Van Halen 2012 tour (and album)

[TopJimmyCooks]

Don't miss out.  Quite possibly the last Hurrah tour outing for Eddie, Alex and Dave, unless they go on Rolling Stones-style triple overtime. 

http://www.vhnd.com/2011/12/26/van-halen-tour-in-2012-tickets-on-sale-jan-10th/

Red blooded, American *ock rock of a type that's not currently being produced.

[Ginsu Victim]

Wow, that trailer was terrible.

I can't find the tour dates anywhere. The first few links I clicked through Google turned up nadda. I'd love to see them with Dave, considering 1984 was the last VH album I cared anything about.

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

[Turvey]

Wonder if there will be a UK tour?

[HaRuMaN]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

[Mikezilla]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

[HaRuMaN]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

Pffft, please.  No one is near as overrated as U2.

[Hoopz]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

Pffft, please.  No one is near as overrated as U2.

Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Amy Whinehouse...

[yotsuya]

Time for a "<Your favorite indie band>/<Your favorite mainstream artist> sucks" pileon, I see.

[wp34]

Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Amy Whinehouse...

I tell my kids that if I want to hear Lady Gaga I'll listen to Madonna.

Not sure about the VH Tour but I'll buy the CD.

[Mikezilla]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

Pffft, please.  No one is near as overrated as U2.

Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Amy Whinehouse...

Whoa whoa WHOA. Michael Jackson is NOT overrated! Lady Gaga is Madonna, so that doesnt count. With you on Amy Whinehouse though...

[TopJimmyCooks]

I can't find the tour dates anywhere.

I think dates are coming out this week. 

Wonder if there will be a UK tour?

Maybe if it goes over big in the US, but I don't think it will.  They would be billing it as a "world tour"  I hate to say it but they've already gone to the nostalgia tour paradigm, but I don't think it will be big on the scale of ACDC or Maiden/Somewhere in Time.  I'm not sure they have that cross generational appeal like some of those groups seem to maintain.  Dave will add mass appeal although I really liked and still like the Sammy era.   

Even if they promote the new album i'll be happy with the tour, it's 50/50 for me new material or hitz. 

Not sure about the VH Tour but I'll buy the CD.

Opposite here.  I'm gritting my teeth a little at the thought of the new record after VH III and Balance.  of course I'll buy it but time and extreme wealth/comfort/shoe licensing deals have not been kind to Eddie's keen writing and playing edge.  The tour now, face it, these guys can blow.  Dave's got 95% of the pipes he had, amazingly, and Eddie's got 95% of the chops.  He's really got a 100% of the chops, but i'm holding back 5% because his knees don't bend anymore.  Compare that to Robert Plant at 40% remaining pipes, although it's unfair because he's a good bit older. 

Gaga, Madonna et al are different artists who deserve a different discussion.  Somewhere else.   

[J_K_M_A_N]

I think I will be going to this concert if it comes here. I was a HUGE VH fan back in high school. I liked some Sammy. 5150 was a pretty good album I thought. I have always wanted to see them with Diamond Dave though. Cannot wait.

J_K_M_A_N

[CCM]

I've never seen them live, with or without Dave.  I will definitely go if they come to Pittsburgh.   I just bought my Joe Bonamassa tickets today!   I saw him last year, it was an incredible show!

[yotsuya]

I saw them a few years ago when they ditched Michael Anthony and toured with Eddie's son Wolfgang.

[Howard_Casto]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

Pffft, please.  No one is near as overrated as U2.

Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Amy Whinehouse...

Whoa whoa WHOA. Michael Jackson is NOT overrated! Lady Gaga is Madonna, so that doesnt count. With you on Amy Whinehouse though...

+1 on Mr. Jackson. 

Doh't misunderstand, he quickly degraded into insanity and obscurity BUT in the 80's he pretty much invented pop, the "dancing concert" and the music video.  And most of his earlier stuff was pretty awesome as well.  Of course the bad side to that is that he invented the "dancing concert" and pop music... meaning he's indirectly responsible for all the backstreet kids on the block boys and the britney christinia swifts. 

[JMB]

Whoa whoa WHOA. Michael Jackson is NOT overrated! Lady Gaga is Madonna, so that doesnt count. With you on Amy Whinehouse though...

+1 on Mr. Jackson. 

Doh't misunderstand, he quickly degraded into insanity and obscurity BUT in the 80's he pretty much invented pop, the "dancing concert" and the music video.  And most of his earlier stuff was pretty awesome as well.  Of course the bad side to that is that he invented the "dancing concert" and pop music... meaning he's indirectly responsible for all the backstreet kids on the block boys and the britney christinia swifts. 

