CRTEmuDriver for Windows 7 test results

[Calamity]

Out of Sync HF 38-40kHz, VF 47-160Hz  48.3  60Hz.

Yeah that's 1024x768

Will this command line function correct this problem?  Do you have the exact syntax that I could try from my CMD prompt?

bcdedit /set bootux basic

[DeLuSioNal29]

And how do you undo it? (Just in case)

Edit:  Nevermind, I found info on how to backup the BCD using tbe /export command.  I can always restore it using the /import command.

Read more here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709667%28v=ws.10%29.aspx

I need to read up more on this when I have some spare time.  It allows you to disable the boot screens:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ff794272%28v=winembedded.60%29.aspx

DeLuSioNaL29

[Sledge]

I need to read up more on this when I have some spare time.  It allows you to disable the boot screens:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/ff794272%28v=winembedded.60%29.aspx

Is that for embedded windows only?

[DeLuSioNal29]

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Is that for embedded windows only?

I believe it's for Windows 7.  "Windows embedded" is a whole different OS.

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[Sledge]

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Is that for embedded windows only?

I believe it's for Windows 7.  "Windows embedded" is a whole different OS.

D

Well the link you have is for windows embedded

[retrorepair]

Ok, I'm having some real issues here, most of which I am sure it due to me not keeping up with things and misunderstanding what has changed.

So my work flow is this:

Installed W7
Installed the beta CRTemu driver as admin, allowed test mode
rebooted
PC monitor now out of range, connected to arcade monitor and resolution is 320x240, managed to get 480i enabled thanks to arcadeosd
reboot
arcade monitor now a mess, resolution seems to have defaulted to 1024x768 
connected arcade monitor, reboot again
PC monitor now out of range, go back to arcade monitor, resolution once again 320x240

I figured something went wrong, so I uninstalled the driver and started again

Installed driver as admin, allowed test mode to be enabled again, rebooted with arcade monitor plugged in
Again, it's defaulted to 1024x768
rebooted with the pc monitor attached and guess what? 320x240 

I have a feeling I will be going back to XP pretty soon, any idea what's happening though or what I'm doing wrong?

[retrorepair]

As it goes, where are the instructions mentioned in the first post of this thread? I seem to be totally misunderstanding what I need to do here.

[Calamity]

Hi retrorepair,

Follow the instructions here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,138903.msg1440986.html#msg1440986

Pay special attention to step 4.7,  it's probably related to your issue. For some reason this problem happens to some users, we still don't know the exact cause but it is fixable.

[Calamity]

Another possible strategy: once you have the arcade monitor showing 320x240, without rebooting try reinstalling the driver again, just run Setup again and answer yes when it asks it you want to override the already existing driver*. Then reboot to check if the resolution stays.

*During driver installation, the screen will go out of sync for an instant, as the new driver instance is initialized. If you're scared about your monitor getting damaged switch it off during this step.

[retrorepair]

Ok well I used Display Driver Uninstaller from Guru3D and started again.

I have a problem with this point:

  4.5.- Now you should have a 31 kHz picture on your computer monitor. Go into screen properties, advanced, show all modes. In the list there should be this mode: 640 x 480 @ 30 Hz. 30 Hz stands for interlaced here. That's a 15 kHz mode. Select it and apply. Now your computer monitor should get out of sync.

The mode isn't listed 

I'll try your second suggestion but something tells me it's not installing right.

My card by the way is this exact one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141313972643?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

I'm also running Windows 7 Ultimate

I was also a bit confused by which XML mode I should select in VMMaker.ini since you say magic/static/dynamic modes shouldn't be used, yet they are the only modes there. I can't see an option for super modes.

[retrorepair]

Ok, tried second method, I reinstalled when it was in 320x240 but as it was installing it changed the res to 1024x768 again 

[Calamity]

Super resolutions are explained here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,138903.msg1440362.html#msg1440362

I'd bet the drivers are installing fine. It's more of an issue of what your previous resolution was I believe. For some reason Windows remembers it and tries to set it back under some circumstances. In my case I use a multisync monitor for the whole process (no cable switching) and it works perfectly. If you manage to install the driver with your arcade monitor attached all the time, it should work.

