This looks handy

[jimmy2x2x]

[shrunkenmaster]

That's excellent - have you seen any UK suppliers?

[jimmy2x2x]

Nothing yet, please post if you see any

[TopJimmyCooks]

Hey, its a bandsaw emulator!

Interesting but you're going to run into a lot of size/capacity of cut limitations if you are trying to build a cab. 

[shrunkenmaster]

True. I think I'd use it for general woodworking, plus smaller projects. I have my 'man' tools for larger cuts.

[BobA]

Looks like a handy attachment for some smaller cuts.   Depends on the cost I guess.   It is only a frame and a couple of bearings.

I think the video is great for showing why a regular jigsaw does not follow lines well. 

[DaOld Man]

This is a good idea. I wonder if you can get longer blades for a jigsaw? Looks like this device would take up quite a bit of the length of the blade, which will limit the thickness it can cut.

That guy gets his fingers awfully close to the moving blade, probably not a good example to set for beginners.

[jimmy2x2x]

This is a good idea. I wonder if you can get longer blades for a jigsaw? Looks like this device would take up quite a bit of the length of the blade, which will limit the thickness it can cut.

That guy gets his fingers awfully close to the moving blade, probably not a good example to set for beginners.

I think the vid shows a 40mm cut at 1:36, bad form with fingers so close to blade.

[The Lumberjackass]

to give the guy some credit, its a good idea. but overall i dont think it'll sell very well.
i for one, wouldnt have the need for such an add-on, unless i started to make scale models.
i do however own a scroll-saw and bandsaw, so i have no need for this jigsaw attachment,
but this product may suit someone who has neither.
and note how badly the jigsaw cuts without the blade guide.
so you'll understand when i hear guys saying they'll use a jigsaw to cut out wood, it just makes me shudder.

[jimmy2x2x]

For anyone who is in the UK and interested, you can order direct from the supplier:

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[Necro]

If this is decently cheap (over a scroll saw) might be useful for smaller cuts...I'd be interested.

[BobA]

At 129 Euro plus shipping I think a bench top bandsaw would be cheaper.  

Edit: I guess this is for the delux kit but it still seems like alot.

[jimmy2x2x]

At 129 Euro plus shipping I think a bench top bandsaw would be cheaper. 

Can a bandsaw offer all the cuts shown in the above video?

[The Lumberjackass]

once a bandsaw is set-up correctly, it can do all of those cuts in the video, and alot more. and personally, i'd feel safer using a bandsaw.
but thats me.

[shrunkenmaster]

Thanks for the shipping info Jimmy.

I would love a bandsaw but as my workspace is very limited, this would come in handy.

[Wildfire]

was wondering if they sell this in the US i was looking around on the site and a few other and can find nothing about it. this would be a nice little add on since i don't have much room for a bandsaw

[Necro]

$129 EURO?  Bwhahahahaha...no...really.  Not a chance.  There are relatively small scroll saws that should be able to do everything this does and be compact as well for the same or less.

[EvilNuff]

I wouldn't bother with this at almost any price.  Jigsaws are not precise instruments, even with guides like this you just won't get clean accurate cuts.  Get a scrollsaw if you want something like this...or just buy a tabletop bandsaw.

[jimmy2x2x]

I wouldn't bother with this at almost any price.  Jigsaws are not precise instruments, even with guides like this you just won't get clean accurate cuts.  Get a scrollsaw if you want something like this...or just buy a tabletop bandsaw.

Do you think the video is not truly representing the product here?

Those cuts looks very accurate to me, even down the full length of a door.

[Xiaou2]

Years ago I had a similar idea, where as the typical jigsaw wasnt accurate (plus blades always broke), and a scroll saw wasnt robust enough.  That if you used a larger blade attached to a jigsaw in a scrollsaw configuration, you could make a pretty awesome cutting machine.

 The thought drifted to using those demo-saw blades that are like 7" long and 1/2" deep.   Then later, about using a hacksaw blade.  But eventually, I found the joys of the Japanese Flush-Cut hand saws...

 Ohh man, they cut through most materials like a hot knife through butter.  Imagine one of those blades on a giant machine...

