Walking Dead: Season 2

[Well Fed Games]

Well that's her own damn fault as well.  I mean she isn't out fighting zombies like the rest of them, in her mind "women should be in the kitchen"  and if that's the case maybe she should watch her idiot kid and beat the crap out of him when he runs off instead of doing nothing when he just wanders back in.

 

Its kind of ridiculous how often he is just wandering around. If he were my kid, he would never be out of sight in a zombie apocalypse. It borderlines on stupidity, thats one of the things that pisses me off about the writers too.

This is the one thing that really gets me, too... I have no problem suspending disbelief for a good TV show, but as far as the survivors know, Carl and Sophia were some of the only living children left IN THE WORLD. And they just lost one of them. The whole group should be keeping an eye on him.

Still... going to be a long wait till next season....

[Howard_Casto]

Another one:

[Green Giant]

I really like this one.

[Howard_Casto]

I like this one... it kind of sums up the latter half of season 2 pretty well.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two?sub=1474540_179082

[Ginsu Victim]

Some of those made me cry from laughing. Thanks for the link.

[Donkbaca]

Finally got my mitts on the comics.  I like the show better.  The first half of season two was not great, I think the last half was decent, can't wait for season three.

That being said, just watched the first episode over with a friend, man if this show had a budget and Darabont still attached, it would be SO epic.

[Mikezilla]

Really?! I like the comics a lot more. There were so many "WTF" moments, that I couldnt put em down. I read 90 issues in about 3 days. I do agree though, if Darabont was still the show runner, and they gave him some money, it would be insane.

Im still pissed off about the end of the last episode. 

[Donkbaca]

I like the show moreShane makes the show a lot better.  Dale gets killed earlier, and I think Dale is lame in the comic.  Lori is more interesting in the show, she doesn't have much personality in the comic.  Plus the show has Daryl and Merle.  I liked Tyrese in the comic, since he played a good foil to Rick.  Rick is a bit more dark in the comic.  Don't get me wrong, I love the comic, I am up to about issue 60 or 65 abouts, but the arc from the beginning to the prison, I think, is better on the show

[Bootay]

I couldn't disagree more Donk. The arc from the beginning to the prison was YAWN on the show. But to each their own. 

[Donkbaca]

The part from getting to Herschel's farm to the killing of sophia was a yawn, the rest was pretty good I think.  Character for character, its better. 

[Mikezilla]

I couldn't disagree more Donk. The arc from the beginning to the prison was YAWN on the show. But to each their own. 

  

[Howard_Casto]

 

What they said.  The exodus from the farm, for example, was frikkin epic in the comics.  It was still pretty good on the show, but aside from some interesting visuals it kind of paled in comparison.

[Dervacumen]

I ducked out of this thread a long time ago because I'm not into the comic, nor will I ever be.  The show, though, finally took a nice turn and got back to what grabbed me in the first place.  Anyone else keep seeing the parallels between this and Left 4 Dead?  Several scenes bring this to mind.

[Bootay]

Dervacumen: I didn't notice.

Donk: One thing I will give you is Shane has a lot more personality on the show. And Daryl is a cool character. I think Tyrese is the comic's Daryl. Other than that most of the other characters are better and less annoying in the books IMO. I'm not knocking the show at all though. I like both, but I personally found the comic much more exciting and they did a lot more unexpected things. I couldn't stop reading. Like Mikezilla I read 90 books in a weekend..I was so fascinated I could not stop. I couldn't wait to see what happened next.

I do actually love that the show and the comic are almost completely different though, because I can watch the show and not know what's going to happen next.

[Green Giant]

Dervacumen: I didn't notice.

Donk: One thing I will give you is Shane has a lot more personality on the show. And Daryl is a cool character. I think Tyrese is the comic's Daryl. Other than that most of the other characters are better and less annoying in the books IMO. I'm not knocking the show at all though. I like both, but I personally found the comic much more exciting and they did a lot more unexpected things. I couldn't stop reading. Like Mikezilla I read 90 books in a weekend..I was so fascinated I could not stop. I couldn't wait to see what happened next.

I do actually love that the show and the comic are almost completely different though, because I can watch the show and not know what's going to happen next.

They did even more unexpected stuff in the comics......damn.

And I thought the show was pretty crazy what with so much of the cast getting killed off.  Time to start reading I guess.

