Who manufactures the 60-1 multi JAMMA boards?

[Dariusz]

Hi

Does any know who manufactures the 60-1 multi JAMMA boards?

Any web sites / company details posted are appreciated.

Thanks

D

[CheffoJeffo]

Sorry ... we can talk about  the boards, can't can't point you to where to buy them as they are not legal.

[Le Chuck]

Latest incarnation of driverman to appear in 3...2...1

[fascco]

Hi

Does any know who manufactures the 60-1 multi JAMMA boards?

Any web sites / company details posted are appreciated.

Thanks

D

I don't think they would tell you how to flash custom image or add new games anyway, but just the other day I saw something about it on KLOV forum, probably better to ask there about this kind of stuff. 

So you want to put Elevator Action and Marble Madness on 60-in-1, even though the rest of the games are vertical? Sounds like something you would need to compile your own build, but I wouldn't try it as the hardware seem too weak for those games. It's XScale PXA270 and today's entry level phones are better than that, so it could actually be simpler if you build the whole thing from scratch yourself, maybe with something like this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumstix


But then, why not just use some old PC like everyone else?

[matsadona]

I still believe it is double standards being on a MAME forum and say the 60-in-1’s are illegal (but your MAME PC’s are not).
Yes, I do know that the (Chinese?) vendor is breaking all kind of MAME policies/licenses etc., but still it is just a MAME PC with integrated JAMMA hardware that someone built and took some money for building. What is that different from having a DELL PC with an J-PAC interface really?

I have more than 20 cabinets now, some are dedicated, one is a MAME PC and some use different x-in-1 boards.
My personal opinion is that I’m paying for the convenience of getting all hardware in place, not the MAME licenses. And I have no second thoughts about buying them. Of course I prefer the original cabinets and pcb’s, but in my part of the world it is an utopia to get all the games I want.
And trying to have a life besides my arcade basement I can’t spend months messing around with a MAME PC and the additional hardware for some casual gaming.
The x-in-1 boards is a compromise (quality/price/time) but if time is more important than having the perfect emulation, they are convenient. Just connect and power on. In the best of worlds somebody realizes that I just want the hardware (with JAMMA) that I can configure myself. And if there is no MAME preloaded maybe people here would ease down a bit?

But once again, this is my personal opinion and I do know that there are others here with an opposite opinion

[Malenko]

I still believe it is double standards being on a MAME forum and say the 60-in-1’s are illegal (but your MAME PC’s are not).

There is no double standard. We cannot give links to ROMs just like we cant give links to Xin1 Boards.

That is rule #5
5. Nothing illegal! Do I even need to explain this one? Need a ROM to repair an arcade board you own? Fine to talk about. Need a ROM to complete your MAME collection? Don't bother to post here. If someone posts such a request, please don't answer it -- no direct answers, no hints, no private messages.

Also, this is not a MAME forum (rule 9)
9. BYOAC strives to be a MAME-friendly site. There's a page discussing BYOAC and MAME's relationship that you should read, but the short nutshell is that BYOAC will strive to honor MAMEDev wishes regarding distribution of MAME and derivatives thereof.

[CheffoJeffo]

I still believe it is double standards being on a MAME forum and say the 60-in-1’s are illegal (but your MAME PC’s are not).

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But once again, this is my personal opinion and I do know that there are others here with an opposite opinion

First, I haven't seen many people claim that their MAME PC's are legal ... there are exceptions and there are reasons for those exceptions.

More importantly, It makes absolutely no difference what anybody other than saint thinks about the rules.

His BBQ. His rules.

You want to talk about stuff that is against the rules, either do it somewhere else (hell, there are boards specifically dedicated to what you are talking about!) or start your own board and make your own rules

I like some of the multiboards and can tell you the places to find the best deals on them, but saint has asked us not to, so I don't.

And, finally, as Malenko points out, there is no double-standard in the rules.

There may seem be a double-standard with individual members, but that is entirely different.

[Mental]

The ArcadeSD board is 100% legal and vastly superior to the older 60in1 boards stolen and copied by the Chinese.

[CheffoJeffo]

The ArcadeSD board is 100% legal and vastly superior to the older 60in1 boards stolen and copied by the Chinese.

Only to be pedantic (and to clarify for folks who may read this and don't understand the difference), and I did the same for the ArcadeShop boards, the board itself is legal. Using it with unlicensed ROMs is not (so, it is a lot like MAME).

