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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #240 on: July 09, 2013, 02:35:18 am »
Thanks guys for the nice reviews! :cheers:

I've been testing the mini SLG 2 prototype over the last few days, and am just about ready to send the files over to have the boards printed.

The big change is that there will no longer be two different versions ("PC" or "Arcade"). Instead the mini 2 is a universal model with 2 modes, selected by a small switch. Mode 1 is recommended for Arcade hardware/consoles, and Mode 2 for PC/MAME.

The mini 2 will also feature an "off" setting, to completely disable scanlines. The unit is turned off by selecting the center position of the Mode switch.

The last change is that the mini 2 will be more stubby, and a little wider. The shorter length will help with tight spaces (like inside bartops), and will cause the unit to protrude less from PC video cards (less potential for cable strain).

I expect to have the mini SLG 2 ready for sale in the first week of August. The cost will go up slightly to $26 to accomodate an increase in production costs. I still have a few pcbs left for the current version, and will continue selling those units at $22 until I run out. If you already own a mini SLG, I'm planning on offering a special discount so you won't have to pay full price, stay tuned :)
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #241 on: July 09, 2013, 11:35:54 am »
will this model have proper tightening screws that match up with normal monitor cables?

Duct tape isn't working out as a way to hold the old model onto the 60-1 and i'm about ready to give up on clever ideas other than bolting the slg directly to the side of the cab with proper spacers.

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #242 on: July 09, 2013, 11:38:45 am »
I've bought one, works great with my Dreamcast vga adapter to LCD monitor... however, when I connect it to my RGB -> VGA converter & then the LCD, it does nothing.  That mean I need the other (or the new) model?

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #243 on: July 09, 2013, 12:59:47 pm »
will this model have proper tightening screws that match up with normal monitor cables?

Duct tape isn't working out as a way to hold the old model onto the 60-1 and i'm about ready to give up on clever ideas other than bolting the slg directly to the side of the cab with proper spacers.

I am looking at using proper VGA connectors so that the connections can be made securely. Once I receive the connectors I've ordered I'll post up some photos.

I've bought one, works great with my Dreamcast vga adapter to LCD monitor... however, when I connect it to my RGB -> VGA converter & then the LCD, it does nothing.  That mean I need the other (or the new) model?

That is strange, I'm assuming the LCD you hooked to the VGA converter is the same one you used with the Dreamcast? Which VGA converter are you using, and what resolution are you outputting? I'm guessing you are getting a picture, but no scanlines, which will happen if you are outputting @ 800x600. Let me know and I'll help you get it working!
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #244 on: July 09, 2013, 01:14:16 pm »
I've bought one, works great with my Dreamcast vga adapter to LCD monitor... however, when I connect it to my RGB -> VGA converter & then the LCD, it does nothing.  That mean I need the other (or the new) model?

That is strange, I'm assuming the LCD you hooked to the VGA converter is the same one you used with the Dreamcast? Which VGA converter are you using, and what resolution are you outputting? I'm guessing you are getting a picture, but no scanlines, which will happen if you are outputting @ 800x600. Let me know and I'll help you get it working!

No, different LCD's.  17" for the Dreamcast, 20.1" for the other system. 

I do get a picture, but no scanlines.  This is the converter I'm using:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330605923350

I will try to check what the output is set at, what does it need to be?

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #245 on: July 09, 2013, 01:51:24 pm »
No, different LCD's.  17" for the Dreamcast, 20.1" for the other system. 

I do get a picture, but no scanlines.  This is the converter I'm using:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330605923350

I will try to check what the output is set at, what does it need to be?

Looks like a Gonbes converter, which I have as well and have done quite a lot of testing with. So my guess is the output resolution needs to be changed to 640x480, I believe it is set at 800x600 for the factory default. There is a button on the converter board labeled 'Menu' that will get into the on-screen-display menu and from there you can change the resolution. let me know if that works!
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FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #246 on: July 09, 2013, 02:09:33 pm »
Is the scan line generating circuitry going to be the same in the new version? Just wondering if the output will be different.

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #247 on: July 09, 2013, 03:37:17 pm »
Is the scan line generating circuitry going to be the same in the new version? Just wondering if the output will be different.

Same circuit design, just modified slightly to create two operating modes that represent the existing "Arcade" & "PC" versions. The scanline effect will appear the same with the mini 2 as with the original unit.
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #248 on: July 09, 2013, 07:54:39 pm »
640 x 480 didn't work, but the next one up from 800 x 600 did.