[Howard_Casto]

They really aren't different at all though.  Both the comic and the tv shows overall arcs are virtually identical.... it's just the random drama points inbetween zombie attacks that have been changed.  I mean yeah some things are going to have to be different, afterall there are different characters on the show, but for the most part....

Well except for season 1... season 1 was kind of a train wreck in places because they strayed too far from the comics.  You'll notice that things follow at lot more closely in season 2.  

But the comics may have ran their course.... you can stop reading after about issue 72... I'm bored to tears with their current situation atm.  Luckily it looks like things are about to change.

[Donkbaca]

I think they are very different:
The whole deal with CDC, not in the comic, that was pretty awesome I thought.  I like the TV Hershel better than the comic one.  The drama with the walkers in the barn goes down way better in the show than in the comic.  The whole stuff with Randall and the first encounter with other humans goes down pretty good in the show.  The circumstances with which they leave the farm is better on the show - big ass herd of zombies versus Hershel having a midol moment.  How is the exodus from the farm epic in the comics?  Hershel just tells them to leave, and they do.  Its WAY more epic on the show.

In terms of characters: Shane is MUCH better on the show, he dies like a book into the story.  Lori is better on the show.  Say what you want about her, and I don't like her much, but at least she has some depth, in the books she is just a one dimensional housewife that gets pissed at Rick for leaving her.  On the show see seems more of a coniving ---smurfette---.  Glenn is better on the show.  Rick - its a tossup, I think the show Rick is more badass, he has assumed more of a leaders role, versus a reluctant leader like he was in the book.  The comic is always best when there is another foil for Rick challenging his leadership, that is what made Tyrese cool, but the whole Rick/Shane thing in the show is MUCH better.  Andrea is probably cooler in the comic, but the whole Dale relationship was sort of lame.  I think she will end up being more badass in the show.  Dale is annoying in both... I don't know, I like the show arc better - in the comic they spend way too much time camping, the journey back into the city for guns in the book isn't as good as the one in the show where they look for Merle.  The drama of finding rick is better in the show, the CDC thing which isn't in the comic is better.  The tension between Hershel and the group is better in the show.  In all honesty I think the show is better. 

That being said, I don't know how the prison/governor stuff can be better on the show than in the book, but so far, I like the story in the show better.   

[Bootay]

HC: Not sure I agree. The show and comic are different enough that reading all the comics did not spoil the show at all because aside from the locations, very little is the same. I am fine with that though. If the show was exactly the same I would know everything that is going to happen which would be a little boring. The only thing the same about season 2 is they were at Hershels farm and he was keeping zombies in the barn, Glen is bonking the daughter..oh and Shane died...but not at all like he did in the book. Other than that...nothing was even similar at all.

[Donkbaca]

I agree, they are different, and I like the show version better so far

[Howard_Casto]

HC: Not sure I agree. The show and comic are different enough that reading all the comics did not spoil the show at all because aside from the locations, very little is the same. I am fine with that though. If the show was exactly the same I would know everything that is going to happen which would be a little boring. The only thing the same about season 2 is they were at Hershels farm and he was keeping zombies in the barn, Glen is bonking the daughter..oh and Shane died...but not at all like he did in the book. Other than that...nothing was even similar at all.

Oh you mean the key plot points for that story arc. 

What I'm saying is the show isn't unpredictable at all.  It's more unpredictable than most things on tv... that's why I watch it, but nothing terribly shocking has happened and you pretty much know where they are going to end up both location-wise and plot-wise by the end of each season. 

You've got to understand, I can smell bad writing a mile away and for 90% of the shows on tv, I can tell you what is going to happen by watching the first 5min of the show.  The fact that I complain about this show so much when they screw up story-wise is because it is very good.  It isn't the usual formulaic scifi crap so I expect more out of it.  I just want to see them keep improving it and one of the best ways to do that is arc completely away from the books.  I mean they HAVE to to the prison/governor bit... that's the best part, but after that they really need to go in their own direction because it's getting a little predictable. 

[Louis Tully]

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[Bootay]

Yea...compared to everything that was happening pre-prison and prison era in the comic, its not as exciting and I agree that it already peaked. But I still enjoy reading it. The story with the little town of people in the gated community was alright..not nearly as intense as the governor stuff though. But it gave you the opportunity to see how badass Andrea became at sharp shooting. I haven't read any of the comics in a while..I think the last one i read was 90 or 91. Can't remember. I need to catch up eventually.

