work. My only issue is that I can't find out how much KV input my PVM uses. Where could I get that information? In the meantime I am cleaning out the HVR as I wait for the RTV silicone which should be here tomorrow along with my new multimeter. Eek! So excited.

[ed12]

26-28kv leans toward 27
sony is weird that way 26"=26kv
27'=27kv
29'=28kv >stressed there flyback's every time<

ed

[jennifer]

      **(Jennifer chuckles to herself).... The quick fix Is something I would try, Just because it sounds like a fun experiment, But in the end the replacement would be my go-to just because that's the kinda girl I am.... Now for this new meter, If your getting one of those new Fluke 28-2, I'm so Not,Not  jealous, Just not talking to you anymore.

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      **(Jennifer chuckles to herself).... The quick fix Is something I would try, Just because it sounds like a fun experiment, But in the end the replacement would be my go-to just because that's the kinda girl I am.... Now for this new meter, If your getting one of those new Fluke 28-2, I'm so Not,Not  jealous, Just not talking to you anymore.

I considered the FLUKE, but it's way to expensive for my hobbyist wallet. I ended up getting the
Extech EX430 True RMS Autoranging Multimeter from amazon.  Saw a few reviews on it on YouTube and figured it was the best one that suited my needs.  E

@ Ed.. Do you think i should give Steve's HVR a shot?  http://vtvparts.com/obsolete/cart.php look what i found, the same part he is selling me for $60 bucks less

[ed12]

in my basket it came up as 10.00,??
so where u got 63 from is a ?

ed