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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: Dartful Dodger on October 20, 2011, 12:13:26 pm
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What the heck!?!
I don't remember the last 10 seconds of this episode happening in the book.
Last season ended in a place that didn't happen in the book either.
I hope they're rewriting the story, because I like how it's unfolding.
The books got a little silly so I lost interest in them, but the show is getting intense.
This will give me something good to watch while I'm waiting for the next season of Breaking Bad.
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I was reading online that they only made 4 episodes this season. What the hell is that about?! The series is gone for a year and we only get 4 episodes?! :hissy:
I never read the comic but I love the show. Except the mom of the girl was really freaking annoying. How the hell can she blame rick when her own dumbass kid didnt do what he said? Nobody forced him to save her anyway, I didnt see her running after the damn zombies to stop her! I dunno, that was just annoying, I dont like that character. And the part with the zombie in the trailer with the chick trying to assemble the gun? Cmon. The autopsy on that one zombie was awesome, and the end totally blew me away. Not as bad as carl, but you know what I mean. ;)
Speaking of Breaking Bad, I just watched the first 2 episodes of the first season. Holy hell thats a great show. It gives me something to watch inbetween episodes of Dexter. What channel is Breaking Bad originally on? Im watching it on Netflix, and they cuss and everything. Well, the first episode bleeped it out, but the second they were saying full blown curse words.
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Except the mom of the girl was really freaking annoying. How the hell can she blame rick when her own dumbass kid didnt do what he said?
Have you ever been around a mom when her kid is in danger? They go insane. I'm surprised she didn't try to rip Rick's eyes out. Yeah, rationally Rick saved the girl, but rational thought has nothing to do with the mom at that time.
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Except the mom of the girl was really freaking annoying. How the hell can she blame rick when her own dumbass kid didnt do what he said?
Have you ever been around a mom when her kid is in danger? They go insane. I'm surprised she didn't try to rip Rick's eyes out. Yeah, rationally Rick saved the girl, but rational thought has nothing to do with the mom at that time.
No, I cant say that I have recently. One time when I was young, my mom flipped out cause she thought my sister was abducted, turned out she was just at a friends house. Of course that doesnt compare to zombies eating her but you know. I get your point but she was still annoying.
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Ah gotcha. Hopefully they do that in the show then, like you said, it will make some good TV.
Now that I think about it, one other thing irks me. How the hell did the black guy survive?! That was the most insane laceration I have ever seen, he lost pints of blood, but then in a few scenes afterwards he gets patched up and its as if nothing happened.
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I need to get on with watching the new season so I can see what is under all those spoiler blinds. :lol
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I've only watched 2 episodes, and already spotted a bunch of things that are different. *shrug* take them as 2 different things
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What channel is Breaking Bad originally on? Im watching it on Netflix, and they cuss and everything. Well, the first episode bleeped it out, but the second they were saying full blown curse words.
AMC
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It would be nice if DirecTV would get AMC in hi def. Or at least if they would stop compressing the crap out of the channel. At least the weird yellow tint my 60" Freecycle TV has adds ambience to this show. :laugh2:
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What channel is Breaking Bad originally on? Im watching it on Netflix, and they cuss and everything. Well, the first episode bleeped it out, but the second they were saying full blown curse words.
AMC
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Well, chewed through season one on Netflix past week......overall I enjoyed it but several things rubbed me wrong way. Just watched season two opener........and I just wanted to scream "stop leaving the axes and hammers behind you idiots" when they have their guns out and then whine they can't use them due to sound. :banghead:
The arguement could be said, well they are learning how to deal with the zombie apoc. Meh, I dunno, common sense is that guns run out of ammo......axes don't......KEEP THEM. :whap
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It does make sense that they should have acquired more crossbows and arrows by now. :)
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You've got to admit though, Daryl is pretty badass in a Rambo silent take down sort of way.
Yeah, Daryl is my favorite character.
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It would be nice if DirecTV would get AMC in hi def. Or at least if they would stop compressing the crap out of the channel. At least the weird yellow tint my 60" Freecycle TV has adds ambience to this show. :laugh2:
They do have it in hi def now. Started a month or so ago.
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I thought Daryl was going to end up being the typical racist red neck character that ends up dieing after he tries to save himself and brother at the cost of the group.
Now it looks like they're making him into a survivalist who is ready and willing to die for the group.
Although his one handed brother is still out there (maybe?).
From the conversation Rick was having over the radio it seems less likely that the secret has to do with the wife that he hasn't seen in months being a few weeks pregnant and more about the hopeless situation the world is in.
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I was going to ask that, how long was it since Rick got injured to when he found his family again? Its been over a year since I saw the first season.
Yeah, they flipped Daryls character pretty damn quick if you ask me. ::)
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I thought it was roughly a month. I am not sure though.
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I was reading online that they only made 4 episodes this season. What the hell is that about?! The series is gone for a year and we only get 4 episodes?! :hissy:
Try 13 episodes. Half now, a hiatus, then the second half in Feb.
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Can I just say...WORST LOOKOUT GUY EVER
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So this is like a soap opera with an occasional zombie?
Sadly, I have a feeling that's what it's turning into. I hope I'm wrong.
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So this is like a soap opera with an occasional zombie?
That's what the comics are...and I love it.
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So this is like a soap opera with an occasional zombie?
That's what the comics are...and I love it.
Soap opera is a stretch IMO. Character development and romance is kinda in everything
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The second season really seems to be shaping up. Last "season" (if you can call it that, 7 episodes, really???) drug out re-hashing what was in the comics until about halfway when they just threw out the page book. We are on episode in and things are already starting to look like a typical scenario that would be in the comics, which is a GOOD thing.
The herd was a bit disappointing though. I mean really it should have stretched as far as the eye could see.
Daryll is also shaping up. I think I like him most so far. I looks like they are going with the "racist jerk redeemed" route with him and it should be interesting.
Carl doesn't seem as important in this series, but unfortuantely with how that last episode ended, that will probably change.
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I'm a big fan of the first and this season. IMO The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad are the best tv shows on tv. I just started to watch Breaking Bad, that show is freaking awesome.
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I was reading online that they only made 4 episodes this season. What the hell is that about?! The series is gone for a year and we only get 4 episodes?! :hissy:
Try 13 episodes. Half now, a hiatus, then the second half in Feb.
Apparently I was misinformed. Damn you Entertainment Weekly! :angry:
Thanks Vigo! I was just wondering. Was Shane cheating with Ricks wife before they thought that he died? Cause man, she was awfully quick to jump in the sack with Shane, I mean her husband was only thought to be dead for a month....
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The first episode on this season is more like a reboot, but instead of starting over they just started where the last episode ended, with all the characters having different personalities. Or maybe they were all required to take acting lessons, because this season they seem better.
So this is like a soap opera with an occasional zombie?
If you'd stop watching reruns from the 80s you'd see that all modern TV shows (even game shows) now have a soap opera format. That's why soap operas are obsolete.
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It would be nice if DirecTV would get AMC in hi def. Or at least if they would stop compressing the crap out of the channel. At least the weird yellow tint my 60" Freecycle TV has adds ambience to this show. :laugh2:
They do have it in hi def now. Started a month or so ago.
It was not in hi def on my DVR. Well, I suppose it could have been super crappy hi def with four way 25% black bars around it. Somehow I doubt that.
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I was reading online that they only made 4 episodes this season. What the hell is that about?! The series is gone for a year and we only get 4 episodes?! :hissy:
Try 13 episodes. Half now, a hiatus, then the second half in Feb.
Apparently I was misinformed. Damn you Entertainment Weekly! :angry:
Thanks Vigo! I was just wondering. Was Shane cheating with Ricks wife before they thought that he died? Cause man, she was awfully quick to jump in the sack with Shane, I mean her husband was only thought to be dead for a month....
According to the wikipedia article:
"The first season centers on Deputy Rick Grimes, who was shot and ended up in a coma for an indeterminate time."
So I guess they haven't established how long yet. i haven't read the comics (I need to), so I am not sure if things are the same there.
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I was reading online that they only made 4 episodes this season. What the hell is that about?! The series is gone for a year and we only get 4 episodes?! :hissy:
Try 13 episodes. Half now, a hiatus, then the second half in Feb.
Apparently I was misinformed. Damn you Entertainment Weekly! :angry:
Thanks Vigo! I was just wondering. Was Shane cheating with Ricks wife before they thought that he died? Cause man, she was awfully quick to jump in the sack with Shane, I mean her husband was only thought to be dead for a month....
According to the wikipedia article:
"The first season centers on Deputy Rick Grimes, who was shot and ended up in a coma for an indeterminate time."
So I guess they haven't established how long yet. i haven't read the comics (I need to), so I am not sure if things are the same there.
Hm. A friend also told me to get the comic, but the run hasnt finished on it yet. Im kinda sketch about getting it, because I also dont want to know what happens cause Im watching the TV show.
I thought soap operas were obsolete because of "reality" tv shows. :dunno
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It would be nice if DirecTV would get AMC in hi def. Or at least if they would stop compressing the crap out of the channel. At least the weird yellow tint my 60" Freecycle TV has adds ambience to this show. :laugh2:
They do have it in hi def now. Started a month or so ago.
It was not in hi def on my DVR. Well, I suppose it could have been super crappy hi def with four way 25% black bars around it. Somehow I doubt that.
It was the same way for me and breaking bad. I actually had to cancel recording the show, then re-add it on the hd channel. It doesn't automatically switch series recordings over to the HD version. The HD channel replaces the SD one in the guide, but they are technically different channels.
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It was the same way for me and breaking bad. I actually had to cancel recording the show, then re-add it on the hd channel. It doesn't automatically switch series recordings over to the HD version. The HD channel replaces the SD one in the guide, but they are technically different channels.
Oh, yeah, that's probably the case. I haven't even been in the channel guide in so long I had forgotten that's how it works. Thanks. :cheers:
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Hm. A friend also told me to get the comic, but the run hasnt finished on it yet. Im kinda sketch about getting it, because I also dont want to know what happens cause Im watching the TV show.
Felt the same way at first, but started the books anyway. They are already pretty different and it hasn't ruined my enjoyment so far.
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I have Verizon FIOS and the picture quality of AMC HD is horrible. All other HD channels are fine. How is the picture on DirecTV? Anyone else have issues with FIOS?
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Hm. A friend also told me to get the comic, but the run hasnt finished on it yet. Im kinda sketch about getting it, because I also dont want to know what happens cause Im watching the TV show.
Felt the same way at first, but started the books anyway. They are already pretty different and it hasn't ruined my enjoyment so far.
Well damn. Maybe I will have to pick it up then. I also think Ricks wife is oddly attractive, even though she is a filthy whore. Just throwin that out in the universe.
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Well damn. Maybe I will have to pick it up then. I also think Ricks wife is oddly attractive, even though she is a filthy whore. Just throwin that out in the universe.
During zombie apocalypses, rules on marriage are out the window. So I wouldn't call her a whore, filthy maybe, cause showers are hard to come by.
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Seems reasonable enough that she'd bang a guy she didn't particularly like to ensure he keeps her and her son alive.
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Ah yes, the Zombie Apocalypse "down there" payment for safety.
I was surprised that didn't come into play when the blonde wanted to run off with him.
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The show is pretty much hitting the larger points in the comic but it's details are different. I'm hooked on both the comic and show. I hope they both have a good run.
I think the decapitation, dismemberment, and repeated shooting of children is going to end up scrapped for the show. As is the old guy/young woman sex stuff... :)
I want to see how the hell they do Michonne, since she's just straight up nuts.
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I don't see her making the show. Much like how the X-Men movies dialed down the dorkness of comics
I mean, seriously, she was walking around with 2 zombie bodyguards and a ninja sword
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Seems reasonable enough that she'd bang a guy she didn't particularly like to ensure he keeps her and her son alive.
But its not just some dude, its her husbands best friend. And she REALLY seemed to enjoy it. Its not like he just let him get his jollies, she was freaking into it. Just kind of a bummer considering he seems like a good guy, and they have a kid together. I kind of forgot the dialogue between Rick and Shane when they were eating in the car in the first episode.
Dorkness of comics?! Blasphemer!
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But its not just some dude, its her husbands best friend. And she REALLY seemed to enjoy it. Its not like he just let him get his jollies, she was freaking into it. Just kind of a bummer considering he seems like a good guy, and they have a kid together. I kind of forgot the dialogue between Rick and Shane when they were eating in the car in the first episode.
Or she was just doing a good job of convincing him.
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The world is covered with Zombies and she thought her husband was dead.
The flashbacks Rick was having while he was in a coma showed that Shawn was visiting him often. It's not that far fetched that she'd fall for him and him for her.
I didn't like how the triangle played out in the comics. It doesn't look like they are following the same story. Shawn is acually looking like a good person in the show.
Although if what seemed to have happened at the end of the episode really happened, then the comic book Shawn might return. The writters of the show could say that was the only reason Shawn gave up so easily.
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Still though. A month?
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Seems reasonable enough that she'd bang a guy she didn't particularly like to ensure he keeps her and her son alive.
Nah man, they totally changed her into a whore on the tv show. In the comics, they slept together ONCE after an attack when she was particularly scared and vulnerable. On teh tv show apparently they shacked up almost immediately and we still together right up until Rick got back.
I seriously doubt they need "the sterotypical stupid guy who shoots things too much and makes the wrong decision" as help either. ;)
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To those worried about excessive gore, remember the stupid loopholes of standards and practices.
Generally speaking monsters are not considered human by S&P ....same goes for aliens and robots. So you can do whatever you want with them. This is why all the kids shows where the bad guys get shot left and right have either robots, monsters or aliens as the bad guys. :D
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HC - not worried about zombie gore...remember, in the comic a kid gets dismembered, three people get decapitated, quite a few others get ripped apart, a pair of people get blown apart by a shotgun blast, etc. NONE of that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- is going to make it to TV...at least not in a way as impactful as the comic I don't think. Maybe...but....there's a difference in seeing it and doing the gunshot sound, face shot, then bloody body where you see nothing on the ground in my mind.
BTW - first person change the topic to say spoilers...don't know what is and isn't a damn spoiler. :)
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Judging by this thread, the comic and season 2 seem to be spoilers, season 1 is assumed to be past spoiling.
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Breaking Bad reference tonight. In the stash of drugs, there is some blue meth. Heisenberg FTW!
EDIT:
Here's a pic:
(http://peecee.dk/uploads/102011/The.Walking.Dead_snapshot_36.48_%5B2011.10.24_06.09.59%5D.jpg)
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Saw the reference and laughed ---my bottom--- off....I would love to see Walt as a zombie...
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Still though. A month?
Like I had posted before, he was in a coma for an undetermined amount of time. They never said it was a month. They never actually revealed the time frame Rick was in a coma at all. Does the comic ever say how long?
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Added a pic above.
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Rick couldn't have been long in a coma, at least after the breakout. I'm I remember right, when Shane went in try to rescue Rick, that was the point in which the power went out in the hospital and it was evacuated. So up until the point in which Shane came to get Rick, Lori believed he was alive. Rick couldn't have stayed in a coma without fluids for more than a week or so.
I don't know how long Rick stayed with that one guy and his son, but It didn't seem like more than 3 days.
So that leaves Lori a rebound time of 1-2 weeks maximum from the point she thought he was dead. She's a whore.
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His plant was withered, how long does that take?
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BTW - first person change the topic to say spoilers...don't know what is and isn't a damn spoiler. :)
I understand your spoiler concerns, I won't have time to watch the show until the weekend, so even though I started this thread I won't open this thread after the next episode is aired until I actually had time to watch it.
Do I just edit the subject of the first post. Won't that reset the "new" post back to the first post?
His plant was withered, how long does that take?
Right even though he wasn't dead they could have been comforting each other while he was in the coma. After he was presumed dead and everyone who wasn't dead assumed they would be, the rules with relationships changed.
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No it really doesn't.
Maybe your values are different form mine, but when a spouse dies, it's a MINIMUM of a year before you even start dating again. And no a zombie apocalypse doesn't change a rules, just like murder is still murder.
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No it really doesn't.
Maybe your values are different form mine, but when a spouse dies, it's a MINIMUM of a year before you even start dating again. And no a zombie apocalypse doesn't change a rules, just like murder is still murder.
See, this was more along the lines of what I was thinking. There was virtually no mourning period. And the way they showed it, it wasnt just a "Im all alone with a child to raise, and we are going to be scraping by everyday just to survive hold me" kind of thing. It was like "hey when are we gonna ditch the rest of these clowns (including my kid) to go ---fudgesicle--- in the woods". She is a whore.
Sundays episode was lame in my opinion. Nothing happened. Of course my DVR kept screwing up so that might have added to it cause I might have missed thing.
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That's actually really weird. My Tivo screwed up that episode too and I had to torrent it.
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I didnt have time, I was late. Hm. That is weird. Who is your cable provider?
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I didnt have time, I was late. Hm. That is weird. Who is your cable provider?
DirecTV. I'm pretty sure it was the Tivo. The hard drive is dying.
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I didnt have time, I was late. Hm. That is weird. Who is your cable provider?
DirecTV. I'm pretty sure it was the Tivo. The hard drive is dying.
Sorry, I noticed that earlier when you were talking about the HD and stuff. I think that must be the case too. It kept getting scrambled, pixelated, and would just pause for about 10 seconds at a time. Does that indicate hard drive death?
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Yes, in a DVR if that starts to happen without a signal problem it means the hard drive is on the way out. I have two older Tivos and have replaced the drive in each of them twice. DVRs can get to the tootsie roll center of a hard drive quickly.
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Yes, in a DVR if that starts to happen without a signal problem it means the hard drive is on the way out. I have two older Tivos and have replaced the drive in each of them twice. DVRs can get to the tootsie roll center of a hard drive quickly.
Yeah no kidding. This is the fourth one I have had in the last year from Cox. The weird thing though is that they have all died in different ways. The first one I guess doesnt count cause it was replaced due to it not being HD. The second one just completely stopped working. One night it was fine, the next it just wouldnt turn on. The third one popped and started smoking from the back so of course I yanked it out of the wall and disconnected it from the TV, then the last one did this. :-\
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Watched the show last night...
The shocker was when shane killed otis.
The way I took it..It was the survial of the fitest. Otis was draggin him down. But I personally wouldnt of shot him, I would of grabbed his bag and just went ahead of him..if otis got ate up, then its his own fault, shanes conscience would be clean then..but now he has to face his demons...
metaphorically, when a person cuts his hair off, he's starting a new way of life. does this mean shane is bad now?
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I have Verizon FIOS and the picture quality of AMC HD is horrible. All other HD channels are fine. How is the picture on DirecTV? Anyone else have issues with FIOS?
I have AT&T u-verse, and bad picture here, too. Also, a lot of subtle digital stuttering in the audio.
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Dangit! Spoiler blinds, please.
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I have Verizon FIOS and the picture quality of AMC HD is horrible. All other HD channels are fine. How is the picture on DirecTV? Anyone else have issues with FIOS?
I have AT&T u-verse, and bad picture here, too. Also, a lot of subtle digital stuttering in the audio.
Oh man, I just got U-Verse in my area, and I was going to switch from Cox cause I was having trouble with the DVR, it always craps out, the picture quality is garbage, etc.
Well what you said Savannan makes sense, sort of. By killing Otis (Sorry Vigo, didnt think I needed to use spoiler tags cause you already read that :-\) it guaranteed Shane was going to survive. Thats what he gets for being a typical American. He probably wasnt a vegetarian thats for damn sure. ;)
I havent read the comic, but if you ask me, shane already was bad considering he was porking Ricks wife before he even knew he was dead...
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The shocker was when shane killed otis.
really?
that was...PREDICTABO! from the hair cutting intro I knew he killed or had otis killed.
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Thats what he gets for being a typical American. He probably wasnt a vegetarian thats for damn sure. ;)
I havent read the comic, but if you ask me, shane already was bad considering he was porking Ricks wife before he even knew he was dead...
I've known plenty of fat vegetarians. ::) They seem to think being vegetarian means scarfing down piles of french fries and truck loads of Doritos while just saying no to meat. Ya know, for health reasons. :lol
Shane has been dead for a looooong time in the comic.
Haha that was a reference to another thread regarding PETA stuff.
Damn Louis! This is the show thread, not the damn comic! I just read over the spoiler, and it did in fact spoil things! :P
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Sorry dude.
Ill live. Unlike someone else we know. :lol
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The shocker was when shane killed otis.
really?
that was...PREDICTABO! from the hair cutting intro I knew he killed or had otis killed.
Agreed. That was the most cliche intro I've seen in quite some time.
Actually this whole episode was poorly written.
Let me make a little list:
(Going back from the lead-in from the previous ep.) Ok so there are two guys, and throwing flares into the parking lot seemed to work REALLY well. So wouldn't it make sense to either have one guy stay outside and continue to throw flares while the other one makes two trips or bring some flares with them so that they can throw em out the window prior to opening the door??
With a few notable exceptions the zombies in this episode are really slow, slow enough that you can outrun them. Was it really such a good idea to be blasting them left and right as you were clearly, and easily outrunning them. Geat use of ammo guys! Way to draw more zombies to your location!
Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS. Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up. Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack. So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong. I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive. Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better. I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine.
On top of that, I don't know if it was poor filming or what, but as they were walking down that road towards the end, they didn't seem to be in any real danger. Sure there was a bunch of zombies behind them, but they were like 75-100 feet behind them. Zombies aren't exactly sprinting champions. As long as they manage to keep moving they weren't in any danger at all.
