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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #160 on: October 14, 2014, 12:42:31 am »
Below are the current presets I'm working from along with the ini's attached.

crt_range1    15625-16240, 50-65, 3.000, 4.700, 7.700, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 192, 248, 0, 0
crt_range2    16029-17200, 50-65, 1.220, 4.728, 7.626, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 249, 256, 0, 0
crt_range3    18300-18800, 50-65, 8.300, 2.750, 9.000, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 257, 280, 0, 0
crt_range4    18448-31000, 50-65, 6.278, 2.058, 7.410, 0.799, 0.828, .876, 0, 0, 281, 360, 0, 0
crt_range5    24000-29000, 58-65, 1.163, 3.595, 1.798, 0.081, 0.162, 0.889, 0, 0, 376, 384, 0, 0
crt_range6    24000-29000, 57-65, 1.549, 2.820, 6.502, 0.225, 0.150, 2.021, 0, 0, 392, 400, 0, 0
crt_range7    30000-34000, 58-65, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 432, 496, 0, 0
crt_range8    33001-38000, 58-65, 0.942, 3.062, 2.827, 0.471, 0.118, 0.972, 0, 0, 512, 588, 0, 0

You're going to want to find a game that uses each of the presets below and adjust the display. Finding a game that uses each preset and entering the modeline info in ArcadeOSD would be the most thorough as you can see all edges. You may be able to get away with just loading each game and adjusting though probably not as reliable. A game for each preset below to get started.

1 - ninjakd2
2 - mpatrol
3 - tigerh
4 - bowlrama
5 - twinhawk
6 - gwar
7 - ddp2
8 - fnkyfish 

When I have more time I'll  give a more complete description of what i've done along with instructions. This should be good to get you started though.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #161 on: October 14, 2014, 11:32:48 pm »
Hi 8BitMonk please forgive me if I come across as a total noob. I need to enable super resolutions?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #162 on: October 15, 2014, 12:01:27 am »
Hey AMD, yep grab the latest driver, vmmaker and arcade osd files and you'll notice inside the vmmaker_arcade_osd_1.4 folder is a file named ReslList - super.txt with instructions at the top of it for enabling super resolutions.

One other note, in my ResList.txt file I included the 800x600 desktop resolution in addition to 640x480 and some others for consoles. Attached for reference.

*Also I noticed 2560x496 is listed twice which I think is a mistake in the original file. It doesn't hurt anyting but when you run vmmaker it will tell you there was a dupe.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #163 on: October 15, 2014, 12:04:51 am »
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Hey AMD, yep grab the latest driver, vmmaker and arcade osd files and you'll notice inside the vmmaker_arcade_osd_1.4 folder is a file named ReslList - super.txt with instructions at the top of it for enabling super resolutions

Thanks 8Bit I've got them installed. Easy enough. Now every game seems to run in a super resolution. Is this normal?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #164 on: October 15, 2014, 08:30:08 am »
Yep, that's what you want.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #165 on: October 15, 2014, 12:01:29 pm »
Man I am sorry for the questions. I hope someone here can answer this one. It seems so simple, but I can't find the answer anywhere.  :-[

I don't understand where in Mame.ini to change the following settings:

resolution 2560x0
cleanstretch 2

I see cleanstretch as a setting that is under Core Switchres. Currently it is set to 0.
Do I simply add these lines somewhere? If so which heading?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #166 on: October 15, 2014, 12:11:40 pm »
Totally confused
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #167 on: October 15, 2014, 12:41:45 pm »
I see cleanstretch as a setting that is under Core Switchres. Currently it is set to 0.
Do I simply add these lines somewhere? If so which heading?

Simply edit the value that is "0" by default in mame.ini with a "2". The -resolution option is set as "resolution auto" by default, just search it through the file and replace "auto" with "2560x0".
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #168 on: October 15, 2014, 01:01:54 pm »
Thanks Calamity!

