Author Topic: GroovyMame for arcade monitors version 0.146u4_013f (Read 200196 times)

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #200 on:** June 15, 2011, 02:43:09 pm »

-md 4 option only seems to work with the "_o" build for me (which selects different resolutions from 142, but not the correct ones)

here are the logs.

Bombjack http://pastebin.com/FBSnTmWb
DigDug http://pastebin.com/SkpzFvPy
Btime2 http://pastebin.com/vpewG2r1

Thanks

EDIT: I am running a vertical TV connected via a homemade VGA to SCART cable if this makes a difference.

iano · « **Reply #201 on:** June 15, 2011, 03:33:13 pm »

Hi. Is there any way i can patch mame 0.139 (windows) ?

bent98 · « **Reply #202 on:** June 15, 2011, 03:40:13 pm »

Calimity I just tried your test version and frogger does atleast size it closer to orginal botton of screen gets cut off. Also it messes up all the games like Dig Dug, pacman, Dkong. Dig Dug appears very small.

newmanfamilyvlogs · « **Reply #203 on:** June 15, 2011, 03:42:31 pm »

Probably selecting a larger resolution than it should be, so it doesn't scale properly.

Groovy mame needs it's own forum section.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #204 on:** June 15, 2011, 03:43:28 pm »

Quote from: bent98 on June 15, 2011, 03:40:13 pm

Calimity I just tried your test version and frogger does atleast size it closer to orginal botton of screen gets cut off. Also it messes up all the games like Dig Dug, pacman, Dkong. Dig Dug appears very small.

I thought this was solved for me, but I am also having the same issues as bent98.

Calamity · « **Reply #205 on:** June 15, 2011, 03:46:41 pm »

Yeah, that test version is buggy! It fixed the frogger issue but introduced another one, I was trying to repair a particular issue with my laptop and broke things... so go back to the "official" one and I'll upload a new one in an hour...

jimmy2x2x, you also need to set the right orientation of your monitor in mame.ini

Calamity · « **Reply #206 on:** June 15, 2011, 04:06:56 pm »

New groovymame32_0142.012o_test.rar uploaded that should fix the wrong resolution picking issue.

jimmy2x2x, also, in VMMaker.ini set MonitorHorizontal = 0 and run VMMaker to recalculate the modes. That will make a more efficient use of your mode table by removing the resolutions needed for rotated vertical games on horizontal monitor.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #207 on:** June 15, 2011, 04:22:50 pm »

Quote from: Calamity on June 15, 2011, 03:46:41 pm

jimmy2x2x, you also need to set the right orientation of your monitor in mame.ini

Which line do I need to change exactly?

EDIT: my current mame.ini http://pastebin.com/sq6V3AkG

EDIT2: Changed the MonitorHorizontal = 0, ran VMMaker and rebooted - still the same.

looks like the latest test version is still picking wrong resolutions for the 3 test games
bombjack log http://pastebin.com/9CPMryV1

EDIT3: Looks like the new test version somehow breaks 'Scramble' the map is corrupt at the start of the first level

Thanks for looking into this Calamity

Calamity · « **Reply #208 on:** June 15, 2011, 04:41:36 pm »

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 15, 2011, 04:22:50 pm

Which line do I need to change exactly?

Thanks

EDIT: my current mame.ini http://pastebin.com/sq6V3AkG

EDIT2: Changed the MonitorHorizontal = 0, ran VMMaker and rebooted - still the same.

looks like the latest test version is still picking wrong resolutions for the 3 test games
bombjack log http://pastebin.com/9CPMryV1

That mame.ini is not GroovyMame's!

Create the right one by running groovymame -cc from command line. Then edit this line:

monitor_orientation horizontal

... set it to vertical.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #209 on:** June 15, 2011, 05:03:40 pm »

Quote from: Calamity on June 15, 2011, 04:41:36 pm

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 15, 2011, 04:22:50 pm

Which line do I need to change exactly?

Thanks

EDIT: my current mame.ini http://pastebin.com/sq6V3AkG

EDIT2: Changed the MonitorHorizontal = 0, ran VMMaker and rebooted - still the same.

looks like the latest test version is still picking wrong resolutions for the 3 test games
bombjack log http://pastebin.com/9CPMryV1

That mame.ini is not GroovyMame's!
Create the right one by running groovymame -cc from command line. Then edit this line:

monitor_orientation horizontal

... set it to vertical.