Hopefully this means the end of Shane pretty soon. He's a horrible character (not in a love to hate way either) and he needs to be removed from the show. Rick's wife as well. Maybe they could be eaten soon?
I'm lovin' Darrel though... I'm related to people like him. ;)
I'm not real fond of how they are trying to "fast forward" Rick's emotional break-down to match up with the comics either. It's a tad to early to shoot Carl don't cha think?
I just hope they don't keep drawing on plot lines and stories directly from the comics. The farm house bit was pretty good in the comics, but some of the other long story arcs are pretty dull. Heck where they currently are in the comics is pretty boring if you ask me.
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Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS. Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up. Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack. So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong. I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive. Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better. I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine.
Slowing the pair down and revenge never even entered my mind as to why he shot Otis. To me, the clear reason is because he realized they were both too tired and slow neither of them would make it to the truck before getting overrun by the zombies. Shooting Otis caused all of the zombies chasing him to stop and eat Otis instead of continuing to chase him, which would give him plenty of time to make a slow escape to the truck. It's like the old saying that you don't have to be faster than a bear to escape an attacking bear, you just have to be faster then the guy next to you.
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Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS. Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up. Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack. So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong. I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive. Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better. I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine.
Slowing the pair down and revenge never even entered my mind as to why he shot Otis. To me, the clear reason is because he realized they were both too tired and slow neither of them would make it to the truck before getting overrun by the zombies. Shooting Otis caused all of the zombies chasing him to stop and eat Otis instead of continuing to chase him, which would give him plenty of time to make a slow escape to the truck. It's like the old saying that you don't have to be faster than a bear to escape an attacking bear, you just have to be faster then the guy next to you.
+1. This is the reason why I thought Shane shot Otis as well, the revenge didnt even come into my mind. Of course, like I said earlier, my DVR was totally F'ed up so this episode kinda got screwed up for me.
I understand what you mean about the writing Howard. I thought yeah, the flare thing worked well, why not light a damn car on fire with one of those flares?
Also, Shane is just annoying, with his blank stares, and gaping mouth etc. I hope he does get killed, but he probably wont. The wife needs to get eaten too, for being a whore. The chick at the ranch, the one that gave the korean kid something to drink and was talking about god, is oddly attractive. I hope thats her shirt they take off during the promo for the next episode. :drool
The blonde chick with the gun needs to die too, and they need to meet some new people. I like Darrel, but, I dont like how his character flipped a 180 from last season to this one. The first season he was a ---tallywhacker--- to everyone CONSTANTLY, and now he is semi nice, and cares for the stupid little girl, and is all nice to everyone. Does she die or what?!
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Flares was a good idea, busting the door open later wasn't. Stealth mission failure
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Why would you apologize to someone if shooting them out of revenge? That was clearly a case of leaving the slow guy for the grizzly to chew on.
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Why would you apologize to someone if shooting them out of revenge? That was clearly a case of leaving the slow guy for the grizzly to chew on.
Exactly. If it was for revenge he would have said something like "this is for carl" or "thats what you get for being fat" or "Im a big dick and I hate everyone". I dunno. I think he did it so it would guarantee his survival. He was fat too, so they probably were chewing on him for a long time.
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Yeah, this is the start of Shane's downward spiral. And like I said earlier - don't worry if you don't like someone, almost everyone will be dead soon anyway!
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Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS. Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up. Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack. So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong. I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive. Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better. I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine.
Slowing the pair down and revenge never even entered my mind as to why he shot Otis. To me, the clear reason is because he realized they were both too tired and slow neither of them would make it to the truck before getting overrun by the zombies. Shooting Otis caused all of the zombies chasing him to stop and eat Otis instead of continuing to chase him, which would give him plenty of time to make a slow escape to the truck. It's like the old saying that you don't have to be faster than a bear to escape an attacking bear, you just have to be faster then the guy next to you.
+1. This is the reason why I thought Shane shot Otis as well, the revenge didnt even come into my mind. Of course, like I said earlier, my DVR was totally F'ed up so this episode kinda got screwed up for me.
I understand what you mean about the writing Howard. I thought yeah, the flare thing worked well, why not light a damn car on fire with one of those flares?
Also, Shane is just annoying, with his blank stares, and gaping mouth etc. I hope he does get killed, but he probably wont. The wife needs to get eaten too, for being a whore. The chick at the ranch, the one that gave the korean kid something to drink and was talking about god, is oddly attractive. I hope thats her shirt they take off during the promo for the next episode. :drool
The blonde chick with the gun needs to die too, and they need to meet some new people. I like Darrel, but, I dont like how his character flipped a 180 from last season to this one. The first season he was a ---tallywhacker--- to everyone CONSTANTLY, and now he is semi nice, and cares for the stupid little girl, and is all nice to everyone. Does she die or what?!
If that's the case then it's poor writing/filming. I mean I'm no expert and Shane is a colossal male genital, but if it were me I would have waited until the last possible second to shoot him, not when the zombies were 100 feet away, AREN'T GAINING AT ALL and there might still be a chance that they'll make it.
I don't think he flipped at all. I think he was always a good guy but was under the influence of his white trash brother. Without him looking over his shoulder he's free to act how he wants instead of how he's expected to act. That little story while they were walking in the woods kind of gave some insight into his horrible childhood. He's kinda like Archie Bunker... at the beginning of the episode he says all of these horrible racist things and then he actually has to deal with what he was talking about in a real situation and he reluctantly takes them all back. About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night. ;)
I still don't get how the little girl could be lost, but with the search being drawn out this long, I guess she is. She must have the poorest sense of direction ever though, because they left the highway for like 5 minutes, it would be pretty damn hard to be lost for days. Maybe somebody kidnapped her?
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About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night.
You guys are too black and white on these things. There is middle ground. He really believes the girl can still be out there because he did it as a kid. He also probably understood the mother's pain. There is an area where he doesn't care as much about the girl as she does but he understands how destroyed her mother probably is without knowing. It's the not knowing that is the problem. He's right about one thing. In that area of the country the girl could be holed up in any number of abandoned houses, shacks, sheds, barns, etc. The weather is not going to kill her so she can stay there for quite a while if it's free of zombies.
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If that's the case then it's poor writing/filming. I mean I'm no expert and Shane is a colossal male genital, but if it were me I would have waited until the last possible second to shoot him, not when the zombies were 100 feet away, AREN'T GAINING AT ALL and there might still be a chance that they'll make it.
I don't see it that way, he heard how far away they were. Instinct kicked in, fight or flight, but he chose fight against the good guy.
I still don't get how the little girl could be lost, but with the search being drawn out this long, I guess she is. She must have the poorest sense of direction ever though, because they left the highway for like 5 minutes, it would be pretty damn hard to be lost for days. Maybe somebody kidnapped her?
Pretty easy to get lost in the woods, I've lost my path hiking and backtracked to find markers. Without markers and zombies chasing me, I'd probably get lost too.
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About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night.
You guys are too black and white on these things. There is middle ground. He really believes the girl can still be out there because he did it as a kid. He also probably understood the mother's pain. There is an area where he doesn't care as much about the girl as she does but he understands how destroyed her mother probably is without knowing. It's the not knowing that is the problem. He's right about one thing. In that area of the country the girl could be holed up in any number of abandoned houses, shacks, sheds, barns, etc. The weather is not going to kill her so she can stay there for quite a while if it's free of zombies.
Isn't that what I just said? (note the anymore than a normal human would bit.) ;)
Actually, in this type of genere, it's the Gray Area that will get you killed. Look at any zombie movie, comic, or hell any horror story in general. There is a terrible thing going on and everybody is managing just fine, until one of three things happen:
1. Somebody does something completely irrational because they let their emotions get the better of them.
2. Somebody bases their actions on faith instead of logic/science/common sense.
3. Somebody does something that is morally unforgiveable, like murder, letting somebody die that they could have saved ect..
After one of those three things happen it's a downward spiral of piled up bodies until only a couple remain, the few that never did one of the three things.
It happend in all the dead movies, it happens in all the slasher flicks, it even happens in the Walking Dead comic series.
So keep that in mind when the zombie apocalypse hits... become an athiest, stay calm and rational and always be a straight arrow.
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You left out a couple:
4. Someone is black.
5. Someone has sex.
6. Everyone is not Bruce Campbell.
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farmer's daughter :o
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How nasty/awesome was that well scene? :puke :applaud:
Stuff like that was a lot better when there was at least actual liquid involved. Now it's all so CG it clearly doesn't even look like it happened in the same place.
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How nasty/awesome was that well scene? :puke :applaud:
Nasty yes. Kept wondering how dumb they were for trying that.
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How nasty/awesome was that well scene? :puke :applaud:
Stuff like that was a lot better when there was at least actual liquid involved. Now it's all so CG it clearly doesn't even look like it happened in the same place.
No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.
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farmer's daughter :o
Agreed, I wasn't paying much attention to the zombies this time around.
Oh and she has a posh english accent in real life. Bonus!
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No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.
Then the real liquid scene was not filmed in the same place. A lot of that liquid was clearly animated. I suppose they could have pasted it in from a separate greenscreen shot but damn that just looked weird and made me miss 80s horror movies.
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I'd say it is probably the worst episode they have had so far. Hopefully it is just a "calm before the storm" episode.
I didn't even get the point of pulling the zombie from the well. The farm had 5 wells, and clearly nobody was gonna touch that water, even if they removed the zombie. It just seemed like they needed some sort of filler so they can say there was a zombie in that episode. Using Glen as bait? Couldn't they step up to a catching a squirrel as bait or something first? Throwing a person down a well with a nasty old rope and no winching equipment seems pretty ridiculous.
I don't get why Darryl went on with that out of character story about the cherokee rose. It would be a thousand times more consoling for her to hear "Hey, I think I found where your kid has been hiding out recently. When it's light again we will pick up the trail from there." ::)
I really hope they don't waste this whole season looking for that girl that they never even introduced to begin with.
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Wells are not isolated. They are groundwater. Contaminating one can contaminate others or even them all in the right circumstances.
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I thought the well thing was stupid too. The reasoning for not just shooting the zombie was because they did not want to contaminate the water...but it was already obviously contaminated if a bloody, swollen zombie has been down there all this time. Pulling the zombie out was a dumb idea. Using Glen as bait was worse. With all that being said, if the water is contaminated (which nobody knows if it is) and the people on the farm have been using it all this time, does that mean that they are possibly infected?
It did seem like zombie filler.
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Wells are not isolated. They are groundwater. Contaminating one can contaminate others or even them all in the right circumstances.
There would be contamination from the zombie no matter what at that point. The dirt in the ground acts as a filter for most anything bacterial or viral that would spread, so they would probably be safe from the other wells if it was only 1 zombie. If they really wanted to kill as much infection as possible, they should have dumped gas down the shaft and lit him up. No matter what, they should just make a point to purify their water.
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No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.
Then the real liquid scene was not filmed in the same place. A lot of that liquid was clearly animated. I suppose they could have pasted it in from a separate greenscreen shot but damn that just looked weird and made me miss 80s horror movies.
Why would I believe the guys who actually made it happen, and then showed how, over Chad ?
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http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/inside-the-walking-dead-the-well-walker (http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/inside-the-walking-dead-the-well-walker)
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Heh, okay, my original point still stands. It looked stupid compared to the scenes we used to see in horror movies. The tech they're using now is advancing but still lags behind stuff they were doing 30 years ago.
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After seeing the previews of next week episode, i wouldnt be surprised if Merrell (Michael Rooker) has the girl...
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Mikezilla,
I started reading the comic, and back to the debate about how long Rick has been in a coma. You were right. A month, so yea....---stingray---! heh
This comic panel contains NO spoilers:
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o80/Bootay187/walking_dead.jpg)
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Mikezilla,
I started reading the comic, and back to the debate about how long Rick has been in a coma. You were right. A month, so yea....---stingray---! heh
This comic panel contains NO spoilers:
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o80/Bootay187/walking_dead.jpg)
I didn't think there was really a debate going on over how long he was in a coma (give or take a week or two). It's quite obvious really. If you are abandoned in a hospital with only whatever remaining IV drips they have hooked up to you, you can't survive THAT long. So regardless of how long he was in the coma, he had only been abandoned and "assumed dead" for a couple of days to a week or two tops, or else he would have starved to death.
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Ok, "debate" was probably a poor choice of words..there wasn't a debate about it. I was just letting Mikezilla know that they do tell how long he was out in the comic. The TV show never stated.
And so far, for the most part, the comic is mostly like the show...I am only on issue 5 though. A few things happen slightly different or at different times than they do in the TV show. But it is a good read. I would recommend it.....so far that is.
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All that says is that he was in the coma for the past month. It doesn't say he was walking around before that. He could have been in the coma for the prior five months too and still answered the question that way.
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You are missing the point Chad. The point of that conversation was that Rick has only been "assumed dead" for a month because that's roughly how long it's been since the zombie apocalypse happened.
It doesn't matter if he was in the coma any longer because if he was that they were sleeping together back then it's even worse. (Obviously they weren't but just as an example.)
Getting back on topic, how awesome is Darrel? When I saw the "scenes for next week" last week I thought to myself "Man some Rambo ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- is going down next week" and boy was I right! Pulls the arrow out THE WRONG WAY and still manages to shoot the zombie. That's a man right there.
Looks like they are back on track with the books what with Hershel hoarding zombies and all. And they are still planning on going to the fort as well. Man I sure hope they don't set next season in the damn prison.
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You are missing the point Chad.
Or perhaps my point is different than yours, Howard. Yours is not the only possible point of view.
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I am on #40 of the comics now and boy are they better than the show. The show is still good though. But man, I bet half the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that happens in the comic will never make it to the show. LOL The comic is freaking brutal.
The amount of time Rick was in a coma doesn't actually matter once you read the comic. Shane and Lori only hook up one time in he comic and she immediately admits it was a mistake. In the show they have an actual relationship until Rick comes back. Either way...she still cheated. But in the comic she feels guilty about it and regrets it right away.
Back to the show...I haven't watched this week's episode yet. Glad to see they are back on track with the comic though.
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Yeah, it really only matters if you have some need to morally judge the woman for the fling. If you don't really care that some fictional chick was banging some guy then the coma timeline isn't terribly important.
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Yeah, it really only matters if you have some need to morally judge the woman for the fling. If you don't really care that some fictional chick was banging some guy then the coma timeline isn't terribly important.
Well, the show is classified as a drama, and thats how they are marketing it, and yes, I do feel the need to morally judge her because its a show. If it was a comic it would be different, because its a different medium. Now, if it was just a one time thing, then the coma timeline wouldnt really matter, but they changed that for the show, because, like I said, they are pushing the drama aspect to snag a broader audience.
And Howard, use some spoiler tags next time, this is for the show, not the damn comic.
Since everyone has read the damn comic, I guess we cant discuss why the hell Herschel is hoarding zombies... ::)
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Not everybody has read the comic. I haven't.
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Not everybody has read the comic. I haven't.
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Ok then. Howard butt out. ;D
Any ideas why Hershel is hoarding zombies?! I dont think a Vet could try to come up with a cure, so thats out of the question. Dont really think he could use them as beasts of burden either. Is he keeping them as a personal guard, so if hostile people come he could just release the zombies and they will attack the interlopers? :dunno
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Apparently that was last night's episode? Shouldn't that be in spoilers? I watched the Patriots game instead.
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Mikezilla, if you really want to know:
Removed. I just realized that you didn't actually want to know but wanted people who DON'T know to comment. I did have it in spoiler tags...but once I realized what you meant I just removed it all.
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Ooops haha my bad. Im at work and didnt realize I didnt put that in spoilers. Sorry everyone.
No thats cool Bootay, you put your stuff in spoilers, so I didnt read it. I mean, I wanted to, but I didnt. :lol
Barnes and Noble has the compendium of the first 48 issues for 60 bucks. Im wondering if I should get it.
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I would say "go for it". It really doesn't spoil it that much because the comic is different. The same basic things happen but in different ways and at different times. Plus the characters are totally different than they are in the show, and there are a lot more of them. The show is kind of the PG Rated version of the story. heh
I personally like the comic much better, but the show is still good. The show is borrowing storylines from the comic and then doing them on a smaller scale. It hasn't spoiled the show for me, but instead makes me wonder how they are going to do certain things if at all.
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Apparently that was last night's episode? Shouldn't that be in spoilers? I watched the Patriots game instead.
That's your problem, sorry.
I was going to put my stuff in spoilers but I figured at this point people would have the common sense not to read this thread unless they were following the tv show.
As for comic book spoilers I'll remind you guys that the book is currently on episode 90 and has been in production since 2003. If you haven't read the book by now you probably never are and it is so much further along (not to mention different and BETTER) than the tv show that there is no reason to hold back reading.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be the guy who yells out the ending as you walk into a movie, but I think using spoilers in this type of thread is getting a bit tedious. Why don't we just put a warning at the beginning of the thread?
And no Chad, what you aren't getting is that when everyone else are discussing one point and then you respond by saying "maybe I have another point" it isn't a difference of opinion, it's a breakdown of communication as you are talking about one thing and we are discussing another. ;) I'm not trying to be mean at all, it's just when people are discussing their opinion of the handling of a Ford Taurus and you shout "I like boats, they go fast.... cars suck!" you aren't really helping along the discussion very much.
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Howard, I know you like to control discussions and keep the viewpoints narrow, but that's not how group conversation works. It moves around to various viewpoints on the common subject. Sometimes it takes a leap sideways at a new idea.
Presenting a different point of view on an event is not like comparing a car to a boat. The event did not change. Only the opinion on the event differs.
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I would say "go for it". It really doesn't spoil it that much because the comic is different. The same basic things happen but in different ways and at different times. Plus the characters are totally different than they are in the show, and there are a lot more of them. The show is kind of the PG Rated version of the story. heh
I personally like the comic much better, but the show is still good. The show is borrowing storylines from the comic and then doing them on a smaller scale. It hasn't spoiled the show for me, but instead makes me wonder how they are going to do certain things if at all.
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I figure the show won't last a lot longer than season 3 if there even is one. I'll have plenty of time to read the comics then.
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I figure the show won't last a lot longer than season 3 if there even is one. I'll have plenty of time to read the comics then.
I dont know man, that show is printing money for AMC, Im not sure they if they have greenlit season 3 yet, but the current season is getting some really good ratings.
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The zombie fad won't last a ton longer. Once they aren't mainstream top tier anymore the show won't be printing money. This fad has been over a year now. That's already longer than most fads nowadays. Maybe if they change the format to a zombie survival show where you can vote someone out of the group every week.
Text #ZMBYSRV with your vote after each episode (standard message rates apply).
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I suppose youre right, but then again, maybe they wont wait for another year to produce the next season, I thought that was pretty dumb on their part. Then again look at the stupid vampire fad, thats been around and is only getting worse thanks to stupid Twilight, Vampire Diaries, True Blood etc.
My GF and I are doing a obstacle course thing like that next year. Its called runforyourlives.com, its kind of like the mud run(if youre familiar with that) you wear flags, and people are dressed up as zombies and they try to attack/chase you. Whoever gets to the finish line with the most flags win wonderous prizes. Its a pretty brutal obstacle course.
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the book is currently on episode 90 and has been in production since 2003. If you haven't read the book by now you probably never are
I'm not sure that's a fair thing to say. I didn't even know it was a comic/graphic novel until just before they started season 2 up. I've never owned a comic before unless you count Trigun which was pretty boring after seeing the show since it was pretty much word for word. If it's as good as people say it is (and not word for word which it appears not to be) then I'll most likely pick it up when money is flowing a little more freely.
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My GF and I are doing a obstacle course thing like that next year. Its called runforyourlives.com, its kind of like the mud run(if youre familiar with that) you wear flags, and people are dressed up as zombies and they try to attack/chase you. Whoever gets to the finish line with the most flags win wonderous prizes. Its a pretty brutal obstacle course.
Heh, I'm probably going to do that too when it comes to MA. The prizes thing doesn't match anything that I saw on their website, though. I did the Warrior Dash, Spartan Race, and Metro Dash this year. The zombie race looks like it'll probably be easier than those.
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My GF and I are doing a obstacle course thing like that next year. Its called runforyourlives.com, its kind of like the mud run(if youre familiar with that) you wear flags, and people are dressed up as zombies and they try to attack/chase you. Whoever gets to the finish line with the most flags win wonderous prizes. Its a pretty brutal obstacle course.
Heh, I'm probably going to do that too when it comes to MA. The prizes thing doesn't match anything that I saw on their website, though. I did the Warrior Dash, Spartan Race, and Metro Dash this year. The zombie race looks like it'll probably be easier than those.
Spartan Race and Warrior Dash?! Never heard of those, Ill have to check em out. I was reading that they have different age and level of difficulty courses too, I hope its hard, I dont want it to be easy. The mud run in camp pendleton in CA is kinda easy, thats the only other thing like that out here.
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My GF and I are doing a obstacle course thing like that next year. Its called runforyourlives.com, its kind of like the mud run(if youre familiar with that) you wear flags, and people are dressed up as zombies and they try to attack/chase you. Whoever gets to the finish line with the most flags win wonderous prizes. Its a pretty brutal obstacle course.
Dang, are registration prices usually so high for things like this? It's going to be $77 from tomorrow to March! I'd love to do that but don't think I could convince the wife.
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My GF and I are doing a obstacle course thing like that next year. Its called runforyourlives.com, its kind of like the mud run(if youre familiar with that) you wear flags, and people are dressed up as zombies and they try to attack/chase you. Whoever gets to the finish line with the most flags win wonderous prizes. Its a pretty brutal obstacle course.