For the resolution it is located under
OSD PER-WINDOW VIDEO OPTIONS?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #169 on: October 15, 2014, 03:30:26 pm »
Should be the only part of the mame.ini that says 'resolution auto', search for 'resolution auto'.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #170 on: October 16, 2014, 10:54:23 pm »
Hi 8bit, thanks again for your help and  patience! I am trying to use ArcadeOSD to adjust the settings used by groovymame as you suggested. I am a bit lost. I understand how to make a video log and have the modeline settings for say ninjakd2. How do I get ArcadeOSD to display the modeline for this game exactly as groovymame? I even tried to edit the modeline.txt to reflect, but arcadeosd doesnt seem  the new modeline. Thanks again for your help!
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #171 on: October 17, 2014, 03:58:55 am »
Hi AMDman,

Look in the log file for the game to get the modeline it's setting, should look something like this:

2560x256_60 15.65KHz 54.71Hz" 52.07 2560 2664 2912 3328 256 262 265 286   -hsync -vsync

Jot down those numbers or paste them into notepad then open up ArcadeOSD and then open the apporpriate resolution. Ie. in the example above it is 2560x256. After opening it go to Edit Modeline and you should see a screen like this:



Make sure the Vfreq is set to unlock and then use the arrows to change the numbers to match the modeline you jotted down. Press enter or 1 and you should see them applied and the geometry should match how you were seeing it when you launched the game.

Now use the Betsone OSD to adjust the positioning, pincussion etc. Note that if you exit out of ArcadeOSD you will have to enter these again when you come back in unless you save them. If you save edits to a modeline in ArcadeOSD I'm not sure how (or if) you can restore the default modeline values. Saving them in ArcadeOSD has no effect (as far as I can tell) on the actual resolutions being set by groovymame, it's merely for looking at different resolutions and modeline adjustments.

You could also adjust just by running various games but the OSD tool is more reliable since you can see a square with all the edges and a pattern. As you adjust it's important to note that certain games will share adjustments based on their horizontal and vertical refresh rates. You'll find if you adjust say a horizontal game too far that shares a Betson OSD setting with a vertical game, the vertical game may go off the screen so it's a matter of finding a happy medium. Luckily so far, even accounting for this, I haven't had a lot of blank space around games and have been pleasantly surprised at how much space (especially the vertical games) take up.

I'm trying to map all this out for my final notes as well as a better testing procedure, maybe even provide the final Betson OSD settings for the different scenarios.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #172 on: October 17, 2014, 04:19:20 am »
Nice instructions :)
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #173 on: October 17, 2014, 04:41:44 am »
Yes, nice instructions. I'll just show you a shortcut:

Look in the log file for the game to get the modeline it's setting, should look something like this:

2560x256_60 15.65KHz 54.71Hz" 52.07 2560 2664 2912 3328 256 262 265 286   -hsync -vsync

When you exit GM, the last modeline that's been used is in the clipboard. So simply open notepad and press CTRL+V.
I guess the next feature that should be added to Arcade OSD is to grab the modeline directly from the clipboard, and place it back in there after it's been edited.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #174 on: October 17, 2014, 12:44:49 pm »
Thanks, that's a fantastic shortcut! Digging through the logs is a pain.

Once you've modified a modeline in ArcadeOSD is there a way to revert it back to whatever the default non-edited version was? I guess there's no great need to go back other than if you want to see where you started from. 
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #175 on: October 19, 2014, 12:14:01 pm »
8bit thanks for dumbing it down a bit for me. I finally have my Betson dialed in to a happy medium. I have noticed that for two games in your test list I need to have horizontal sizing set to max in order for the game to feel "close" to normal size.
They are tigerh and bowlrama. Do you find this as well?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #176 on: October 19, 2014, 10:47:05 pm »
Hi AMD,

Glad you're getting dialed in and things are progessing.

Yes, I've noticed some of the vertical games (including tigerh) can be a little narrow. Unfortunately  they share Betson OSD settings with some other horizontal games so you don't really want to change the width to be max or the others will go off the edges. I'm cataloging which monitor settings affect each other so at least I can tell what affects what and I'll share what I've got when I'm done.

You can always temporarily adjust the Betson OSD when you play though this is a pita and not ideal. A custom modeline is probably the best way to go for situations like this. Have to decide how many are worth creating and what to live with as they take time.

