Building custom arcade cabinet

[Nitro0602]

Hey guys,
I have built a custom arcade cabinet that uses the Tankstick led/LCD 32" TV with a decent computer that can run mostly are arcade roms. I also put all retro rom/emulators like nes, snes, dreamcast, neo-geo...
Really turned out well as I used the Maximus arcade interface and programmed my Tankstick to play all emulators.

Now my question is... I have had a lot of people interested in buying the complete machine from me...
Which is good, but what would be my legal rights as I read that emulators/roms are not for resale only for home use

Can I sell the entire system and say games come free, as they would buying the entire package... I don't want to get in trouble.... Any help would be amazing!!!!

[Unstupid]

I like it, except for the x-arcade stick! 

[Nitro0602]

Thanks... Next one will be custom buttons
Just wanted to do an easy plug and play arcade cabinet for starters

[BobA]

There is no legal way to package the games (ROMS) with the emulators.  Do not look for work arounds or other ways to include them.  Even free is illegal.   Best not to bring up ROMS here as it is a NO NO.  You will never find a legal way unless you provide games that come as collections that can legally be purchased for home use.  Such collections exist and can be purchased.

[chopperthedog]

What is the height of the front of the control panel? Interesting approach but it looks like it would be odd to play both standing and sitting.


good day.

[SNAAKE]

you should be selling it as "NO F*#K*NG GAMES INCLUDED AT ALL!!"

[Brian74]

you should be selling it as "NO F*#K*NG GAMES INCLUDED AT ALL!!"

+1

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[Gray_Area]

Freakin spazzes.

Anyways, nice that you did a viewlix design. Pretty simply, too. Some visual enhancements would be: nixing the cabinet knobs (they make it look like furniture), and embedding or somehow obscuring the side mounting hardware.


@chopper: dude, you don't stand at it, like a prol. It's a candy type machine. You sit at it like a KING.

[Nitro0602]

Thanks for the input guys... The controller height is 3ft high from the ground.. I find it fine standing and perfect for sitting on a bar stool as I'm 6'3 tall.  I wanted to build something similar to Vewlix, but more simple and standup as sitting seems a bit to lazy/boring

Where can I legally purchase roms as I want to do this as legit as possible.

I'm working on some Vinyl artwork to spice it up a bit.. I see how it looks like furniture so hopefully artwork will change that.  Will post pics after as I'm in the middle of designing it

Any other input you guys have will be great!   

[kahlid74]

As has been said there really isn't anyway for you to sell it with all of that included legally.  If this is a one time sale, you can probably do things under the radar and be alright.  If you plan on making it a business or doing many of them be very careful, you're bound to raise some eyebrows.

[Gray_Area]

Yeah, just don't bother. Everybody downloads stuff and uses flash media these days. Build the machine, let others worry about the games.

[BobA]

You can include a legal collections disk to show that the cab works.  Legal Collection Link

[Nitro0602]

Thanks Boba, I will look into the buying the PC version!! Great link!

[Nitro0602]

Thanks Gray_Area!
I agree to many spazzes here!
But I think its easier for me just to sell the cabinet without games... to many issues, I could always tell them which sites to go on 

[paigeoliver]

I will go ahead and state the obvious, since no one else did.

Looks like an Xarcade stick on a tv stand. Sure, the monitor install looks sort of decent but that is the sort of thing everyone in the community laughs at.

You don't have a viable product there. You aren't adding any value. Your buddies might think you could sell that and they might pretend to be interested. But all of that will fall apart. I have been buying, selling, and building game cabinets cabinets since 2001 (over 300 to date). I have had countless friends and family express interest in them and ultimately not one of them every pulled the trigger on one of them, not even at cost. You can't count on any of those people to follow through, and what you are building there isn't competitive with anything else available in the marketplace.

Not trying to be a jerk, I am just stating the truth before you invest any money in trying to sell those things.

If you actually want to make some money selling game cabinets then you are going to at least have to learn how to integrate your own control panels and wire them up yourself. However even then competition is fierce and margins aren't all that high on anything that has a scratch-built cabinet.

Even if it was legal you don't want to sell them with a premade software setup. At some point down the road it will break and then they will be looking for you to fix it, no matter how long it has been. These days I normally only sell dedicated games, project games or parts. The only way I would sell a multicabinet today is either without a computer or using one of the JAMMA multiboards. The JAMMA multiboards may not be 100 percent legit, but nearly every arcade, pinball and jukebox retailer in America sells the things and you can buy the boards on Amazon. The copyright holders on the games on those things seem to have given up fighting them years ago.

