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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2011, 02:17:55 am »
Frankly even what I said about having to follow rules is a rule that can be bent.  If your movie is engaging enough you can get away with little holes.  It's more or less sleight of hand.  You get everybody's attention focused in one place so you can pull a little cheat somewhere else.  But this can only be done by masters of their craft.  Amateurs try and the audience just rolls their eyes and says, "Um . . . I saw that.  You're not fooling anyone."

Of course the Alien Invasion movie faces some obstacles because it's only interesting if it's set in our world.  But it it can be done..  Star Trek First Contact did it and, to an extent the new Star Trek reboot did it.  There's Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the Thing, the Blob.  But the safest thing is to realize that the idea really is bombastically stupid and then embrace it.  Then you can at least get things like They Live, Men in Black and Plan 9 From Outer Space.   ;D
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2011, 11:57:24 am »
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idk, it wasn't bad but wasn't good either.  District 9..  where do I even begin on that piece..  not only were the trailers so misleading and half the stuff shown wasn't even in the movie, but the whole thing was so overhyped that when I saw it I was confused and totally letdown.  Made no sense whatsoever, even when applying the human/alien logic.

You didnt like District 9? I thought it was awesome, and I totally "got it". Its a social satire based on how people were treated during Apartheid. Just fast forward into the future, and they are doing it with aliens instead of people. I thought it was a great movie, I loved the effects, actually cared about the character, and loved how the movie came full circle. The scenes with the military corporation, is exactly how I imagined something like that would happen. Loved that movie. I also enjoyed it because it started out as a short film, and the effects were amazing considering the budget. One dude did all the motion capture for all the aliens.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2011, 12:24:03 pm »
I didn't like District 9. It's just a poor remake of Alien Nation. Bad acting, bad effects and bad dialog. It's just a movie made by amateurs that has a low budget amateur feel to it. Alien Nation had the same social satire, but it was subtle. Social satire was all District 9 had. Just in case the aliens being oppressed in South Africa was to subtle they had interviews with African Americans (CNN joke) saying what the liberals think whites say about blacks.

Blacks oppression by whites will always be a hot topic for the white guilt upper middle class, which is why the artsy fartsy types loved this movie. 

I bet if it was in French with subtitles it would have won best picture.


Battle Los Angeles was an alien invasion movie where the human forces are behind in technology, but ahead in numbers and the need to survive. The social commentary takes a back seat to the action.  They even stopped potential love interests from ruining this film. The more

I think about Battle Los Angeles the more I liked it.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2011, 12:57:55 pm »
The social commentary in District 9 was pretty ham-fisted.  Like . . . they didn't trust the audience to make the appropriate associations w/r/t/ apartheid so they just set the thing in Johannesburg?  I mean, that's just beating us over the head.  The bad guys in District 9 were also two dimensional and absurdly diabolical.  I'm talking like mad-scientist, James-Bond-villain diabolical. 

Otherwise, though, it was pretty good.  And the protagonist was the antithesis of the stereotypical action hero (he was a coward, and selfish, and cruel in the beginning).  And, strangely, the same people who created the ridiculous villains managed to create a layered, complex human being for the protagonist.  And we see a totally believable and compelling transition throughout the movie as his character is developed, responding to the ---smurfy--- things that are happening to him and rethinking things that he previously took for granted by virtue of being in the comfortable position of the oppressing majority and having never engaged in any serious ethical questioning before.  Even by the end the protagonist was deeply flawed.  He still presumably lacks empathy.  The only reason he is able to consider what's happening to the aliens from their point of view is that it literally starts happening to him.  That's maybe a step in the right direction, but it's a small one.

Anyway, like I said, I haven't seen Battle L.A., but it looks just awful.  Even if I watch it and it's ten times better than I expected, it'll still not be nearly as good a film as District 9 (which itself is just pretty good, but not great).
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2011, 03:32:48 pm »
The social commentary in District 9 was pretty ham-fisted.  Like . . . they didn't trust the audience to make the appropriate associations w/r/t/ apartheid so they just set the thing in Johannesburg?  I mean, that's just beating us over the head.  The bad guys in District 9 were also two dimensional and absurdly diabolical.  I'm talking like mad-scientist, James-Bond-villain diabolical. 