It's normal, just the nature of the beast in trying to have a single monitor perfectly accomodate so many different games. You end up either spending hours tweaking or making concessions.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #177 on: October 22, 2014, 07:07:50 pm »
I would like to send a big shoutout to 8BitMonk. I posted here well over a year ago trying to get settings for this monitor that apparently is rather rare in the groovymame community and he has stepped up big time and made great strides. I have been out of mame game for awhile now and trying to get back in. Glad to see Calamity still putting out quality stuff. We're getting closer and closer to becoming part of the presets!  :applaud: Kudos to you guys!  :notworthy:
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« Reply #178 on: December 02, 2014, 04:27:43 pm »
Thanks Timply. Been busy lately but I've finally had time to complete some further testing.

I don't think the presets were the issue all along and in fact I've gone back to using the D9400/9800 presets, more explanation below.

A couple important things to know (if you don't already) about these monitors:

  • There is a 'factory mode' for making OSD adjustments, you enter this mode by holding down the up key on keypad when powering up the monitor, the menu will be pink instead of blue. In this mode you can make more drastic geometry adjustments as well as access adjustments not available in the regular mode such as voltage and linearity adjustments. The settings in this mode are what are used when you hit the 'Recall' button in the regular mode, they are defaults. Before I started I calibrated my monitor at 800x600 using a monitor calibration tool while in factory mode, I would suggest this as a good start point.
  • The Betson Imperial is a digital trisync meaning that is can store various geometry setting, ie. they are not universally shared by all games. I've mapped what resolutions are shared and found 14 primary unique OSD groups, see the PDF link below.

So as I was going through and testing it baffled me that monitors like the D9400/9800 and the Betson should have such drastically different preset values since they're basically the same monitor. After the newest release of groovymame came out that fixed mistakenly selecting the wrong presets I reverted back to the D9400/9800 settings, mapped out the groups that share the same geometry settings and then attempted to see if all of the visual corrections could be made using the geometry controls and not mess with changing presets.

The end result was that everything worked for me using the D9400/9800 presets and then making OSD adjustments for each group.

Below is a link to my mapping PDF that shows each group that I found. I'm not exactly sure of the determining factor for each group, it's not something as simple as 'all games with a horizontal frequecy of x', it appears to be a combination of the H/V frequencies. Maybe after looking at my PDF Calamity will be able to identify the exact determining factor.

Download Betson OSD Groups PDF

In the upper right are my OSD settings, the top row are my initial settings in case I needed to go back and the one underneath shows adjustments I made. On the left under the OSD Group letter is a list of 12 boxes where I wrote the H/V frequecies contained in the group and down below under each game I've put a number in parenthesis after the game show corresponds.

Sounds confusing but it's pretty straightforward once you take a look at it. Feel free to ask questions. Basically here's what I'd do to get dialed in:

  • Put the monitor in factory mode and calibrate at 800x600
  • Put the monitor back in regular mode
  • Be sure you have the newest version of GM and CRTEmu drivers
  • Be sure you're using the D9400/D9800 presets in your mame.ini with the minor adjustment I made (below).
  • Using my OSD Groups PDF go through games in each group and make geometry adjustments that best accomodate the games. Don't try to go all the way to the edge, most games will have a little space. Test a good number of horizontal and vertical games in that group. Know that any adjustments you make within a group affect any other games that fall in that group.

Betson 9400/9800 preset with minor edit. Had to lower range 0 to 192 and range 1 280 to include certain games:
      crt_range0  15250-18000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
      crt_range1  18001-19000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.140, 0.191, 0.950, 0, 0, 280, 320, 0, 0
      crt_range2  20501-29000, 40-80, 2.910, 3.000, 4.440, 0.451, 0.164, 1.048, 0, 0, 320, 384, 0, 0
      crt_range3  29001-32000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.318, 0.064, 1.048, 0, 0, 384, 480, 0, 0
      crt_range4  32001-34000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 480, 576, 0, 0
      crt_range5  34001-38000, 40-80, 1.000, 3.200, 2.200, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 576, 600, 0, 0

Anyone testing let me know how it works for you, everything is looking really good on mine. I think the problem up until this point has been things like groovymame not picking the right resolution, people having over adjusted the OSD dramatically in various groups without knowing the correlation etc. and not the presets.