Dang, are registration prices usually so high for things like this? It's going to be $77 from tomorrow to March! I'd love to do that but don't think I could convince the wife.
To be honest, this is my first one of this nature. A buddy of mine is in the military, so we got to do the Mud Run for free. I thought it was pretty steep too, but it sounds like a lot of fun, you get to train for it, and I believe you get a t shirt. Im a sucker for cool t shirts. ;D
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Dang, are registration prices usually so high for things like this? It's going to be $77 from tomorrow to March! I'd love to do that but don't think I could convince the wife.
Yes, sadly. And it's getting worse. If the show is printing money these races are fabricating diamonds. The Warrior Dash I ran was like $50-75 to register and more than 7000 people ran it over two days. Similar races are popping up all over the place each with some slight variation on the 5k obstacle course theme. Fortunately for me I have a comparison point because so many seem to be held at the same spot in MA on the same course. A little rerouting within the hills, extra obstacles, and the course can go from easy to wtf pretty fast. The Warrior Dash and the Spartan Race were in the same location but the Spartan took me twice as long despite being in far better condition at the time. Run For Your Lives is in the same place next year.
If you check the prices for the zombie run they are even charging spectators $22. Add in $10 to park and one of these races ends up $100 or more.
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Whoa. I didnt notice the spectator price, and the parking fee. I swear, they are freaking vultures man, charging for EVERYTHING. Its unbelievable these days what people get away with when an event like this goes on. Chargning a spectator 22 bucks?! Thats blasphemy.
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Be careful, too, very careful about believing what is listed on the website. I've seen some things clearly detailed on the websites that were nothing like that when you show up. The Spartan Kids' race is a good example. The website listed it as a half mile, on part of the adult course, and the price was $18. My ten year old actually trained for it. It turned out to be about 200 yards, in the parking lot, with some tires and crappy obstacles. And they wanted $20. I had to pay since my son had his heart set on it but it took him 40 seconds. Even more annoying was they let any kid run so those who had paid ahead of time felt even more ripped off.
By far the best source of info on these races is Youtube. There is a subculture of folks who wear cameras during the race and post the vids to youtube or even have websites discussing the races. Those videos show you exactly what any given race is about with the caveat that they vary by location but the general quality should be the same for the same race. When they had the first Zombie Race there were full length race videos up on Youtube two days later to show us all what the race is really like.
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If you check the prices for the zombie run they are even charging spectators $22. Add in $10 to park and one of these races ends up $100 or more.
If you camp out (which you or I probably wouldn't do) there's no outside food allowed either! Buy their stuff or sneak it in.
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I don't think the zombie thing is a fad and even if it were I don't see the walking dead as being related to that fad. We had a steady diet of zombie movies and comics up until the mid 90's and then it went away for a few years, but now it's back. Video Games are what seem to be fueling their popularity atm so unless capcom goes out of business I think we are good for a while. That being said, the walking dead is a tv show... the first and only zombie tv show. That alone will keep it afloat long enough... just look at supernatural. At the time it was the only "x-files like" tv show on the air at the time and it's on season 6 or something. That show isn't exactly shakesphere either.
And then again AMC has only recently went into the tv series business and they aren't exactly known for long series runs. They don't seem to be the type of channel to milk a show past it's prime just to make money. I'm guessing two more seasons.
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I figure the show won't last a lot longer than season 3 if there even is one. I'll have plenty of time to read the comics then.
http://screenrant.com/the-walking-dead-season-3-amc-sandy-137627/ (http://screenrant.com/the-walking-dead-season-3-amc-sandy-137627/)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/amc-renews-walking-dead-season-3-249366 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/amc-renews-walking-dead-season-3-249366)
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Getting back on topic, how awesome is Darrel? When I saw the "scenes for next week" last week I thought to myself "Man some Rambo ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- is going down next week" and boy was I right! Pulls the arrow out THE WRONG WAY and still manages to shoot the zombie. That's a man right there.
How do you figure he pulled it out THE WRONG WAY?? He pulled the fletchings thru his side, you think he should have pulled the arrowhead backwards thru his side? The way he did it was the only way to pull it out without ripping himself apart AND still be able to use the arrow. If the arrow is almost thru or all the way thru, he did it the right way.
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I'm with Howard on the pulling the arrow out the wrong way assessment. It's clearly a target point which is the same diameter of the shaft. If it were a broad head it would be a different story.
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Ever try to pull your own shirt off with injured ribs? Damn near impossible. Now multiply that by a brazilian. It would not have been possible to pull it out himself from behind. I don't think it had anything to do with the arrow's orientation. He was too injured to reach all the way behind himself and pull from that direction.
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I'm with Howard on the pulling the arrow out the wrong way assessment. It's clearly a target point which is the same diameter of the shaft. If it were a broad head it would be a different story.
I didn't notice it was a target point, I stand corrected, but I believe Chad is right, no way he was reaching behind to pull it out.
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That scene was excellent. Really gave a good idea of his adrenaline rush.
Although what a dumb zombie, eating his shoe? That's not zombie food
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Ever try to pull your own shirt off with injured ribs? Damn near impossible. Now multiply that by a brazilian. It would not have been possible to pull it out himself from behind. I don't think it had anything to do with the arrow's orientation. He was too injured to reach all the way behind himself and pull from that direction.
The brazilian made me laugh Chad. :lol Yeah that was a brutal scene but it was pretty good. I was hoping for a zombified animal like a bear or something when the bushes were shaking. That would have been cool for Nicotero to tackle a zombie-bear.
Back to Hershel hoarding the zombies. Do you think they are family members?
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I'm still waiting on the movie that shows someone attracting zombies to turn them into zombiediesel.
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My guess the zombies are probably townsfolk, family, friends, etc. Hershel probably is against killing zombies since they are still people from his perspective. It makes sense if you think about how he has been so anti gun on his farm.
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It makes sense if you think about how he has been so anti gun on his farm.
And how disgusted/devastated his daughter was when they smashed the head in on the well zombie.
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My guess the zombies are probably townsfolk, family, friends, etc. Hershel probably is against killing zombies since they are still people from his perspective. It makes sense if you think about how he has been so anti gun on his farm.
Or maybe he has enough common sense to see how many people are being accidentally shot.
Or maybe it's his way of demilitarizing the guests.
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HA!
I think Vigo has read the comic. Cheater! heh
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HA!
I think Vigo has read the comic. Cheater! heh
Ok so when you quote the spoilers, you can still read em. Didnt know that lol. I kinda thought they were going to be Zombie enforcer kind of agents. Like "get off my property or I release the zombies" then he could herd em up again. :dunno
I still think that chick is hot though man. Damn.
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Oh...sorry about that Mikezilla. I specifically put them in spoiler tags so that you wouldn't read them. LOL
It doesn't make or break the story though.
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I think Vigo has read the comic. Cheater! heh
I actually haven't read the comic yet. I just can't think of more than a couple reasons why a farmer/vet would keep a barn of zombies.
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Oh...sorry about that Mikezilla. I specifically put them in spoiler tags so that you wouldn't read them. LOL
It doesn't make or break the story though.
I just read Vigo's spoiler tags, I cant help it Bootay haha. So, thats the reason?! That kind of sucks, I was hoping for something more dynamic.
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Vigo: You are dead on the money with everything you typed. At least in the comic...not sure if the show will go another direction.
Mikezilla: Sorry...nope. It wasn't a huge deal in the comic. It was just his logic at first but he soon realizes that he is wrong so it's not like a big part of any story really. At least in the comic. It was just another excuse to have more zombie chaos and show how different others think about the situation. Not sure why he would think that if there was a cure found these things would be alright. I mean some of them have their guts hanging out and ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. LOL
Anyway...I will stop. I revealed enough. The show is different in a lot of ways so anything goes still. They could still decide to go another way with it.
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The reason hershel has zombies in the barn is he believes there is a cure remember when he showed rick the ridge and he was saying how humans have overcome plagues he seems to believe once there is a cure they can be saved.
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And here I was being so careful with the spoiler tags. LOL
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Haha bootay, I know. Forget the spoiler tags from now on. Thats the only logical thing I could think of, was that if there ever is a cure, he could save them.
The first season was so long ago, do we know how the zombie's even started? Same as usual, some sort of biological weapon got out and caused the outbreak? Or do they never say?
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They never say. No one knows. This goes for both the show and the comic.
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They never say. No one knows. This goes for both the show and the comic.
Ah. Thank you for that. :cheers:
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I am not done with the comic yet though, so that could change.
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Hurry up and read it so I dont have to buy the compendiums. ;)
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Following the Romero tradition, you will never know the cause of the outbreak (I prefer it that way). Anyone who points to Romero movies saying the cause are actually pointing to speculation within the movies, not the actual cause.
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Following the Romero tradition, you will never know the cause of the outbreak (I prefer it that way). Anyone who points to Romero movies saying the cause are actually pointing to speculation within the movies, not the actual cause.
I suppose Im on the fence on this one. I think part of the creativity in the Zombie genre comes from saying how the outbreak actually happened. Typically its a disease yadda yadda, but I at least would like a montage on what happened, how the military reacted, etc. I dunno, I dont like how stuff "just happens". Thats part of the reason why I didnt like that Children of Men movie...They never explained why the women couldnt have children. It kind of lessens the impact of the tone of the movie if they just state things that the whole movie revolves around.
That blonde chick is freaking annoying, I hope she gets eaten soon.
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That blonde chick is freaking annoying, I hope she gets eaten soon.
Andrea? She's going nowhere. Last night gave a glimpse into her future as the badass sniper she becomes.
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Following the Romero tradition, you will never know the cause of the outbreak (I prefer it that way). Anyone who points to Romero movies saying the cause are actually pointing to speculation within the movies, not the actual cause.
I suppose Im on the fence on this one. I think part of the creativity in the Zombie genre comes from saying how the outbreak actually happened. Typically its a disease yadda yadda, but I at least would like a montage on what happened, how the military reacted, etc. I dunno, I dont like how stuff "just happens". Thats part of the reason why I didnt like that Children of Men movie...They never explained why the women couldnt have children. It kind of lessens the impact of the tone of the movie if they just state things that the whole movie revolves around.
I am in the camp that there should be at least something. It is kinda dumb that they don't know and don't even bother asking around. It would be cool if they at least heard different rumors wherever they went, or if the origin was slowly unfolded as the series progresses. I kinda wish there was more plot unveiled when they were at the CDC.
That blonde chick is freaking annoying, I hope she gets eaten soon.
Haha, I wish she just fried herself at the CDC. I hope she gets better as a character, but she has just been nothing but annoying up to this point. I just try to brace myself for her weekly tantrum.
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It is kinda dumb that they don't know and don't even bother asking around.
Which I'm sure the group discussed during the period of Rick's coma....which we didn't see.
It would be cool if they at least heard different rumors wherever they went
If they follow the comic, it'll happen.
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Saturday was a Walking Dead marathon for me.
It looks like they're getting back to the comic. Too bad, I was starting to like the new Shane and I liked not knowing what's next.
Although Daryl didn't go nuts like he did when he got lost in the comics. Without the other bits, cutting off the ears and being crazed when he got back to the farm didn’t even make sense.
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Darryl isn't in the comic.
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Saturday was a Walking Dead marathon for me.
It looks like they're getting back to the comic. Too bad, I was starting to like the new Shane and I liked not knowing what's next.
Although Daryl didn't go nuts like he did when he got lost in the comics. Without the other bits, cutting off the ears and being crazed when he got back to the farm didn’t even make sense.
Are you confused or something because Daryl isn't in the comics. Well at least not yet, I think they finally stuck him in the tale-end of issue 91
He cut off the ears as trophies to prove his dominance over his enemies. It's a very ancient and almost instinctual tradition.
He was crazed because he was in extreme pain and probably suffering from an infection and a decent amount of blood loss.
Just like in the comics, Shane was a first class a-hole from the very first appearance. How anyone could like that POS is beyond me. I'm not sure how you couldn't see every single solitary thing he's done thus far miles ahead of time. The character on the show is a cliche villian with minutes of fore-shadowing prior to every action and that's why he needs to go.
I'm not condeming you for your opinion at all, I just find it extremely frustrating that I can predict the general plot of every single solitary show I've ever watched and yet lots of others get to be suprised by the plot twists. It is NOT FUN to be such an expert of the tropes and cliches of film and television.... I can spot a bad plot point, bad acting or poor character development a mile away. It's why I'm so hard on tv shows and films.
As for the whole zombie origin thing, just hope that we NEVER find out. Why? Well in any series or movie when they discover the cause of the disaster you are officially thrown into the third act and it's just a matter of time before the show is over.
On a purely personal note I think it's good for the survivors to seek answers and to even find some obsure bits of info or such and even have story lines built around seeking the truth, but they should never find any real answers. The reason is simple... that bit of mystery leaves things for the viewer to wonder and for the writers to explore and exploit that mystery. Once all the answers are known nothing interesting can be done anymore without it feeling pointless.
I will point out this though:
1. Rick got that tidbit of info just before they left the CDC
2. Judging by the last episode, we can assume that the info was NOT about his wife being pregnant.
So I would say that Rick knows a little about the plague but he's withholding the info because at this point it is useless to the group and would hurt morale.
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I'm not condeming you for your opinion at all, I just find it extremely frustrating that I can predict the general plot of every single solitary show I've ever watched and yet lots of others get to be suprised by the plot twists. It is NOT FUN to be such an expert of the tropes and cliches of film and television.... I can spot a bad plot point, bad acting or poor character development a mile away. It's why I'm so hard on tv shows and films.
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I might be confusing daryle with someone else.
I thought Daryl got lost in the woods for weeks went crazy and started eating the zombies he killed. He did keep their ears for trophies, but when he returned he and dozens of ears, not just two.
That's also how they figured out that the zombies aren't infectious after their brain is dead. Making the well water with the zombie guts and any other wells connected to that well clean enough to drink.
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I love the show, I just have a few questions. How come there are dead people that aren't zombies? Do the Zombies eventually expire? Are these people that killed themselves before they got bit, and is it the case that you can only get zombified if bitten while you are alive? Why don't the zombies eat the dead people, or each other?
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I've watched every episode since season 1 began, haven't even seen one of the comics. I think the show is retarded. They don't take into account blood borne pathogens, apparently zombies can't smell fresh blood, random cars turned upside down in between cars that aren't damaged, heards of zombies walking the interstates... And what about when Carl found the pack of knives in the truck? He had to reach over a rotting dead guy, why the hell would the guy sit in his truck to die? And to die sitting up at that. Yeah, it's a zombie show, but make the thing more realistic! I hate the show, but for some reason, I HAVE to watch it. I'm just glad Hell On Wheels is on after it now.
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And what about when Carl found the pack of knives in the truck? He had to reach over a rotting dead guy, why the hell would the guy sit in his truck to die?
Yeah, I have wondered about the dead (but not zombified or eaten) people too. I love the show, but the more I love a show, the more the inconsistencies bug me. For instance, that old farm house is (oddly) safe, and yes there is a doctor there, but they act there is no other secure compound they could find in the whole southeast. Likewise, I don't feel like we developed any feelings for the lost girl before she went missing.
And my 2 cents, I love they don't explain the cause of all of it. I much like in The Road, I think it helps focus the story on the characters within the mythos, instead of the mythos itself.
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And what about when Carl found the pack of knives in the truck? He had to reach over a rotting dead guy, why the hell would the guy sit in his truck to die?
Yeah, I have wondered about the dead (but not zombified or eaten) people too. I love the show, but the more I love a show, the more the inconsistencies bug me. For instance, that old farm house is (oddly) safe, and yes there is a doctor there, but they act there is no other secure compound they could find in the whole southeast. Likewise, I don't feel like we developed any feelings for the lost girl before she went missing.
And my 2 cents, I love they don't explain the cause of all of it. I much like in The Road, I think it helps focus the story on the characters within the mythos, instead of the mythos itself.
Same here, wondering about the dead that arent zombified. I was wondering if the zombies jump on people and eat ALL of them, how are there so many zombies? Wouldnt the people have to get bit, then get away, then turn into a zombie? Im over the whole girl thing, they have dragged it on WAAAYY too long. Not only did you develop any feelings for the girl, you dont feel sorry for her because she is so stupid. How could she not find the highway, Rick gave her specific instructions... I hope she comes back as a zombie. I actually want her to be dead. The mom too. And the blonde chick. And the whore wife.
Im still annoyed the black dude lived from that "cut" he sustained. That was ridiculous. ::)
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I might be confusing daryle with someone else.
I thought Daryl got lost in the woods for weeks went crazy and started eating the zombies he killed. He did keep their ears for trophies, but when he returned he and dozens of ears, not just two.
That's also how they figured out that the zombies aren't infectious after their brain is dead. Making the well water with the zombie guts and any other wells connected to that well clean enough to drink.
I don't know where you are getting ANY of that stuff man. It is mentioned quite explicitly that there are 5 wells on Hershel's property and the one with the walker in it is the one he was going to have Rick's group use. Nobody ever drank from that particular well. I don't remember the scene you are talking about in the book, but then again we are 91 episodes and I think about 5 years in. Can't remember anything.
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The dead that aren't zombified are the dead whose brain was destroyed for any reason I would imagine. Where I am in the comic there are hints of zombies getting weaker for an unknown reason, and the group suspects it might be lack of food but they aren't certain why. Not sure if they touch on that later.
I am on issue 65 and there is NO Daryl in the comics, and the whole storyline you mentioned about him hasn't happened yet. If it does later, and it is the Daryl character, I fail to see why they needed to introduce his character in the TV show so damned early. Also the well scene and the lost girl storylines don't happen in the comic either. (thank god)
The comic I feel is a much better storyline..and they focus less on the zombies and more on how ---smurfy--- the living have become since the dead started walking the Earth.
This season has dragged on the little girl and Hershel's farm for far too long. It might be because of the massive budget cuts that AMC forced upon this season. (like $250,000 per episode or something crazy like that). Maybe they are dragging it on till Season 3 and hoping AMC will give them the budget back so they can continue. Things are about to get much bigger and they will need more money if they continue to follow the comic. Hershel's farm was only about 3-4 issues...we are like 6 episodes in and they are still there. Sure..the comic skips ahead in time a bit while they waited for Carl to heal...but so did the show. I hope AMC gives them the budget back.
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It might be because of the massive budget cuts that AMC forced upon this season. (like $250,000 per episode or something crazy like that). Maybe they are dragging it on till Season 3 and hoping AMC will give them the budget back so they can continue.
Next episode is the "mid-season finale". WTF is that? A finale in the middle of the season!? Come on. So lame.
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A lot of shows do the mid-season finale now. It usually only lasts a couple of months. Still annoying though.
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Hell yeah its annoying, especially when it took a full year for the second season anyway. They have also had more commercial breaks if you ask me. It felt like I was watching a movie last season, now there are so many commercials...
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I do think the search for the girl is going a little long, it kind of works though, if it builds to a face off between those that think the search should continue and those that don't, which would be interesting because at that point, those that don't want to keep looking would be forced to leave as it is obvious that whatever deal they have to stay there is between Rick and Herschel, that is why I am guessing there is no real push to call off the search, because everyone is fat and happy on the farm and any excuse to stay there is as good as any.
I can see how the farm isn't overrun. My understanding is that its in butt----fudgesicle--- nowhere, surrounded by fences.
I am guessing the zombies only eat living things? That is why they haven't eaten the corpses?
I haven't read the comics, I think Daryl is the best character on the show, glad he is on it.
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I agree that Daryl is the best character in the show. He is not in the comics though. I was sort of bummed about that at first.
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A lot of shows do the mid-season finale now. It usually only lasts a couple of months. Still annoying though.
Better to have more episodes in February and March instead of waiting until October again.
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Mid-season finales have been around for AGES and practically every single solitary drama has a mid-season finale. The reason actually makes a lot of sense.... tv networks found that the ratings for shows dramatically decrease between thanksgiving and new years. People are busy with the holidays and/or watching christmas specials and don't watch their regular shows.
They usually stop airing a show around thanksgiving (even if they don't officially call it a mid-season finale) and pick it up again mid-Jan. Unfortunately AMC, BBC and some of the odd-ball networks sure do stretch this out with their second half of the season not starting until spring.
About the points:
Zombies indeed only eat living things, this is why they fed them live chickens instead of killing them first. This is actually true in the animal kingdom.... some species refuse to eat anything dead unless you practically cram it down their throat.
People die for various reasons besides zombies. Starvation, suicide, carbon-monoxide posioning (the likely cause of the dead in the sub-burb given the fire downstairs), other people, heat stroke, old age ect....
Typically a zombie is indeed made when a person is bitten and gets away. This is a very efficient delivery method, at least initially. Think about it, one zombie or a few zombies aren't a threat.... you are suprised, get bit and easily run away and/or kill your attackers. You then re-join your little group and you appear "sick." Everyone falls asleep for the night, you die and turn and then go around eating everyone in your sleep. You probably aren't going to last, but you've probably managed to bite at least two or three people before you off you... and the cycle continues until in a society that lacks any communication, your group determines for themselves that a bite turns a person.
It could go either way with the farm. On the one hand it is psuedo isolated (not THAT isolated as it's just off the interstate going out of Atlanta) and there is a large buffer of land between the house and civilization. On the other hand, the interstate is just a mile away and if you've ever been on a farm, they stretch the definition of a fence to it's limits.... they are generally nothing more than some logs stuck into the ground with a bit of wire linking them. Sure it'll hold in your livestock because horses/cows/ect are weary of crossing fences, but it wouldn't hold out people.
In general though, walkers just wouldn't have any reason to wander so far off the beaten path to the farm. There isn't anything keeping them out, they just don't have any reason to go there.