HC: I see where you are coming from but I still don't find the show the same. It's like saying that the Dawn of the Dead remake was the same as the original because they still ended up at a mall. But I'm not going to debate it.

[Donkbaca]

I think its pretty different.  The group has a completely different dynamic, in the comic its Rick and Tyrese, on the show it was Rick and Shane.  Carol is a completely different character.  At this point there are no other children except for Carl, and that means he is going to develop way different than in the comic.   You know that certain things regarding are going to be different.  In season one, they kept talking about going to a military base, they never did during the comic.  The CDC bit wasn't in the comic, in the comic they go to that Evergreen Estates or whatever it was, and they didn't on the show. The lack of a relationship between Andrea and Dale totally changes the character of Andrea.

There are certain things that won't be done on TV.  I bet the governor is toned down a little and There is NO WAY that they show someone murdering Rick and Lori's baby.  My guess is that she either dies before it is born, or has some sort of miscarriage or something, no way they introduce a baby on the show and double no way they let one die. From a prodcution standpoint, after the prison, they wander around for like 20 issues.  That's not going to happen on the show.  They don't have the budget to be constantly moving around and changing locations like that. 

[Mikezilla]

See... Look what the show has done. Lori sucks so bad on the show, and is so annoying, I want her AND carl to die. When I read in the comic that they got blown in half, and saw the splash page I was like HOLY SHITBALLS!!! And made me read even faster. I hope she gets rolled over by the tank when they storm the prison. Blown in half would be great too. I just want her dead.

[yotsuya]

HOLY SHITBALLS!!!
 

[Bootay]

hahah Nice Mike.

Yea I remember reading the comic and the first time they showed Dale and Andrea doing it at Evergreen Estates I was like WHAT?! GROSS! Is that going to happen on the show?! And yea I was shocked as hell with the Lori and baby thing. I couldn't believe they did that...I was also kind of shocked at all the kid deaths. The Governor will be more than toned down. They cannot do any of the crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- from the comic in the show because they just can't do it on TV. I will be shocked if half that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happens. I was disappointed that Dale died so lame too. I would rather see him get half eaten by crazy cannibals. LOL

[Donkbaca]

Lori is an annoying ---smurfette---, but at least you care about her.  In the comic, she isn't a standalone character, she is just Rick's woman.  The whole her trying to terminate the preganancy isn't in the comic, the whole interaction with shane, and how she has been sort of standing up to Rick on the show, isn't in the comic.  Her character on the show is much more interesting.

I am on the fence about whether I like show Dale or comic Dale better.  I think offing him early will make Andrea more interesting in the end.  I never liked him much in the comic, though with him gone, they are missing out on the cannibals thing, though, really, they can run that story with any other peripheral character.  The most interesting thing about Dale is that he got bit and lived, and agian, they can do that same thing with other characters.

You don't really have to tone down the governor much, I imagine the fights are still there, he still has a zombie little girl, he's still psycho.  The only thing that will probably be different is the rape of Michone, he probably tortures her, and doesn't rape her, I am guessing, and her payback probably won't be as graphic. 

[Mikezilla]

Hehe 

Yeah Bootay, I was shocked at the kids deaths, but then I was shocked even more at Tyrese getting beheaded! And Rick losing his hand! And Rick getting with that other chick! And Rick chopping her hand off when she wouldnt let go of Carl! And Carl getting SHOT IN THE FACE. See how many shocking moments I listed there? How many shocking things happened during the show? Sophia being a zombie. I admit, I didnt see that til they opened the doors, but cmon.

Thats the thing Donk, I DONT care about her. The ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with shane was retarded "hey rick, the guy that left you at the hospital for dead, then banged me multiple times wants to kill you, you should DO something about it". He does, then she flips the hell out. Now that I think about it, they also handled the sex better in the comic, vs the show. The comic made it meaningful, and you kind of understand why Lori did it. In the show she was like "Hey, carl isnt around, lets go bang in the woods" all frisky like a damn teenager. No mourning, regret or nothing. Another reason why she is a ---smurfette---. I think Dale in the comic is more dynamic. The show Dale is kind of a whiny ---smurfette---. I wonder how they are going to do Abraham and the new people. I do like the CDC thing in the first season. And the "we are the walking dead" thing was well handled. Oh, Carol needs to die cause she is also annoying. Maggie is annoying too, but I would still totally do her.