Edit: Updated the minor edit to the D9400/9800, range0 low was supposed to be 192 and not 190
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #179 on: December 03, 2014, 07:54:28 am »
What an awesome work you have done, 8BitMonk. My sincere congratulations.

I'm puzzled about the determining factor for the different groups. Because there must be one for sure. I guess I'll need to dig in the actual modelines in use.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2014, 03:46:41 pm »
Thanks Calamity. I'm a bit puzzled on the common factor as well. I can see some commonality within groups but not enough to describe an exact rule. I also wonder if the groups are similar on other trisyncs like the WG 9400/9800. I was recently able to purchase a 9400 and will test it when I have some more time.

Luckily for those just trying to get their Betson to work well with groovymame it isn't absolutely necessary to know the 'why' of each group as long as they know what the basic groups are and a range of games that fall in them.

If anyone comes across a game that doesn't fall into one of these groups please post back. I tested a lot of games and think most (if not all) are covered by what I've mapped out but since I didn't test every single game it's possible there are some oddballs that aren't within a group.

I'm also working on a couple custom modelines specifically for the 448x224 Cave games that are very narrow/vertical and looked a little stretched to me that I'll post when complete.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2014, 09:56:22 pm »
So, far I have been very pleased with the settings that 8BitMonk has contributed. My Betson is dialed in for the most part and my games look amazing!! Best I have seen them in since owning my Betson. Easily 6-7 years.
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« Reply #182 on: December 05, 2014, 03:42:38 pm »
Good to hear it AMD. Are you using my old presets or the D9400/9800 presets and adjusting each groups geometry?
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2015, 08:46:14 pm »
Hey 8bit sorry it's taken a bit to get back to you. Yes, I am still using your old presets and I had used Arcade OSD to tweak the monitor to the games you had listed. I briefly tried your newest ones and the results were not as good, but that's because I've currently got it working and didn't feel up to the challenge of re-working the Betson. In your post you stated that
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groovymame came out that fixed mistakenly selecting the wrong presets
Which version had this error? I am running GM 155. Thanks
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« Reply #184 on: January 03, 2015, 06:57:52 am »
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groovymame came out that fixed mistakenly selecting the wrong presets
Which version had this error? I am running GM 155. Thanks

Version 0.155 is where this problem got fixed (Switchres 0.015c):

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- Finally proper support for "super" resolutions (Windows & Linux):
    - Fix for modeline scoring to properly select the best available "super" resolution.
    - Fix for blank UI due to wrong scaling when in rotated mode and using "super" resolutions.
    - Fix for vector games that didn't show when using "super" resolutions.


You'll need to follow 8BitMonk's instructions regarding Betson's OSD adjustments in order to take advantage of his presets.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #185 on: January 19, 2015, 08:53:21 pm »
Last night, I decided to take the plunge and start 8bit's latest calibration. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I struggled to make the 800x600 screen look perfect.
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Before I started I calibrated my monitor at 800x600 using a monitor calibration tool while in factory mode

What type of calibration tool did you use? A simple grid?

Thanks for all the work you have put into this. I plan to follow your lead
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2015, 01:08:25 am »
Hey AMD,

I use the EIZO free monitor test utility or there's another free one just called Monitor tester. The old Nokia one is still around too but it doesn't work with Win 7 64. You won't get things perfect by any means, these monitors are notorious for having a little bending in the corners. Give yourself a little room around the edges. 

Make sure you're using the Wells presets, In your last post you mentioned using my presets from this thread and I have abandoned those. I  don't think the porches etc. differ enough from the Wells to be worth messing with and the problems were mostly due to not understanding how the Betsons group display settings and adjusting accordingly.

After calibrating at 800x600, set the Wells presets in the groovymame Mame.ini file and then with my PDF document launch the games listed on each sheet and adjust the onscreen display. I found the quickest way to do this is straight from the command line because after running a game you can just hit the up arrow and retype another rom name in the prompt, rinse and repeat. Again I'd avoid going all the way up to the edge at first. You're going to find horizontal and vertical games in each category and since they're sharing the display settings over adjusting one game may push another one off screen. It's a bit tedious, may take an hour or more but my list includes most heavy hitters in each category so once adjusted it should be pretty dialed in.