This is something that has always bothered me about zombie films/ect.... They act like you have to go to alaska or an island or something to escape the zombies. That's just silly. In the North America at least there are TONS of out-of-the way places with a decent climate, little to no people, and virgin woods.
The problem though is globilization has made the entire world incapable of living off the grid. If the zombie apocalypse hits, you don't need to worry about weapons, you need to learn about farming and have tons of usable seed and people talented enough to get the stuff growing without fertilizer and pesticides and genetically manipulated starter plants. Oh and how to survive without a power plant and water treatment plant.
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Zombies indeed only eat living things, this is why they fed them live chickens instead of killing them first. This is actually true in the animal kingdom.... some species refuse to eat anything dead unless you practically cram it down their throat.
Really? You actually believe this? Most predators actually kill their meals before eating them. A lot of predators are also opportunistic scavengers and will feed off something that has been dead for a while. It takes months to pick a whale carcass clean off the bottom of the ocean. Many animals are necrophagists.
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One question - that I'm too lazy to go back through my comics for - wasn't Shane dead by this point in the comic? And nice twist on flat out telling Rick she slept with Shane. He says never to tell him in the comic.
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Correct me if im wrong, but...
I thought the comic was set where if anybody died, they came back as a zombie... That was one of the great points i loved about the series...
Also I cant wait for The Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla Lord Humongus to show up and tell Rick to walk away, just walk away...
(http://images.wikia.com/roadwarrior/images/a/ab/Lord_Humungus.jpg)
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I dont understand why they feel the need to feed them anyway. If they had read the Zombie Survival guide, like they should have, then they would havee known that zombies dont consume the flesh of the living for nourishment.
Vigo was right too, it was just cause they were family members, which I get, but still, its kinda lame. I was hoping for a cooler reason than "they are still people" kind of thing. I knew the blonde chick and shane were going to hook up, it was obvious, but I didnt think she was going to do it like that. :lol
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One question - that I'm too lazy to go back through my comics for - wasn't Shane dead by this point in the comic? And nice twist on flat out telling Rick she slept with Shane. He says never to tell him in the comic.
Yeah, he's on borrowed time ATM.
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Zombies indeed only eat living things, this is why they fed them live chickens instead of killing them first. This is actually true in the animal kingdom.... some species refuse to eat anything dead unless you practically cram it down their throat.
Really? You actually believe this? Most predators actually kill their meals before eating them. A lot of predators are also opportunistic scavengers and will feed off something that has been dead for a while. It takes months to pick a whale carcass clean off the bottom of the ocean. Many animals are necrophagists.
I think you missed the "some" in my statement. Of course many predators eat dead things, that wasn't my point. The point was that there are species that avoid/aren't attracted to dead carcases. This is because a lot of predators, like ourselves can get ill by the diseases and bacteria found on a rotting corpse. It's common sense really.
Whales aren't a great example of what you were getting at btw because they are an aquatic creature (the rules are different in the ocean), they are mostly blubber, which doesn't rot as quickly as other flesh, they are HUGE and the cold salt water preserves the corpse a lot longer than one rotting out in the sun.
It's also common sense that when I said that zombies eat "live" food that they START to eat the food when it's alive. The victim would be dead from the first bite or two, it doesn't mean that they walk away and live the rest to rot. Zombies, like most predators are more likely to go after live, preferably injured food then something that isn't moving because their senses are limited to that of a human... a human that's partially rotted to boot. It isn't that they wouldn't eat a recently killed chicken, for example, it's that they couldn't FIND the chicken without it squaking about. Again this is also true in the animal kingdom... just try catching a fish with a live, wriggling worm vs a dead one.
garnerb350: Nope you are wrong. Go back and re-read.
Mikezilla:
Of course these are pretend creatures, so we can only just speculate, but the virus/plauge/wrath of Khan/whatever that reanimates the dead probably causes the urge to eat things as a means to spread the infection. Also in the Walking Dead universe the Romero Films and the "hollywood zombie" just don't exist. This is why they are referred to as "walkers" and not zombies because there they don't equate the terms in their world. So the survivial guide (which is awesome) doesn't exist there.
The reason they are feeding them is because Hershel is crazy. He thinks they can be "cured" and thus he's trying to keep them nourished. Crazy is the only explaination because any normal person would give up on the feeding once they turned green and their faces started falling off.
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Howard,
I have just spent the last 2 weeks reading all of the comics and am currently still reading them, and garnerb350 is right actually. Anyone who dies, bitten or not becomes a zombie. Unless you were referring to something else garner350 said. Also, in the comic they do refer to them as "zombies". Walkers and roamers for the most part, but they do say "zombies" occasionally.
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I think you missed the "some" in my statement. Of course many predators eat dead things, that wasn't my point. The point was that there are species that avoid/aren't attracted to dead carcases. This is because a lot of predators, like ourselves can get ill by the diseases and bacteria found on a rotting corpse. It's common sense really.
Whales aren't a great example of what you were getting at btw because they are an aquatic creature (the rules are different in the ocean), they are mostly blubber, which doesn't rot as quickly as other flesh, they are HUGE and the cold salt water preserves the corpse a lot longer than one rotting out in the sun.
It's also common sense that when I said that zombies eat "live" food that they START to eat the food when it's alive. The victim would be dead from the first bite or two, it doesn't mean that they walk away and live the rest to rot. Zombies, like most predators are more likely to go after live, preferably injured food then something that isn't moving because their senses are limited to that of a human... a human that's partially rotted to boot. It isn't that they wouldn't eat a recently killed chicken, for example, it's that they couldn't FIND the chicken without it squaking about. Again this is also true in the animal kingdom... just try catching a fish with a live, wriggling worm vs a dead one.
I'll give you the whale in the water thing, but a grizzly bear will bury a half eaten elk (an elk they didn't origianally kill) carcass and come back to it a week later to finish it off. Why would zombies need to worry about diseases and bacteria from the food they eat? I catch fish all the time with out live bait, like ice fishing for trout with Powerbait. Fish have a very good sense of smell. Still don't understand why a zombie wouldn't eat rotting flesh, nasty, smelly, rotting flesh.
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I think you missed the "some" in my statement. Of course many predators eat dead things, that wasn't my point. The point was that there are species that avoid/aren't attracted to dead carcases. This is because a lot of predators, like ourselves can get ill by the diseases and bacteria found on a rotting corpse. It's common sense really.
Whales aren't a great example of what you were getting at btw because they are an aquatic creature (the rules are different in the ocean), they are mostly blubber, which doesn't rot as quickly as other flesh, they are HUGE and the cold salt water preserves the corpse a lot longer than one rotting out in the sun.
It's also common sense that when I said that zombies eat "live" food that they START to eat the food when it's alive. The victim would be dead from the first bite or two, it doesn't mean that they walk away and live the rest to rot. Zombies, like most predators are more likely to go after live, preferably injured food then something that isn't moving because their senses are limited to that of a human... a human that's partially rotted to boot. It isn't that they wouldn't eat a recently killed chicken, for example, it's that they couldn't FIND the chicken without it squaking about. Again this is also true in the animal kingdom... just try catching a fish with a live, wriggling worm vs a dead one.
I'll give you the whale in the water thing, but a grizzly bear will bury a half eaten elk (an elk they didn't origianally kill) carcass and come back to it a week later to finish it off. Why would zombies need to worry about diseases and bacteria from the food they eat? I catch fish all the time with out live bait, like ice fishing for trout with Powerbait. Fish have a very good sense of smell. Still don't understand why a zombie wouldn't eat rotting flesh, nasty, smelly, rotting flesh.
Considering that zombies don't need to eat to survive, it's really just a means to spread the disease, it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't go after anything that was dead.
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That's a great point. But then why continue to consume the whole body of the victim?
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That's a great point. But then why continue to consume the whole body of the victim?
Could be explained a couple of ways. First it could be a feeding frenzy mentality similar to sharks. Second it could be the zombie disease (or whatever it is) tells their body to consume living flesh, and since flesh doesn't instantly die when the heart stops beating, it makes sense for them to continue eating for 15-30 minutes after the kill.
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Considering that zombies don't need to eat to survive
Watched a lot of zombie movies but never heard this. Sometimes you see zombies that are dying, possibly of starvation.
One thing I couldn't figure out was the dude that hung himself only to turn into a zombie and have his legs eaten off. If he was bite before he hung himself, dies, turns, then zombies ate his zombie legs. If he hung himself not bitten and didn't die, well he's an idiot I guess. Then he was stuck and zombies came along, ate his legs and turned him. Seems far fetched.
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Considering that zombies don't need to eat to survive
Watched a lot of zombie movies but never heard this. Sometimes you see zombies that are dying, possibly of starvation.
What did the zombie in the bottom of the well eat, or the zombie that hung himself? Zombies with most of the body missing, including their stomaches, still seem to survive just fine.
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Howard,
I have just spent the last 2 weeks reading all of the comics and am currently still reading them, and garnerb350 is right actually. Anyone who dies, bitten or not becomes a zombie. Unless you were referring to something else garner350 said. Also, in the comic they do refer to them as "zombies". Walkers and roamers for the most part, but they do say "zombies" occasionally.
Come to think of it there was a thing about halfway through the books where something like that happened, BUT I remember seeing corpses in the books as well. The only explaination would be that some people are immune. I suppose it could also be zombies that people killed. They would rot normally after they are killed I would assume. To be honest though it was only mentioned in a short part of the books though and I think it was just bad writing to give Rick an excuse to go back and make his peace over Shane being shot as it was never really brought up again.
They refer to them as zombies because the writers gave up. Initially they explicity tried to not use the term for the reasons I explained before but the editors kept catching them using the term out of habit, sent it back to them and they had to fix it. It delayed production and on top of that it got old real fast. Because of all of this they eventually gave up and just tried not to use the term, and if it slips in "oh well". This was explained in numerious interviews as well as the "talk back" letters at the end of the comics.
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What did the zombie in the bottom of the well eat, or the zombie that hung himself? Zombies with most of the body missing, including their stomaches, still seem to survive just fine.
The first kept hydrated, that's more important than food :)
Valid points though and I was thinking of more "infected person" than "undead" in the starvation thing
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Howard: It may have started out as a way to give Rick closure, but I am on issue 70 something and it still happens whenever someone dies. They always shoot the dead whether bitten or not. :dunno
I don't read the letters pages so I wasn't aware of the zombie thing. And they don't refer to them as zombies very often. And it was mostly in the beginning.
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Now this is where it gets confusing...I think alot of us take on the "ideas" of different writers/stories/movies and we can get confused by taking it all in....
As for myself, I stand by the Romero idea... Zombies are created by biting a living person, /and or by transfer of saliva/blood pathogen, etc...(which the zombies or "Ghouls" were somewhat created by the radiation of a space probe) if you remember in NOTLD the zombies ate anything living...( the zombies tore the body and you see them eating the intestines etc...and then the one zombie who took the bug off the tree)... Now Russo ( who helped Romero with NOTLD) when he parted ways with George, he made the ROTLD series...It was him who made the idea of zombies wanting brains only...(stating eating the brains quells the pain that the dead feel)
Now in Max Brooks Survival Guide... Bodies of the Undead should last an average of 5 years, before rotting/drying up to dust...(depending on climate/weather)
Now in the Walking dead comics The dead followed the Romero rule... and my interpretation was that there is some type of airborne virus that becomes active when a person dies...
What did the zombie in the bottom of the well eat, or the zombie that hung himself? Zombies with most of the body missing, including their stomachs, still seem to survive just fine.
The first kept hydrated, that's more important than food :)
Nacho is correct....Hydration is the key... The zombie in the well was bloated by being in the water for a long period of time... (oh and the makeup was on point...When i was in Navy, we retrieved a body that was in the ocean for 2 weeks... and words cant comprehend how that body looked..) Look at the Bicycle Zombie...she was missing her lower torso...and she was still ticking...as long as the brain was operating, the zombie will continue...
The zombie hung in a tree...that could be several possibilities there... 1.) He was infected and hung himself before he turned... 2.) He could have been with a party and they took him out before he could attack... or zombies could have came and turned him) :dunno
But as for the series , I wanted to question why they have dead bodies... When Carl opened the truck door and took the tools out of the dead guy truck...I wanted that to be a zombie and attack...
I wonder if the 3rd series would bring in Michonne... just that entrance in the comics, blew me away... ( walking with 2 zombies with their jaws and arms missing)
What really crazy, is if they are trying to be realistic with the whole zombie apocalypse mess...Why havent we seen zombie animals?...Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, Lassie just eaten Timmy!!! :laugh2:
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Good I didn't have to reply this time. :D What he said.
The whole "zombies eat brains" thing really makes me mad because it doesn't make any sense. First off I guarantee you that most people have only seen one of the Russo films (the original ROTLD) if they have seen any of them and even if they have seen the rest they probably find them to be the crap that they are. And yet somehow that first film (which was actually pretty darn good) managed to have such an impact that the majority of the culture think that zombies crave brains. Here's the ridiculousness of that concept: Humans have VERY weak jaws and very small teeth... I don't think a strong, healthy person could even bite through a human skull. There are no scenes in his films with the zombies using tools to try to crack the old coconut either. On top of that, the zombies in Russo's films are usually pretty beat up, even assuming a healthly living person could bite through a skull, one of his zombies couldn't.
I need to point out some inconsistances with garner's summary though. It's true that the original 1968 NOTLD had some zombies eating bugs and other oddities, but Romero points out himself in later interviews that he essentially ret-conns all of that out in his sequels and the official stance of his zombies is that they only bother to eat people and even then only if they haven't turned. This is supported by the fact that in future "dead" films, there are dogs, alligators, ect and the dead don't seem to have any interest in them. But in some of his films he flip-flops and they DO eat animals, so that rule is debatable.
I should also point out that we really don't know how long Romero Zombies last because his films only span the time of a few weeks and everyone is typically dead before the zombies could ever expire. Day of the dead hints at the fact that they had been in the coal mine for months, but other than that, no expiration date. Romero has stated in a few of his interviews that zombies will eventually wear out and fall apart so I'm saying that the Max Brooks time table is pretty accurate for Romero's zombies as well. That being said remember that a zombie plague time-table isn't linear, as pointed out in Max's books. It's around five years from the LAST GROUP TO BE TURNED and since people are constantly being born and being turned, it's a perpetual cycle.
About the zombie animals thing. It's not uncommon for a virus/disease/ect to have different effects on different species. Generally speaking the more specifically a virus effects a species, the less likely it is to have the same effects on other species. Just as an example, AIDS has little or no effect on non-primate species, feline AIDS only effects cats, ect.... I would have to guess that something specific enough to re-active the human brain and cause it to re-animate a corpse is going to be primate only. That being said, I demand zombie monkeys, chimps and Gorillas!!!! ;D
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If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:
Tar-man rules.
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That being said, I demand zombie monkeys, chimps and Gorillas!!!! ;D
Coming to a theater near you... Planet of the Living Dead Apes! With a special reanimated appearance by Charlton Heston.
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If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:
Tar-man rules.
Tar-man might possibly be the greatest thing to ever come out of the zombie genre. They actually had him do a cameo in one of the more recent (and terribly crappy) ROTLD sequels. Updated with modern effects he looked AWESOME!
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If RotLD taught us anything, it's this:
Tar-man rules.
Tar-man might possibly be the greatest thing to ever come out of the zombie genre. They actually had him do a cameo in one of the more recent (and terribly crappy) ROTLD sequels. Updated with modern effects he looked AWESOME!
Yea, I think it was "ROTLD: Rave to the Grave", horrible movie. All of the ROTLD movies sucked after the first one though, but yet I keep watching them. Tar-Man is awesome though. They made a Tar-Man action figure...as soon as I saw it I wanted to buy it.
http://www.urban-collector.com/return-of-the-living-dead-tarman-deluxe-action-figure-may091411.html?kw=return-of-the-living-dead-tarman-deluxe-action-figure-may091411&cmp=gb (http://www.urban-collector.com/return-of-the-living-dead-tarman-deluxe-action-figure-may091411.html?kw=return-of-the-living-dead-tarman-deluxe-action-figure-may091411&cmp=gb)
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Thanks Howard....I knew i was rambling toward the end...glad to see somebody keeping me straight... ;)
YES... Tar-Man was the best... And for the record, I will only watch ROTLD 1-3...the rest were just crappy...(with #3 close behind it)... I plan on getting the action figure also...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_peFk7PpcaEo/SGWE9mS_FMI/AAAAAAAAACA/Nz0K59T4BDo/s1600/zombie_tarman.png)
Watched the mid season finale ( mid-season...really? :badmood:) and seeing Shane unravel and taking charge blew me away...I love how Rick and the rest saw the walkers coming out of the barn and slowly each one took up their guns and started blasting... Then seeing that damn girl Sophia as the last one , just topped the cake... :applaud: Now im just pissed that i have to wait till Feb...
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Dale is really starting to get on my nerves...
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All of the ROTLD movies sucked after the first one though, but yet I keep watching them.
The Return Of The Living Dead 2: Zombie Head-Screwdriver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsR3j1R6wmU#)
Come on you have to admit... one of the best lines form ROTLD2... :laugh2:
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garnerb350: Spoiler much? LOL Anyhow yes I liked it too. Totally wasn't how it went down in the comic. Sophia is still alive as of issue 91 in the comic. I kind of like that the 2 are different though, this way I don't automatically know what's going to happen.
I think that they are doing things different on purpose because they know that they won't be able to follow the comic. Especially when it comes to The Governor/Prison stuff. They might have The Governor character, and they might find and stay in a prison, but I highly doubt that any of the vile/fuked up things that happen during these storylines will make it to the show. If the show makes it that far.
As for ROTLD 2? The movie is tolerable but I hate how they went 100% comedy with it. 3 was awful too...wasn't that the one where the girl zombie had to get body piercings to feel alive or some crap?
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Bootay, yeah as of last night, I like how it starting to span away from the comics...Now my theory for the governor is that I wouldnt be surprised if they make Merrell ( Daryl's brother) as the governor...(hes crazy, he missing a hand, and he hates Rick)
Yeah i hated that they made ROTLD 2 comedy-related...but over the years ive grown accustomed to it... Where else could you have a movie where you have Micheal Jackson Thriller zombie?? LOL
The Return Of The Living Dead 2: Michael Jackson Zombie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hd1zMak2Vg#)
Got to love the cheese factor...
Yeah part 3 was the one where the girl has to experience pain to quell the hunger...
Melinda Clarke was the actress... Only reason why i watched that damn movie...she was hot...
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You know I was complaining about being able to predict the plot points of every damn show and I've got to admit, I didn't see that ending coming. Now Shane going postal and doing something dumb... sure, we were overdue for that, but I assumed that the little girl was kidnapped or lost and the end of the cliffhanger would be them about to give up the search only to pan a reveal of the girl scared and alone.
So good job on the writing thus far, they fooled me and that's pretty damn hard.
That being said, if not for her death being integral to Rick asserting himself as leader, this would have been a meer "shock kill." Randomly killing people to suprise the audience is not a good way to keep us guessing.
As for the whole Governor arc, I think/hope it's impossible for them to do. Having a full-fledged army and an eventual seige by said army would probably be beyond the show's budget and I sure don't want to see a lamer version like that "heard" from the beginning of the season. Also I think the biggest mistake in the comic was to cut off Rick's arm. He's now permenantly gimped and his action sequences will forever suffer from it. On the show this would DEFINATELY be a no-go just due to practical concerns (that's a tough prosthetic to pull off) and if you aren't going to cut off his hand, then there isn't a climax. Well unless you count the death of Rick's wife and baby, but honestly nobody liked them anyway.
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Also I think the biggest mistake in the comic was to cut off Rick's arm.
Comic book spoilers (prison-era):
Kirkman always regretted cutting off Rick's hand. There's no way they would ever do it on the show, if just for budgetary reasons alone.
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I doubt they would ever do cutting Rick's hand on the TV series...and I agree with Howard... the budget restraints alone, would be impossible to do the comic version of the governor... (im betting it would be a smaller type version)...But I know im not the only one thats thinking..."Oh hell, you know Merrell will return"...
He's now permenantly gimped and his action sequences will forever suffer from it.
Howard I see your point, but i only have one word for that...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nOw4e45e3ek/S43-KZLJ02I/AAAAAAAAAPI/GOcEJx5o_lw/s320/mid.ArmyOfDarkness.jpg)
Groovy... ;D
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They actually did that in the Joke version of the comics where Rick awoke from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which caused the zombie plague) and cyborgs.
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They actually did that in the Joke version of the comics where Rick awoke from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which caused the zombie plague) and cyborgs.
Yep...that was in the back of one of the later issues.
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Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two. Never read the comic and won't. This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks. It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action. It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action. It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies. I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.
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The lack of zombie action is actually because of the $250,000 an episode budget cut that AMC gave Season 2.
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It's always budget. And frequently bad budget choices that end up killing something before it's had a chance to solidify.
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Definitely not a perfect show... but I am going to miss it until it comes back! :'(
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Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two. Never read the comic and won't. This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks. It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action. It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action. It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies. I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.
Well you are missing out then. Due to the lack of budget restraints the comic is infinately better than the series. Of course their current situation is kind of lame, but pacing is slow in comics.
I think if you read the comics you would understand better, but the Walking Dead is NOT about the zombies. They are an afterthought 90% of the time in the comics. They just throw some zombie carnage here and there to keep the whole thing from getting boring. They build tension FOREVER and then just when you think "are we going to see any zombies?" the flood gates let loose and it's utter carnage for two or three books.