The fact that he molested children makes all of this irrelevant IMO.

ON TOPIC - It will be interesting to see if the cash grab factor outweighs the fact that they couldn't get along. I would not be the least bit surprised to see this tour blow up at some point before it finishes or possibly even starts.

[wp34]

Opposite here.  I'm gritting my teeth a little at the thought of the new record after VH III and Balance.  of course I'll buy it but time and extreme wealth/comfort/shoe licensing deals have not been kind to Eddie's keen writing and playing edge.  The tour now, face it, these guys can blow.  Dave's got 95% of the pipes he had, amazingly, and Eddie's got 95% of the chops.  He's really got a 100% of the chops, but i'm holding back 5% because his knees don't bend anymore.  Compare that to Robert Plant at 40% remaining pipes, although it's unfair because he's a good bit older.   

I thought "Me Wise Magic" David Lee did with VH back in '96 was as good or better than almost any of the Van Hagar songs.  I'm a big Hagar fan and loved Chickenfoot so I'm not bashing Sammy.  There is just something special about Roth with Eddie and I'm real hopeful the CD is great.  I am a little concerned Michael Anthony's background vocals will be missed.  Dude could hit some high notes.

[yotsuya]

Opposite here.  I'm gritting my teeth a little at the thought of the new record after VH III and Balance.  of course I'll buy it but time and extreme wealth/comfort/shoe licensing deals have not been kind to Eddie's keen writing and playing edge.  The tour now, face it, these guys can blow.  Dave's got 95% of the pipes he had, amazingly, and Eddie's got 95% of the chops.  He's really got a 100% of the chops, but i'm holding back 5% because his knees don't bend anymore.  Compare that to Robert Plant at 40% remaining pipes, although it's unfair because he's a good bit older.   

I thought "Me Wise Magic" David Lee did with VH back in '96 was as good or better than almost any of the Van Hagar songs.  I'm a big Hagar fan and loved Chickenfoot so I'm not bashing Sammy.  There is just something special about Roth with Eddie and I'm real hopeful the CD is great.  I am a little concerned Michael Anthony's background vocals will be missed.  Dude could hit some high notes.

Me Wise Magic was a great song. Dave jumped the gun on that 'reunion', though. It took another 10 years for it to actually happen.

[Ginsu Victim]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

This will be my third time (2009, 2010 previously). Probably going to be a similar setlist again, but I don't care. I love their live shows.

[amendonz]

Oh well, I can only afford one show right now and just picked up tickets for Tool in Dallas on the 21st.

Nice.  I saw Tool back in 2002...  so awesome.

We touched on this before, but I had to put in my two cents again.... Tool is almost as overrated as U2. 

i see your 2 massively overrated bands and raise with Nirvana

[TopJimmyCooks]

Still no dates - surprise!

first choice assuming outdoor venue - Raleigh.
second choice - Charlotte
3rd choice - screw it!

[yotsuya]

Well, the rub with Van Halen is that Eddie's done nothing interesting for 25+ years.  Couldn't give half a damn about either singer.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I saw ZZ Top and Santana in 2011 but Billy Gibbons is still out there being nuts and Santana played for over two hours.  I passed on Joe Bonamassa, and that was probably a mistake, but I don't care for cover bands even if they're better than the original artist ever dreamed of being (and Joe's voice and original material stinks).

Also saw what remains of Styx in 2011, but that cost me $10.  That's about my Van Halen interest level.

 

I'd love to see ZZ Top.

[Howard_Casto]

Whoa whoa WHOA. Michael Jackson is NOT overrated! Lady Gaga is Madonna, so that doesnt count. With you on Amy Whinehouse though...

+1 on Mr. Jackson. 

Doh't misunderstand, he quickly degraded into insanity and obscurity BUT in the 80's he pretty much invented pop, the "dancing concert" and the music video.  And most of his earlier stuff was pretty awesome as well.  Of course the bad side to that is that he invented the "dancing concert" and pop music... meaning he's indirectly responsible for all the backstreet kids on the block boys and the britney christinia swifts. 

The fact that he molested children makes all of this irrelevant IMO.

ON TOPIC - It will be interesting to see if the cash grab factor outweighs the fact that they couldn't get along. I would not be the least bit surprised to see this tour blow up at some point before it finishes or possibly even starts.

Well first off, no, not it does not.  Oj Simpsom is a murderer, or at the very least civially liable for murder, but he was a hell of a football player and was damn good in those lethal weapon movies.  Now I don't want to ever see the son of a ---smurfette--- again, but back in the day... he was pretty awesome. 

