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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #80 on: February 24, 2012, 04:24:00 pm »
Yes you're right, I think it should work now (test mk and tapper):

monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448
monitor_specs1    16000-17200, 58-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 256, 448
monitor_specs2    18300-18800, 40-58, 8.300, 2.750, 9.000, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 280, 448
monitor_specs3    18800-19000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.140, 0.191, 0.950, 0, 0, 320, 448
monitor_specs4    24000-29000, 40-80, 2.020, 2.820, 6.460, 0.890, 0.148, 1.373, 0, 0, 384, 576
monitor_specs5    30000-34000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 496, 768
monitor_specs6    34001-38000, 40-80, 1.000, 3.200, 2.200, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 600, 768

I've also fixed the 25 KHz range for paperboy, using your adjustment, let me know how it works.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2012, 01:03:08 pm »
Yup that fixed it!!!  :applaud: :cheers:

toki and cninjau are very wide and cannot be brought in with monitor settings.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2012, 07:20:21 am »
Whoops those look like old log files from when I had VMMaker setup for magic resolution/HS.

I also have been struggling with my 4890 card lately.  I have graphics artifacts periodically that occur, and sometimes windows fails to start.  I have swapped it out for a 4550 and the issues have gone for now.

I'll have to make sure everything is properly installed / configured and retest.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2012, 06:41:49 pm »
Ok... back to square one..  ;)

Still we have a fit issue with toki and caveman ninja

and on a side note... my 4890 is crap!  Its totally messed up... I had artifacts showing up at boot time and sometimes windows would not boot at all.  So i swapped it out for my 4550 and now everything is working perfectly.

Kind of ticks me off... probably the last time I buy a video card from ebay!
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2012, 06:50:23 pm »
Do these games: mslug, goldnaxe, sf2, bublbobl, snowbros

... have similar fit issues??
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2012, 06:52:36 pm »
Yes they do actually.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2012, 06:56:12 pm »
... so you need to find the right horizontal porch values for the 15 KHz range (monitor_specs0). At this point you should have learned how to do this ;)

I'll be helping anyway...  ;D
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2012, 07:02:44 pm »
... so you need to find the right horizontal porch values for the 15 KHz range (monitor_specs0). At this point you should have learned how to do this ;)

I'll be helping anyway...  ;D

Yeah I think I can do this.

The screen is horizontally perfect.  It's far off the left and right sides.

Thanks again
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2012, 07:05:38 pm »
Oh it did work before the scramble tweak.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #89 on: February 27, 2012, 08:37:21 pm »
ok... I went back and retested each of the monitor settings we used and could not get these two games to work with any of them... I must have been smoking something when I tested them before  :dizzy:


So here is the modeline as it is selected by the game:





H-Settings


V-Settings


Here is what I adjusted the V settings to get the image to correctly size:


Here is where it all landed:



Now I tweaked the monitor_specs0 line to the following:
monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-80, 3.090, 4.630, 7.720, 0.648, 0.194, 1.297, 0, 0, 248, 448

... and it didn't seem to change a thing... what did I miss?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #90 on: February 29, 2012, 02:46:24 pm »
Ok... so here is the monitor_specs0 line I configured (which had no effect)...
monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-80, 3.090, 4.630, 7.720, 0.648, 0.194, 1.297, 0, 0, 248, 448

This is what I think each of the fields mean... am I right?  Question marks mean I don't have a clue what they mean... :)
monitor_specs0    HFreq, VFreq, H-FP, H-SP, H-BP, V-FP, V-SP, V-BP, ?, ?, ?-max x lines, ?-max y lines

Thanks again

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #91 on: February 29, 2012, 03:05:37 pm »
- I'm assuming you added the line to mame.ini
- Check there's no duplicated label for monitor_specs0
- Check some log to see that your monitor_specs0 are actually read (or attach it here).