[Calamity]

Ok, tried second method, I reinstalled when it was in 320x240 but as it was installing it changed the res to 1024x768 again 

Go back to Windows default driver, by uninstalling the driver from device manager. Then set your desktop to 640x480. Then reinstall the driver.

[retrorepair]

Super resolutions are explained here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,138903.msg1440362.html#msg1440362

I'd bet the drivers are installing fine. It's more of an issue of what your previous resolution was I believe. For some reason Windows remembers it and tries to set it back under some circumstances. In my case I use a multisync monitor for the whole process (no cable switching) and it works perfectly. If you manage to install the driver with your arcade monitor attached all the time, it should work.

I guess I will need to adjust the hold on my monitor to get it to sync to 31k then (even if it's doubled, I can probably make it out).

In that link you say to use super modes but you don't say how. In VMMaker.ini there's only three options, static, dynamic and magic. Unless I'm not supposed to be using VMMaker at all?

I tried setting it to 640x480 before installing the driver by the way, I even restarted to make sure it was set. As I was installing the driver it set the resolution to 320x240 but when connected to the arcade monitor, when I reset it once again set the res to 1024x768.

Should I try adding the resistors to the RGB lines? Will that help? I'm running a JPac if that helps.

[retrorepair]

I've just realised I can't even set the resolution to 640x480 60hz as when your driver is installed the lowest refresh in the windows mode list is 72hz 

[Calamity]

I've just realised I can't even set the resolution to 640x480 60hz as when your driver is installed the lowest refresh in the windows mode list is 72hz 

That's really odd. Is it the same thing in ArcadeOSD?

[retrorepair]

Ok well yes it is weird, because now I have gone into arcadeOSD and all the resolutions are there now EXCEPT 640x480  60i/30hz

640x480 72p, 75p and 85p are all there but greyed out. In fact there are no interlaced modes listed at all.

[Calamity]

In that link you say to use super modes but you don't say how. In VMMaker.ini there's only three options, static, dynamic and magic. Unless I'm not supposed to be using VMMaker at all?

Either static or dynamic will work, just set both XML options to dynamic (1). And run VMMaker (with admin rights).

Should I try adding the resistors to the RGB lines? Will that help? I'm running a JPac if that helps.

No sure it would help. I'd be an interesting experiment anyway. I'm assuming you're using the same output as in XP don't you?

BTW Sledge was having the same issue, he somehow managed to solve it, let's see if he comes to the rescue.

[Calamity]

Ok well yes it is weird, because now I have gone into arcadeOSD and all the resolutions are there now EXCEPT 640x480  60i/30hz

640x480 72p, 75p and 85p are all there but greyed out. In fact there are no interlaced modes listed at all.

Then use a progressive resolution for the desktop. Yeah, you're having the same issue Sledge had. For some reason interlaced modes are being filtered out. This seems to happen with some cards. Maybe try the disabling the "Lock modes this monitor can show" option in advanced display settings, this will probably show the whole uncensored mode list.

[retrorepair]

Ok I'll try them anyway, can't hurt I guess. Thanks for the info on the super modes.

By the way, I told ArcadeOSD not to lock unsupported modes, selected 480i and nothing happened, it's outputting 800x600

EDIT: Just noticed me and Sledge have the same card, Radeon HD 4850 

[retrorepair]

Ok, now I've restarted and connected the arcade monitor. THIS time, we have 800x600 and 640x480 60p is in the windows advanced list!!

640x480@60p is also now the lowest mode listed in ArcadeOSD. When I set "lock unsupported modes" in arcadeOSD it tells me that actually the resolution is 120p!! So I've made sure it's set at 60p.

I'm going to try a restart now in 640x480 and then plug in the arcade monitor.

[retrorepair]

Well, it's not lying, the arcade monitor cannot sync to it(even doubled), I'm sure it's running at 120p.

Also when I keep the pc monitor connected it just stays in that mode so I am at a loss as to what I can do now. 