Secondly MJ didn't molest children.  He was never convicted of anything.  To top it all off, shortly after his death some of the familes that accused him of molestation released statments saying that it was all a ploy for money.  I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  He wasn't a molester, he was ape-crap crazy.  Because of said craziness he had no concept of how to behave around children, getting him into seemingly inappropriate situations.

Of course we'll never know for sure, but last time I checked we live in America and around these parts you have to be proven guilty of something before people have the right condemn you. 

[yotsuya]

I'd love to see ZZ Top.

It's worth it once... they're a bunch of old ---daisies--- but you forget how MTV was basically them and Duran Duran in the early 80s, so there's a lot of prop and stage show stuff going on.  I tend to like their 70s stuff which was kinda underrepresented, but they did do a ~10 minute medley at the end that covered most of them. 

 

Awesome. I grew up on the 80s stuff (I don't care who you are, listening to 'Sharp Dressed Man' before going out is a +10 ego-booster for any guy), but I recently picked up a 2 Disc Greatest Hits set that has a lot of early stuff and fell in love with 'Tush', 'La Grange', and all the other 70s stuff.

[shmokes]

around these parts you have to be proven guilty of something before people the government has the right [to] condemn you.  

Fixt  

Seriously, though, I kind of lean toward innocent. Stupid. Incredibly naive. Reckless. Strange and unhealthy obsession with children. But not a child molester. But, like you said, who knows?

[Hoopz]

OJ was in Naked Gun, Danny Glover was in Lethal Weapon.

[wp34]

I got to see ZZ Top on the Eliminator tour.  They were awesome.  But now I much prefer their pre-Eliminator work.  Their very first "Best Of CD" is an absolute classic.

[JMB]

The fact that he molested children makes all of this irrelevant IMO.

ON TOPIC - It will be interesting to see if the cash grab factor outweighs the fact that they couldn't get along. I would not be the least bit surprised to see this tour blow up at some point before it finishes or possibly even starts.

Well first off, no, not it does not.  Oj Simpsom is a murderer, or at the very least civially liable for murder, but he was a hell of a football player and was damn good in those lethal weapon movies.  Now I don't want to ever see the son of a ---smurfette--- again, but back in the day... he was pretty awesome. 

Secondly MJ didn't molest children.  He was never convicted of anything.  To top it all off, shortly after his death some of the familes that accused him of molestation released statments saying that it was all a ploy for money.  I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  He wasn't a molester, he was ape-crap crazy.  Because of said craziness he had no concept of how to behave around children, getting him into seemingly inappropriate situations.

Of course we'll never know for sure, but last time I checked we live in America and around these parts you have to be proven guilty of something before people have the right condemn you. 

Like I said. IMO. To me he was guilty. You are doing the exact same thing with your OJ reference. OJ was not proven guilty. Civil liability is not the same thing.  Trust me, I think OJ was guilty as sin, but he was not proven so. Michael Jackson reached an out of court settlement in 1993 on molestation allegations. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of innocence.

[shmokes]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of innocence.

Nor is it anything like a tacit admission of guilt. Come on . . . you think Kobe Bryant raped that girl? That one is just cut and dried obvious innocence, and he settled out of court. You think a person with a bajillion dollars ought to put his faith in the justice system when he can end it all by signing a check? What would you do? What if your lawyer put your odds at 75% chance of winning? What if your case was so good that he said 90% chance of winning? You have a bajillion dollars and you're going to risk your career (not to mention risk living multiple years of your life in a cage) on those odds? I mean, they're good odds. But the stakes are pretty ---smurfing--- high. Imagine what a conviction for child molestation or rape would do to your life. To your career. Imagine what long-term incarceration in a prison would do to you.

Juries are unpredictable. Of course you settle something like that if you can.

[Hoopz]

I've always thought Robin Williams was just as creepy as Michael Jackson.

And Kobe didn't do it?  That huge rock he bought his wife (soon to be ex) was a telltale sign that at least something happened that shouldn't have. 

And MJ went to play baseball because Stern was sick of his gambling problems not because he was tired of basketball.  All sorts of rumors and speculation when only a few (couple of?) people know the truth.

I'd bet good money on Robin Williams being a pedophile though.

[JMB]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of innocence.