I'll be with your issue today, your latest results really puzzled me...
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #92 on: February 29, 2012, 03:16:56 pm »
- I'm assuming you added the line to mame.ini
- Check there's no duplicated label for monitor_specs0
- Check some log to see that your monitor_specs0 are actually read (or attach it here).

I'll be with your issue today, your latest results really puzzled me...

Yeah... I'm pretty sure I added it and I FORGOT to post the logs... i did see it in there.  But... you never know with me  ::)

I'll double check this evening.
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« Reply #93 on: February 29, 2012, 05:26:46 pm »
There are several odd things in your report:

- You said "So here is the modeline as it is selected by the game:" so I understand you copied the full modeline data produced by GM into Arcade_OSD's 256x224@60 video mode and then took the photos. The odd bit is that the modeline shows hfreq = 15.243 even if we limited hfreq by means of monitor_specs0 to a minimum of 15.625, so something is wrong here. It would help if at this point you add the same monitor_specs into vmmaker.ini to recalculate the resolutions and reboot. That will produce modelines that are already closer to the ones calculated by GM.

- Instead of editing the horizontal porches in order to correct horizontal amplitude so the picture fits the screen (as I suggested), you tried the seemingly wrong idea of tweaking the vertical porches instead, but contrary to the logic *it did work*. Considering that horizontal timings among both modes are almost the same, that jump in horizontal geometry can't only be explained if your monitor is somewhat "correcting" the horizontal amplitude by itself based on hfreq.

So, make sure you adjust the right modeline in Arcade_OSD, this should be in the range of 15.6 - 15.7 KHz if the monitor_specs0 line is being considered. Then get the horizontal porches for it. Keeping inside that hfreq range (15.6-15.7) should ensure these porch values will still be valid when used by GM, as it'll be calculating within those ranges. Let the vertical values alone by now (keep the ones we had before: 0.190, 0.191, 1.018).

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #94 on: February 29, 2012, 09:24:05 pm »
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There are several odd things in your report:

- You said "So here is the modeline as it is selected by the game:" so I understand you copied the full modeline data produced by GM into Arcade_OSD's 256x224@60 video mode and then took the photos. The odd bit is that the modeline shows hfreq = 15.243 even if we limited hfreq by means of monitor_specs0 to a minimum of 15.625, so something is wrong here. It would help if at this point you add the same monitor_specs into vmmaker.ini to recalculate the resolutions and reboot. That will produce modelines that are already closer to the ones calculated by GM.

Ok. I updated VMMaker.ini with monitor_spec entries.  I tried to run the VMMaker.exe and its crashing.  Please look at my .ini file to see what is wrong.

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- Instead of editing the horizontal porches in order to correct horizontal amplitude so the picture fits the screen (as I suggested), you tried the seemingly wrong idea of tweaking the vertical porches instead, but contrary to the logic *it did work*. Considering that horizontal timings among both modes are almost the same, that jump in horizontal geometry can't only be explained if your monitor is somewhat "correcting" the horizontal amplitude by itself based on hfreq.

Sorry about that... this time I adjusted only H settings and got 4.580, 4.580, 7.630

This was enough to correct the image.

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So, make sure you adjust the right modeline in Arcade_OSD, this should be in the range of 15.6 - 15.7 KHz if the monitor_specs0 line is being considered. Then get the horizontal porches for it. Keeping inside that hfreq range (15.6-15.7) should ensure these porch values will still be valid when used by GM, as it'll be calculating within those ranges. Let the vertical values alone by now (keep the ones we had before: 0.190, 0.191, 1.018).


There is no modeline within that frequency range at the desired resolution, I suspect the problem will be corrected when I get VMMaker to run.


Again, thanks sooooo much for the help.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #95 on: March 01, 2012, 05:37:55 pm »
I've attached a new VMMaker's beta that fixes the bug you were seeing. It's already setup with your monitor specs (notice that now it uses the same format as GroovyMAME).
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« Reply #96 on: March 01, 2012, 11:10:04 pm »
I've attached a new VMMaker's beta that fixes the bug you were seeing. It's already setup with your monitor specs (notice that now it uses the same format as GroovyMAME).