[Calamity]

I never meant that you used 640x480@60p, by progressive I meant something in the 15 kHz range. Aren't you seeing any of those in the advanced display options with the unlocked mode list?

Try booting in 640x480, press F8 during boot to enter the menu.

[retrorepair]

Nope, 720x480 30i is there but it's the lowest interlaced mode in the unlocked list. The absolute lowest res in the list is 640x480 59p

I never meant that you used 640x480@60p, by progressive I meant something in the 15 kHz range

Yeha I know but since you said installing the driver while the arcade monitor is attached I thought I would see if I could do that. Guess not!

BTW, even after running VMMaker modeline.txt and modelist.txt are empty 

[Calamity]

Nope, 720x480 30i is there but it's the lowest interlaced mode in the unlocked list. The absolute lowest res in the list is 640x480 59p

Didn't you try that one?!?

BTW, even after running VMMaker modeline.txt and modelist.txt are empty 

That's suspicious, probably you don't even have the custom modes installed. May you paste here what's being prompted by the VMMaker's console?

[Calamity]

Oh damned, I forgot to mention, with the "reloaded" version you must use the "AnyCatalyst = 1" option in vmmaker.ini, otherwise the driver won't be recognized.

[retrorepair]

Didn't you try that one?!?

Yeah, it's lying again, not an interlaced mode.

That's suspicious, probably you don't even have the custom modes installed. May you paste here what's being prompted by the VMMaker's console?

You mean the output of the console window yeah? I've attached my ini too.

I do have AnyCatalyst set to 1 

[cools]

Post your resllist.text, I'm betting you made the same mistake as I did on my first play with Vmmaker and the syntax isnt quite perfect.

[Calamity]

Yeah it must be a problem with ReslList.txt. I specifically posted it as a code section so users could just copy/paste with the exact format.
Also, use the "CUSTOM" preset just as it is defined by default.

[retrorepair]

Ah, for some reason it's decided to paste it all in one line in ReslList.txt!

I'll fix it and cross my fingers!

Cheers fellas

[retrorepair]

Ok so it found and generated 16 modes.

The difference now is that when MAME is on the arcade monitor all modes are interlaced. I still can't get it to sync on the arcade monitor from boot.

Windows is now in 640x480 permanently, but at 72khz when booting from the arcade monitor. However when the PC monitor is plugged in at boot, it outputs 480i.

[Calamity]

So does 640x480@60i appears now in the unlocked list (display properties not ArcadeOSD)? Can it be selected?

[Sledge]

In that link you say to use super modes but you don't say how. In VMMaker.ini there's only three options, static, dynamic and magic. Unless I'm not supposed to be using VMMaker at all?

Either static or dynamic will work, just set both XML options to dynamic (1). And run VMMaker (with admin rights).

Should I try adding the resistors to the RGB lines? Will that help? I'm running a JPac if that helps.

No sure it would help. I'd be an interesting experiment anyway. I'm assuming you're using the same output as in XP don't you?

BTW Sledge was having the same issue, he somehow managed to solve it, let's see if he comes to the rescue.

It does sound like a similar issue doesn't it... Though i'm not exactly sure what fixed it and now i'm too scared to change anything
To be noted though.. i'm still on the original drivers, not the reloaded ones..

BUT i didn't have an issue with modeline.txt and modelist.txt not being populated i don't think...
I just followed the instructions, and kept trying with setting the resolution multiple times (before rebooting etc), and installs, until it worked..
currently using super resolutions as well.. (and not hiding unsupported resolutions )

(Sorry i wasn't here earlier.. i was in bed .. and now i have to go to work )

[retrorepair]

So does 640x480@60i appears now in the unlocked list (display properties not ArcadeOSD)? Can it be selected?

When connected to the arcade monitor at boot and I change to the PC monitor 640x480@60i appears in the unlocked list only. When I connect the PC monitor at boot the modelines generated are all there.

I'd be interested to try the pre-reloaded driver to see if anything changes.

[Calamity]

I'd be interested to try the pre-reloaded driver to see if anything changes.