Nor is it anything like a tacit admission of guilt. Come on . . . you think Kobe Bryant raped that girl? That one is just cut and dried obvious innocence, and he settled out of court. You think a person with a bajillion dollars ought to put his faith in the justice system when he can end it all by signing a check? What would you do? What if your lawyer put your odds at 75% chance of winning? What if your case was so good that he said 90% chance of winning? You have a bajillion dollars and you're going to risk your career (not to mention risk living multiple years of your life in a cage) on those odds? I mean, they're good odds. But the stakes are pretty ---smurfing--- high. Imagine what a conviction for child molestation or rape would do to your life. To your career. Imagine what long-term incarceration in a prison would do to you.

Juries are unpredictable. Of course you settle something like that if you can.

Do you think drunk moron Roethlisberger didn't rape, or at minimum sexually assault, that girl? Was he charged? It goes both ways. In all of these cases something is going on. I know money comes into play in all these cases but there are plenty of rich and famous people out there not being charged with rape or child molestation. These people don't get to the point of having to settle out of court by being completely innocent.

[shmokes]

These people don't get to the point of having to settle out of court by being completely innocent.

Obviously (sometimes). Michael Jackson was hanging out with children and pretending to be one himself. Kobe Bryant was ---smurfing--- waitresses while on the road. But understand that having money can itself be the thing that leads them to this point. If I'm out of town on business and I decide to cheat on my wife, it's A LOT less likely that the girl I sleep with is going to be inclined to make a bogus claim that I raped her. Because all that can happen is that I go to jail. And that gets her nothing. You see that. The mere fact that these people are in a position to settle out of court for millions of dollars makes them targets for bogus claims.

I'm not saying that Michael Jackson or Kobe Bryant are innocent (though Kobe Bryant is innocent), I'm saying that I think they are. And I'm saying that the evidence that has convinced you of their guilt is stupid. It points to their innocence every bit as much as it points to their guilt.

I don't know anything about Roethlisberger. I don't know how it's relevant. Obviously I believe that rape does happen. Roethlisberger can be a rapist if you want. I just don't think Michael Jackson or Kobe Bryant are rapists.

[CCM]

What happened to the thread about Van Halen, and concerts

You people are ridiculous....   

[shmokes]

Not half as ridiculous as Van Halen's music.   

[CCM]

Not half as ridiculous as Van Halen's music.   

At least that comment is on topic for a change...

[Dervacumen]

Always wished I did, but never saw them with Dave but did see them 4-5 times with Sammy.  I'm skipping this one though, unless someone buys me a ticket against my wishes and I have to go with the crowd.  The last time I saw them Eddie was so wasted he just looked at the speaker and strummed a couple of chords during his big solo, for like 5 minutes.  His back was to the audience the whole time.  I wonder what band is going to be the first to tour with at least one member in a wheelchair?  I'm just sayin' - you know it's inevitable.  Maybe it's already happened.

[wp34]

New York Times article on the reunion and "review" of their recent 1-hour club set.  I love how the reviewer keeps calling Dave "Mr. Roth".

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/arts/music/van-halen-plays-mini-gig-at-cafe-wha-review.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

[TopJimmyCooks]

February
18th – Louisville, KY
20th – Auburn Hills, MI
22nd – Indianapolis, IN
24th – Chicago, IL
28th – New York, NY
March
1st – New York, NY
3rd – Uncasville, CT
5th – Philadelphia, PA
9th – Buffalo, NY
11th – Boston, MA
15th – Montreal, QC
17th – Toronto, ON
21st – Ottawa, ON
24th – Atlantic City, NJ
28th – Washington, DC
April
1st – Rosemont, IL
10th – Sunrise, FL
12th – Tampa, FL
14rh – Orlando, FL
16th – Jacksonville, FL
19th – Atlanta, GA
21st – Greensboro, NC
25th – Charlotte, NC
27th – Nashville, TN
May
1st – Tulsa, OK
5th – Tacoma, WA
7th – Vancouver, BC
9th – Calgary, AB
11th – Edmonton, AB
17th – Winnipeg, MB
19th – St. Paul, MN
22nd – Kansas City, MO
24th – Denver, CO
27th – Las Vegas, NV
June
1st – Los Angeles, CA
3rd – Oakland, CA
5th – San Jose, CA
12th – Anaheim, CA
14th – San Diego, CA
16th – Phoenix, AZ
20th – Dallas, TX
22nd – San Antonio, TX
24th – Houston, TX
26th – New Orleans, LA

[Mikezilla]

Good one PBJ, 35 bucks!?! 

[Hoopz]

$10 that they don't end up doing all those cities.  Odds are pretty good that someone leaves the band, gets sick, herniates a disc, or ______ to cause the tour to end.