[Donkbaca]

That's another thing I am betting on, they don't cut off Rick's hand, a lot of people think they sort of jumped the shark on it.  At first it was like DAMN! I can't believe they would do that to a main character!  But then, as issues went by, I wish it was something else.  Rick would be better with two hands.

Show Maggie is WAY hotter than comic maggie.

See the thing about Lori, is that at least you HATE her, in the comic she was just sort of there.

Comic Dale wasn't dynamic, he was the same old man at the beginning as he was in the end, in the comic the only thing he does is make Andrea more interesting.

[Mikezilla]

Yeah, Im with you on that, they probably wont cut off Ricks hand, maybe they will do it to someone else, if at all. I wish Rick had 2 hands as well.

Haha well yeah, thats a real person, versus a drawing, and they dont have her hair too short, Im not a fan of really short hair. I wonder if they will kill off Hershel and she will try to commit suicide.

Dont get me wrong, she got on my nerves in the comic, but they explained it better, Rick was gone all the time, and she worried about him. And she was hormonal cause of the baby. She was cooler in the comic because she told Shane to ---fudgesicle--- off, in the show, she is mindfucking everyone, then ends up getting pissed at Rick.

I guess I should have rephrased, he made other people more dynamic, and the cannibal thing was rad. The show he was mostly annoying. Think about it. THINK DONK THINK. 

[Well Fed Games]

As a non-Walking Dead comic reader, I am afraid to mouse over anything. This thread looks like a redacted CIA document  . Thanks for the spoiler tags, though.

[Necro]

Finally got a chance to catch up with this season.  I have to say...changing who kills Shane is huge...I didn't like that they changed that.  It makes Rick a bit harder faster and without as good of a slow descent.

One big thing to remember, with the lack of zombie attacks, is that even the comic writers have said that the zombies are just scenery - they provide a backdrop to tell a character story.  If there was zombie/action every episode it would get old fast - and would be just as bad on the 'realism' front since everyone would be dead FAST.

[Dartful Dodger]

I watched season 3 over the weekend.

Season 1 was good, season 2 stank until the last 5 minutes of it and this season was great.

Unfortunately I have low expectations for season 4. In the comics the prison was boring and that's why I stopped reading them.

As far as Daryl and Shane go. My take on it is both men were brought up differently. When things were normal they knew their place in the world and lived the life that was expected of them. When the world was turned upside and they no longer were constrained by family/society their true personalities came out.

[yaksplat]

What you call seasons 2 and 3 were actually two parts of season 2 with a break in the middle.

[Mikezilla]

See, I didnt think the prison was that boring, everyone else said the same thing. I thought some crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happened while they were at the prison. You know, simple stuff like a prisoner decapitating 2 people from the group, Tyrese killing a gym full of zombies solo with a hammer, Rick losing his hand, the whole Governor debacle, oh, and I dunno, LORI AND HER BABY GETTING BLOWN IN HALF?!?! You guys are crazy. 

[Donkbaca]

Yeah, I agree, I thought the prison was intersting.  IMHO, it got boring after the prison, its starting to get interesting again though

[Mikezilla]

Yeah, I agree, I thought the prison was intersting.  IMHO, it got boring after the prison, its starting to get interesting again though

In all honesty, I never got bored with em ever. Yeah, it was a little slow after they left the prison, but since so much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happened there, I think Kirkman wanted to give you a breather. Yeah, the little community they go to was a tad boring, but some crazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- still happened. I couldnt stop reading them. What issue are they on? The last one I read was 91.

[Donkbaca]

94 or 95.  Its getting good again, last issue was good.

I like TWD, it got me interested in reading comics again.  Now I am looking for something else to tackle.  I think I am going to read fables next

[Mikezilla]

Hell, I dont even know where to get them if I wanted to buy them. Barnes and Noble doesnt sell them, and there arent any more comics shops around me, at least I dont know where they are anyway.

Yeah, did the same for me. Shout out to my man Bootay. 

[Louis Tully]

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