Otherwise, though, it was pretty good.  And the protagonist was the antithesis of the stereotypical action hero (he was a coward, and selfish, and cruel in the beginning).  And, strangely, the same people who created the ridiculous villains managed to create a layered, complex human being for the protagonist.  And we see a totally believable and compelling transition throughout the movie as his character is developed, responding to the ---smurfy--- things that are happening to him and rethinking things that he previously took for granted by virtue of being in the comfortable position of the oppressing majority and having never engaged in any serious ethical questioning before.  Even by the end the protagonist was deeply flawed.  He still presumably lacks empathy.  The only reason he is able to consider what's happening to the aliens from their point of view is that it literally starts happening to him.  That's maybe a step in the right direction, but it's a small one.

Anyway, like I said, I haven't seen Battle L.A., but it looks just awful.  Even if I watch it and it's ten times better than I expected, it'll still not be nearly as good a film as District 9 (which itself is just pretty good, but not great).

+1 I completely agree with Shmokes on this one. Granted I havent seen Battle LA, I have been reading everything that is blacked out, because I dont think its one of those movies where the ending gets spoiled if you know it before hand. It seems like a complete cut and dry alien invasion movie. I read that two competing writers that thought they were going to rip each other off went to two different studios with similar ideas (skyline, battle LA). I havent seen either, but cmon. What do you expect to be different? Aliens come, try to wipe us out, and we win.  :blah:

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2011, 04:09:55 pm »
Alien Nation and District 9 are both the same premise, but completely different takes on the idea. I like them both, but neither are fantastic films. Alien nation is almost like a lethal weapon style movie, but toss in some recently immigrated aliens and an alien cop as partner. Meh, its worth a watch...it's stars James Caan.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2011, 04:27:09 pm »
I read that two competing writers that thought they were going to rip each other off went to two different studios with similar ideas (skyline, battle LA).

Battle LA was a big budget movie that paid a studio a lot of money to develop the graphics and editing technology to make Battle LA.

That studio then turned around and quickly cranked out Skyline and released it before Battle LA.

Battle LA was a lot better than Skyline.

Skyline is to Battle LA as District 9 is to Alien Nation.

Amateurish rip offs.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2011, 04:32:21 pm »
Alien Nation and District 9 are both the same premise, but completely different takes on the idea. I like them both, but neither are fantastic films. Alien nation is almost like a lethal weapon style movie, but toss in some recently immigrated aliens and an alien cop as partner. Meh, its worth a watch...it's stars James Caan.


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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2011, 04:47:20 pm »
Alien Nation and District 9 are both the same premise, but completely different takes on the idea. I like them both, but neither are fantastic films. Alien nation is almost like a lethal weapon style movie, but toss in some recently immigrated aliens and an alien cop as partner. Meh, its worth a watch...it's stars James Caan.


Oh its a movie? I thought it was a TV show.

It's both, it got turned into a TV show. I haven't seen much of the tv show, so I can't really comment on that.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2011, 05:15:55 pm »
The funny thing is the Alien Nation's movie ended wrapping up its story line.  District 9 was showing us so many layers of the alien and human relationships it felt more like a made for TV movie that's kicking off of tv series.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2011, 05:57:15 pm »
It's the best movie I've seen in a long time.


whoa stopped reading right here......... :dunno


battle LA gets a good 7/10 from me. horrible acting by pretty much everyone except aaron eckhart. without him it it would be 5/10, same as skyline. CGI was ok and nothing out of the ordinary.


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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2011, 12:12:43 pm »
Aliens come, try to wipe us out, and we win.  :blah:

they win one battle, but the war isn't over.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2011, 12:50:17 pm »
The social commentary in District 9 was pretty ham-fisted.  Like . . . they didn't trust the audience to make the appropriate associations w/r/t/ apartheid so they just set the thing in Johannesburg? 
It was set in Johannesburg because the writer/director was born, raised, and lived in Johannesburg.  He originally made a short film which was seen by Peter Jackson who was able to get the funding to turn it into a full movie.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2011, 01:35:18 pm »
Aliens come, try to wipe us out, and we win.  :blah:

they win one battle, but the war isn't over.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2011, 03:51:18 am »
The social commentary in District 9 was pretty ham-fisted.  Like . . . they didn't trust the audience to make the appropriate associations w/r/t/ apartheid so they just set the thing in Johannesburg? 
It was set in Johannesburg because the writer/director was born, raised, and lived in Johannesburg.  He originally made a short film which was seen by Peter Jackson who was able to get the funding to turn it into a full movie.