You might want to note the settings you end up with for each group, mine are in the upper right, yours won't necessarily match. I included blank pages to print and use. Knowing what your settings are for each group allows you to reference them. If you come across a game that doesn't look right you can pull up the OSD and look at the values and find what group it falls in, what other games are within it, and how much that might allow you to adjust.

Hope that helps, good luck.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2015, 10:35:02 pm »
Thanks for the clarification 8Bit. It certainly helps.  Okay great I have something called Test Grid and I know I have the Nokia one, so I should be good to go.

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Make sure you're using the Wells presets
So,  I need to delete my presets in GroovyMame's .ini and change the Monitor type from "Custom" to D9800?
I am assuming that since I choose the D9800 as the preset within VMmaker that the driver is already optimized for the D9800. Then I should be good to go?
 Or,  I see you slightly tweaked yours.
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Betson 9400/9800 preset with minor edit. Had to lower range 0 to 192 and range 1 280 to include certain games:
      crt_range0  15250-18000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
      crt_range1  18001-19000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.140, 0.191, 0.950, 0, 0, 280, 320, 0, 0
      crt_range2  20501-29000, 40-80, 2.910, 3.000, 4.440, 0.451, 0.164, 1.048, 0, 0, 320, 384, 0, 0
      crt_range3  29001-32000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.318, 0.064, 1.048, 0, 0, 384, 480, 0, 0
      crt_range4  32001-34000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 480, 576, 0, 0
      crt_range5  34001-38000, 40-80, 1.000, 3.200, 2.200, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 576, 600, 0, 0

Should I leave Monitor Type as Custom and add those?
Thanks for your help! I should have some time tomorrow to get started on this. I will report back. Hopefully not bombard you with too many more questions. :laugh:

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #188 on: January 21, 2015, 01:38:33 am »
Should I leave Monitor Type as Custom and add those?

Yep, exactly right, I forgot I had lowered a couple so you'll want to adjust the D9800 values and set to Custom.

Another tip is to tape down the little adjuster board to the top of your CP with temporary tape like masking tape or painters tape. It's way easier than having to constantly pick it up and have it falling off the side as you go through and adjust.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2015, 06:23:38 pm »
After much tweaking I went back to using 8bit's old presets. Both the D9800 setting and the minor tweak by 8bit cause lots of what I call "slithering" with vertical games. Its when a portion of the screen sort of twitches. I find using 8bits older presets that this problem is almost completely gone with most vertical games. If I knew more about tweaking the presets I would probably have to customize my own. Seems these monitors are finicky. No two are the same. I will say that going into the defaults and adjusting at 800x600 has helped with the overall geometry.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #190 on: February 05, 2015, 11:48:39 am »
Hey AMD,

I experienced this on my monitor as well, not sure what causes it, it's almost a rippling effect through a portion of the screen. It's not as noticable when playing but very noticable on the title screen and especially if it goes through lettering. I found that I could eliminate it for most games by playing with the geometry, ie. slightly moving the screen left or right or slightly reducing the vertical or horizontal sizing.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #191 on: January 29, 2016, 11:48:38 pm »
Resurrecting and old topic here, since I'm also looking to get my presets squared away for my 27" Betson Multisync monitor.  Why start a new topic right?

A quick backstory:
At one point I had it running "good enough" on version .150 of GroovyMame.  However, my hard drive took a dump last year and I'm finally getting it set up again.
I updated to .169 and (of course) the day after I copy everything, version .170 comes out.  So, I'm sticking to .169 for my sanity.

I'm having trouble getting VMMaker to select the proper modes for my Betson.  It won't let me select 800 x 600 @ 60Hz for my desktop.

Any have a copy of their VMMaker.ini and  ReslList.txt, etc with the proper settings?

I can't for the life of me remember what I did last time and my ini files are gone with the hard drive crash.

Thanks in advance all!

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #192 on: January 30, 2016, 04:55:04 am »
You should consider using VMMaker 2.0 (even if you stick with old drivers). This way you can simply copy and paste current GroovyMAME crt_ranges, no need for separate configurations any more.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #193 on: January 30, 2016, 04:52:01 pm »
You should consider using VMMaker 2.0 (even if you stick with old drivers). This way you can simply copy and paste current GroovyMAME crt_ranges, no need for separate configurations any more.
I think that's what I have?  File is dated December 2015.  I'm using all the latest EmuDrivers, etc.  Good to hear that moving forward I can simply copy and past the current ranges.