Myself (and I think many of the Walking Dead fans) feel the opposite to how you do. The first season was fairly terrible. The first couple of episodes were ripped almost directly from the comics, making them predictable to the fans and the last couple went so far into "cliche zombie movie" territory that it wasn't even funny. Season 2 thus far has had much better pacing, more drama, and just enough zombie mayhem to keep things interesting. Also the comic tie-in is getting MUCH looser. It seems that they only visited the farm to pick up a few key characters that are in the books and the rest of the plot (mostly anyway) is totally different.
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Stopped reading at page 4 of this thread because I'm behind an episode or two. Never read the comic and won't. This is the only TV show I've made a point to watch in the past several years except for a few glimpses of stuff here and there...
But...so far for me season two sucks. It's just way too much character development and not enough zombie action. It seems like season one was the test to see if it would make it, and then by surprise it was picked up and the writers scrambled to make some episodes to buy time while they got more zombie stuff happening.
I still like it but it's gonna lose me if there isn't more zombie action. It's like the writers are milking it to make $$$ rather than just torturing the heck out of everyone until some escapes or everyone dies. I don't think people got in to this series because of the drama so much as the intense feeling of stress and freakoutedness they felt in the first season.
Well you are missing out then. Due to the lack of budget restraints the comic is infinately better than the series. Of course their current situation is kind of lame, but pacing is slow in comics.
I think if you read the comics you would understand better, but the Walking Dead is NOT about the zombies. They are an afterthought 90% of the time in the comics. They just throw some zombie carnage here and there to keep the whole thing from getting boring. They build tension FOREVER and then just when you think "are we going to see any zombies?" the flood gates let loose and it's utter carnage for two or three books.
Myself (and I think many of the Walking Dead fans) feel the opposite to how you do. The first season was fairly terrible. The first couple of episodes were ripped almost directly from the comics, making them predictable to the fans and the last couple went so far into "cliche zombie movie" territory that it wasn't even funny. Season 2 thus far has had much better pacing, more drama, and just enough zombie mayhem to keep things interesting. Also the comic tie-in is getting MUCH looser. It seems that they only visited the farm to pick up a few key characters that are in the books and the rest of the plot (mostly anyway) is totally different.
Find myself agreeing with ark and HC in the same week... :dizzy:
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I guess this thread isn't for me so I'll back out. I'm not interested in debating the difference between written and film adaptation. I'm watching the show because I liked the first few episodes. Now I'm losing interest. Reading a book isn't going to change that, so what's the point. If anything it's going to piss me off even more.
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Now I'm losing interest. Reading a book isn't going to change that, so what's the point. If anything it's going to piss me off even more.
Or you could see the potential for the future, based on what happens in the comics.
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Yup that is what I was going to say. If they even loosely base things on the comics all kinds of awesome is going to happen if they make it to fort bragg.
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I finally caught up.
Wow!
Just when I start to lose interest they reel me back in.
To get another zombie fix I watched the webisodes about the life the cut in half zombie woman had just before she was zombied.
It sucked.
even though those episodes sucked, it's still a good idea. Showing us the zombies when they were alive.
To tide us over till next season they could make cheap Flash animations of the prezombie life of the leading zombies. Like the fat guy in the well.
I'd also like to know how long that girl survived on her own and how she was turned.
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John couldn't have been extensive in a coma, at least after the large. I'm I keep in mind right, when Geebet went in try to save John, that was the factor in which the energy went out in the medical and it was removed. So up until the factor in which Geebet came to get John, Lori considered he was in existence. John couldn't have kept in a coma without liquids for more than per weeks time or so.
I don't know how extensive John kept with that one guy and his son, but It didn't seem like more than 3 times.
So that simply actually leaves Lori a recovery duration of 1-2 several weeks highest possible from the factor she imagined he was deceased. She is a that are.
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^^ I couldn't have written it better myself
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She is a that are.
Exactly.
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The only thing I disagree with is this:
I don't know how extensive John kept with that one guy and his son, but It didn't seem like more than 3 times.
Just because I always thought it was four times
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I wish they would make Geebet more like the comic book. Its seems like everything is just different after the large. And John, don't get me started on John...
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LOL WTF is this guy talking about?! :laugh2:
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hey actually did that in the Scam edition of the comic strips where John woke up from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which triggered the zombie plague) and cyborgs.
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hey actually did that in the Scam edition of the comic strips where John woke up from yet another coma and now their are aliens (which triggered the zombie plague) and cyborgs.
I thought his name was Rick...
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His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.
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His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.
Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. If I had been drinking something I would have been pissed cause I would have sprayed it everywhere. :cheers: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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His name WAS Rick, but then he changed it when Gebeet factored in the energy with which the medical went incoherent. You know, after the large.
Wasn't that before the large? I mean, we all know that she is a that are, but since gebeet never considered he was in existence you can't blame him for not saving john more than per weeks time.
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Before the large? You are talking about the medium right? Actually it was the large that convinced Gebeet that John was in existence. that is why he tried to save him, so I don't know if you can fairly say she is a that are during the mediium, but what happens after the large I am talking about the extra large, where Lori shows that she is a that are after getting pissed at John for the extensive that John kept with that guy and his son. Can you believe that? What else was he supposed to do? Just let them rot?
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OK. While I will admit that some of the replies to youngjohn12's postings are indeed quite funny, I think you're most likely breaking rules 1 & 4. THE RULES (http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade_message_rules.html) Let's not be the type of forum that is full of A-Holes that scare of the new guys because they can't string together a coherent sentence.
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Click one of his links, he's here just plugging a website where you do surveys in exchange to see the walking dead comic online. I wouldn't say the rules exactly apply to spam.
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Click one of his links, he's here just plugging a website where you do surveys in exchange to see the walking dead comic online. I wouldn't say the rules exactly apply to spam.
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Well it's a promotional offer, and it's annoying, and I've never seen another post from him on this site (only 2 posts!), so I'm pretty sure it's spam.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
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It also sounds exactly like something that came through an automated translator. The guy probably isn't that dumb. He just doesn't really speak English.
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I have to admit, when I first read his post I was like "Who's John?....did it start back up on Sunday and I forgot?!....coma?!....hmmm" then I started trying to remember a John from the comic and couldn't. Then when I read the replies I was like "Uhhhh...wtf are they....oh wait....they are ---smurfing--- with him...I get it."
Yea, I'm slow in the morning. LOL
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Click one of his links, he's here just plugging a website where you do surveys in exchange to see the walking dead comic online. I wouldn't say the rules exactly apply to spam.
:dunno
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Wait, so its okay to post spam messages linking to a fishing site that uses copyrighted material, but its NOT OK to make fun of that post?
Fine have it your way. Just know that if this ever comes true, Vigo and I are leaving your ass before the large. Good luck dealing with all that is, hopefully you find someone to be that extensive with for many days like John or you are toast buddy
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Wait, so its okay to post spam messages linking to a fishing site that uses copyrighted material, but its NOT OK to make fun of that post?
My bad. I just thought he was an idiot. Know I see the light, he's a spamming idiot!
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I was kind of bored by the episode, but man, that ending was freaking aweome. Rick is totally badass. You could see where that was going too, and he was defendiing himself, the dude was going to try and pop him first, but Rick was faster.
Lori is a stupid ass too by the way. She is starting to get annyoing... ::)
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Lori is a stupid ass too by the way. She is starting to get annyoing... ::)
Have you read the comics? She's a total ---smurfette--- the whole time there.
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Have you read the comics? She's a total ---smurfette--- the whole time there.
:cheers: :applaud:
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but she is slighty less annoying in the comics... because she isn't a whore and she dies rather quickly.
Man that was some quick shooting! I had to go back and check to see the gun!
I like how Dale is slowly driving Shane (more) insaine by just standing around and glaring at him. That's totally what I would do! Just stand there.... and judge..... and make him feel like the garbage that he is until he snaps in front of everybody.
I'm worried about Daryl's character development though. He went so far in the first half and now he's a big jerk again. Hopefully it's just temporary.
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You should add some spoiler tags in there
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I'm worried about Daryl's character development though. He went so far in the first half and now he's a big jerk again. Hopefully it's just temporary.
I wouldn't worry to much about it.
He is pissed that he was lied to for so long about the little girl. Then he gets upset because it feels like noone is to upset about her dieing including her mom. Then add on the fact that he went above and beyond what anyone did for her, barring Rick perhaps.
Knowing what happened to his brother, he is by far the most stand up guy even if he is upset.
He may have some moral toss ups, but when put under pressure I would trust Daryl's pure instinct to act with a higher moral compass than anyone else on the show.
Let me try and clarify, if a pack of walkers wonders in, I see Shane just losing it while he kills them, Rick will try to protect his family first even if his actions could have saved someone else before his family (he prioritizes), but Daryl would do everything in his power to save everyone around him.
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Ok, this isnt so much as to do with the show, but its mostly comics driven, so dont read what I post if you dont want spoilers for the comics. Its nuts how different the show is vs the comics. Thank you so much for Bootay for giving them to me.
Ok, I have been reading the comics like a madman, Im up to issue 50. The writer is insane. I cant beleive the stuff he is putting in there, and to the characters. What the hell happened with the raid to the prison?! Everyone ---smurfing--- dies? Lori and the baby get blown in half?! Thoughts on that?! Its unbelieveable. I almost ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- my pants when rick got his hand cut off but the raid on the prison?! Im kinda bummed that pretty much everyone died. Im going to read on, but its going to have to wait because I have tomorrow off. Im kind of dejected. I have never been so into a comic before. ;D
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I have been reading the comics like a madman
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@Mikezilla:
I know I was shocked at all that too. And all of the horrible things that happen to children. Children getting their heads chopped off, children getting their faces eaten. It's different. Most of it will never make it into the show. I find it hard to believe that the show will touch upon half of what happens in the comic. I am still waiting for Shane to die, and I am wondering if the show will have carl do it like in the comic. Another thing that shocked me when I read the comic was Dale and Andrea....Ick...seriously? Andrea is ---smurfing--- old ass Dale?! LOL
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I like how Dale is slowly driving Shane (more) insaine by just standing around and glaring at him. That's totally what I would do! Just stand there.... and judge..... and make him feel like the garbage that he is until he snaps in front of everybody.
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I think it's very important that Carl is the one to shoot Shane. Carl's transition from a child to a functioning survivor is probably one of the most substantial character developments (though probably also the most natural). Killing Shane is really what jumpstarts that development.
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Interesting. I wonder how this will play out. The actor looks nothing like the character, but I haven't seen him in costume yet.
http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2012/02/david-morrissey-cast-as-the-governor.php (http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2012/02/david-morrissey-cast-as-the-governor.php)
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I dunno.... the governor read as kind of latino to me, but really all he needs is a dirty, scraggly beard and he's all set.
I've got to admit though, he does seem kind of scrawny to play him.... don't get me wrong, the governor is supposed to be skinny, but not "weak skinny" more like physically fit skinny.
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I dunno.... the governor read as kind of latino to me, but really all he needs is a dirty, scraggly beard and he's all set.
I can see that.
I'm still wondering who Michonne (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Michonne_%28TV_Series%29) will be played by. Also how far will AMC go with the... situations involving the governor and Michonne? Maybe they'll just write something completely different. I'm digging how the show isn't a copy & paste from the comic.
Probably offscreen screaming (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NothingIsScarier) followed by suggestive dialog later. Similar to how Merle cut off his own hand with a hack saw and cauterized it on a stove. It's just as horrible by suggesting the action.
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I dunno.... the governor read as kind of latino to me, but really all he needs is a dirty, scraggly beard and he's all set.
I can see that.
I'm still wondering who Michonne (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Michonne_%28TV_Series%29) will be played by. Also how far will AMC go with the... situations involving the governor and Michonne? Maybe they'll just write something completely different. I'm digging how the show isn't a copy & paste from the comic.
I agree. I like how reading the comic did not spoil anything really. Plus I enjoy wondering how they will handle certain things..if they handle them at all.
I like how last night they mentioned that the two cop zombies didn't have bites. This means they are doing the "you become a zombie when you die whether you are bitten or not" just like the comic.
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I like how last night they mentioned that the two cop zombies didn't have bites. This means they are doing the "you become a zombie when you die whether you are bitten or not" just like the comic.
I agree with you the same way, but whats screwy about that is what about all the dead that was all in their vehicles at the beginning of the 2nd season...(Like when Carl reached in the truck to get the Gerber tools/axe/etc)? They should have been reanimated as well...
On a funny side note...the actor playing Rick, I think is awesome... That part at the end of last week (and they recapped it before last night's episode where Lori is explaining to Rick about Shane, and Rick just looks at the camera (like he looking through you)... I was wanting to yell at him..."I didnt do it Rick! I DIDNT DO IT!"....
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I like how last night they mentioned that the two cop zombies didn't have bites. This means they are doing the "you become a zombie when you die whether you are bitten or not" just like the comic.
I agree with you the same way, but whats screwy about that is what about all the dead that was all in their vehicles at the beginning of the 2nd season...(Like when Carl reached in the truck to get the Gerber tools/axe/etc)? They should have been reanimated as well...
On a funny side note...the actor playing Rick, I think is awesome... That part at the end of last week (and they recapped it before last night's episode where Lori is explaining to Rick about Shane, and Rick just looks at the camera (like he looking through you)... I was wanting to yell at him..."I didnt do it Rick! I DIDNT DO IT!"....
Well they have corpses in the comic as well. You've gotta think that whatever re-animates someone isn't going to work on everybody.
I'm glad they finally had their "villian over the cliff" moment. That means that they are setup to kill shane at any time.
What is a "villian over the cliff" moment?
It's a moment in a show that cements why the good guy is a good guy and why a bad guy is a bad guy (we haven't seen the second half yet). They do it in tv and films to death, so much that it's cliche, but the one that always stuck out in my childhood mind is that very special episode of he-man.
He-man and Skeletor are fighting... Skeletor starts falling off the edge fo a cliff. Only holding on with his hands, he begs he-man for help saying that he'll be good. Of course he-man tries to pull him up, but as soon as skeletor gets his footing he tries throwing he-man off the cliff. He-man survives, but skeletor gets away in the process. When he-man rejoins the group man-of-arms (or whoever... hey I was 5) turns to he-man and asks: "Why did you trust him? Why did you try to save him? He's evil! We would have been better off without him." He-man turns to him and says: "I never did trust him and things would have been easier if I just let him fall, but if I had let him fall then I would have been no better than he was." In other words the only way to stay good is to always do the good thing... which isn't always the smart thing or the easiest thing.
Sorry for the long-windedness but This show oozes this theme constantly and I thought it would be a good way to explain my thoughts on the concept.
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Anyone watch talking dead?
After the show they brought up a great point about shane stabbing zombies and then using the knife to cut a big fat deliciously smelly wound in his hand.
Do people not get infected from the blood? I mean seriously, there is already enough blood splatter that you would think everyone is sick, now he is pushing z-blood directly into his skin.
PS.
I really hate that bicth Andrea. Is she supposed to die sometime soon? I feel like Shane could almost behave enough to stay in the group if he didn't have that little witch whispering in his ear all the damn time. Don't really like Lori either, feed that anorexic woman.
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Anyone watch talking dead?
After the show they brought up a great point about shane stabbing zombies and then using the knife to cut a big fat deliciously smelly wound in his hand.
Do people not get infected from the blood? I mean seriously, there is already enough blood splatter that you would think everyone is sick, now he is pushing z-blood directly into his skin.
PS.
I really hate that bicth Andrea. Is she supposed to die sometime soon? I feel like Shane could almost behave enough to stay in the group if he didn't have that little witch whispering in his ear all the damn time. Don't really like Lori either, feed that anorexic woman.
Well it would square up nicely with the 'everyone is already infected anyway' and some people are just immune (and thus turn into the numerous non-animate corpses) if Shane is immune. Not that we'll find out that specific point for him though, I suppose.
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I wish Rick would stop being such a pansy. Shane damn near tried to kill him, and he saw the two cops and got all sentimental. The scene with Rick killing the zombies on top of him was pretty amazing, Im still impressed with the Zombie effects, Greg Nicotero is the man.
Im with you on Andrea being such a ---smurfette---. She is really cool in the comic.
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Well they have corpses in the comic as well. You've gotta think that whatever re-animates someone isn't going to work on everybody.
I see your point, but that there bums me out, :hissy: To me as a reader, it brought more fear to me if that was true where whoever became dead becomes Undead...
Louis.... Yeap that was it!..LOL
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I think I want to change my vote. Shane can live for now. Can we please kill Carl?
R.I.P. Dale
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Wow, I didn't see that coming. (Well, until just before it happened....when Dale said he was going, I knew that zombie was going to be there. Didn't think they'd kill Dale off this quick!)
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why dale ???
I liked his random standing around and judging shane without saying anything lol..
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I knew somebody was going to die. The way they set it up I thought Carl was going to kill the boy in the barn.
Just like when Otis died, this was poorly filmed/written as well, which pisses me off even more.
First off, I don't kow anything about Zombie physics or anything but I've got to think that if you had an ENTIRE COW to eat all to yourself you wouldn't be all to interested in some grizzly old man. Also why was the zombie not setting there eating the cow? What did he do? Go to the trouble of tearing it open eat and single bite and wander off?
Speaking of tearing... I call B.S. on the whole ripping Dale's chest open with it's bare hands. Even if you ignore the fact that zombies are rotten corpses and therefore weaker than a normal person, this particular zombie was so weak that it was stopped by a couple of inches of mudd! You can't rip apart someones stomach without a sharp object anyway. It's too slick, your hands can't get a grip. If he had bit into his stomach sure, but not like that. I think the director had been watching too many Romero movies, which are kind of campy on purpose.
The character was well-loved and the scene was emotional.... there was no reason to cheapen it with such a lame sight gag.
I officially hate Carl now, not just for killing Dale, but for being a little brat in a world where there's no room for such behavior. In the comics he is a mature, likeable little boy. (Even if he is a borderline nut job.) The writers on the show obviously haven't read the comics because this episode gave him nothing but "curious little boy" scenes. Carl is NOT a little boy..... he's Carl damn it!
Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one.
In the comics, the books got progressively worse after Dale died. Considering the show isn't nearly as good as the books, I don't expect much at this point.
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I knew somebody was going to die. The way they set it up I thought Carl was going to kill the boy in the barn.
Just like when Otis died, this was poorly filmed/written as well, which pisses me off even more.
First off, I don't kow anything about Zombie physics or anything but I've got to think that if you had an ENTIRE COW to eat all to yourself you wouldn't be all to interested in some grizzly old man. Also why was the zombie not setting there eating the cow? What did he do? Go to the trouble of tearing it open eat and single bite and wander off?
Speaking of tearing... I call B.S. on the whole ripping Dale's chest open with it's bare hands. Even if you ignore the fact that zombies are rotten corpses and therefore weaker than a normal person, this particular zombie was so weak that it was stopped by a couple of inches of mudd! You can't rip apart someones stomach without a sharp object anyway. It's too slick, your hands can't get a grip. If he had bit into his stomach sure, but not like that. I think the director had been watching too many Romero movies, which are kind of campy on purpose.
The character was well-loved and the scene was emotional.... there was no reason to cheapen it with such a lame sight gag.
I officially hate Carl now, not just for killing Dale, but for being a little brat in a world where there's no room for such behavior. In the comics he is a mature, likeable little boy. (Even if he is a borderline nut job.) The writers on the show obviously haven't read the comics because this episode gave him nothing but "curious little boy" scenes. Carl is NOT a little boy..... he's Carl damn it!
Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one.
In the comics, the books got progressively worse after Dale died. Considering the show isn't nearly as good as the books, I don't expect much at this point.
I thought the same thing, I thought Carl was going to off the dude. Speaking of that, I think that was a stupid plot point to even rescue that dude in the first place. They have wasted 2 episodes dealing with this guy. What the hell did Rick think he was going to do with him anyway? He saved him, brought him to the farm, wasted medicine and supplies on him, then what?! Kinda dumb.
It kinda sucked about Dale, but he was getting a little annoying at the end anyway. His whole "let him live" speech was a little sappy.
Tell you the truth, I thought Shane was gonna die this episode. I understand on what youre saying Howard about the zombie tearing his guts open, but you have to keep in mind, he is an old man, Im sure that would make it easier to rip through. Not only that, but the zombie has the drive to tear into his stomach, who knows what kind of strength takes to do that. I thought the effect was cool nonetheless. I dont understand how Lori doesnt watch Carl. He went to spy on that randall dude, wandered off encountered the zombie, and almost walked in on Rick killing the dude. Its dumb, he is all over the place. Carol is annoying too. Like I mentioned, the main thing that irriatated me was the whole randall character in general. he isnt pleading his case either, they arent giving him any reason NOT to kill him. He hasnt said that he would denounce his other group, or NOT tell them where they are, or work with them etc.
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Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one.
You'll be back. They always come back.
Unless you will be to busy watching the Real Housewives of **Insert Crappy City**
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I knew somebody was going to die. The way they set it up I thought Carl was going to kill the boy in the barn.
Just like when Otis died, this was poorly filmed/written as well, which pisses me off even more.
First off, I don't kow anything about Zombie physics or anything but I've got to think that if you had an ENTIRE COW to eat all to yourself you wouldn't be all to interested in some grizzly old man. Also why was the zombie not setting there eating the cow? What did he do? Go to the trouble of tearing it open eat and single bite and wander off?
Speaking of tearing... I call B.S. on the whole ripping Dale's chest open with it's bare hands. Even if you ignore the fact that zombies are rotten corpses and therefore weaker than a normal person, this particular zombie was so weak that it was stopped by a couple of inches of mudd! You can't rip apart someones stomach without a sharp object anyway. It's too slick, your hands can't get a grip. If he had bit into his stomach sure, but not like that. I think the director had been watching too many Romero movies, which are kind of campy on purpose.