[Rigby]

Everything paigeoliver said, plus:

You'd have better chances selling cabinets if you work with the customer to build them exactly what they want, rather than trying to convince them what you have is what they want.  No matter what you have, it is not what the customer wants, and they won't buy what you have, just as we've all seen.

[CoryBee]

You'd have better chances selling cabinets if you work with the customer to build them exactly what they want, rather than trying to convince them what you have is what they want.  No matter what you have, it is not what the customer wants, and they won't buy what you have, just as we've all seen.

  this ^

[mgb]

Thanks Gray_Area!
I agree to many spazzes here!
But I think its easier for me just to sell the cabinet without games... to many issues, I could always tell them which sites to go on 

so are you saying that the guys that gave you advice on your question, are spazzes?

[BobA]

Multiple threads on the same topic by the same OP are tiring.

[bradx]

trying not to be too much of a jerk, but, really?  you might be able to sell that to an ignorant friend, but youre not going to make a business out of selling those things, thats for sure.  considering you cant even rotate a picture i have little faith in your ability to set up the software properly, and dropping an x arcade stick into what looks like a TV cart with a hole in the top isnt exactly rocket science.  joysticks and buttons are switches, was an ipac too much for you to comprehend?  whats inside those cabinet doors?  where does the sound come from, the TV speakers?  making a marquee was too much work?  same goes for a monitor bezel i guess. 

the ONLY possible selling point is that it plays thousands of illegal games.  thats the only reason people are interested in buying it.  anyone smart enough to download roms and set up an emulator would be smart enough to build that thing themselves.  take away the games and the functionality of the thing and you have the value of a bunch of used parts and a stack of wood, only.  in other words, its worth less than you paid for it. 

why would you think you have the right to distribute roms you have no ownership of, free or otherwise? 

just curious, when you posted it for sale, what was your asking price? 

[mgb]

trying not to be too much of a jerk, but, really?  you might be able to sell that to an ignorant friend, but youre not going to make a business out of selling those things, thats for sure.  considering you cant even rotate a picture i have little faith in your ability to set up the software properly, and dropping an x arcade stick into what looks like a TV cart with a hole in the top isnt exactly rocket science.  joysticks and buttons are switches, was an ipac too much for you to comprehend?  whats inside those cabinet doors?  where does the sound come from, the TV speakers?  making a marquee was too much work?  same goes for a monitor bezel i guess. 

the ONLY possible selling point is that it plays thousands of illegal games.  thats the only reason people are interested in buying it.  anyone smart enough to download roms and set up an emulator would be smart enough to build that thing themselves.  take away the games and the functionality of the thing and you have the value of a bunch of used parts and a stack of wood, only.  in other words, its worth less than you paid for it. 

why would you think you have the right to distribute roms you have no ownership of, free or otherwise? 

just curious, when you posted it for sale, what was your asking price?

But Brad, it's custom.
It's not like its one of those off the shelf mass produced machines that the rest of us are using.

[mcseforsale]

My wife says sell them for $$ and I say Monster Arcade is down the street and he can whack out a full size cab on his CNC router in about 30 min.  Mine take months of spare time.

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[paigeoliver]

I once specifically knocked out a scratchbuilt cabinet starting from nothing the day before a game auction. Took 13 hours. My profit was about $150 after my costs and the auction fees. Not exactly a stellar hourly wage.

My wife says sell them for $$ and I say Monster Arcade is down the street and he can whack out a full size cab on his CNC router in about 30 min.  Mine take months of spare time.

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[mcseforsale]

I'm going to attempt the same thing with a couple of wee-cades.  I figure if nothing else, I can give them as gifts if noone wants to buy.  Lumber for those is cheap.   

AJ

I once specifically knocked out a scratchbuilt cabinet starting from nothing the day before a game auction. Took 13 hours. My profit was about $150 after my costs and the auction fees. Not exactly a stellar hourly wage.

My wife says sell them for $$ and I say Monster Arcade is down the street and he can whack out a full size cab on his CNC router in about 30 min.  Mine take months of spare time.

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[SNAAKE]

As has been said there really isn't anyway for you to sell it with all of that included legally.  If this is a one time sale, you can probably do things under the radar and be alright.  If you plan on making it a business or doing many of them be very careful, you're bound to raise some eyebrows.