Sorry about that (got confused testing various versions), the test version resolution switching is now perfect as far as I can see - Thanks

Scramble still has corrupted map in the test version
Frogger seems to be clipped at the bottom
Galaxian seems to be running about half speed
Gunsmoke has its screen shifted down, black bar at the top and clipped at the bottom (might be a problem with stock 142, not certain)

Calamity · « **Reply #210 on:** June 15, 2011, 05:17:31 pm »

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 15, 2011, 05:03:40 pm

Scramble still has corrupted map in the test version
Frogger seems to be clipped at the bottom
Galaxian seems to be running about half speed
Gunsmoke has its screen shifted down, black bar at the top and clipped at the bottom (might be a problem with stock 142, not certain)

At this point it would be interesting to test this against the "official" 142.012o here: http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/0142/, to see if those issues where there before or have been introduced by me.

I'm implementing a brand new blitting thread in that test version, it works perfectly here, but needs more testing. Also it might crash with d3d + games that switch resolutions. It can be disabled by setting multithreading to 0.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #211 on:** June 15, 2011, 05:30:05 pm »

Quote from: Calamity on June 15, 2011, 05:17:31 pm

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 15, 2011, 05:03:40 pm
Scramble still has corrupted map in the test version
Frogger seems to be clipped at the bottom
Galaxian seems to be running about half speed
Gunsmoke has its screen shifted down, black bar at the top and clipped at the bottom (might be a problem with stock 142, not certain)

At this point it would be interesting to test this against the "official" 142.012o here: http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/0142/, to see if those issues where there before or have been introduced by me.

I'm implementing a brand new blitting thread in that test version, it works perfectly here, but needs more testing. Also it might crash with d3d + games that switch resolutions. It can be disabled by setting multithreading to 0.

Grabbed the "official" 142.012o
deleted mame.ini, created new one

frogger doesnt appear to have resolution fix in this version, cant test clipped because of this
gunsmoke is the same, black bar at top of playfield, clipped at bottom
scramble map is not corrupt in this build
galaxian runs at the correct speed

bent98 · « **Reply #212 on:** June 15, 2011, 06:20:46 pm »

I am not at home to test but if it doesnt work for you it wont work for me

Calamity · « **Reply #213 on:** June 15, 2011, 06:29:36 pm »

Yes, I'm now seeing the same issues with Galaxian's speed and Scramble maps. It's due to the last fix I did, if removed they're gone, but we have the 768 wide resolution thing back. I don't ever play these games so I didn't notice the problems till now.

Frogger looks perfect here anyway.
Will see what can be done, thanks for testing!

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #214 on:** June 15, 2011, 07:03:31 pm »

Cool, hope you find a solution!

out of interest, what resolution does frogger run in for you?

bent98 · « **Reply #215 on:** June 15, 2011, 07:42:49 pm »

Look foward to a solution. Thanks for your hard work.

Gray_Area · « **Reply #216 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:30:53 pm »

Nvidia card drivers afford the ability for custom resolutions, that I think goes beyond the '32 mode limit', which may be one reason AdvMAME works with them. Have you explored this?

Calamity · « **Reply #217 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:22:46 pm »

I've uploaded a new test version (groovymame32_0142.012o_test.rar), this one should finally fix the galaxian and scramble issues, at least at first sight, don't know if there are more hidden side effects or other games related to these that still have issues.

Quote from: Gray_Area on June 16, 2011, 02:30:53 pm

Nvidia card drivers afford the ability for custom resolutions, that I think goes beyond the '32 mode limit', which may be one reason AdvMAME works with them. Have you explored this?

The 32 mode limit for nVidia cards is not something that I've tested myself, but that read in the great documentation on different video cards made by Sailorsat for the German site.

Indeed, I've got an nVidia in this laptop and have defined about 100 modes using Powerstrip, that after all has to use the driver resources to make them available, so it seems likely that the driver itself let us define that amount of modes. But... the problem is that, like with Ati cards, there are two registry keys used for defining a video mode, first one is just the xres,yres,vfreq thing, second one is where you actually define the custom timings. The problem is that the driver can't read more than 32 of these second registry keys, so you can have many video modes but probably can't define a custom timing for more than 32 of them...

bent98 · « **Reply #218 on:** June 16, 2011, 09:17:25 pm »

When we test these new versions do we need to re run vm maker to generalte new mode lines or just download and rune the groovymame.exe?