The character was well-loved and the scene was emotional.... there was no reason to cheapen it with such a lame sight gag.
I officially hate Carl now, not just for killing Dale, but for being a little brat in a world where there's no room for such behavior. In the comics he is a mature, likeable little boy. (Even if he is a borderline nut job.) The writers on the show obviously haven't read the comics because this episode gave him nothing but "curious little boy" scenes. Carl is NOT a little boy..... he's Carl damn it!
Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one.
In the comics, the books got progressively worse after Dale died. Considering the show isn't nearly as good as the books, I don't expect much at this point.
I thought the same thing, I thought Carl was going to off the dude. Speaking of that, I think that was a stupid plot point to even rescue that dude in the first place. They have wasted 2 episodes dealing with this guy. What the hell did Rick think he was going to do with him anyway? He saved him, brought him to the farm, wasted medicine and supplies on him, then what?! Kinda dumb.
It kinda sucked about Dale, but he was getting a little annoying at the end anyway. His whole "let him live" speech was a little sappy.
Tell you the truth, I thought Shane was gonna die this episode. I understand on what youre saying Howard about the zombie tearing his guts open, but you have to keep in mind, he is an old man, Im sure that would make it easier to rip through. Not only that, but the zombie has the drive to tear into his stomach, who knows what kind of strength takes to do that. I thought the effect was cool nonetheless. I dont understand how Lori doesnt watch Carl. He went to spy on that randall dude, wandered off encountered the zombie, and almost walked in on Rick killing the dude. Its dumb, he is all over the place. Carol is annoying too. Like I mentioned, the main thing that irriatated me was the whole randall character in general. he isnt pleading his case either, they arent giving him any reason NOT to kill him. He hasnt said that he would denounce his other group, or NOT tell them where they are, or work with them etc.
Nah man, Dale's speech was his finest hour! That wasn't annoying it's the moral lesson that every fan of the show and the comics should be getting. These things that Shane keeps saying are the "smart call" are in reality the cowardly and easy call. You have to always do the right thing, which isn't the smart thing or the easy thing, merely the human thing. If you survive at the expense of your humanity then there's no point in surviving.
I'll glady admit that Rick bringing Darrell back to the farm was stupid, but the solution is NOT to kill the guy. It's just like Dale said, he's probably a bad guy, there are 30 more bad guys back where he came from. Killing him isn't really going to help their situation, they are already screwed, but killing him would make them immoral people and that's far worse than anything he could do to them, even if he breaks loose and hurts/kills some of them.
I have no doubt that them saving the kid is going to bite them in the ass.... hard. But you have to do it, it's the right thing to do. That being said, why in the hell did they just turn around and go back to the farm with him in the episode before last? There was a zombie attack sure.... so drive a few more hours down the road and drop him off somewhere else. The dude just had an iron rod go through his leg... it isn't like he'll make it back to either his old group or the farm anytime soon.
This is a problem I've had with the comics as well as the show. Rick is good... but he's also stupid. Shane is evil... and even more stupid. The only two smart, moral, people are Dale and Glenn and nobody listens to Glenn.
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Nah man, Dale's speech was his finest hour! That wasn't annoying it's the moral lesson that every fan of the show and the comics should be getting. These things that Shane keeps saying are the "smart call" are in reality the cowardly and easy call. You have to always do the right thing, which isn't the smart thing or the easy thing, merely the human thing. If you survive at the expense of your humanity then there's no point in surviving.
I'll glady admit that Rick bringing Darrell back to the farm was stupid, but the solution is NOT to kill the guy. It's just like Dale said, he's probably a bad guy, there are 30 more bad guys back where he came from. Killing him isn't really going to help their situation, they are already screwed, but killing him would make them immoral people and that's far worse than anything he could do to them, even if he breaks loose and hurts/kills some of them.
I have no doubt that them saving the kid is going to bite them in the ass.... hard. But you have to do it, it's the right thing to do. That being said, why in the hell did they just turn around and go back to the farm with him in the episode before last? There was a zombie attack sure.... so drive a few more hours down the road and drop him off somewhere else. The dude just had an iron rod go through his leg... it isn't like he'll make it back to either his old group or the farm anytime soon.
This is a problem I've had with the comics as well as the show. Rick is good... but he's also stupid. Shane is evil... and even more stupid. The only two smart, moral, people are Dale and Glenn and nobody listens to Glenn.
Assuming it isn't in the comics, I don't see the kid or his group being trouble on the farm. Perhaps later down the road they might meet up, and at that point they will still have the kid as a hostage. Then it could be a problem.
It was probably stupid and I am still shocked he just pulled the leg off. I was expecting him to shoot the kid in the head and leave. Ripping it off like that would have crippled randall. I think if they lock him up for a few weeks and let him go, he won't be able to find his group even if he tries. However taking randall back made sense after we found out he knew of the farm and the family that lived there.
I do still think there is one more moral ear left in the camp, Daryl. I find everything he does on the show to be the most sensible while still remaining moral.
There is a line between Shane's ultra-survival mode and Dale's ultra-humanity mode, and the one walking that line so far is Daryl. My only hope is that he takes over some more and leads them instead of abandoning them.
+1 for Daryl in my book.
Plus it might even be possible that Daryl makes the first ever transition as an original character in a TV show based on a comic to the actual comic.
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I am banking that something happens so that they leave the farm, at least I am hoping so, others it will just turn into some ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up little house on the prairie.
I think what is going to happen is that Randall's group invades the farm, and then Randall helps them escape, vindicating Dale. There is no way that Dale dies and ends up being wrong about saving the kid.
It sucks that they killed Dale, he made everything much more interesting, though I did think he was annoying.
I think Darrell has no interest in being a leader, he's a follower, he doesn't like the responsibility of being in charge. He hasn't shown any inclination of trying to take charge.
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I am banking that something happens so that they leave the farm, at least I am hoping so, others it will just turn into some ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up little house on the prairie.
I think what is going to happen is that Randall's group invades the farm, and then Randall helps them escape, vindicating Dale. There is no way that Dale dies and ends up being wrong about saving the kid.
It sucks that they killed Dale, he made everything much more interesting, though I did think he was annoying.
I think Darrell has no interest in being a leader, he's a follower, he doesn't like the responsibility of being in charge. He hasn't shown any inclination of trying to take charge.
I think that character within Daryl makes for a great leader.
A great leader is not someone who wants to lead but someone who when called to lead steps up to the challenge.
It is fair to say that Daryl had the most effed up background of anyone on the show prior to the apocalypse, and yet he somehow seems the most stable and normal of all of them barring Glen.
Also, he is a Boondock Saint.
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Also, he is a Boondock Saint.
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I am just waiting for Gebeet to confront Lori in front of the group so that that they can all see what a that are she is.
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I do still think there is one more moral ear left in the camp, Daryl. I find everything he does on the show to be the most sensible while still remaining moral.
There is a line between Shane's ultra-survival mode and Dale's ultra-humanity mode, and the one walking that line so far is Daryl. My only hope is that he takes over some more and leads them instead of abandoning them.
+1 for Daryl in my book.
Plus it might even be possible that Daryl makes the first ever transition as an original character in a TV show based on a comic to the actual comic.
I like daryl as a character, but unfortunately your logic is flawed. You can't be "sort of moral" either you are or you aren't. If you aren't then you've lost.. case closed. Daryl was going to kill the boy just before Dale got attacked. Now he didn't... maybe Dale's death will be the kick in the pants he needs to travel back on the straight and narrow, but if he's going to start thinking like that then he's probably too far gone.
Also you guys must have not read the comics a lot... the kid will turn out to screw over the group. I think that was my point before and Dale's in his speech, bad things are going to happen anyway, so the least they can do is not turn into bad people. There is no vindication in terms of results... doing the right thing is it's own reward. If you are expecting one then you are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
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I do still think there is one more moral ear left in the camp, Daryl. I find everything he does on the show to be the most sensible while still remaining moral.
There is a line between Shane's ultra-survival mode and Dale's ultra-humanity mode, and the one walking that line so far is Daryl. My only hope is that he takes over some more and leads them instead of abandoning them.
+1 for Daryl in my book.
Plus it might even be possible that Daryl makes the first ever transition as an original character in a TV show based on a comic to the actual comic.
I like daryl as a character, but unfortunately your logic is flawed. You can't be "sort of moral" either you are or you aren't. If you aren't then you've lost.. case closed. Daryl was going to kill the boy just before Dale got attacked. Now he didn't... maybe Dale's death will be the kick in the pants he needs to travel back on the straight and narrow, but if he's going to start thinking like that then he's probably too far gone.
Also you guys must have not read the comics a lot... the kid will turn out to screw over the group. I think that was my point before and Dale's in his speech, bad things are going to happen anyway, so the least they can do is not turn into bad people. There is no vindication in terms of results... doing the right thing is it's own reward. If you are expecting one then you are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
I feel like he still has some moral tendencies even though he was taking part in the execution. Although it was Rick about to kill him until the little brat walked in.
Daryl is constantly asked to make the hard decisions like questioning the kid, and he does that but I just get the feeling he did it for the group instead of for pleasure. Could you imagine if Shane had done the questioning?
There are different shades of morality as well. There is Dale's maintain everything from past life. There is Shane's kill anyone who gets in the way of me surviving no matter how little they may or may not impede me. There is Rick's I can do anything so long a I justify it as protecting my family.
And then there is Daryl's do what I can to ensure other's survive morality. I feel as though his is a more realistic view of the world without abandoning all humanity. I loved Dale's speech but I also hated his lack of offering a workable alternative. Why did he not say lock the boy up for one month and then drop him off in a remote location 50-75 miles away?
I don't think he is the leader now, but I know if called to lead he would do the best in the group. I think he would most likely let the kid go if he called the shots, but with a little more common sense than some bus depot I didn't check for walkers.
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I feel like he still has some moral tendencies even though he was taking part in the execution. Although it was Rick about to kill him until the little brat walked in.
There are different shades of morality as well. There is Dale's maintain everything from past life. There is Shane's kill anyone who gets in the way of me surviving no matter how little they may or may not impede me. There is Rick's I can do anything so long a I justify it as protecting my family.
And then there is Daryl's do what I can to ensure other's survive morality. I feel as though his is a more realistic view of the world without abandoning all humanity. I loved Dale's speech but I also hated his lack of offering a workable alternative. Why did he not say lock the boy up for one month and then drop him off in a remote location 50-75 miles away?
That isn't what I was talking about. Look closely at those reaction shots to Dale's screaming in the last episode. Daryl was standing over the kid about to gut him just before the scream. Even though the group had decided to keep him Daryl was going to kill him anyway. Thankfully he hasn't done anything unforgivable yet, but he is in a real bad place right now. I think you just weren't paying close enough attention to catch it.
There are NOT different shades of morality. Dale's perspective is moral. Shane's is selfish survivalism, no morals involved. Rick's is selectively moral... that isn't true morality. It is true that people can have different morals, but the thing here is that everbody in the group essentially has the same moral values, it's just Shane and to a lesser degree Rick are selectively ignoring them... that's called being immoral. ;)
You can't abandon "some" humanity.... once you start doing that you are automatically acting inhumaine.
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Gentlemen, you speak as if morality is absolute ... and, in that, you are both wrong.
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I feel like he still has some moral tendencies even though he was taking part in the execution. Although it was Rick about to kill him until the little brat walked in.
There are different shades of morality as well. There is Dale's maintain everything from past life. There is Shane's kill anyone who gets in the way of me surviving no matter how little they may or may not impede me. There is Rick's I can do anything so long a I justify it as protecting my family.
And then there is Daryl's do what I can to ensure other's survive morality. I feel as though his is a more realistic view of the world without abandoning all humanity. I loved Dale's speech but I also hated his lack of offering a workable alternative. Why did he not say lock the boy up for one month and then drop him off in a remote location 50-75 miles away?
That isn't what I was talking about. Look closely at those reaction shots to Dale's screaming in the last episode. Daryl was standing over the kid about to gut him just before the scream. Even though the group had decided to keep him Daryl was going to kill him anyway. Thankfully he hasn't done anything unforgivable yet, but he is in a real bad place right now. I think you just weren't paying close enough attention to catch it.
There are NOT different shades of morality. Dale's perspective is moral. Shane's is selfish survivalism, no morals involved. Rick's is selectively moral... that isn't true morality. It is true that people can have different morals, but the thing here is that everbody in the group essentially has the same moral values, it's just Shane and to a lesser degree Rick are selectively ignoring them... that's called being immoral. ;)
You can't abandon "some" humanity.... once you start doing that you are automatically acting inhumaine.
I am gonna have to watch that one again.
But I disagree that the world is black or white. Dale's perspective was moral and stupid. His view was as extreme as Shane's just on the opposite spectrum. Intentionally endangering your own group is immoral as it leads to deaths.
The big problem is that the group is well.....stupid. The logical and moral solution would have been to detain him until you are confident his group has abandoned him. Then take him to a location so far away he will not feel obligated to return. Also ensure you treat him humanely to ensure he does not want to seek out revenge.
In society there must be punishment for crime. The moral view is to turn the other cheek when in reality that can never work. But I suppose if you are anti-capital punishment then you might think Dale's view is the only option.
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You are confusing morality with religion.... they have NOTHING to do with each other.
The moral thing to do isn't to turn the other cheek, that's the christian thing to do... big difference. ;)
Captial punishment is immoral because intentionally killing another person is unacceptable regardless of the situation. We are to interdependant of a species, life is very prescious and we are far too stupid and petty to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. I never have gotten the concept myself... it's even stupid from a logical perspective. When you do something that bad your rights as a citizen are revoked... you are essentially slave labor at that point... people shouldn't want to kill such an individual, they should put them to work. Then their miserable life will make a contribution to society, weather they like it or not.
Dale's viewpoint isn't immoral or stupid at all, if you are a truely moral person. Some people think it's ok to ignore your beliefs if it's for the sake of survival. I'll be frank.. I'd rather die being the person I strive to be than to live with the guilt and shame of doing something unforgiveable. I would also rather see a group of people going down the murderous path put out of their misery before they degrade into a collection of monsters. So the very slight potentional risk of them doing the moral thing versus doing the "smart" thing is well worth it. Unfortantely, a great portion of society is weak... they don't have the same convictions.
Ragardless, nothing Dale EVER suggested put the group in danger, intentionally or not. People are making decisions right now based on the fear of what could happen... not on facts or evidence, just fearful speculation. Someone's instincts no matter how accurate, is not grounds for killing someone. Remember, we are seeing the story from the view of a third party.... we have privy to insight that they don't have.
I will happily agree that they are all stupid though. I really wish that one of these days a show/comic/whatever came out where the protagonists were given at least an above average level of intelligence. It seems like all heroes are dummies.
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It seems like all heroes are dummies.
That's so the writers can get the majority of viewers to identify with them.
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I thought the scene between Hershel and Glenn was cool. Makes me wonder what will happen when they leave the farm. On a related note, I think it is time for them to leave the farm, if only to progress the story... the traveling caravan vibe was more interesting to me.
I will miss Dale, I feel like losing the viewpoint he brought will make the show poorer, but with so many good characters, I have no doubt there will be plenty of conflict to keep me interested.
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Ragardless, nothing Dale EVER suggested put the group in danger, intentionally or not. People are making decisions right now based on the fear of what could happen... not on facts or evidence, just fearful speculation. Someone's instincts no matter how accurate, is not grounds for killing someone. Remember, we are seeing the story from the view of a third party.... we have privy to insight that they don't have.
I will happily agree that they are all stupid though. I really wish that one of these days a show/comic/whatever came out where the protagonists were given at least an above average level of intelligence. It seems like all heroes are dummies.
I don't think he suggested let's put everyone in direct danger, but his viewpoint lacked any alternative. I almost understand the group decision to execute since they were faced with the option of kill him or set him free.
I guess I personally hate when people have dissenting opinions and never offer an alternative. It is one reason why most politicians infuriate me.....well annoy. Damn my engineering mind.
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Im with GG on this regarding the fact that Dale kept saying "DONT KILL HIM!!!" on the verge of tears, but he didnt say any alternative what to do with him. You have to keep in mind Howard, this is a show. Most of the logical stuff we would do would not make for an interesting show, there always needs to be conflict or else it would be boring, and we would turn the channel or cancel our DVR recording. They arent "stupid" per se, they are acting as to what would happen if a zombie apocalypse was real, and what the writers tell them to do. Its not like we are watching Batman survive or something. ;)
What bugged me about the episode was that the kid never said that he would denounce his other group, help out, and stay there etc. He was just pleading all the time. Thats not going to get you anywhere. I still think its kind of lame Rick even saved him in the first place... I feel like the writers kind of had a case of writers block to fill up those two episodes, and this is what they filled it with.
I thought the scene between Hershel and Glenn was cool. Makes me wonder what will happen when they leave the farm. On a related note, I think it is time for them to leave the farm, if only to progress the story... the traveling caravan vibe was more interesting to me.
I will miss Dale, I feel like losing the viewpoint he brought will make the show poorer, but with so many good characters, I have no doubt there will be plenty of conflict to keep me interested.
Totally this. I agree with all of this. The farm has been played out, and the traveling aspect had more appeal, and more possibilities for things to happen. I wont really miss Dale honestly... I know he was the voice of reason and all, but he was kind of whiney, keep the guns from Andrea (who is a ---smurfette--- in and of itself) then his whining about the kid... Im not saying kill him or anything, but they didnt really show him that much this season aside from his crying about something, or his "what the hell is going on, Im old" face. :dunno
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Dale's alternative is to give the kid a chance to prove his worth to the group. You think about it, that makes sense, since they sort of went out of their way to save Rick in the first place. The argument for killing him is that he shot at the guys in the town, making him a bad guy, so he must be dealt with. His introdcution to the group through the use of violence against the group automatically makes him an outsider, its hard to trust that someone won't turn against you, when they already sort of did the first time you saw him. Dale's point is that this kid was a victim of circumstance, was stuck in a bad situation, and given a chance, might be helpful to the group. That he is not inherently an enemy of the group and that his allegiance to the other group was one of convenience. I don't see any of this as being stupid or simple, but maybe that's just my perspective.
I think saving the kid was essential to the character of Rick. He's a good guy that has to struggle with the situational morality of it all. He had no problems shooting first and not trusting the guys in the bar, and the fact that he was the one that killed Sophia is significant. He's becoming a more complex character, in stark contrast to Shane who is devolving into a pure black and white, us versus them morality universe.
I think Dale was a good foil to Shane, because he has a black and white view of morality as well that is just the opposite of Shane's.
The farm is getting old. It was interesting when there was conflict between Herschel and the group, but with Herschel turning into an old puppy dog, it runs the risk of devolving into little house on the prarie - with zombies. The travelling aspect is what made the first season so good, when they made it to the CDC and got to eat hot meals and shower, it really was cool to almost empathize with the joy of simple luxuries that they had.
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The travelling aspect is what made the first season so good, when they made it to the CDC and got to eat hot meals and shower, it really was cool to almost empathize with the joy of simple luxuries that they had.
Very good point. There are only 2 episodes left, so who knows when the 3rd season will start. Maybe they will show something at Comic con this year.
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Trust me... they will be leaving Hershels farm...
Besides...somebody has to tend to all those upkept lawns through America...
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Trust me... they will be leaving Hershels farm...
Besides...somebody has to tend to all those upkept lawns through America...
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It sure as hell won't be Shane doing it now.
So......virus lies dormant? Perhaps a small dosage is maintainable, but a large injection of virus aka a bite will kill you? So many questions after that.
But I knew that bastard was evil. Crazy punk.
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Needless to say, I was very pleased with how the episode ended... Shane is finally dead, and he brought it upon himself, and there is finally going to be a siege on the homestead. They even managed to mourn a dead character well, which a lot of shows screw up.
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Last night's episode redeemed the show somewhat.
But is this show going to be plagued with flaws in logic and common sense forever?
When Shane re-animates Rick doesn't hear it? WTF? There are only two people in the field, not a noise for miles and a 6 foot tall moaning machine stands up behind you and you can't hear it? Even letting that one go... there is a whole army of zombies gathering behind them, but judging by the previews for next episode, they can't hear or see them until they are right on top of them.
Seriously, this show makes the zombies waaaay more threatening than they are. They've made the humans just a sluggish and sensory deprived as their inhuman stalkers, which I suppose would be ok if they did it all the time and not selectively when they want to kill someone on the show.
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Im not using spoiler tags because I feel people that are reading this thread already watch the show considering we only comment on mondays. :lol
Im glad Shane is finally dead, but I hate Carl now. What the hell was he doing drawing his gun on his own Dad? I also think Rick kind of bitched out a little when he killed Shane. Rick knew that Shane has been gunning for him and his life for a long time. He slept with his wife for Gods sakes, and he tried to kill him, they have fought a number of times, and Rick has already had a taste of killing the living.
They are also kind of inconsistent with how long it takes to become a zombie after dying, or being bit. And yes, a herd of zombies coming over the hill should definitely be heard. Not only that, but where did all those people come from, were they just in the words?
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They are all infected, so when shane died, it didn't take long to turn to a walker. When andrea's sister died in season 1, she was bitten, and it takes longer to turn into a walker from a bite than if the person was alive, died and then turns to a walker faster. See randall had his neck broken by shane, that kills him, then randall turns into a walker from being killed from shane, the randall walker then attacks glenn & daryl. They even realised that the walker randall had no bites or marks on him.