[bradx]

trying not to be too much of a jerk, but, really?  you might be able to sell that to an ignorant friend, but youre not going to make a business out of selling those things, thats for sure.  considering you cant even rotate a picture i have little faith in your ability to set up the software properly, and dropping an x arcade stick into what looks like a TV cart with a hole in the top isnt exactly rocket science.  joysticks and buttons are switches, was an ipac too much for you to comprehend?  whats inside those cabinet doors?  where does the sound come from, the TV speakers?  making a marquee was too much work?  same goes for a monitor bezel i guess. 

the ONLY possible selling point is that it plays thousands of illegal games.  thats the only reason people are interested in buying it.  anyone smart enough to download roms and set up an emulator would be smart enough to build that thing themselves.  take away the games and the functionality of the thing and you have the value of a bunch of used parts and a stack of wood, only.  in other words, its worth less than you paid for it. 

why would you think you have the right to distribute roms you have no ownership of, free or otherwise? 

just curious, when you posted it for sale, what was your asking price?

But Brad, it's custom.
It's not like its one of those off the shelf mass produced machines that the rest of us are using.

you know what gets me?  he was too lazy/stupid to take the buttons and joystick out of the x-arcade box.  i wonder if he took the screws out and was, like, "oh man, there are way too many wires in here" or something, hahaha.  or did it never even occur to him? 

somebody who cannot fathom the mystery of wiring up a series of switches probably should find something else to sell than custom built arcade cabinets. 

and the slabs of unnecessary wood up top, why not put in some speakers or a marquee? 

its a TV, an old PC, and a USB joystick in a modified TV cart with a hole cut in the top. 

[Skitterleap]

For trying not to be too much of a jerk, you sure are one, brad. There are nicer ways to get your point across than to completely slam on everything like it disgusts you.

Firstly, I like the design. It looks good.
Second, X-arcade sells cabinets much like this for $2599.99, except I personally think x-arcade's looks terrible in comparison.

Could he make some upgrades for speakers? Absolutely.
Would I attempt to make a business out of producing these? No.

but the way I understood this thread, this guy made a viable cabinet to chunk some premade gear into. Once he learned of the wider world of home cabinet making, he decided he wanted to do a proper one, and selling his current would make a bunch of sense. Having just started learning about these things, I can relate to that.

Your post is just toxic and your few valid points are drowned out by your useless attitude. What is it that angers you so about how a cabinet you will never play on is made?

[nitz]

Yeah, I don't see a reason to get worked up about this. He's new and you're really giving him a rough time to say the least.

The guy did a clean, if non traditional build, had some buddies who were interested in buying it, and thought maybe he could make a bit of money selling them. What's the big deal?

It's stuff like this that makes some people not want to post their projects. I'm wrapping up a scratch build. It's my first cab, I came into it with virtually zero woodworking skills, and it does show a bit. I'm probably not gonna do a project thread. I think it's turning out ok, and I can take constructive criticism for sure, but it seems like when somebody does something non-traditional or something that's a bit rough around the edges, words like "crapmame", "lazy", and "stupid" start getting tossed about. I don't think everyone should just praise everything, as that benefits no one, but just offer some constructive criticism or don't say anything at all.

Anyway, in case the OP is still around and thinking about it, I'll respectfully add my two cents as to why this really isn't viable. Even with a very conservative cost estimate, say $100 for the X-Arcade, $150 for the TV, a $50 PC, $50 for the remaining materials, and a measly $50 for your labor, we're already at a $400 price tag.

Someone who wants an arcade unit will likely want a more traditional cab - which they can probably find in their local classifieds for less than $400.

Someone who wants a setup like this and does their homework will realize that they can pick up a tankstick for $100 and hook it up to a PC and TV that they probably already have.

If your buddies are willing to pay you to set one of these up for them rather than do the work themselves, I say go for it. But it's probably not worth your time and money to start producing these and putting them on Craigslist or Kijiji or whatever.

[Nitro0602]

You know what gets me bradx.. how much of a moron you sound!!!  I would swear.. but honestly your not worth it...  I can tell your a pathetic loser that has nothing better to do in life

Haters will haters.. but I am selling these at a reasonable price, due to fact everything has warranty and bought from stores.. all new except the computer, which I still buy from a retail store that is refurbished.  I give my clients warranty on everything and where to send it to if something goes wrong, or they can come by my warehouse and I can take care of it for them.

Speakers.. yes
Graphics.. yes

bradx.. seriously, get a life! No character at all, surprised this website allows to even post crap like that.. people like you deserve noting but failure.