Awesome thanks!

When I first tried it, it behaved like the time I was experimenting with the Hyperspin stuff, it warped my desktop on exit of mame and ddraw was not working.

I looked into the .ini file and found these settings:

   ModeTableMethod_Custom = 0
   ModeTableMethod_XML = 2

Previous version had ModeTableMethod... looks like this has been extended.  I changed them both to 1 and re-ran VMMaker

This cleared up my problem with the funky modes and the desktop corruption as well as it works in ddraw now.

So then I re-ran the toki test... with the same results.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but reading the toki.txt log file it looks as if its choosing the following modeline:

SwitchRes: Index 5/130 modeline DALDTMCRTBCD256x224x0x60 score 98.00 matches
SwitchRes: Got Custom modeline 256x224@59.970015 - DALDTMCRTBCD256x224x0x60:
        "256x224@60" 5.760000 256 288 320 368 224 234 237 261 -HSync -VSync
SwitchRes: Setting modeline registry entry for DALDTMCRTBCD256x224x0x60
SwitchRes: Set Registry mode DALDTMCRTBCD256x224x0x60 with:
SwitchRes: (63278/63281/63278) Modeline 5.760000 256 288 320 368 224 235 238 263


When I run Arcade_OSD and select that same modeline the geometry is perfect in Arcade_OSD:







The timing numbers I had before for the H settings were not the same with this new configuration... it appears that in Arcade_OSD they are different from before.  I tried those new numbers in monitor_specs0 to see if they would make a difference and they did not.

I re-tested all the other games we've tested so far and all are working as they were with the previous version of VMMaker.



I don't want to get off topic here but initially my desktop was not filling up the full vertical of the screen... like the image is missing pixels on the top and bottom.  I believe it was set to 640x416...so I went into Arcade_OSD set the desktop to 640x480@60p and that corrected it.  

Also FWIW 800x600 doesn't appear to be a valid mode anywhere, not in Arcade_OSD nor available in windows as a desktop setting.
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« Reply #97 on: March 02, 2012, 05:18:51 pm »
Well, this is getting interesting. Now you have two modelines which just differ in two lines. They both have the exact same hfreq, but due to the different total number of lines their vfreq differs by 0.5 Hz.

The first one is the one created by VMMaker, that you've tested in Arcade_OSD and fits the screen properly.
The second one is created by GroovyMAME for toki and seems to be overscanned in the horizontal.

Modeline "256x224@60.02" 5.760000 256 288 320 368 224 234 237 261 -HSync -VSync
Modeline "256x224@59.57" 5.760000 256 288 320 368 224 235 238 263 -HSync -VSync

So, what I'd like you to test is to launch Arcade_OSD with its default 256x224@60 modeline, which should fit the screen. Then, edit the modeline, unlock vfreq and start decreasing the dotclock step by step. The vertical frequency will decrease by doing this. Now, the interesting part is to check if at a given point, the overcanned picture suddenly happens.

If this is the case, please report the value of vfreq when this happens. After that, and with the decreased vfreq still active, try to increase the horizontal porches in order to compesate for the overscan you're seeing. Then report these values too.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2012, 08:56:10 pm »
Ok... got it.

I adjusted the dotclock and it over scanned (like in game) at 59.941 Hz



Then I went to the H porch settings and these are the settings before I tweaked them:


After only a couple of increments to the H front porch setting and bingo:
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« Reply #99 on: March 07, 2012, 03:24:20 pm »
Hey Cal... did I mess something up here?  Does it make sense to you?
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« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2012, 05:11:46 pm »
Hi RetroACTIVE, sorry I'm too busy lately.

I saw your results. I'll try to explain what I think it's happening.