I don't currently own an ArcadeSD board, but it seems to be great and I like that Clay seems to be continually developing for it.

 

[matsadona]

Aha, thanks for the clarification.
My understanding was that the multi boards were bashed only because they infringed the MAME rules in some way.
In terms of distributing copyrighted ROM’s I fully understand.

Funny thing that my company is classifying the Rules section as “games” and then has put it in the blocking list. I.e. I can’t reach it, but this forum is available…

What about the following scenario:
If you have a dedicated arcade cabinet, with everything intact except a faulty PCB. If you replace it with a MAME PC/multi board (of any kind) should it then be considered illegal usage of the ROM or not? It is harder and harder to find spare parts, so this scenario is very much likely to happen.
Not trying to create any troll here, I am sincerely interested in this discussion since that might be the only way to preserve these games in the future.

[CheffoJeffo]

What about the following scenario:
If you have a dedicated arcade cabinet, with everything intact except a faulty PCB. If you replace it with a MAME PC/multi board (of any kind) should it then be considered illegal usage of the ROM or not? It is harder and harder to find spare parts, so this scenario is very much likely to happen.

Good question and I don't think anybody can give you a definitive legal answer as I am sure the issue has never been tested, but this situation accounts for some of the exceptions about MAME cabs that I mentioned.

For my part, I had problems with the sound board on my Joust cocktail. No matter what I did, I just couldn't get sounds working properly. I own all of the original boards (and spares) and solved the problem by putting one of jrok's Williams Multigame boards into my Joust cocktail, playing just Joust.

Legal ? I think so (kinda like using PBJ's cocaine spoon to put sugar in your coffee).

I also have one of jrok's boards in my MultiWilliams upright.

Legal ? Not a chance, but really fun and I don't expect to hear from the authorities anytime soon.

[fascco]

The ArcadeSD board is just as legal as a cocaine spoon.  Sure, perfectly legal to sit there on the shelf, but you can't do anything legal with it.

And like a hooker. Sure, it's perfectly legal to sit there on the shelf, but it's not legal she's snorting my cocaine!

[paigeoliver]

The 60 in 1 board was apparently made by more than one factory. As in one factory made it and then another copied it. That is why some are supposed to be better than others.

The actual original sources of bootleg products like this seem to be kept fairly closely under wraps, as there tend to be multiple levels of people making huge markups on products like these. Not to mention the fact that they are technically illegal even in China. The closest you are going to get to talking to the makers is talking to a customer service agent with poor english skills at one of the exporters, whose supervisors have contact with the factory.

They have zero interest in creating a quality product or in helping you customize yours. These boards (like most Chinese goods, legit or not) are designed at the lowest possible quality because the manufacturers just don't care what you are getting, because they will never see you and their company has no good name to protect. They lump games together on these units that have such widely varying control requirements that you would need a standard frankenpanel just to play them all, but usually even then you can't, because invariably some of the control schemes, buttons schemes or games themselves will be implemented in a manner that makes them unusable (like having the audio for one game 9 times louder than everything else on the board).

The latest X in 1 board (128 in 1) actually shipped in mass quantities to America completely defective (controls only worked in a couple games, and the SD card holders were so bad that they stopped working right if bumped into).

Now with the newest board (138 in 1) they have started adding in clone versions of existing games just to bump up the game number. They don't care that half the games don't work right. All that matters is that someone buys the thing. They have been doing the same thing since the late 80s with multi-Nes carts and assorted similar products right up to the current day.

I have a Multi-Neo geo cart that has something like 40 versions of King of Fighters (only something like 10 versions in reality), but that completely missed one of the real versions. I have a 64,000 in 1 Nes system that has 32 unique titles on a supposed 64000 game list that only moves one game forward at a time. I have a 19 in 1 jamma board that didn't bother to map all the buttons on Defender and Stargate.

[Malenko]

I have a KI 1 and had a dead KI1 board, I ran KI through MAME, and since I didnt charge any one to play, I felt it was within the spirit of MAME to use it that way. I eventually got the boards fixed and BAM, that machine doesnt run MAME anymore.

However I am converting a busted Dynamo into my MAME machine and its gonna run games I dont own the PCBs for, but I plan on getting the PCBs anyway (I haz a ton of them)  I can deal with the moral implications, and if I could legally buy the rights to play roms in MAME I would.

[lilshawn]

all of those xxx in 1 boards are made by random Chinese companys. they get shut down...open up under a different name.

here today...gone tomorrow.

don't expect support.