Was hoping someone can point me in the right direction for the best Betson GroovyMAME crt_ranges to date.

I know I've echoed others here and said it before but thanks for doing all this Calamity.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #194 on: February 01, 2016, 09:16:20 pm »
Just re-read the above and I didn't realize that the 2.0 version was released this year (January 2016).

So I'm in the process of starting with a clean slate and grabbing the 2.0 beta.

Any suggestions on what I should start with for presets?  Should I start with generic, D9800 or custom?

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« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2016, 06:16:42 am »
In VMMaker 2.0 settings dialog, go to the monitor settings tab and click on "Edit monitor presets". That'll open monitor.ini in Notepad. Just past the following somewhere, preferably at the top of the file:

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monitor "kt-2914", "Betson-Kortek KT-2914", "4:3"
crt_range0  15250-18000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
crt_range1  18001-19000, 40-80, 2.187, 4.688, 6.719, 0.140, 0.191, 0.950, 0, 0, 280, 320, 0, 0
crt_range2  20501-29000, 40-80, 2.910, 3.000, 4.440, 0.451, 0.164, 1.048, 0, 0, 320, 384, 0, 0
crt_range3  29001-32000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.318, 0.064, 1.048, 0, 0, 384, 480, 0, 0
crt_range4  32001-34000, 40-80, 0.636, 3.813, 1.906, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 480, 576, 0, 0
crt_range5  34001-38000, 40-80, 1.000, 3.200, 2.200, 0.020, 0.106, 0.607, 0, 0, 576, 600, 0, 0

I've copied those presets from 8BitMonk's post. Now save the file and close. Your new preset will be available in the monitor preset drop-down.

Now go to the MAME tab and browse for your GroovyMAME directory, then check "Export monitor settings to GroovyMAME". This way, VMMaker will synchronize its settings with GroovyMAME without any extra effort on your part.

Now generate the modes, install them, etc.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2016, 09:21:19 am »
I'll give that a shot tonight, Calamity.  Thanks!

Last night didn't go so well.  I opened up my machine, installed the driver and was struggling with the new driver creating multiple monitors and focusing on the wrong one.  I ended up connecting two monitors at the same time so that I can see my main desktop.

I haven't seen this before.  Is this normal behavior?  I got so frustrated after 2 hours of trying to fix it that I just left everything out, turned off the lights and went to bed.  It's not like me to just quit.

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« Reply #197 on: February 02, 2016, 11:08:29 am »
That's the new forced monitor detection feature. It fixes monitor detection issues that have been such a big problem till now, but introduces this unusual behaviour that you need to learn how to deal with. Two monitors are required during the setup stage. Follow the guide. It does work. Just keep in mind you may see your desktop behave in a somewhat different way if you're not starting from a fresh Windows installation, because Windows remembers previous configurations and causes seamingly random behaviour. But once you learn the basics rules you will find your way through it.

This odd behaviour only applies to Ati legacy cards (pre-HD 5000). HD 5000 and newer cards are much easier to setup with CRT Emudriver 2.0.
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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2016, 07:48:11 pm »
Yeah, I have the exact one you had (legacy) so I'm good to go.  I feel I messed with it so much last night that I know how to steer through it by now.  Glad to hear that the dual monitor thing is normal.  I got this.

Thanks again and I'll report back here once I get it going.

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Re: Trying to create monitor presets for KT-2914 (Betson-Kortek) MultiSync
« Reply #199 on: February 02, 2016, 08:59:07 pm »
OK, I added the above but it's not popping up on the drop down list.

I'm doing more research now, but I recall seeing something about changing a few things so that it's compatible with the new versions moving forward.

[Edit:  Can't seem to find it.  I recall it have some before and after values shown and what exact syntax need to be used for the new version.  Anyone?]


[Edit 2:  Got it to appear!  It was a formatting issue when cutting and pasting the values.  I'll work on this tonight and report back tomorrow]
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