Just curious as I want to make sure I test correctly.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #219 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:09:23 am »

Still not correct here.

new mame.ini generated http://pastebin.com/TFV0jpz1
changed 3 things:
monitor_orientation vertical
disable_nagscreen_patch 0
disable_loading_patch 0

No game specific .ini files are present

Galaxian http://pastebin.com/dAMEQDcv
seems perfect

Moon Cresta http://pastebin.com/NGdd5xby / Frogger http://pastebin.com/seGPubE0
have a large black bar at the top of the playfield and are clipped at the bottom of the playfield

Scramble http://pastebin.com/vY9zDYiK
is not vsyncing and has screen tearing

then I ran Vmmaker with this .ini http://pastebin.com/JqJkHQtD
producing this output http://pastebin.com/Am7NqJe8
and reset the pc, results are the same as above.

Would be interested in bent98's results, if you wouldnt mind testing?

Thanks for taking time out to try and resolve this Calamity

Calamity · « **Reply #220 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:51:29 am »

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 17, 2011, 05:09:23 am

Moon Cresta http://pastebin.com/NGdd5xby / Frogger http://pastebin.com/seGPubE0
have a large black bar at the top of the playfield and are clipped at the bottom of the playfield

I'm seeing that the random blit size issue persists for these games:

DirectDraw: Mode selected = 256x 224@ 60Hz
DirectDraw: primary surface created: 256x224x32 (R=00FF0000 G=0000FF00 B=000000FF)
DirectDraw: New blit size = 319x472
DirectDraw: blit surface created: 319x472x32 (R=00FF0000 G=0000FF00 B=000000FF)

DirectDraw: Mode selected = 256x 224@ 60Hz
DirectDraw: primary surface created: 256x224x32 (R=00FF0000 G=0000FF00 B=000000FF)
DirectDraw: New blit size = 308x493
DirectDraw: blit surface created: 308x493x32 (R=00FF0000 G=0000FF00 B=000000FF)

It's strange because I haven't been able to reproduce that bug yet.

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 17, 2011, 05:09:23 am

Scramble http://pastebin.com/vY9zDYiK
is not vsyncing and has screen tearing

This is strange too. Please run dxdiag, go to the screen tab and check that both ddraw/d3d acceleration are enabled.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #221 on:** June 17, 2011, 05:55:49 am »

Calamity · « **Reply #222 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:13:09 am »

Sorry, I can't see the picture you're posted, seems I can't access to some IPs at this moment

Are those options enabled?

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #223 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:17:54 am »

Yes

DirectDraw Acceleration: Enabled
Direct3D Acceleration: Enabled
AGP Texture Acceleration: Enabled

No problems found.

I run lots of other scrolling games with groovymame, Scramble in this test build is the only one I have ever seen tearing.

Calamity · « **Reply #224 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:32:27 am »

Ok, so the problem must be somewhere else, I needed to discard that one. Later today I'll build a version that prompts more debug info, I need to trace where those random numbers come from, unfortunately I can't test that here because for some reason it won't happen in my system, but seems that both in your system and bent98's you're having similar issues. Thanks for your tests and debug info!

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #225 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:38:07 am »

No worries, please post here when you have a new version ready I'll be lurking

Sent you a donation as promised, keep up the great work!

bent98 · « **Reply #226 on:** June 17, 2011, 09:03:23 am »

Yea me two. Thanks. CAnt wait to try.

I just wish I could get Bill to finish Hyperspin 2.0

newmanfamilyvlogs · « **Reply #227 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:13:15 am »

Will HS2.0 address the modeline limit?

Calamity · « **Reply #228 on:** June 17, 2011, 12:35:08 pm »

I've uploaded a new test version, this one will prompt a lot of debug info that hopefully will help finding the bug. So run it as usual with -v -md 4 params but make sure to exit quickly, otherwise you'll get a huge log file.

Quote from: cotmm68030 on June 17, 2011, 11:13:15 am

Will HS2.0 address the modeline limit?

The author said he'd have a look at it.

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #229 on:** June 17, 2011, 02:00:56 pm »

frogger http://pastebin.com/fycDC69s

mooncrst http://pastebin.com/8Vh76nru

scramble http://pastebin.com/ndgRaQWd

Is there anything else you need Calamity?