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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #249 on: July 09, 2013, 09:42:59 pm »
640 x 480 didn't work, but the next one up from 800 x 600 did.

That is some weirdness, but I'm glad you got it working for your VGA converter setup @ 1024x768, and from the photo you posted the results look nice! Looks like Metal Slug on a Neo Geo MVS?
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Re: Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #250 on: July 09, 2013, 09:53:30 pm »
640 x 480 didn't work, but the next one up from 800 x 600 did.

That is some weirdness, but I'm glad you got it working for your VGA converter setup @ 1024x768, and from the photo you posted the results look nice! Looks like Metal Slug on a Neo Geo MVS?

Yes, it is. :-)

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #251 on: July 09, 2013, 10:00:15 pm »
Sweet, I love the Metal Slugs. Lately I've been playing Super Spy, took me awhile to find a cart at a decent price. The next game on my MVS wish list is Nam '75, but lately they have been going for $60+.
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #252 on: July 11, 2013, 11:39:46 am »
Well that didn't take long, I am out of the pcbs for the current version of the mini!

I'm going over the new board layout with a fine tooth comb, and will be submitting the files next week. Turn around time is about a week, so the mini SLG 2 is on track for release in the first week of August.

I promised a special deal for current mini owners, and here it is: $15 + shipping (limit 1).

Regular price will be $27 + shipping.

I'll post up photos of the new unit once I get the boards back!
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #253 on: July 11, 2013, 11:50:02 am »
I'd be down for that deal.   :cheers:

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #254 on: July 11, 2013, 12:43:39 pm »
I'd be down for that deal.   :cheers:

+1

Glad I bought mine when I did.


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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #255 on: July 24, 2013, 11:31:42 am »
I want a new one, PM me when they are ready, glad I bought a first run and glad you decided to take my advice and add an off button  :afro:
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #256 on: July 24, 2013, 11:51:53 am »
I'll take you up on that deal, too :cheers:
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #257 on: July 24, 2013, 11:55:36 am »
Sure thing guys! The pcbs should arrive at my door on Friday, so I will be able start shipping next week. I'll post up photos of the new version, and contact everyone through PM when I am ready to send out invoices.
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #258 on: July 24, 2013, 11:58:06 am »
Excellent.  I have money for you

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #259 on: July 24, 2013, 12:06:20 pm »
Excellent.  I have money for you

Great send it on over.    ;D


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          I'm using it on my 60-in-1 board and it really makes it look official.
Looking forward to seeing the new model.

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #260 on: July 26, 2013, 10:33:01 am »
So, it's $26 for the new version, and $9 shipping to Canada? (I'm just checking, since your sig still says $22.) Let me know, and I'm IN!

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #261 on: July 26, 2013, 10:58:03 am »
Hey Rick, you are right, I have not updated the prices yet on my website or signature, so I'll give you the $22 price + $9 shipping to Canada. You are added to the list! I'm going to be sending out PayPal invoices early next week.

I'm waiting until Monday when all the parts come in to change the pricing, so I can also update the product photos & description as well.
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #262 on: July 26, 2013, 11:18:05 am »
Old unit $22 + $9 to Canada, new unit $26 + $9 ?
Existing buyers can get a unit for $15 + $9 ?

I got these in the mail but haven't been able to test them.
First child arrived and some other family issues have left me with no time.

I'd like to test em ASAP and write up a review. I got one PC + 1 ARCADE .

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #263 on: July 26, 2013, 11:37:25 am »
Hey Mike, yep that pricing is correct. I wanted to offer up a deal for my existing customers with the $15 price.

The new unit performs the same way as the original with regard to how the scanlines look on screen, but combines the PC & Arcade versions by providing a mode switch that also has an off position to turn off scanlines all together.
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #264 on: July 26, 2013, 12:03:16 pm »
I will do a new version when there ready.

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« Reply #265 on: July 28, 2013, 01:36:30 am »
New version for me also.

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #266 on: July 29, 2013, 04:51:47 pm »
mini SLG 2 update: I am waiting on a shipment of slide switches which should arrive by Aug 1st.

I searched around for a quality slide switch to use for the new version. I wanted a switch that had a nice actuator, that would be easy to operate blind in a hard to reach place (like the inside of a bartop, or cramped cabinet). I choose a switch from C&K that fit that criteria, and also features a satisfying click in all three positions (Arcade mode, OFF, PC mode). The switch normally retails for $4+, but I was able to work out a great deal with a vendor for a bulk order. Because of the quantity, there was a little bit of lead time, and that is why I'm a bit behind schedule.