 Then this came along:

 

 Which is quite awesome, even for being human powered.  Its accurate beyond belief... and its quieter than a dog drinking water.  heh


 I did eventually get a metal cutting bandsaw from HF, and I do love the thing, but it doesnt have a nice accurate squared alignment system.  Nor would it do half or what is done by that flush-cut machine.   But it does cut thru metal like butter.  Ive cut thru thick large diameter pipes that would have taken an hour using a grinder.....in mere minutes w/ the metal cutting bandsaw.  Angle iron cuts in mere seconds.

[EvilNuff]

Do you think the video is not truly representing the product here?

Those cuts looks very accurate to me, even down the full length of a door.

I am highly skeptical, but it doesn't really matter whether the video is a good representation or not.  According to their website it costs $55 euros (plus the jigsaw).  Also you'll have probably 2" at most cut depth.  So it quite literally would be cheaper to buy a 9 or 10" band saw for $120 or so and get a higher quality cut with more cut depth.  (Note the inch designation of a band saw isn't the maximum cut width but the distance from the neck to the blade.)

Jointmaker Pro's are amazing but also priced accordingly.   Retail is over $1,300 for it so significantly different from the $70 or $80 (+jigsaw) link that started this thread.

[Xiaou2]

No reason to be skeptical, IMOP.  The reason a jigsaw fails, is because the blade is only supported on one end, so it can easily flex.   But by putting the other end between 2 or 3 bearings, its perfectly stable and cant wander anywhere.

 In fact, a bandsaw at its largest opening has more chance of flex because the band is so thin... where as typical jigsaw blades are like 3x as thick.

 Realistically, its much safer to use a jigsaw than a bandsaw.  Bandsaws are usually ran at much higher speeds, with much sharper blades, and the band itself can snap and fly out of the machine. The bandsaws can really drag your body parts or clothing right down into the machine.  A jigsaw has very limited travel, so you dont have to worry as much.

 That said, the price of the thing, and the simplicity... well, it does not seem like it would be all that difficult to make yourself.  If it was a $25 addition, Im sure it could sell very well.  But not +$80, even if it is decently accurate.

 $1300?! ugg.  Forget it.  Flushcut saw with a miter box.  heh

[TopJimmyCooks]

@X2:
A bandsaw is categorically safer than a jigsaw.  Any bench tool where the cutting apparatus is fixed and the work comes to it is better than a device that takes the cutter to the work. A tablesaw and drill press are safer than a circular saw or a power drill.
Real world example:  pinballjim just drilled a hole in his jeans while using his lap as a workbench. Try doing that with a drill press.  Also,  any reciprocating cut tool adds another layer of danger and complexity.  Work safely, Y'all.

[EvilNuff]

Tablesaw is the exception, it is IMO the most dangerous tool in a workshop flat out. 

[Xiaou2]

Sorry, but I dont agree.

 I feel extremely safe handling a jigsaw.  My tablesaw?  Not so.  I respect that beast, and even then... Ive had some close calls.  Pieces getting caught up, and flying across the room at mach 5. Some pieces slamming into my gut, like getting hit with a sledge hammer.

 In shop class, we were hearing all kinds of gruesome stories.  One was about a 1" deep bandsaw blade that snapped and flew out of the machine.  Not good!

 Drilling a hole, on your lap, is just pure idiocy and shows absolute lack of thought, common sense, and awareness. Its called table and clamps.

 If your drill wrenched out of your hands, you can let it go. The drill cord might rip, but thats way better than if the drill simply would not stop.  For example, a drill press where material broke free of the clamp, spins at warp speed, smashing into the base, and pieces flying all over the room at high velocity.

 Most power tools have a safe system where you Must hold down a button to keep the tool active, And even when you lock it down, its pretty easy to just let go and still be safe.  They are less powerful, and work at lower speeds.

 High speed tools are the most dangerous. A jigsaw is infinitely more safe than a circular saw or bandsaw.  And a reciprocating motion is much easier to escape than a linear one.  Pieces dont fly across the room when using a jigsaw, even when binding up. It cant suck you down into the mechanism. Nor catch or rip off a digit in the blink of an eye.