Lol . . . Well, that's a little bit better I'll admit.  I still seem to remember it being not very subtle in its parallels to apartied.  But I saw it in the theater, so It's not fresh enough in my memory to comment reliably.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2011, 07:45:39 am »
The social commentary in District 9 was pretty ham-fisted.  Like . . . they didn't trust the audience to make the appropriate associations w/r/t/ apartheid so they just set the thing in Johannesburg? 
It was set in Johannesburg because the writer/director was born, raised, and lived in Johannesburg.  He originally made a short film which was seen by Peter Jackson who was able to get the funding to turn it into a full movie.

Lol . . . Well, that's a little bit better I'll admit.  I still seem to remember it being not very subtle in its parallels to apartied.  But I saw it in the theater, so It's not fresh enough in my memory to comment reliably.

And not just that, the original short was a parody of the TV show, COPS. Which was pretty clever I thought...


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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2011, 12:58:21 pm »
Alien Nation and District 9 are both the same premise, but completely different takes on the idea. I like them both, but neither are fantastic films. Alien nation is almost like a lethal weapon style movie, but toss in some recently immigrated aliens and an alien cop as partner. Meh, its worth a watch...it's stars James Caan.


Oh its a movie? I thought it was a TV show.

It's both, it got turned into a TV show. I haven't seen much of the tv show, so I can't really comment on that.
Oh dude you should totally comment on that, everybodys doin it..  they haven't seen the movie but will start comparing about how much better another movie is they saw..

I didn't want to have to really get into explaining about why I didn't like D9 since this topic was about BLA but since the two movies are about aliens coming to Earth.. why not.

- In BLA the aliens aren't ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- and actually use their weapons instead of trading them in for cat food..

- I couldn't really tell if D9 was trying to be a documentary or a movie switching back n forth between steady cam.

- In the D9 trailers I saw in theaters, they were interrogating some alien with subtitles asking how their weapons work and the aliens subtitles stated they didn't want any trouble but at the end it said something along the lines of he would be sorry if he didn't let them go.. wasn't in the movie and lead me to believe that there was going to be some sort of showdown.. funny how now I'm looking for it on youtube and they pulled that trailer.  And none of the tv spots I saw back then had the main --cream-filled twinkie-- character with the accent.  Not one of those trailers that are on youtube now did I see in theaters or on tv.

- In D9 I get the device was alien, but you're going to tell me that the same stuff used to fuel their ship is what turned that guy into an alien?  What the hell are they using for fuel some sort of alien dna piss?

- I may have missed the part in the movie where they explained why they allowed this mobb to run the center of the alien camp hoarding all the alien weapons.

- Eviction notices given to aliens.

- The ship that started to fly away at the end, would never happen..  Even though it's in South Africa, Team America would have had that place locked down as soon as some sort of rebellious activity started.


What really did it for me was how much hype was circulating this movie.  Everywhere I went there was D9 posters or signs telling me the bathroom was for humans only or my local comic book store was for humans only.. especially in LA.  I have to admit, their marketing campaign was genius.  Me and my friends were so looking forward to this movie.  The only thing though is that after we saw the movie, some of my friends didn't want to admit they got all caught up in the hype and instead gave this movie way more praise than it deserved..  They went and had to research why the "prawns" were a bunch of wimps and their addiction to catfood to answer some of my questions, and even then their answers still didn't make sense to me. Yeh I saw the short film Johannesburg and the guys other work and was really impressed.  The transformer dancing car commercial was pretty sick.  I just think BLA was more enjoyable than D9.  I mean who here doesn't enjoy Gears of War?  I wouldn't pay to go see BLA in theaters as it would make a great Netflix or rental, but if I had to choose between the two, I'd pick BLA.  But again that's just my opinion and everyone has different taste here.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2011, 02:02:04 pm »
Sounds like you're opinion of movies has a lot to do with you're expectations going in and the hype surrounding it.  D9 was hyped to be great, but it was just okay, so you thought it sucked.  Critics say BLA sucks, but it was just okay, so you thought it was really good.

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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2011, 09:04:56 pm »
Sounds like you're opinion of movies has a lot to do with you're expectations going in and the hype surrounding it.  D9 was hyped to be great, but it was just okay, so you thought it sucked.  Critics say BLA sucks, but it was just okay, so you thought it was really good.

Well I did post a number of other reasons I didn't like this movie but the hype did play a role in it as well for me.  Maybe if the trailers showed more than just 15 seconds of helicopters flying up to the ship and alien interrogation and I knew what I was getting into.. maybe I wouldn't hate it as much as I do.  I had no idea it was going to be part documentary part sci-fi love story with some annoying main character (FOOK!)