Thanks

Calamity · « **Reply #230 on:** June 17, 2011, 02:34:47 pm »

I'm now seeing which function the issue is comming from, we're getting closer...

lettuce · « **Reply #231 on:** June 17, 2011, 02:55:06 pm »

Has anyone by change done a set of resolutions for LCD 16:9 1080p display?, as i have a media center PC under the LCD in the livining room at i would really like to put groovymame on, now i know it wont look anyway near as good as it should of a CRT screen but would be nice to have. Any ideas how low a res i could maintain on an LCD screen??

jimmy2x2x · « **Reply #232 on:** June 17, 2011, 03:08:00 pm »

Quote from: lettuce on June 17, 2011, 02:55:06 pm

Has anyone by change done a set of resolutions for LCD 16:9 1080p display?, as i have a media center PC under the LCD in the livining room at i would really like to put groovymame on, now i know it wont look anyway near as good as it should of a CRT screen but would be nice to have. Any ideas how low a res i could maintain on an LCD screen??

Wouldn't HLSL effects be better suited to an LCD?

newmanfamilyvlogs · « **Reply #233 on:** June 17, 2011, 03:20:22 pm »

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 17, 2011, 03:08:00 pm

Quote from: lettuce on June 17, 2011, 02:55:06 pm
Has anyone by change done a set of resolutions for LCD 16:9 1080p display?, as i have a media center PC under the LCD in the livining room at i would really like to put groovymame on, now i know it wont look anyway near as good as it should of a CRT screen but would be nice to have. Any ideas how low a res i could maintain on an LCD screen??

Wouldn't HLSL effects be better suited to an LCD?

Indeed. The biggest feature of groovymame is the dynamic refresh rate modification, which I'm going to assume most LCDs wouldn't handle gracefully. Likewise most LCDs are going to have some kind of internal 'upscaler' when lower than native resolutions are sent to them-- possibly even stretching them to a 16:9 ratio, which distorts the image.

You will likely want to start with a stock groovymame mame.ini, turn off the changing of resolutions and enable clean stretch. That way it will only stretch the image as much as it can without going into fractional scaling. This will keep the image crisp.

lettuce · « **Reply #234 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:30:35 pm »

Quote from: cotmm68030 on June 17, 2011, 03:20:22 pm

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 17, 2011, 03:08:00 pm
Quote from: lettuce on June 17, 2011, 02:55:06 pm
Has anyone by change done a set of resolutions for LCD 16:9 1080p display?, as i have a media center PC under the LCD in the livining room at i would really like to put groovymame on, now i know it wont look anyway near as good as it should of a CRT screen but would be nice to have. Any ideas how low a res i could maintain on an LCD screen??

Wouldn't HLSL effects be better suited to an LCD?

Indeed. The biggest feature of groovymame is the dynamic refresh rate modification, which I'm going to assume most LCDs wouldn't handle gracefully. Likewise most LCDs are going to have some kind of internal 'upscaler' when lower than native resolutions are sent to them-- possibly even stretching them to a 16:9 ratio, which distorts the image.

You will likely want to start with a stock groovymame mame.ini, turn off the changing of resolutions and enable clean stretch. That way it will only stretch the image as much as it can without going into fractional scaling. This will keep the image crisp.

What is HLSL??

newmanfamilyvlogs · « **Reply #235 on:** June 17, 2011, 08:43:38 pm »

video effects using the video card.

lettuce · « **Reply #236 on:** June 18, 2011, 05:35:53 am »

thats the thing that always got me when adding scanlines it kills the contrast/brightness of the screen

Calamity · « **Reply #237 on:** June 18, 2011, 06:19:04 am »

Quote from: jimmy2x2x on June 17, 2011, 02:00:56 pm

frogger http://pastebin.com/fycDC69s

mooncrst http://pastebin.com/8Vh76nru

scramble http://pastebin.com/ndgRaQWd

Is there anything else you need Calamity?

Thanks

I've uploaded a new test version with even more debug info. Please paste your logs (frogger will be enough by now). Hopefully this one will bring us closer the origin of the problem. Just to discard stuff, are you using up-to-date roms for these games?

bent98 · « **Reply #238 on:** June 18, 2011, 08:53:28 am »

I am using 142roms set.

Do I need to run vmmaker or just run the test version of groovymame?

bent98 · « **Reply #239 on:** June 18, 2011, 08:54:28 am »

Also

Can you tell me the exactly command line you want me to run for frogger. I forgot what switchsto add and how to dump the debug info to a text file


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