So I think what Jenner told rick at the CDC was that they are "The walking dead", they all have the virus !
If you get bit or scratched by a walker/zombie, you turn into a walker yourself, but the process is delayed (hours pass).
If you just die, you turn into a walker faster. Shane is killed by rick, walker shane is killed by carl in a matter of minutes.
Finally, anyone that dies becomes a walker, regardless of how they die, except for head shots, thats the only way to be sure, for the living, or the dead.
OH, and the HERD from ep1, season 2 looks to be returning, I think the time on the farm is up. I expect hershel and some other farm folks to die, I think maggie will make it.
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Maggie and Herschel make it, Maggie's sister is a zombie snack.
Decent episode, but I still prefer the comic books version of Shane's demise and how they leave the farm. The herd is just convenient at this point. They've been hanging out in the woods all this time?
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Last night's episode redeemed the show somewhat.
But is this show going to be plagued with flaws in logic and common sense forever?
When Shane re-animates Rick doesn't hear it? WTF? There are only two people in the field, not a noise for miles and a 6 foot tall moaning machine stands up behind you and you can't hear it? Even letting that one go... there is a whole army of zombies gathering behind them, but judging by the previews for next episode, they can't hear or see them until they are right on top of them.
Seriously, this show makes the zombies waaaay more threatening than they are. They've made the humans just a sluggish and sensory deprived as their inhuman stalkers, which I suppose would be ok if they did it all the time and not selectively when they want to kill someone on the show.
I would say they are fairly inconsistent with how threatening zombies are.
Although I think I see a pattern. During the day, almost any number of zombies is manageable. At night a single zombie is a terrible threat. I mean 4 guys came up on the z-group enjoying a cow and proceeded to smash them to pieces with ease. I guarantee that same thing happens at night and they are all little girls. Well we will see next week.
But seriously. When was the last time someone was killed during the day time????? Are we fighting vampire zombies?
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Well what's even worse is the fact that it CONFIRMS my complaints about Dale's zombie killer. Notice how a single cow completely satisfies not just one but THREE zombies? Also notice that they are so involved in eating said cow that they don't even bother to react until the gang has killed half of their friends?
Dale's death was poorly written... I'm sorry but it was. It was emotional, but it was still poorly written. I'm still not over the tearing open his stomach with it's bare hands either. Most of the muscles in your torso are in the stomach region, it is VERY dense. People think that it's thin because it's so flexible, but that just isn't the case. Can your stomach be punctured easily? Yeah, with something sharp enough or enough blunt force. Can it be pulled apart by hand? No not really. So was Otis's for that matter..... those zombies were miles back and barely moving and yet those two were panicking like they were right on top of them.
Shane's death was a good one. I'm suprised on the aftershow and other boards that they are saying that the knifing was unexpected or didn't make sense. First off, if you didn't get that Rick was going to kill him as soon as they faced off western style then I worry about you. Secondly they are both trained police officers and in earlier episodes they have a conversation about Shane being the better shot. So if Rick had drawn on him, it would have put his life in danger.... it was much smarter to bring him in close and stab him while he's off guard.
Poor old Randy was a weasely little guy wasn't he? I'm not even sure he was telling the truth about the camp, I think that he's just so pathetic that he'll lie like a dog to anybody that might have pitty on him.
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Oh yeah death predicitons...... we can't go by the comics because some of those people are already dead and there are new characters not in the books.
Maggie, her sister and Hershell survive. Hershell is the new Dale because they killed him too early.
That young boy with hershell's group and pretty much anybody left in that group is zombie chow... they haven't gotten enough screen time.
All of your main characters survive.
T-Dog is roadkill... it's been two seasons and they've yet to do anything with him.
That lady with the shaved head (can't remember her name) is also dead... she just isn't going to be able to fight back considering how screwed up she is atm.
Darrel worries me... I don't think they'll kill him because their quota for killing off important characters is full for now, but it would be an opportune time for him to "redeem" himself by saving someone at his own expense.
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Oh yeah death predicitons...... we can't go by the comics because some of those people are already dead and there are new characters not in the books.
Maggie, her sister and Hershell survive. Hershell is the new Dale because they killed him too early.
That young boy with hershell's group and pretty much anybody left in that group is zombie chow... they haven't gotten enough screen time.
All of your main characters survive.
T-Dog is roadkill... it's been two seasons and they've yet to do anything with him.
That lady with the shaved head (can't remember her name) is also dead... she just isn't going to be able to fight back considering how screwed up she is atm.
Darrel worries me... I don't think they'll kill him because their quota for killing off important characters is full for now, but it would be an opportune time for him to "redeem" himself by saving someone at his own expense.
I agree on the unknown people in Hershel's group, but I also think Maggie's sister will go too. It would be cruel justice for her to go after she "decided" to live when Andrea basically said kill yourself we hate you. I hate Andrea.
Of the group I think they will all make it out of this one.
I think Daryl will be the hero hands down. There is no way in hell he will die now, since he is on the verge of becoming a comic book character. My guess is Daryl and Glenn will save the day. They are going to be coming in from behind the group unlike Rick getting chased with that little bastard of his.
I do think we are done with major characters dropping this season unless of course they leave us with a cliffhanger or like Daryl leads the herd off into the wilderness alone. DAMN CLIFFHANGERS!!
Have any of you noticed on the Walking Dead commercials on AMC there is one with Daryl on his bike and ALOT of walkers behind him. Was that from an episode that I don't remember or unknown?
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Geez HC, I think its pretty silly to be talking about unrealistic things, given the whole premise of the show.
Its not that hard to rip open an old man's stomach, its not like he had a body builder's abs or anything, and if you have something sharp, abs fall apart pretty easily, they used to disembowel people all the time in the past. Maybe the zombie had claw like fingers? Also you act like being knee deep in mud is no big thing, have you ever been knee deep in a swamp? It can be pretty tough getting out.
I assume all zombies are different, it could be that those three were attracted to the cow, and that dale's killer saw dale coming and decided to go for him.
What would you have rather happened? The zombie fall on Dale and claw away to no avail, only to have Dale be put down later because the zombie broke his hip? Probably more realistic, way shittier television.
The herd of zombies is understandable, they could be a roaming herd that just happened to be stumbling upon the farm, the farm, from what I take of it, is a fairly large piece of property and its surrounded by wilderness, if the herd, was say, a mile away, they would be pretty hard to see/detect and they could descend on the farm within a half hour or so.
Anyhow, none of that stuff really bugs me all that much, i don't find that they are any worse than anything that has happened to the show, like Darrell's brother cutting off his own hand and cauterizing the wound on an open flame, come on now, don't be so nit picky.
I don't see how you can think that Herschel is the new Dale, he has never had that righteousness for the sake of righteousness that Dale had. I think if anyone takes Dale's spot it would be Glenn, he is the only character that is unsoiled as a purely good guy. Herschel is not, he is a drunk, wanted to kick people off the farm, had no problem killing randall, etc. In all honesty I think there is no need for a new Dale, Dale's do right-regardless of consequences was a stark contrast to Shane's - do what is easy regardless of what is right persona. With both of them gone, there is no need for a voice of reason.
I don't know if any of the people on the farm live. I am guessing Herschel, because he is a doctor, and an interesting character. Maggie I could see going either way, she is kind of boring, and in both cases - live or die, she makes things interesting for Glenn and Herschel. The others on the farm I see no point in keeping around, unless they feel the need to bring on additional faces due to the deaths.
The bald headed woman has got to go.
Its actually refreshing that the black wasn't among the first handful of people to go. But he's 50-50 if you ask me, though, he actually spoke for the first time last episode, so maybe he stays.
I don't see how Darrel needs to redeem himself, he hasn't done anything to compromise the group, he has just been a bit of a loner, which most people don't seem to mind too much about.
I think Shane's death is really one of the best I have seen in any series, an up close knife is a pretty intimate/brutal way to kill someone, I think the character of Rick has improved by leaps and bounds, that last conversation with Lori and Shane was great too, shows that her character is deeper than we think, even Carl has shown some character development. The show has gotten so much better since the death of Sophia
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You tell him he has something he needs to be redeemed for.
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I personally like that the show isnt that much like the comic because I don't always know what's going to happen, but I felt that Shane's death was pretty lame...
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Geez HC, I think its pretty silly to be talking about unrealistic things, given the whole premise of the show.
No, it absolutely is not.
This show requires a HUGE suspension of disbelief in that you have to pretend that zombies are a real possibliity and that the dead can re-animate.
The larger the suspension of disbelief a show has, the more realistic the show's plot/logic has to be. When something stupid happens it takes you out of your suspension of disbelief and the immersion effect is lost. In other words you don't enjoy the show as much.
I mean this is year one film school stuff man... everybody knows this.
It's like those movies in the mid 90's where the spy would sneak into a huge facility and instantly copy a companies entire database on a single floppy disc. Regardless of how unbelieveable the plot was I was probably into the film until that moment. And then I realize what idiots the writers were and I'm shaking my fist at the screen... the illusion is over... the film has been ruined for me.
To answer your question yes... I would have rather seen Dale die in a more realistic way. You see the problem isn't just that he died unrealistically, it's that it could have easily been fixed. Have the zombie chomping at his stomache instead of his face.... the zombie gets a bite... everybody knows he's a goner and thus the scene could have ended the exact same way. Heck just have the zombie scratch his stomach pretty bad... that would have been in the rhealm of possibilities and again, the same result.
Otis could have been handled better as well. Imagine them booking it (well as fast as possible anyway, Shane's leg was messed up) with the zombies actually breathing down their necks...both of them firing backwards into the crowd as often as possible. Otis says something like "I can't keep this up!" and Shane says "I've got your back, I'll carry your gun and the pack and I'll take over for a while" He gives them to him and Shane blasts him in the face and Otis falls into a sea of zombies. Again, same result, but it's more realisitic and it would have actually looked better film-wise.
Hershell isn't Dale's replacement.. they aren't the same character, but up until now Dale was the father figure of the group. Hershell will fill in that role.
You've got to remember that Daryl wasn't so nice to the group in the beginning and he evolved into a legitimately decent person only to turn into a psuedo villain in the last couple of episodes (beating the kid half to death... attempting to kill the kid without the group's consent, ect...). I don't think the people of the group have any ill will towards him, but he is having problems with his own actions. It's always an internal battle and his redemption would be his own redemption in his own eyes. He puts on a good tough guy act... but that guy is hurting inside.
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I have to agree with HC that you need to keep some logic no matter how silly the concept or story is.
Most recently I remember watching Terminator Salvation. I can follow it and believe that machines have taken over everything....etc. I get that.
It was the last scene in the movie where the former VETERINARIAN does a FIELD HEART TRANSPLANT. Seriously.......a heart transplant. No concern about matching even blood types.
So yes, I do want some consistency. This recent stuff with reanimation without infection is one of those things. That and the night/day difference. Why are zombies such little girls in the day time and deadly killing machines at night. Did glen and daryl really need to get knocked over by zombie randall?
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I actually took some film school classes and I disagree.
You are going in with a bias as to what you expect the zombies to be. I think that the scene was good in that it changes the perception of what the zombies are capable of, and goes hand in hand with the people rising after not being bit. Maybe the zombies are getting stronger?
Also, I don't think its that unrealistic to claw up an old mans abdomen, if he had long sharp nails, or exposed sharp finger bones. Hell its certainly easier than tearing apart a cow with your bare hands.
I TOTALLY disagree with your Otis take. It would not be realistic for Shane to ask for all that stuff or for Otis to willingly give up that stuff to an injured man, and he especially would not have given up his gun. I think the way it went down is way more realistic, shane panics, and offs Otis and then struggles with that impulse internally.
I don't find Dale to be a father figure to the group at all, nobody looks up to him and looks to him for any sort of leadership or guidance. To me, he is more like the nosy neighbor constantly in your business. I don't see any similarities between him and Herschel other than their both being old white guys.
From what I remember, didn't they send Darrell in to interrogate the kid? It wasn't like he did that in secret. I don't understand why you keep talking about redemption, the only internal struggle I see with Darrell is the guilt over leaving his brother behind. I think he is a slef reliant person that has a well centered sense of good and bad. I don't understand what sins he needs redeeming from.
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I'm most interested to see if we will encounter Darryl's brother again or the Father/son from season one in Atlanta.
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i could have sworn that i saw darryl's brother as a zombie in a promo at some point, so i'd assume he's got to pop up.
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it would be awesome if Darrel's brother was the leader of Randall's group.
I too wonder about the father/son, they totally dropped that
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it would be awesome if Darrel's brother was the leader of Randall's group.
Hell yea! I never thought of that. That would be cool.
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it would be awesome if Darrel's brother was the leader of Randall's group.
Yeah, I was really hoping that was where it was going. And that his hand would be replaced with a chainsaw. OK, not the chainsaw thing.
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theres nothing to say they wont still run into randall's group so we could still see merle. i think we wont see morgan (guy with the kid) until the prison or later like in the comics but i wonder id duane (the son) will be alive or dead as he is dead when morgan meets up with the group again
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The group aren't too likely to think of Daryl of a moral compass and may prefer he stay on the other side of camp once they discover his collection of Walker souvenirs, AKA ears he's collected.
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Oh, I think walking dead is unsuitable for little children and girls, they all feel uncomfortable when they see the blood and fly.
I think spammers are unsuitable for BYOAC. Go ---fudgesicle--- yourself.
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Oh, I think walking dead is unsuitable for little children and girls, they all feel uncomfortable when they see the blood and fly.
I think spammers are unsuitable for BYOAC. Go ---fudgesicle--- yourself.
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Unfortunately that's probably a bot of some sort and will never see your reply. :(
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The group aren't too likely to think of Daryl of a moral compass and may prefer he stay on the other side of camp once they discover his collection of Walker souvenirs, AKA ears he's collected.
Seeing as how they were looking to Rick and Shane as leaders, I think they will let that slide after recent events.
But then again this Sunday will really be the deciding factor I think.
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Full Season 2 Finale spoilers to follow...
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick’s horse, or what’s left of it, when they’re startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner. Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane’s murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it’s not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn. Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight. Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker. T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl’s motorcycle. Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we’re not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can’t continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn’t turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane – dead
Andrea – missing
Patricia – taken by the walkers
Jimmy – splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can’t keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn’t just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl’s role in Shane’s death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can’t carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo — she bashes in a walker’s head with it — now she’s down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken. Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control… he says they’re not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn’t a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
End of Season 2.
Source: http://lawtechworld.com/tv/2012/03/the-walking-dead-season-2-spoiler-full-episode-13-finale-event-details/ (http://lawtechworld.com/tv/2012/03/the-walking-dead-season-2-spoiler-full-episode-13-finale-event-details/)
Sounds pretty kick @$$ to me :applaud:
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The group aren't too likely to think of Daryl of a moral compass and may prefer he stay on the other side of camp once they discover his collection of Walker souvenirs, AKA ears he's collected.
Well it's really gross and disrespectful of the (un)dead mind you, but there really isn't any harm in it. I find people that mount deer heads and crap in their homes to have just as disgusting a hobby, but you learn to ignore it. Keep in mind... I live in WV too. ;)
He's NEVER going to be the leader anyway. He's got issues to say the least. Not that Rick isn't a hot mess, but he hides it a little better. Besides, I've learned from personal experience that you can be the nicest, smartest person in the world but nobody will see it if your personality drives them away.
As for the father/son in atlanta, I think they dropped that arc completely.... it should have happened in season 1, AMC gave them a few prescious episodes and overall it didn't really add anything to the story.
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What part Howard? I'm in Charleston on the East End? Nice to see another WVer on here :)
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Cabin Creek.... I'm about 40-45 min from you.
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I thought you lived on the internet. ;D
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Cabin Creek.... I'm about 40-45 min from you.
Nice, sucks we don't have a real arcade here and that sorry excuse for one (Southridge) doesn't even deserve to be called an arcade...
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The group aren't too likely to think of Daryl of a moral compass and may prefer he stay on the other side of camp once they discover his collection of Walker souvenirs, AKA ears he's collected.
Well it's really gross and disrespectful of the (un)dead mind you, but there really isn't any harm in it. I find people that mount deer heads and crap in their homes to have just as disgusting a hobby, but you learn to ignore it. Keep in mind... I live in WV too. ;)
He's NEVER going to be the leader anyway. He's got issues to say the least. Not that Rick isn't a hot mess, but he hides it a little better. Besides, I've learned from personal experience that you can be the nicest, smartest person in the world but nobody will see it if your personality drives them away.
As for the father/son in atlanta, I think they dropped that arc completely.... it should have happened in season 1, AMC gave them a few prescious episodes and overall it didn't really add anything to the story.
I guess that was what I was trying to say most, Daryl has some deep pyschological issues that prevent him from being leader and the trophies would be an obvious indicator to the group. Although I understand your deer head analogy, I think human body parts would be judged differently than deer heads, even body parts from the undead. I don't see that they have much hope for survival anyways, as there is really no leader. They had all that time at the farm and did nothing to the farmhouse to make it more defensible. Sure they posted watch, but did not reinforce doors or windows or stockpile food and water in a defensible location. The father/son team in Atlanta at least reinforced the house they were hiding in and with walkers all around were able to defend the house. The father/son team also understood the need for silence. The group never seems to figure this out. They are not the stealthy types at all. I've never read the comics and that probably makes the show more enjoyable. But it is frustrating that the group is so stupid, especially with Rick and Shane presumably having prior military experience (most law enforcement people do). If I were Daryl, I would of struck out on my own early on, figuring these people were too stupid to survive.
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Well that was pretty awesome.
All my death predictions came true also with the exception of the bald headed lady, but Daryl did have his knight in shining armor moment with her as I said he might.
Michonnne's addition to the cast and the fact that she wasn't toned down at all unfortuantely means I'll be back for season 3, in a episode by episode basis. You've gotta wonder how people are going to react to a woman leading around two black guys via chains on their necks. I see a PR nightmare waiting to happen.
Also the EP all but confirmed that Merl will be appearing in season 3. The fact that the Governor appears in season 3 as well means that they are speeding things up a bit, which is a good thing because as a whole the whole prison scenario was kind of boring in the comics. Then again, the comics have kind of fallen apart post-prison so it might mean that season 3 is the final season.
What the hell was up with Lorie though? Getting pissed at Rick when she essentially begged him to kill Shane not two episodes ago. The groups getting pretty bitchy as well, I stupidly thought that the fact that Rick managed to get most of them out safely might have earned him a bit of respect. When Daryl and Hershel are the only one's on Rick's side things are going really bad.
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Damn what a good episode. I called it about Daryl, he is a bad ass. Who was the only one that wanted to even attempt to look for Andrea? Yeah, my boy. The boondock saint.
Who do you want leading the group now? Rick pretty much gave his crazy man rant in his explanation of what happened. I mean come on Rick, Shane was a nutjob literally murdering you with an elaborate scheme. I agree Rick deserves respect, but he is acting very Shane-like right now.
As for Lorie, I couldn't agree more. What a little ---smurfette---. She goes and tells Rick that Shane is dangerous and he wants her for himself. Then she goes and tells Shane that the baby is Ricks and nothing will ever let her be with him again. Oh, and on top of that the dumbass doesn't have enough common sense to keep Carl by her side. What a terrible mother.
And Michonne......yeah....
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Rick becomes kind of messed up from this point on in the comics. Currently in the comics he is ALMOST as bad as Shane, but fortunately he doesn't go around killing people just because he's scared of them or they are inconvenient, so he's ok in my book. You can be a jerk, just don't be a murdering jerk.
Doesn't matter anyway, Rick is the leader... that isn't going to change.... it would be like suddenly letting Robin Takeover as Batman...... oh wait.... (stupid DC) nevermind...
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HC: Rick doesn't go murdering people because he is scared of them? Hmm...You might be forgetting about the black leader of the group they find in the prison. He tried to take over the group by force with guns when a zombie invasion happens and in the confusion, while everyone is focused on staying alive, rick shoots the black dude in the head. Not to mention, the psycho that cuts the heads off of the little girls and slices Andrea's face up. Didn't he kill him too? I don't blame Rick, I would do the exact same things.
Also, the things Michonne has on chains are just zombies with their arms and jaws ripped off. I don't even think they are black...and I did not see them as "black guys" in the comic either, so I'm not sure why you are trying to attach something racist to this.
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Yea...nothing "black" about them:
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I presume the racist cries are coming from people that assume she would only date black people and be friends with black people.
Her best friend and her boyfriend. That is not a very colorful description.
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I don't think there are any racist cries yet. HC is predicting that there will be. I say anyone who does cry racism is an idiot.
And Green Giant...WTH are you talking about?! LOL
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Time to cast more people next season....
When the question was, "Which Darabont player could you seen in a role?" (before Darabont and TWD parted ways), I'd thought, even while reading the comic, that Toby Jones would be great for the killer Thomas Richards.
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but there wont be much need for thomas in the show since hershels two youngest daughters arent there although i guess they could meet another group along the way. im really interested to see how the prison will play out since alot of the characters that were there in the comic are not there in the show as of yet or theyre already dead. next season will crazy im sure. and by the time it starts up again the comics will be at the 102 issue mark.
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but there wont be much need for thomas in the show
I'm still hoping for Andrea to get scarred.
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Man, this was a good episode, but it pissed me off for a number of reasons.
What the hell was up with Lorie though? Getting pissed at Rick when she essentially begged him to kill Shane not two episodes ago. The groups getting pretty bitchy as well, I stupidly thought that the fact that Rick managed to get most of them out safely might have earned him a bit of respect. When Daryl and Hershel are the only one's on Rick's side things are going really bad.