I'll send out PayPal invoices later this week to everyone who has contacted me or posted in this thread. Pricing is $15 for previous customers, and $22 for new buyers. After the mini SLG 2 is released, the price will be set at $27, so if you are interested get in now for the discount!
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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #267 on: August 05, 2013, 08:44:10 pm »
All parts have arrived, and I've built two units tonight, and both passed all tests!

I'll be sending out PayPal invoices tonight and will start shipping on Wednesday.

You might notice the mini SLG 2 looks a little different. The new version is sans case, the VGA connectors are close enough together on the tiny board that they virtually form their own shell.

I'm going to update the first post in this thread with the new photo, and the feature run-down of the new version, but here is a recap:

-- Two operating modes for better compatibility in a single unit

-- Quality three position slide switch for mode selection & OFF (center position)

-- 5mm shorter than the original mini SLG

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Re: FS: mini SLG (scanline generator) is available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #268 on: August 06, 2013, 12:59:24 am »
Size comparison with the original mini SLG. I was hoping to make this version even shorter, but the 5mm I shaved off the length will definitely help in a cramped space!
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #269 on: August 06, 2013, 09:38:26 am »
Awesome.  I'll be using this new one in my DC bartop...  being able to turn the scanlines on / off is a huge plus!

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« Reply #270 on: August 06, 2013, 09:41:21 am »
replied to PM, and I dont think you can get it much shorter without vertically stacking the DB9s and having the SLG boards vertical (and I think that would be over engineering it)
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #271 on: August 06, 2013, 10:24:28 am »
Has anyone devise a way to put this in the cabinet so that it is easily accessible without having to open the back of the cabinet to do the switching?

The vga port from the monitor would be too far away from either the sides/or back of the cabinet to fit into a hole of the sides/or back of the cabinet.  This is going to be a little tough.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #272 on: August 06, 2013, 11:02:26 am »
I'm more concerned with trying not to snap this thing in half while plugging it in without a plastic housing...

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #273 on: August 06, 2013, 11:36:59 am »
Has anyone devise a way to put this in the cabinet so that it is easily accessible without having to open the back of the cabinet to do the switching?

The vga port from the monitor would be too far away from either the sides/or back of the cabinet to fit into a hole of the sides/or back of the cabinet.  This is going to be a little tough.

get a KVM or video splitter, wire it to near the coin door.

I'm more concerned with trying not to snap this thing in half while plugging it in without a plastic housing...
They sell the EDID dongles that are used with Soft15 the same way, no issues.
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #274 on: August 06, 2013, 11:45:09 am »
Regarding accessibility of the mode switch in a cabinet, either mode should work for most setups, so that once you have a preference you can leave that setting even with mixed hardware in the same cab. And for MAME cabs if you want the front end to not have scanlines, remember to run it @ 1280x1024 or higher resolution, which has the same effect as switching the unit off.

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I'm more concerned with trying not to snap this thing in half while plugging it in without a plastic housing...

The stubby form factor combined with the close placement of the VGA connectors actually lends the pcb quite a bit of rigidity. You'd have to torque it pretty hard to bend the board.

PS - If you are a previous customer, you can still get the new version for $15! (limit 1)
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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #275 on: August 06, 2013, 12:22:31 pm »
Invoice received and payment sent! Even though my cab is nowhere close to complete, I'm excited to receive this!!! (I've got the monitor 'fit' in place, and have been showing my boys Galaga from my laptop, so I will happily do some playtesting once it arrives!)


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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #276 on: August 06, 2013, 03:21:08 pm »
Hi ,
i am interested in buying a mini SLG 2 scanline generator , what would be the price including shipping to the UK

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #277 on: August 06, 2013, 03:56:39 pm »
Hi Dave,

Your are asking at the right time, I'll still give you the old price of $22 + $14 shipping/UK = $36 USD.

If that sounds good send me an email at orders@craftymech.com, and I will send you a PayPal invoice.

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #278 on: August 07, 2013, 11:25:33 am »
GREAT THANKS email sent

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Re: FS: mini SLG 2 (scanline generator) is now available! (Colorado, USA)
« Reply #279 on: August 08, 2013, 10:49:12 pm »
Hey everyone, I started shipping packages yesterday, running about a day behind but catching up.

Thanks for the great response so far to the mini SLG 2 release!

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