A lot of people are not computer tech savvy.. what easy for us, is confusing to others... I thought that was common sense, but not everyone can understands that

Anyways.. thanks for the positive feedback.. I fully understand the tankstick is looked down upon.. but the fact they give lifetime warranty, is a huge selling feature and less hassle for me.

trying not to be too much of a jerk, but, really?  you might be able to sell that to an ignorant friend, but youre not going to make a business out of selling those things, thats for sure.  considering you cant even rotate a picture i have little faith in your ability to set up the software properly, and dropping an x arcade stick into what looks like a TV cart with a hole in the top isnt exactly rocket science.  joysticks and buttons are switches, was an ipac too much for you to comprehend?  whats inside those cabinet doors?  where does the sound come from, the TV speakers?  making a marquee was too much work?  same goes for a monitor bezel i guess. 

the ONLY possible selling point is that it plays thousands of illegal games.  thats the only reason people are interested in buying it.  anyone smart enough to download roms and set up an emulator would be smart enough to build that thing themselves.  take away the games and the functionality of the thing and you have the value of a bunch of used parts and a stack of wood, only.  in other words, its worth less than you paid for it. 

why would you think you have the right to distribute roms you have no ownership of, free or otherwise? 

just curious, when you posted it for sale, what was your asking price?

But Brad, it's custom.
It's not like its one of those off the shelf mass produced machines that the rest of us are using.

you know what gets me?  he was too lazy/stupid to take the buttons and joystick out of the x-arcade box.  i wonder if he took the screws out and was, like, "oh man, there are way too many wires in here" or something, hahaha.  or did it never even occur to him? 

somebody who cannot fathom the mystery of wiring up a series of switches probably should find something else to sell than custom built arcade cabinets. 

and the slabs of unnecessary wood up top, why not put in some speakers or a marquee? 

its a TV, an old PC, and a USB joystick in a modified TV cart with a hole cut in the top.

[rpgposer]

The original post made it seem like your friends were interested in something you built.  Now it appears you might be gearing up to sell many of these things.  To me, it changes the feel from sharing something cool with your friends to something mass produced.  There are other companies doing this.  You can either undercut or do better than them.  I would lean towards something better.  I would put speakers and a piece of clear plexi in the marquee area that you can stick printed art behind.  I would use real sticks and buttons (sanwa/seimitsu) and an encoder.  I would NOT supply a PC.  This removes the liability of OS, emulation and roms.

Is this as good as my old angle woody or a japanese candy cab (which I do not have)?  No.

[Nitro0602]

You sound jealous man... Some of you guys litterally sound like "Grumpy old Men"
You guys are all pathetic loosers, that have nothing better else to do.. We're in the 21st century, not stuck in the 80's.. You guys may not like the build.. Which doesn't bother me, but I wanted to turn something old School to something new.  This thing is solid and built like the tankstick... But whatever I say you pathetic loosers will roll your eyes and be negative... So both ways, get a life, stop being haters and screw off!

I like positive criticism, like artwork, speakers... Which I have already corrected, so thank you guys for the positive feedback and the constructive criticism, much appreciated!

Anyways.. You haters should really think before you comment, because you look like a bunch of ass's with no class!

Later haters!! Lol

I will go ahead and state the obvious, since no one else did.

Looks like an Xarcade stick on a tv stand. Sure, the monitor install looks sort of decent but that is the sort of thing everyone in the community laughs at.

You don't have a viable product there. You aren't adding any value. Your buddies might think you could sell that and they might pretend to be interested. But all of that will fall apart. I have been buying, selling, and building game cabinets cabinets since 2001 (over 300 to date). I have had countless friends and family express interest in them and ultimately not one of them every pulled the trigger on one of them, not even at cost. You can't count on any of those people to follow through, and what you are building there isn't competitive with anything else available in the marketplace.

Not trying to be a jerk, I am just stating the truth before you invest any money in trying to sell those things.

If you actually want to make some money selling game cabinets then you are going to at least have to learn how to integrate your own control panels and wire them up yourself. However even then competition is fierce and margins aren't all that high on anything that has a scratch-built cabinet.

Even if it was legal you don't want to sell them with a premade software setup. At some point down the road it will break and then they will be looking for you to fix it, no matter how long it has been. These days I normally only sell dedicated games, project games or parts. The only way I would sell a multicabinet today is either without a computer or using one of the JAMMA multiboards. The JAMMA multiboards may not be 100 percent legit, but nearly every arcade, pinball and jukebox retailer in America sells the things and you can buy the boards on Amazon. The copyright holders on the games on those things seem to have given up fighting them years ago.