You can check back at my previous posts if you want I never really edit unless it's a goofy typo, but I don't remember saying anything about BLA being really good..  all I said was I enjoyed it more than D9 but that's about it.   :cheers:
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2011, 12:21:38 am »
I dont know what you people(lol) are smoking but d9 was GOOD.

personal opinion of course. much better than most sci-fi movies. I liked the story, music, acting, action sequences. "FOOK!" dude was all right too.
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« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2011, 11:46:29 am »
I didn't want to this POS but my girlfriend had positive recommendations from a co-worker, and she wouldn't listen to my objections... So I gave in. It was exactly what I expected. I stupid CGI fest action movie with absolutely no plot. It felt like I was just watching someone play CoD for 2 two hours. I fell asleep. I hated this movie.
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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2011, 11:51:21 am »
I dont know what you people(lol) are smoking but d9 was GOOD.

personal opinion of course. much better than most sci-fi movies. I liked the story, music, acting, action sequences. "FOOK!" dude was all right too.

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2011, 01:24:01 pm »
D9 has a story
BLA has no story
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2011, 07:34:06 am »
D9 has a story
BLA has no story


Everyone I've talked to about D9 has liked it, but I personally hated it. I couldn't finish it because of the STUPID shaky camera. I can't stand when they do that in movies. I'm watching a movie, I know it's not real, I don't want to watch a shaky camcorder. It makes me feel sick.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2011, 08:20:47 am »
I hate the shaky camcorder look a well. The sad thing is that seems to be overused everywhere right now, I tried my hardest to like Cloverfield, but I really couldn't get past that the entire film was in shakycam.

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« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2011, 11:03:47 am »
well shaky doesnt always ruin movies. just gotta balance things out and not overuse it.

agree with cloverfield though. the ENTIRE movie was shaky cam. I got a massive headache after watching it... :dizzy:
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« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2011, 03:41:34 pm »
It doesn't always ruin movies, but it's probably at least almost always a bad idea.  A great example is the cinematography in the second two Bourne movies vs. the first one.  All three are good movies, but the camera work in the second two is obnoxious.
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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2011, 12:40:55 pm »
BLA has way worse shakey-cam than any other movie i've seen save Cloverfield. It had this sort of unatural "synthesized shake" look too it (As if it was added in post-procesing).
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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2011, 12:58:03 pm »
It doesn't always ruin movies, but it's probably at least almost always a bad idea.  A great example is the cinematography in the second two Bourne movies vs. the first one.  All three are good movies, but the camera work in the second two is obnoxious.

I never saw the bourne movies, but a lot of times they do that to speed up/blur fight scenes in order to hide stuff. I remember they did that a lot in Batman Begins.

I personally like it when its warranted, like Cloverfield. It gave you that sense that it was really recorded by someone because thats how it would be given the circumstances. Of course I dont like it CONSTANTLY, because I get a little nauseous, and I also dont like it just for the sake of using it like some movies do. If its used in subtle ways, it isnt that big of a distraction. In my opinion anyway.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2011, 05:58:30 pm »

I never saw the bourne movies . . .


You should remedy that.   :)
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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2011, 09:53:36 pm »

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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2011, 11:41:17 am »

I never saw the bourne movies . . .


You should remedy that.   :)

I know, even my girlfriend has seen them, and she barely even watches movies. I met Matt Damon at a premiere once, and he is so freakin short, I couldnt think of him as a threat to anyone, let a lone an action star. I think thats why I havent watched em  :lol
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« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2011, 02:03:25 pm »
Google says Matt Damon is 5'10 or 5'11.  Average height for an American male is 5'9 if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2011, 02:33:37 pm »
Google is full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- then because I was standing right next to him, talking to him and Im 6'3 and the top of his head was around my chin area. No, youre right about the average height, but the dude is short.
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2011, 09:05:12 pm »
Google is full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- then because I was standing right next to him, talking to him and Im 6'3 and the top of his head was around my chin area. No, youre right about the average height, but the dude is short.

Umm...  dude, Matt Damon isn't short..  you're freakin tall.  Now I get why your handle is Mikezilla
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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #75 on: April 01, 2011, 04:03:08 am »
There is a internet argument on this posted elsewhere...

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Matt-Damon-134.html

After reading this, I would agree that damon is shorter than advertised



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Re: Battle Los Angeles
« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2011, 12:48:28 pm »
Celebrities are always tiny and old in person.  Always.


saw camron diaz last year in person. she looked at least 50 lol..

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« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2011, 11:55:26 am »
If celebrities weren't tiny, they wouldn't all be able to fit into your TV.