Your monitor seems to apply different settings depending if vfreq is lower or higher than 60 Hz. If it's below 60 Hz, normal settings produce huge overscan. If it's above 60 Hz, the results are quite reasonable. The important thing to understand is that the behavour is not linear, there's a point nearby 60 Hz were the monitor decides to jump to either one of the modes. The way to solve this will involve creating two separate monitor_specs lines to deal with each case, so we can compesate for the overscan in modes below 60 Hz by using bigger horizontal porches, etc. But we already knew that.

Fortunately, from your last test we can guess that the trigger vfreq value is somewhere between 59.941 and 59.981 Hz.

When you entered the toki values, you had a huge overscan. Then you increased horizontal porches (well done). But as the vfreq was locked, Arcade_OSD updated the dotclock in order to keep a frequency as close as the original as possible. Being this a low resolution (worse precision) and due to dotclock granularity, the closest resulting vfreq happens to be 59.981 Hz.

However, this new vfreq seems to have triggered the 60 Hz adjustments. We know this because the resulting borders are HUGE. You just increased the porches by two characters and the results are not proportional to what you did. The good thing is that now we have a good guess of where the limit is.

Now, you'll need to redo all the steps, right to the state shown on your third pic. Once you're there (59.981 Hz), unlock vfreq and start decreasing the dotclock step by step, so vfreq gets equal or below 59.941. Let me know if you find the sudden jump I'm talking about.

Check the horizontal overscan. If you need to readjust, repeat the process (lock vfreq -> increase horizontal porches -> check if we're under 59.941 otherwise unlock vfreq -> decrease dotclock, etc.) until you get a good adjustment for games under 60 Hz.



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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2012, 05:39:05 pm »
Allrighty... we'll see if I got this corect...

I have to go back and double check what I did...but here it is.

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Now, you'll need to redo all the steps, right to the state shown on your third pic. Once you're there (59.981 Hz), unlock vfreq and start decreasing the dotclock step by step, so vfreq gets equal or below 59.941. Let me know if you find the sudden jump I'm talking about.

Decreasing the vfreq didn't cause it to jump to another mode... It just immediately produced the over scan.



I went back and forth with locking vfreq and adjusting porch values and was able to get this geometry worked out pretty darn good...



Hopefully I didn't miss a critical step here.
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« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2012, 06:03:11 pm »
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Decreasing the vfreq didn't cause it to jump to another mode... It just immediately produced the over scan.

Yes, that's the jump that I meant: a sudden jump in geometry not proportional to our settings. There it is.

So, these settings in your last pic are the ones we need for resolutions below 60 Hz. Now, they're still not quite right because the hsync pulse is artificially big, it should be around 4.7 microseconds. It just works fine because HFP + HSP + HBP total time is the right one, but I'd try to redistribute the individual values to something like HFP = 7, HSP = 4, HBP = 7.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #103 on: March 13, 2012, 11:08:46 am »
Hey Cal,

I went back to try and tweak the values... its really not cooperating below 59.981Hz while I'm trying to keep the sync pulse around 4.7us

This is the closest I could get without the monitor popping into some other mode:



I need to go back and check, but generally to get it to go below 59.941Hz the best I can do is get it adjusted to the settings you see above, otherwise the image pops it into the center of the screen and the margins are really large.  Then when I try to adjust the porch values, it pops back out beyond the edges.  

I'll post more photos to show you what is going on.
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« Reply #104 on: March 13, 2012, 02:49:29 pm »
That's a perfect fit so I'd use those values. You won't get a 4.7 value for h sync pulse because you're working with a very low resolution, that's normal.

I need to go back and check, but generally to get it to go below 59.941Hz the best I can do is get it adjusted to the settings you see above, otherwise the image pops it into the center of the screen and the margins are really large.  Then when I try to adjust the porch values, it pops back out beyond the edges.  

