Walking Dead: Season 2

[Mikezilla]

Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS.  Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up.    Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack.  So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong.  I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive.  Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better.  I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine. 

Slowing the pair down and revenge never even entered my mind as to why he shot Otis.  To me, the clear reason is because he realized they were both too tired and slow neither of them would make it to the truck before getting overrun by the zombies.  Shooting Otis caused all of the zombies chasing him to stop and eat Otis instead of continuing to chase him, which would give him plenty of time to make a slow escape to the truck.  It's like the old saying that you don't have to be faster than a bear to escape an attacking bear, you just have to be faster then the guy next to you.

+1. This is the reason why I thought Shane shot Otis as well, the revenge didnt even come into my mind. Of course, like I said earlier, my DVR was totally F'ed up so this episode kinda got screwed up for me.

I understand what you mean about the writing Howard. I thought yeah, the flare thing worked well, why not light a damn car on fire with one of those flares?

Also, Shane is just annoying, with his blank stares, and gaping mouth etc. I hope he does get killed, but he probably wont. The wife needs to get eaten too, for being a whore. The chick at the ranch, the one that gave the korean kid something to drink and was talking about god, is oddly attractive. I hope thats her shirt they take off during the promo for the next episode. 

The blonde chick with the gun needs to die too, and they need to meet some new people. I like Darrel, but, I dont like how his character flipped a 180 from last season to this one. The first season he was a ---tallywhacker--- to everyone CONSTANTLY, and now he is semi nice, and cares for the stupid little girl, and is all nice to everyone. Does she die or what?!

[lordnacho]

Flares was a good idea, busting the door open later wasn't.  Stealth mission failure

[ChadTower]

Why would you apologize to someone if shooting them out of revenge?  That was clearly a case of leaving the slow guy for the grizzly to chew on. 

[Mikezilla]

Why would you apologize to someone if shooting them out of revenge?  That was clearly a case of leaving the slow guy for the grizzly to chew on. 

Exactly. If it was for revenge he would have said something like "this is for carl" or "thats what you get for being fat" or "Im a big dick and I hate everyone". I dunno. I think he did it so it would guarantee his survival. He was fat too, so they probably were chewing on him for a long time.

[Necro]

Yeah, this is the start of Shane's downward spiral.  And like I said earlier - don't worry if you don't like someone, almost everyone will be dead soon anyway!

[Howard_Casto]

Shane was the one slowing the pair down, NOT OTIS.  Shane actually falls twice due to his bumb leg and Otis helps him up.    Otis is a big guy, and he's carrying the heaviest pack.  So to those of you who thought Shame shot him because he was "slowing them down" you are dead wrong.  I sincerely hope we learn later on that he simply shot him out of revenge, because shooting him actually made things worse and severely lessened his chances of getting back alive.  Also that bumb leg sure seemed to get better.  I mean he was barely standing on it while carrying his lighter, smaller pack and yet he manages to get back with BOTH packs just fine. 

Slowing the pair down and revenge never even entered my mind as to why he shot Otis.  To me, the clear reason is because he realized they were both too tired and slow neither of them would make it to the truck before getting overrun by the zombies.  Shooting Otis caused all of the zombies chasing him to stop and eat Otis instead of continuing to chase him, which would give him plenty of time to make a slow escape to the truck.  It's like the old saying that you don't have to be faster than a bear to escape an attacking bear, you just have to be faster then the guy next to you.

+1. This is the reason why I thought Shane shot Otis as well, the revenge didnt even come into my mind. Of course, like I said earlier, my DVR was totally F'ed up so this episode kinda got screwed up for me.

I understand what you mean about the writing Howard. I thought yeah, the flare thing worked well, why not light a damn car on fire with one of those flares?

Also, Shane is just annoying, with his blank stares, and gaping mouth etc. I hope he does get killed, but he probably wont. The wife needs to get eaten too, for being a whore. The chick at the ranch, the one that gave the korean kid something to drink and was talking about god, is oddly attractive. I hope thats her shirt they take off during the promo for the next episode. 