[mcseforsale]

Calling people "haters" is so 90s tech.  I call weaksauce.

Either way, enjoy.

AJ

You sound jealous man... Some of you guys litterally sound like "Grumpy old Men"
You guys are all pathetic loosers, that have nothing better else to do.. We're in the 21st century, not stuck in the 80's.. You guys may not like the build.. Which doesn't bother me, but I wanted to turn something old School to something new.  This thing is solid and built like the tankstick... But whatever I say you pathetic loosers will roll your eyes and be negative... So both ways, get a life, stop being haters and screw off!

I like positive criticism, like artwork, speakers... Which I have already corrected, so thank you guys for the positive feedback and the constructive criticism, much appreciated!

Anyways.. You haters should really think before you comment, because you look like a bunch of ass's with no class!

Later haters!! Lol

I will go ahead and state the obvious, since no one else did.

Looks like an Xarcade stick on a tv stand. Sure, the monitor install looks sort of decent but that is the sort of thing everyone in the community laughs at.

You don't have a viable product there. You aren't adding any value. Your buddies might think you could sell that and they might pretend to be interested. But all of that will fall apart. I have been buying, selling, and building game cabinets cabinets since 2001 (over 300 to date). I have had countless friends and family express interest in them and ultimately not one of them every pulled the trigger on one of them, not even at cost. You can't count on any of those people to follow through, and what you are building there isn't competitive with anything else available in the marketplace.

Not trying to be a jerk, I am just stating the truth before you invest any money in trying to sell those things.

If you actually want to make some money selling game cabinets then you are going to at least have to learn how to integrate your own control panels and wire them up yourself. However even then competition is fierce and margins aren't all that high on anything that has a scratch-built cabinet.

Even if it was legal you don't want to sell them with a premade software setup. At some point down the road it will break and then they will be looking for you to fix it, no matter how long it has been. These days I normally only sell dedicated games, project games or parts. The only way I would sell a multicabinet today is either without a computer or using one of the JAMMA multiboards. The JAMMA multiboards may not be 100 percent legit, but nearly every arcade, pinball and jukebox retailer in America sells the things and you can buy the boards on Amazon. The copyright holders on the games on those things seem to have given up fighting them years ago.

[chopperthedog]

Well the truth struck a nerve there. You must not have many friends. Not sure what kind of accolades you were hoping for by taking a microwave stand and half assing an xarcade into it and thinking you could sell it as a product. But carry on dude.


good day.

[Nitro0602]

You talk like your avatar.. Lol
You replying must have struck a nerve too... No?
I hope many people see these haters and banned their ass's!
People like you are just talk, no brains.. Shoot first then think.. Right?
I'm actually finding this funny, you knock others, but I don't tolerate BS, especially from smucks like you.

I would like to delete this thread, cause I don't want to have any assoication from you haters.

For all you beginners, don't be intimated by these buffoons, I'm not no expert, but msg me if you need any help

Well the truth struck a nerve there. You must not have many friends. Not sure what kind of accolades you were hoping for by taking a microwave stand and half assing an xarcade into it and thinking you could sell it as a product. But carry on dude.


good day.

[chopperthedog]

You sound jealous man... Some of you guys litterally sound like "Grumpy old Men"
You guys are all pathetic loosers, that have nothing better else to do.. We're in the 21st century, not stuck in the 80's.. You guys may not like the build.. Which doesn't bother me, but I wanted to turn something old School to something new.  This thing is solid and built like the tankstick... But whatever I say you pathetic loosers will roll your eyes and be negative... So both ways, get a life, stop being haters and screw off!

I like positive criticism, like artwork, speakers... Which I have already corrected, so thank you guys for the positive feedback and the constructive criticism, much appreciated!

Anyways.. You haters should really think before you comment, because you look like a bunch of ass's with no class!

Later haters!! Lol

You talk like your avatar.. Lol
You replying must have struck a nerve too... No?
I hope many people see these haters and banned their ass's!
People like you are just talk, no brains.. Shoot first then think.. Right?
I'm actually finding this funny, you knock others, but I don't tolerate BS, especially from smucks like you.

I would like to delete this thread, cause I don't want to have any assoication from you haters.

For all you beginners, don't be intimated by these buffoons, I'm not no expert, but msg me if you need any help

  quoted other posts so you can't edit them. Does the slightest negative friction always lead to you turning into a child with the name calling? I await to see what other Brady Bunch insults you can dig up.



good day.