Interesting. However, can you double check if adjusting the exact same settings you have above, but just changing the horizontal values to 7, 4, 7, makes the image pop into the center of the screen?? I'm working on the assumption that what triggers the mode change is the vfreq value, but the settings I'm suggesting should leave the vfreq alone, it's just that the picture would be a bit shifted to the left.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #105 on: March 17, 2012, 06:23:19 pm »
Finally got back to this... Here is the 7-4-7 setting, it didn't jump or do anything weird... it was just off to the left a bit:



Then, keeping the VFreq locked, I incremented the back porch settings to get the image to fit... but that moved V Horizontal freq up above 59.941Hz to 59.947Hz.  Even though it's just above the 59.941Hz, it seems the geometry here is very good and the monitor is happy :)

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #106 on: March 18, 2012, 02:50:21 pm »
Well, that makes sense now. Let's try with these settings:

monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-59.97, 7.800, 4.700, 10.600, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448
monitor_specs1    15625-15900, 60.00-80, 3.000, 4.700, 7.700, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448
monitor_specs2    16000-17200, 58-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 256, 448
monitor_specs3    18300-18800, 40-58, 8.300, 2.750, 9.000, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 280, 448
monitor_specs4    18800-19000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.140, 0.191, 0.950, 0, 0, 320, 448
monitor_specs5    24000-29000, 40-80, 2.020, 2.820, 6.460, 0.890, 0.148, 1.373, 0, 0, 384, 576
monitor_specs6    30000-34000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 496, 768
monitor_specs7    34001-38000, 40-80, 1.000, 3.200, 2.200, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 600, 768

Now the 15 Khz range is divided in two ranges depending on vfreq, the limit is 59.97 Hz, let's see how it works.

Try toki, snowbros, bublblobl (< 60 Hz)

Then try goldnaxe (60 Hz)

« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 02:51:54 pm by Calamity »
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #107 on: March 18, 2012, 08:04:15 pm »
Got it!

They all look great now!!!!... goldnaxe has large margins with geometry like http://home.comcast.net/~retro-active1/pwpimages/256x224-modeline-h-porches-after.JPG but it looks absolutely fine.   I don't have the logs for it... but I don't think its a problem.  Besides I think I have been through this enough with you and have learned a lot through osmosis :)

I think this captures most if not all of the modes perfectly for this monitor!!!  I think we are done with this  :applaud:  :notworthy:  :cheers:

As far as the desktop... I can't seem to select 800x600 or 640x480 properly anymore. In windows setting there is a 641x480 and a 1024x1024 setting?  When I ran VMMaker with the D9800 monitor setting I could set to 640x480 and 800x600.

Thanks again... this is totally awesome!
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #108 on: March 23, 2012, 09:16:12 am »
Hi RetroACTIVE, it's good that it works...

Try modifying the limits slightly until you reach the point where each game goes to its right settings:

monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-59.96, 7.800, 4.700, 10.600, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448
monitor_specs1    15625-15900, 59.98-80, 3.000, 4.700, 7.700, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448

Again... try toki, snowbros, bublblobl (< 60 Hz) ; then goldnaxe (60 Hz)

Paste here your ModeList.txt and Modeline.txt files so I can see why you're missing those desktop modes.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #109 on: March 23, 2012, 11:37:10 am »
Hi RetroACTIVE, it's good that it works...

Try modifying the limits slightly until you reach the point where each game goes to its right settings:

monitor_specs0    15625-15900, 40-59.96, 7.800, 4.700, 10.600, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448
monitor_specs1    15625-15900, 59.98-80, 3.000, 4.700, 7.700, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 248, 448

Again... try toki, snowbros, bublblobl (< 60 Hz) ; then goldnaxe (60 Hz)

Paste here your ModeList.txt and Modeline.txt files so I can see why you're missing those desktop modes.