Use this link.

[cools]

Just a thought, would changing the monitor type in Windows help with this? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj133967(v=vs.85).aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff568432(v=vs.85).aspx

[Sledge]

Ok, so while playing around with a few things, i lost my 640x480 resolution 'sticking' on my machine.. back to how it was before...
tried setting it to 640x480 again through drivers etc, but if i started windows with the arcade screen connected it wouldn't sync.
If i started with an LCD it would boot, then go out of range, then i'd connect the arcade and it would be fine.. tried all sorts of things..

The thing that ended up working, was an archive i have here called switchres.zip
Inside there's 3 files..
640x288.exe (i think)
640x480.exe
800x600.exe

I ran 640x480 while the LCD was connected, it goes out of sync, i switch to arcade, so far so good... shut down, restart,  GOLD! machine boots at 640x480 and it sticks..
Not sure where i got the files from originally, i can't find them now.. but i DO have them here...
There's another util called quickres (sits in taskbar and allows you to choose any of your supported resolutions by the looks), which COULD do the same thing, but i haven't tried..

[cools]

Some more messing about - I cannot get super resolutions to work whatsoever. In fact I'm really struggling with anything in ReslList.txt - I'd like to get 1280x768 interlaced in there if possible (my minimum YRes is set to 384) but it only ever generates a modeline for 1294x944...

I've copied and pasted the list made by Calamity, removed the two duplicate entries, ran VMMaker which generates modelines as here:

Code: [Select]

Modeline "640x480_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 25.450 640 664 760 808 480 491 493 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "1264x944_60 31.47KHz 60.00Hz" 50.350 1264 1312 1504 1600 944 973 977 1049 interlace -hsync -vsync
Modeline "1368x1024_54 31.40KHz 54.00Hz" 54.010 1368 1416 1616 1720 1024 1070 1074 1163 interlace -hsync -vsync
Modeline "1368x1024_55 31.49KHz 55.00Hz" 54.410 1368 1416 1624 1728 1024 1061 1065 1145 interlace -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x384_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 384 443 445 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x392_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 392 447 449 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x400_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 400 451 453 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x416_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 416 459 461 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x432_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 432 467 469 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x448_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 448 475 477 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x464_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 464 483 485 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x480_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 480 491 493 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x496_58 31.50KHz 58.23Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 496 507 509 541 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x512_57 31.50KHz 56.55Hz" 101.810 2560 2656 3040 3232 512 523 525 557 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "2560x800_60 31.47KHz 60.00Hz" 101.710 2560 2656 3040 3232 800 901 905 1049 interlace -hsync -vsync
Modeline "5120x480_60 31.50KHz 60.00Hz" 203.620 5120 5312 6080 6464 480 491 493 525 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "5120x496_58 31.50KHz 58.23Hz" 203.620 5120 5312 6080 6464 496 507 509 541 -hsync -vsync
Modeline "5120x512_57 31.50KHz 56.55Hz" 203.620 5120 5312 6080 6464 512 523 525 557 -hsync -vsync

However in ArcadeOSD only the top 3 modelines appear. They are also not there if I show unsupported modes.

Running using the XML import is absolutely fine however and works well.

[Calamity]

The thing that ended up working, was an archive i have here called switchres.zip
Inside there's 3 files..
640x288.exe (i think)
640x480.exe
800x600.exe

Thanks a lot Sledge!

Those files are from Ultimarc indeed, they can be downloaded here: http://www.ultimarc.com/Switchres.zip

@retrorepair, before you test with the files pointed by Sledge, please check the new Arcade_OSD I've attached to this thread. Once you select a mode, there's a new option named "Set as default display mode", you need to select it and then make sure to select "Keep" before exiting the program*. I'm using a different method now to set the desktop mode just like the above programs do, hopefully now the modes stick.

*if for some reason you loose the program window upon mode switch, pressing "2" should bring it back.

[Calamity]

Some more messing about - I cannot get super resolutions to work whatsoever.

The only thing I can think off is that we're stumbling on a max dotclock value. May you try replacing the 2560x values by 1280x?