This is what pretty much pissed me off the most though. Like you guys said, Lori was all about Rick "doing something about Shane" and when he does, she flips out on him. The only thing I can think as a reason as to why, is because Rick said Carl killed him is when she flew off the handle. But she didnt look like she had that "oh damn thats my fault cause I NEVER KNOW WHERE HE IS" it was more of a " I cant believe you Rick you bastard" kind of look. Carl pissed me off too, he is all crying in Lori's arms when Rick mentions it to the group.
Then Carol was like "do something!!!" after they were outside around the fire towards the end of the episode. What the hell do you expect him to do?! You guys are out of gas! Everyone is getting bitchy, and annoying, I dont even know if Im going to watch the next season, just cause everyone gets on my nerves now. Even Carl. Aside from Rick, Hershel and Daryl are the only ones that dont piss me off. Having Michonne come in just as she did in the comics was freakin awesome though. I think the racist remarks are a wee bit farfetched though. But now a days, I wouldnt even be surprised if someone bitched about it... ::)
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I don't think there are any racist cries yet. HC is predicting that there will be. I say anyone who does cry racism is an idiot.
And Green Giant...WTH are you talking about?! LOL
The idea that people will cry racism over the zombies she totes around. What they were, as in race, is unrecognizable.
The only reason someone would assume they are black zombie slaves is if you assume the black woman on the show would only date black people and be friends with black people. It isn't her family she is dragging around, it is her boyfriend and best friend.
If you want to scream anything about her chained pets, scream sexism. Personally I think it is just bad ass. I see nothing further into it than she is so bad ass she tamed two zombies.
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I don't think there are any racist cries yet. HC is predicting that there will be. I say anyone who does cry racism is an idiot.
And Green Giant...WTH are you talking about?! LOL
The idea that people will cry racism over the zombies she totes around. What they were, as in race, is unrecognizable.
The only reason someone would assume they are black zombie slaves is if you assume the black woman on the show would only date black people and be friends with black people. It isn't her family she is dragging around, it is her boyfriend and best friend.
If you want to scream anything about her chained pets, scream sexism. Personally I think it is just bad ass. I see nothing further into it than she is so bad ass she tamed two zombies.
Woah hold up guys! I didn't say I thought it was racist, I said it's going to be a PR nightmare... in other words OTHER people are going to think that. And in the show at least, those guys have brown skin or at the very least very black features. It could be the lighting, but I don't think so.
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Dude they are totally black guys. Its her boyfriend and his bestfriend right?! Man. If I watch any of the next season, its only because Michonne is in it.
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HC: Rick doesn't go murdering people because he is scared of them? Hmm...You might be forgetting about the black leader of the group they find in the prison. He tried to take over the group by force with guns when a zombie invasion happens and in the confusion, while everyone is focused on staying alive, rick shoots the black dude in the head. Not to mention, the psycho that cuts the heads off of the little girls and slices Andrea's face up. Didn't he kill him too? I don't blame Rick, I would do the exact same things.
Also, the things Michonne has on chains are just zombies with their arms and jaws ripped off. I don't even think they are black...and I did not see them as "black guys" in the comic either, so I'm not sure why you are trying to attach something racist to this.
Nah, that's not what I meant. Shane (on the show) wanted to kill people for what they might do when they haven't done anything all that bad yet, which is cowardly. Rick kills people after they've already done something they would normally get the death penalty for and generally when it happens he doesn't have a whole lot of options (like the bar scene this season). Now I don't believe in capital punishment myself, but in those particular cases I'm not sure what else he could have done. Rick's a killer to be sure, but he isn't a murderer... that's the difference.
Plus those were two prisoners in a maximum security prison... they didn't get in there for jay-walking.
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HC: Damn Internets!! heh Yea I misunderstood your meaning. Sorry. Well...either way I am excited for next season. This was the best episode since the first episode with the herd on the highway. Everything in between has been talking-talking-bitching-bitching-talking-talking-OH ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- A ZOMBIE-bitching-bitchig-talking-credits.
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Well unless they really vamp up the script for next season, don't expect too much. Like I said before, it looks like they are accelerating things a bit what with the governor's appearance also in this season, but in the books they were in the prison for about a year and with a few very, very notable exceptions, absolutely nothing happened. A lot like this season really.... very exciting at first, then nothing happens.... then a couple of interesting things happen mid-way through, then nothing again.. then BAM! Holy CRAP!
Spoilers:
They'll spend a good amount of time learning how to farm.
Actually the show is pretty faithful to the books in that regard. All of last year in the comics I think they had one zombie outbreak. :(
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this show needs William Fichtner
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this show needs William Fichtner
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Everything does.
As for Lori getting mad about Shane, I thought she only got mad once he said Carl put him down. Seemed like the idea of Carl finally becoming a part of this world is what sent her over the edge.
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Well that's her own damn fault as well. I mean she isn't out fighting zombies like the rest of them, in her mind "women should be in the kitchen" and if that's the case maybe she should watch her idiot kid and beat the crap out of him when he runs off instead of doing nothing when he just wanders back in.
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Well that's her own damn fault as well. I mean she isn't out fighting zombies like the rest of them, in her mind "women should be in the kitchen" and if that's the case maybe she should watch her idiot kid and beat the crap out of him when he runs off instead of doing nothing when he just wanders back in.
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Its kind of ridiculous how often he is just wandering around. If he were my kid, he would never be out of sight in a zombie apocalypse. It borderlines on stupidity, thats one of the things that pisses me off about the writers too.
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Looks like I'm not the only one that disapproved of the lack of logic in Dale's death:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two?sub=1474540_179081 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two?sub=1474540_179081)
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Well that's her own damn fault as well. I mean she isn't out fighting zombies like the rest of them, in her mind "women should be in the kitchen" and if that's the case maybe she should watch her idiot kid and beat the crap out of him when he runs off instead of doing nothing when he just wanders back in.
:stupid
Its kind of ridiculous how often he is just wandering around. If he were my kid, he would never be out of sight in a zombie apocalypse. It borderlines on stupidity, thats one of the things that pisses me off about the writers too.
This is the one thing that really gets me, too... I have no problem suspending disbelief for a good TV show, but as far as the survivors know, Carl and Sophia were some of the only living children left IN THE WORLD. And they just lost one of them. The whole group should be keeping an eye on him.
Still... going to be a long wait till next season....
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Another one:
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I really like this one.
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I like this one... it kind of sums up the latter half of season 2 pretty well.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two?sub=1474540_179082 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two?sub=1474540_179082)
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Some of those made me cry from laughing. Thanks for the link.
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Finally got my mitts on the comics. I like the show better. The first half of season two was not great, I think the last half was decent, can't wait for season three.
That being said, just watched the first episode over with a friend, man if this show had a budget and Darabont still attached, it would be SO epic.
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Really?! I like the comics a lot more. There were so many "WTF" moments, that I couldnt put em down. I read 90 issues in about 3 days. I do agree though, if Darabont was still the show runner, and they gave him some money, it would be insane.
Im still pissed off about the end of the last episode. :badmood:
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I like the show moreShane makes the show a lot better. Dale gets killed earlier, and I think Dale is lame in the comic. Lori is more interesting in the show, she doesn't have much personality in the comic. Plus the show has Daryl and Merle. I liked Tyrese in the comic, since he played a good foil to Rick. Rick is a bit more dark in the comic. Don't get me wrong, I love the comic, I am up to about issue 60 or 65 abouts, but the arc from the beginning to the prison, I think, is better on the show
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I couldn't disagree more Donk. The arc from the beginning to the prison was YAWN on the show. But to each their own. ;D
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The part from getting to Herschel's farm to the killing of sophia was a yawn, the rest was pretty good I think. Character for character, its better.
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I couldn't disagree more Donk. The arc from the beginning to the prison was YAWN on the show. But to each their own. ;D
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What they said. The exodus from the farm, for example, was frikkin epic in the comics. It was still pretty good on the show, but aside from some interesting visuals it kind of paled in comparison.
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I ducked out of this thread a long time ago because I'm not into the comic, nor will I ever be. The show, though, finally took a nice turn and got back to what grabbed me in the first place. Anyone else keep seeing the parallels between this and Left 4 Dead? Several scenes bring this to mind.
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Dervacumen: I didn't notice.
Donk: One thing I will give you is Shane has a lot more personality on the show. And Daryl is a cool character. I think Tyrese is the comic's Daryl. Other than that most of the other characters are better and less annoying in the books IMO. I'm not knocking the show at all though. I like both, but I personally found the comic much more exciting and they did a lot more unexpected things. I couldn't stop reading. Like Mikezilla I read 90 books in a weekend..I was so fascinated I could not stop. I couldn't wait to see what happened next.
I do actually love that the show and the comic are almost completely different though, because I can watch the show and not know what's going to happen next.
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Dervacumen: I didn't notice.
Donk: One thing I will give you is Shane has a lot more personality on the show. And Daryl is a cool character. I think Tyrese is the comic's Daryl. Other than that most of the other characters are better and less annoying in the books IMO. I'm not knocking the show at all though. I like both, but I personally found the comic much more exciting and they did a lot more unexpected things. I couldn't stop reading. Like Mikezilla I read 90 books in a weekend..I was so fascinated I could not stop. I couldn't wait to see what happened next.
I do actually love that the show and the comic are almost completely different though, because I can watch the show and not know what's going to happen next.
They did even more unexpected stuff in the comics......damn.
And I thought the show was pretty crazy what with so much of the cast getting killed off. Time to start reading I guess.
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They really aren't different at all though. Both the comic and the tv shows overall arcs are virtually identical.... it's just the random drama points inbetween zombie attacks that have been changed. I mean yeah some things are going to have to be different, afterall there are different characters on the show, but for the most part....
Well except for season 1... season 1 was kind of a train wreck in places because they strayed too far from the comics. You'll notice that things follow at lot more closely in season 2.
But the comics may have ran their course.... you can stop reading after about issue 72... I'm bored to tears with their current situation atm. Luckily it looks like things are about to change.
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I think they are very different:
The whole deal with CDC, not in the comic, that was pretty awesome I thought. I like the TV Hershel better than the comic one. The drama with the walkers in the barn goes down way better in the show than in the comic. The whole stuff with Randall and the first encounter with other humans goes down pretty good in the show. The circumstances with which they leave the farm is better on the show - big ass herd of zombies versus Hershel having a midol moment. How is the exodus from the farm epic in the comics? Hershel just tells them to leave, and they do. Its WAY more epic on the show.
In terms of characters: Shane is MUCH better on the show, he dies like a book into the story. Lori is better on the show. Say what you want about her, and I don't like her much, but at least she has some depth, in the books she is just a one dimensional housewife that gets pissed at Rick for leaving her. On the show see seems more of a coniving ---smurfette---. Glenn is better on the show. Rick - its a tossup, I think the show Rick is more badass, he has assumed more of a leaders role, versus a reluctant leader like he was in the book. The comic is always best when there is another foil for Rick challenging his leadership, that is what made Tyrese cool, but the whole Rick/Shane thing in the show is MUCH better. Andrea is probably cooler in the comic, but the whole Dale relationship was sort of lame. I think she will end up being more badass in the show. Dale is annoying in both... I don't know, I like the show arc better - in the comic they spend way too much time camping, the journey back into the city for guns in the book isn't as good as the one in the show where they look for Merle. The drama of finding rick is better in the show, the CDC thing which isn't in the comic is better. The tension between Hershel and the group is better in the show. In all honesty I think the show is better.
That being said, I don't know how the prison/governor stuff can be better on the show than in the book, but so far, I like the story in the show better.
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HC: Not sure I agree. The show and comic are different enough that reading all the comics did not spoil the show at all because aside from the locations, very little is the same. I am fine with that though. If the show was exactly the same I would know everything that is going to happen which would be a little boring. The only thing the same about season 2 is they were at Hershels farm and he was keeping zombies in the barn, Glen is bonking the daughter..oh and Shane died...but not at all like he did in the book. Other than that...nothing was even similar at all.
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I agree, they are different, and I like the show version better so far
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HC: Not sure I agree. The show and comic are different enough that reading all the comics did not spoil the show at all because aside from the locations, very little is the same. I am fine with that though. If the show was exactly the same I would know everything that is going to happen which would be a little boring. The only thing the same about season 2 is they were at Hershels farm and he was keeping zombies in the barn, Glen is bonking the daughter..oh and Shane died...but not at all like he did in the book. Other than that...nothing was even similar at all.
Oh you mean the key plot points for that story arc. ;)
What I'm saying is the show isn't unpredictable at all. It's more unpredictable than most things on tv... that's why I watch it, but nothing terribly shocking has happened and you pretty much know where they are going to end up both location-wise and plot-wise by the end of each season.
You've got to understand, I can smell bad writing a mile away and for 90% of the shows on tv, I can tell you what is going to happen by watching the first 5min of the show. The fact that I complain about this show so much when they screw up story-wise is because it is very good. It isn't the usual formulaic scifi crap so I expect more out of it. I just want to see them keep improving it and one of the best ways to do that is arc completely away from the books. I mean they HAVE to to the prison/governor bit... that's the best part, but after that they really need to go in their own direction because it's getting a little predictable.
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Yea...compared to everything that was happening pre-prison and prison era in the comic, its not as exciting and I agree that it already peaked. But I still enjoy reading it. The story with the little town of people in the gated community was alright..not nearly as intense as the governor stuff though. But it gave you the opportunity to see how badass Andrea became at sharp shooting. I haven't read any of the comics in a while..I think the last one i read was 90 or 91. Can't remember. I need to catch up eventually.
HC: I see where you are coming from but I still don't find the show the same. It's like saying that the Dawn of the Dead remake was the same as the original because they still ended up at a mall. But I'm not going to debate it.
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I think its pretty different. The group has a completely different dynamic, in the comic its Rick and Tyrese, on the show it was Rick and Shane. Carol is a completely different character. At this point there are no other children except for Carl, and that means he is going to develop way different than in the comic. You know that certain things regarding are going to be different. In season one, they kept talking about going to a military base, they never did during the comic. The CDC bit wasn't in the comic, in the comic they go to that Evergreen Estates or whatever it was, and they didn't on the show. The lack of a relationship between Andrea and Dale totally changes the character of Andrea.
There are certain things that won't be done on TV. I bet the governor is toned down a little and There is NO WAY that they show someone murdering Rick and Lori's baby. My guess is that she either dies before it is born, or has some sort of miscarriage or something, no way they introduce a baby on the show and double no way they let one die. From a prodcution standpoint, after the prison, they wander around for like 20 issues. That's not going to happen on the show. They don't have the budget to be constantly moving around and changing locations like that.
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See... Look what the show has done. Lori sucks so bad on the show, and is so annoying, I want her AND carl to die. When I read in the comic that they got blown in half, and saw the splash page I was like HOLY SHITBALLS!!! And made me read even faster. I hope she gets rolled over by the tank when they storm the prison. Blown in half would be great too. I just want her dead.
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HOLY SHITBALLS!!!
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hahah Nice Mike.
Yea I remember reading the comic and the first time they showed Dale and Andrea doing it at Evergreen Estates I was like WHAT?! GROSS! Is that going to happen on the show?! And yea I was shocked as hell with the Lori and baby thing. I couldn't believe they did that...I was also kind of shocked at all the kid deaths. The Governor will be more than toned down. They cannot do any of the crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- from the comic in the show because they just can't do it on TV. I will be shocked if half that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happens. I was disappointed that Dale died so lame too. I would rather see him get half eaten by crazy cannibals. LOL
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Lori is an annoying ---smurfette---, but at least you care about her. In the comic, she isn't a standalone character, she is just Rick's woman. The whole her trying to terminate the preganancy isn't in the comic, the whole interaction with shane, and how she has been sort of standing up to Rick on the show, isn't in the comic. Her character on the show is much more interesting.
I am on the fence about whether I like show Dale or comic Dale better. I think offing him early will make Andrea more interesting in the end. I never liked him much in the comic, though with him gone, they are missing out on the cannibals thing, though, really, they can run that story with any other peripheral character. The most interesting thing about Dale is that he got bit and lived, and agian, they can do that same thing with other characters.
You don't really have to tone down the governor much, I imagine the fights are still there, he still has a zombie little girl, he's still psycho. The only thing that will probably be different is the rape of Michone, he probably tortures her, and doesn't rape her, I am guessing, and her payback probably won't be as graphic.
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Hehe :lol
Yeah Bootay, I was shocked at the kids deaths, but then I was shocked even more at Tyrese getting beheaded! And Rick losing his hand! And Rick getting with that other chick! And Rick chopping her hand off when she wouldnt let go of Carl! And Carl getting SHOT IN THE FACE. See how many shocking moments I listed there? How many shocking things happened during the show? Sophia being a zombie. I admit, I didnt see that til they opened the doors, but cmon.
Thats the thing Donk, I DONT care about her. The ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with shane was retarded "hey rick, the guy that left you at the hospital for dead, then banged me multiple times wants to kill you, you should DO something about it". He does, then she flips the hell out. Now that I think about it, they also handled the sex better in the comic, vs the show. The comic made it meaningful, and you kind of understand why Lori did it. In the show she was like "Hey, carl isnt around, lets go bang in the woods" all frisky like a damn teenager. No mourning, regret or nothing. Another reason why she is a ---smurfette---. I think Dale in the comic is more dynamic. The show Dale is kind of a whiny ---smurfette---. I wonder how they are going to do Abraham and the new people. I do like the CDC thing in the first season. And the "we are the walking dead" thing was well handled. Oh, Carol needs to die cause she is also annoying. Maggie is annoying too, but I would still totally do her.
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That's another thing I am betting on, they don't cut off Rick's hand, a lot of people think they sort of jumped the shark on it. At first it was like DAMN! I can't believe they would do that to a main character! But then, as issues went by, I wish it was something else. Rick would be better with two hands.
Show Maggie is WAY hotter than comic maggie.
See the thing about Lori, is that at least you HATE her, in the comic she was just sort of there.
Comic Dale wasn't dynamic, he was the same old man at the beginning as he was in the end, in the comic the only thing he does is make Andrea more interesting.
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Yeah, Im with you on that, they probably wont cut off Ricks hand, maybe they will do it to someone else, if at all. I wish Rick had 2 hands as well.
Haha well yeah, thats a real person, versus a drawing, and they dont have her hair too short, Im not a fan of really short hair. I wonder if they will kill off Hershel and she will try to commit suicide.
Dont get me wrong, she got on my nerves in the comic, but they explained it better, Rick was gone all the time, and she worried about him. And she was hormonal cause of the baby. She was cooler in the comic because she told Shane to ---fudgesicle--- off, in the show, she is mindfucking everyone, then ends up getting pissed at Rick.
I guess I should have rephrased, he made other people more dynamic, and the cannibal thing was rad. The show he was mostly annoying. Think about it. THINK DONK THINK. ;)
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As a non-Walking Dead comic reader, I am afraid to mouse over anything. This thread looks like a redacted CIA document ;D. Thanks for the spoiler tags, though.
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Finally got a chance to catch up with this season. I have to say...changing who kills Shane is huge...I didn't like that they changed that. It makes Rick a bit harder faster and without as good of a slow descent.
One big thing to remember, with the lack of zombie attacks, is that even the comic writers have said that the zombies are just scenery - they provide a backdrop to tell a character story. If there was zombie/action every episode it would get old fast - and would be just as bad on the 'realism' front since everyone would be dead FAST.
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I watched season 3 over the weekend.
Season 1 was good, season 2 stank until the last 5 minutes of it and this season was great.
Unfortunately I have low expectations for season 4. In the comics the prison was boring and that's why I stopped reading them.
As far as Daryl and Shane go. My take on it is both men were brought up differently. When things were normal they knew their place in the world and lived the life that was expected of them. When the world was turned upside and they no longer were constrained by family/society their true personalities came out.
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What you call seasons 2 and 3 were actually two parts of season 2 with a break in the middle.
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See, I didnt think the prison was that boring, everyone else said the same thing. I thought some crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happened while they were at the prison. You know, simple stuff like a prisoner decapitating 2 people from the group, Tyrese killing a gym full of zombies solo with a hammer, Rick losing his hand, the whole Governor debacle, oh, and I dunno, LORI AND HER BABY GETTING BLOWN IN HALF?!?! You guys are crazy. :P
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Yeah, I agree, I thought the prison was intersting. IMHO, it got boring after the prison, its starting to get interesting again though
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Yeah, I agree, I thought the prison was intersting. IMHO, it got boring after the prison, its starting to get interesting again though
In all honesty, I never got bored with em ever. Yeah, it was a little slow after they left the prison, but since so much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happened there, I think Kirkman wanted to give you a breather. Yeah, the little community they go to was a tad boring, but some crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- still happened. I couldnt stop reading them. What issue are they on? The last one I read was 91.
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94 or 95. Its getting good again, last issue was good.
I like TWD, it got me interested in reading comics again. Now I am looking for something else to tackle. I think I am going to read fables next
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Hell, I dont even know where to get them if I wanted to buy them. Barnes and Noble doesnt sell them, and there arent any more comics shops around me, at least I dont know where they are anyway.
Yeah, did the same for me. Shout out to my man Bootay. :cheers:
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Just get it digitally, I read all my comics on the Ipad
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Yea I got mine digitally too. I need to get the new ones. I haven't had much time.
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Walking Dead announced for Universal Studios Halloween Horror Nights..
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/18/the-walking-dead-comes-to-life-at-halloween-horror-nights (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/18/the-walking-dead-comes-to-life-at-halloween-horror-nights)