Yeah, the first is definately a 49way. Xiaox (sp?) can tell you all about that. So can uRebel and me:)
Looks like a sinistar one too. Though they usually had a white spider ont he bottom. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been replaced at some point in tim. Unless you have the arcade machine, that joystick is worthless to you. No way to use it on a computer right now. The conversion to a conversion to a conversion technique may not be very accurate

It can be done though.
The second may be a dedicated cocktail, but most cocktails were generic cabinets. I assume it is for a coctail cabinet that didn't use buttons has it appears to have a large footprint. But since it has a small profile it was definately for a cocktail cabinet. And it is meant for a metal cp:)