The blonde chick with the gun needs to die too, and they need to meet some new people. I like Darrel, but, I dont like how his character flipped a 180 from last season to this one. The first season he was a ---tallywhacker--- to everyone CONSTANTLY, and now he is semi nice, and cares for the stupid little girl, and is all nice to everyone. Does she die or what?!

If that's the case then it's poor writing/filming.  I mean I'm no expert and Shane is a colossal male genital, but if it were me I would have waited until the last possible second to shoot him, not when the zombies were 100 feet away, AREN'T GAINING AT ALL and there might still be a chance that they'll make it. 

I don't think he flipped at all.  I think he was always a good guy but was under the influence of his white trash brother.  Without him looking over his shoulder he's free to act how he wants instead of how he's expected to act.  That little story while they were walking in the woods kind of gave some insight into his horrible childhood.  He's kinda like Archie Bunker... at the beginning of the episode he says all of these horrible racist things and then he actually has to deal with what he was talking about in a real situation and he reluctantly takes them all back.  About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night. 

I still don't get how the little girl could be lost, but with the search being drawn out this long, I guess she is.  She must have the poorest sense of direction ever though, because they left the highway for like 5 minutes, it would be pretty damn hard to be lost for days.  Maybe somebody kidnapped her?

[ChadTower]

  About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night. 

You guys are too black and white on these things.  There is middle ground.  He really believes the girl can still be out there because he did it as a kid.  He also probably understood the mother's pain.  There is an area where he doesn't care as much about the girl as she does but he understands how destroyed her mother probably is without knowing.  It's the not knowing that is the problem.  He's right about one thing.  In that area of the country the girl could be holed up in any number of abandoned houses, shacks, sheds, barns, etc.  The weather is not going to kill her so she can stay there for quite a while if it's free of zombies.

[lordnacho]

If that's the case then it's poor writing/filming.  I mean I'm no expert and Shane is a colossal male genital, but if it were me I would have waited until the last possible second to shoot him, not when the zombies were 100 feet away, AREN'T GAINING AT ALL and there might still be a chance that they'll make it. 

I don't see it that way, he heard how far away they were.  Instinct kicked in, fight or flight, but he chose fight against the good guy.

I still don't get how the little girl could be lost, but with the search being drawn out this long, I guess she is.  She must have the poorest sense of direction ever though, because they left the highway for like 5 minutes, it would be pretty damn hard to be lost for days.  Maybe somebody kidnapped her?

Pretty easy to get lost in the woods, I've lost my path hiking and backtracked to find markers.  Without markers and zombies chasing me, I'd probably get lost too.

[Howard_Casto]

 About caring for the child.... I don't think it was so much that he cared (more than a normal human being would anyway), but that he didn't want to listen to the old woman wail all night.

You guys are too black and white on these things.  There is middle ground.  He really believes the girl can still be out there because he did it as a kid.  He also probably understood the mother's pain.  There is an area where he doesn't care as much about the girl as she does but he understands how destroyed her mother probably is without knowing.  It's the not knowing that is the problem.  He's right about one thing.  In that area of the country the girl could be holed up in any number of abandoned houses, shacks, sheds, barns, etc.  The weather is not going to kill her so she can stay there for quite a while if it's free of zombies.

Isn't that what I just said?  (note the anymore than a normal human would bit.)  


Actually, in this type of genere, it's the Gray Area that will get you killed.  Look at any zombie movie, comic, or hell any horror story in general.  There is a terrible thing going on and everybody is managing just fine, until one of three things happen:

1.  Somebody does something completely irrational because they let their emotions get the better of them.
2.  Somebody bases their actions on faith instead of logic/science/common sense. 
3.  Somebody  does something that is morally unforgiveable, like murder, letting somebody die that they could have saved ect..

After one of those three things happen it's a downward spiral of piled up bodies until only a couple remain, the few that never did one of the three things.   

It happend in all the dead movies, it happens in all the slasher flicks, it even happens in the Walking Dead comic series.   

So keep that in mind when the zombie apocalypse hits...  become an athiest, stay calm and rational and always be a straight arrow. 