You are a perfectionist!  I'll definitely go back tweak those values and post the mode .txt files.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #110 on: March 23, 2012, 08:16:03 pm »
I had a chance to try the updated monitor_specs... goldnaxe is still the same.

I've attached a log for that and ModeList.txt and Modeline.txt files.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #111 on: March 25, 2012, 11:01:21 am »
Just post here a log of a random game that produces a blank screen, by doing this:

groovymame.exe romname -v -md 4 >romname.txt

I'll have a look at it before we go any further. When you have your system up and running we'll start with the monitor specs.

I posted in another thread and just saw this.  Since this is the monitor I have, I figured its better posted here...

The issue is Tempest.  ATI HD4650.


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« Reply #112 on: April 04, 2012, 07:21:44 pm »
Hey Cal... I've been busy and haven't had a chance to get back to this... Did you get a chance to look at my attachments?

Thanks :)
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #113 on: April 08, 2012, 02:47:16 pm »
Hey Cal... I've been busy and haven't had a chance to get back to this... Did you get a chance to look at my attachments?

Thanks :)

Hi RetroACTIVE, yes I looked at your results. My conclusion is that the monitor_specs are already fine, but I need to fix GroovyMAME's modeline scoring system. If you have a look at your log, the right modeline is actually calculated in range 2, but GM is still picking the one from range 1 because it doesn't notice the second one is any better. That needs to get fixed.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #114 on: April 08, 2012, 04:54:14 pm »

Hi RetroACTIVE, yes I looked at your results. My conclusion is that the monitor_specs are already fine, but I need to fix GroovyMAME's modeline scoring system. If you have a look at your log, the right modeline is actually calculated in range 2, but GM is still picking the one from range 1 because it doesn't notice the second one is any better. That needs to get fixed.

Ok cool thanks :cheers:
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #115 on: April 09, 2012, 02:38:23 pm »
Hey Cal... I've been busy and haven't had a chance to get back to this... Did you get a chance to look at my attachments?

Thanks :)

Hi RetroACTIVE, yes I looked at your results. My conclusion is that the monitor_specs are already fine, but I need to fix GroovyMAME's modeline scoring system. If you have a look at your log, the right modeline is actually calculated in range 2, but GM is still picking the one from range 1 because it doesn't notice the second one is any better. That needs to get fixed.


Any idea if this is the same issue with Tempest and other 640x480 games?

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« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2012, 02:52:09 pm »
Any idea if this is the same issue with Tempest and other 640x480 games?

No, it's a completely unrelated issue.
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« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2012, 05:19:08 pm »

Hi RetroACTIVE, yes I looked at your results. My conclusion is that the monitor_specs are already fine, but I need to fix GroovyMAME's modeline scoring system. If you have a look at your log, the right modeline is actually calculated in range 2, but GM is still picking the one from range 1 because it doesn't notice the second one is any better. That needs to get fixed.

Ok cool thanks :cheers:

I'm picking this back up... I need to update my copy of groovymame and get my brain around where I left off.
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« Reply #118 on: September 24, 2012, 09:04:18 pm »
Allrighty... downloaded latest copy of VMMaker and groovy...

Re-ran my tests with new my old monitor settings (previous tests).  Created a new mame.ini and the good news is, it is behaving exactly the same.

tempest is still a blank screen and toki, snowbros, bublblobl (< 60 Hz) still have the geometry issue (goes beyond the left and right edges) games like goldenaxe (60Hz) are fine.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2012, 07:51:09 am »
That's good RetroACTIVE,

I'm *right now* in the process of coding the new patch that should fix, among other things, the issue mentioned here:

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Hi RetroACTIVE, yes I looked at your results. My conclusion is that the monitor_specs are already fine, but I need to fix GroovyMAME's modeline scoring system. If you have a look at your log, the right modeline is actually calculated in range 2, but GM is still picking the one from range 1 because it doesn't notice the second one is any better. That needs to get fixed.

It will take me one ore two weeks at least, please be patient  :)
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