[Nitro0602]

It's not name calling if its the honest truth 
Your suggestion that I have hardly any friends, sounds like someone from the 80's/90's pathetic smuck of a looser would say who hates all day (see what I did there  )

I hope the moderators delete this thread or at least the haters, cause you guys turned something honest to hate.

You sound jealous man... Some of you guys litterally sound like "Grumpy old Men"
You guys are all pathetic loosers, that have nothing better else to do.. We're in the 21st century, not stuck in the 80's.. You guys may not like the build.. Which doesn't bother me, but I wanted to turn something old School to something new.  This thing is solid and built like the tankstick... But whatever I say you pathetic loosers will roll your eyes and be negative... So both ways, get a life, stop being haters and screw off!

I like positive criticism, like artwork, speakers... Which I have already corrected, so thank you guys for the positive feedback and the constructive criticism, much appreciated!

Anyways.. You haters should really think before you comment, because you look like a bunch of ass's with no class!

Later haters!! Lol

You talk like your avatar.. Lol
You replying must have struck a nerve too... No?
I hope many people see these haters and banned their ass's!
People like you are just talk, no brains.. Shoot first then think.. Right?
I'm actually finding this funny, you knock others, but I don't tolerate BS, especially from smucks like you.

I would like to delete this thread, cause I don't want to have any assoication from you haters.

For all you beginners, don't be intimated by these buffoons, I'm not no expert, but msg me if you need any help

  quoted other posts so you can't edit them. Does the slightest negative friction always lead to you turning into a child with the name calling? I await to see what other Brady Bunch insults you can dig up.



good day.

[yotsuya]

Why would they delete it? You asked for opinions, you got honest ones.Some were harsh, sure, but that doesn't make them less valid.

[Rick]

I feel like we're being trolled here. It's not like you don't expect 'colourful critique' when you post on a forum... To have such a violent response to comments seems a bit staged.

[CoryBee]

Why would they delete it? You asked for opinions, you got honest ones.Some were harsh, sure, but that doesn't make them less valid.

This x100

Have to learn to take insults\criticism with a bit of class or you will always end up where you are now (not respected by the people you looked to for guidance, in this case, these forum members).

I caught a lot of flak a year and a half ago from my early builds, I never once turned to anger or chose to insult those members. I used what they had to say and turned it into progress on the next build, after a few builds I caught onto what those who had mean things to say and those who had constructive things to say. I am now producing a better looking product, with a solid interior, better parts and have greatly increased my woodworking skills all thanks to these fine folks here at BYOAC.

Anyways, all this to say you shouldn't insult the people you ask help from (or for their opinions), they obviously know more about the subject than you do....or why else would you have posted?

Good luck in the future, also you will find more people are interested in a classic design than something unfamiliar so get a marquee in there and lose the X-Arcade for starters.....<<<<< My .02¢ worth of constructive criticism

[Nitro0602]

Okay, lets clear this up before it gets totally out of hand... I will try to make this quick as possible... without any harsh words
Everything posted prior to Bradx was fine, had a bit of a problem with paigeoilver, but hey to each their own.. right?
Personally, I felt that paigeoliver is more old school doesn't understand the newer era in gaming/arcades.  With the X-Arcade you can get adapters to play on your xbox/ps3... customers, not just friends have been concerned with crappy old cabinets breaking down, buttons and all... so I used the easy approach with a plug n play system, that obviously is frowned upon on here..lol  Nothing personal with paigeoliver, just don't see eye to eye with his comment...
Now on to Bradx... his comments just sounded overkill and uncalled for.. no need to take it to that level.. then without me replying, post another comment saying I was to lazy/stupid (who started the name calling first)  People like that should not be allowed to post.. that's where the whole "hater" came about
- thank you for the guys who also stated that and understood how uncalled his posts were 
chopperthedog.. no idea why he went off.. maybe has multiple personalities.. no clue.. but to say, "He must not have many friends" once again is uncalled for...

so others who think I'm being harsh, please read above and understand why.. before accusing someone... that's where I mentioned "Shoot first, think later" lol

Believe what you want.. but I have had great feedback and customers really like the clean simplicity of the cabinet, don't get me wrong I have also received negative emails with my product.. that comes with the any side business you choose.  My Whole system has 3 usb wires, 2 power cords and I HDMI cord... simple, plug n play approach for a lazy/stupid guy who has no friends