 Funny enough, I thought a circular saw was the scariest tool to operate... but after a bunch of cuts, it was nothing compared to the stuff thats happened with the tablesaw.  So long as you dont try to operate your circular saw like a tablesaw, its pretty safe.

 The scariest 'hand' tool that Ive used to date is a router.  I feel its much more dangerous, and way easier to lose control of, than something like a circular saw.

[EvilNuff]

Get one with a riving knife xiaou2, it eliminates the vast majority of kickback.  Its IMO worth it to buy a new saw just for that.

[TopJimmyCooks]

X2: I respect your opinion but I'm talking facts.  I agree the most important safety tool is your brain and confidence levels are important to safety.  You've got that basic idea right. 

However, which types of tools are safer for operators are facts documented by OSHA, industry associations and others, and I'm prepared to cite my sources.

Way more accidents w/injury per capita by circular saws than tablesaws.    same for handheld router vs/table router or shaper, drill press and band saw v/s jigsaw. 

I am an unlimited license general contractor and past risk management officer and I deal with this every day.  I stand ready to submit to your greater knowledge of Kung fu, arcades, monitors, pinball art techniques and many other areas, however this is my wheelhouse and I know of what I speak. 

Thanks.

[spoot]

It amazes me how many people run TS without splitter or featherboards.    Or using their legs as a table to set down their circular saw.....that cover doesn't always slide back.

[TopJimmyCooks]

Those are definitely contributors to power tool accidents.  As I alluded to earlier, Pinball jim drilled his pants doing the lap bench recently, glad he avoided hurting himself. 

I am surprised by all the UK people still using workmates - the little black and decker folding worktop slash clamp thing.  I never was able to do anything with them except knock my work over, which is obviously not great if you have a tool spinning. 

[jimmy2x2x]

Guilty of the workmate only working area, I stabilize mine with a large bag of sand on the lower supports!

No space to build a real work area

[EvilNuff]

...Way more accidents w/injury per capita by circular saws than tablesaws.    same for handheld router vs/table router or shaper, drill press and band saw v/s jigsaw.  ...

Here's a quote from Fine Woodworking, from their booklet "The Small Shop":

“By far and away, the tablesaw is involved in more serious hand injuries than any other woodworking tool or machine. It was responsible for 42% of all the injuries reported, followed by the jointer at 18%, the radial-arm saw at 7%, and the bandsaw at 6%. Although several other power tools – the shaper, chainsaw and circular saw, for instance – seem more hazardous, all figured in fewer accidents than even the hand chisel, which accounted for 4% of the total.”

Hand Chisel accounts for more injuries than the circular saw...

[TopJimmyCooks]

...Way more accidents w/injury per capita by circular saws than tablesaws.    same for handheld router vs/table router or shaper, drill press and band saw v/s jigsaw.  ...

Here's a quote from Fine Woodworking, from their booklet "The Small Shop":

Hand Chisel accounts for more injuries than the circular saw...

Hand tools are a bit outside the previous discussion of handheld power tools v/s bench power tools, but I agree there are more injuries from hand tools by far.  Fortunately, and importantly, these tend to require first aid or stitches rather than being a lost time injury as with power tools. 

[Vigo]

A couple more sources for info:

According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission 2003 study, the Table Saw has more injuries by far by volume, but the circular saw has had more people hospitalized and deaths related to it's use. I guess lopped finger vs lopped neck sort of stuff. Hand tools accounted for more injuries than both combined.

According to OSHA, the power tool that results in the most ER visits is the chainsaw, with 39,000 per year. The second worst is the air/power nailer with 37,000. The Table saw is 29,000 per year, and the circular saw has only 10,600 per year. Again, they state that the circular saw kills more.


So I guess in summary, tablesaws = evil, but at least less fatal. Otherwise hand held power tools are more dangerous, and your injuries are probably gonna be more severe. Hand tools are the silent killer....think twice about safety next time you pull out your hammer.

[AceTKK]

 

Wow, what a cool piece of equipment!