[ChadTower]

You left out a couple:

4.  Someone is black.
5.  Someone has sex.
6.  Everyone is not Bruce Campbell.

[Louis Tully]

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[Louis Tully]

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[SNAAKE]

farmer's daughter

[ChadTower]

How nasty/awesome was that well scene? 

Stuff like that was a lot better when there was at least actual liquid involved.  Now it's all so CG it clearly doesn't even look like it happened in the same place. 

[lordnacho]

How nasty/awesome was that well scene? 

Nasty yes.  Kept wondering how dumb they were for trying that.

[CheffoJeffo]

How nasty/awesome was that well scene? 

Stuff like that was a lot better when there was at least actual liquid involved.  Now it's all so CG it clearly doesn't even look like it happened in the same place. 

No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.

[Howard_Casto]

farmer's daughter

Agreed, I wasn't paying much attention to the zombies this time around. 

Oh and she has a posh english accent in real life.  Bonus!

[ChadTower]

No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.

Then the real liquid scene was not filmed in the same place.  A lot of that liquid was clearly animated.  I suppose they could have pasted it in from a separate greenscreen shot but damn that just looked weird and made me miss 80s horror movies.

[Vigo]

I'd say it is probably the worst episode they have had so far. Hopefully it is just a "calm before the storm" episode.

I didn't even get the point of pulling the zombie from the well. The farm had 5 wells, and clearly nobody was gonna touch that water, even if they removed the zombie. It just seemed like they needed some sort of filler so they can say there was a zombie in that episode. Using Glen as bait? Couldn't they step up to a catching a squirrel as bait or something first? Throwing a person down a well with a nasty old rope and no winching equipment seems pretty ridiculous.

I don't get why Darryl went on with that out of character story about the cherokee rose. It would be a thousand times more consoling for her to hear "Hey, I think I found where your kid has been hiding out recently. When it's light again we will pick up the trail from there." 

I really hope they don't waste this whole season looking for that girl that they never even introduced to begin with.

[ChadTower]

Wells are not isolated.  They are groundwater.  Contaminating one can contaminate others or even them all in the right circumstances.

[Bootay]

I thought the well thing was stupid too. The reasoning for not just shooting the zombie was because they did not want to contaminate the water...but it was already obviously contaminated if a bloody, swollen zombie has been down there all this time. Pulling the zombie out was a dumb idea. Using Glen as bait was worse. With all that being said, if the water is contaminated (which nobody knows if it is) and the people on the farm have been using it all this time, does that mean that they are possibly infected?

It did seem like zombie filler.

[Vigo]

Wells are not isolated.  They are groundwater.  Contaminating one can contaminate others or even them all in the right circumstances.

There would be contamination from the zombie no matter what at that point. The dirt in the ground acts as a filter for most anything bacterial or viral that would spread, so they would probably be safe from the other wells if it was only 1 zombie. If they really wanted to kill as much infection as possible, they should have dumped gas down the shaft and lit him up. No matter what, they should just make a point to purify their water.

[CheffoJeffo]

No, it wasn't CG ... they blue-pants out the bottom half of the actor, but those were real fluids and prosthetics.

Then the real liquid scene was not filmed in the same place.  A lot of that liquid was clearly animated.  I suppose they could have pasted it in from a separate greenscreen shot but damn that just looked weird and made me miss 80s horror movies.

Why would I believe the guys who actually made it happen, and then showed how, over Chad ?

 

http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/inside-the-walking-dead-the-well-walker

[ChadTower]

Heh, okay, my original point still stands.  It looked stupid compared to the scenes we used to see in horror movies.  The tech they're using now is advancing but still lags behind stuff they were doing 30 years ago.

[garnerb350]

After seeing the previews of next week episode, i wouldnt be surprised if Merrell (Michael Rooker) has the girl...

[Bootay]

Mikezilla,

I started reading the comic, and back to the debate about how long Rick has been in a coma. You were right. A month, so yea....---stingray---! heh

This comic panel contains NO spoilers:

[Howard_Casto]

Mikezilla,

I started reading the comic, and back to the debate about how long Rick has been in a coma. You were right. A month, so yea....---stingray---! heh

This comic panel contains NO spoilers:

I didn't think there was really a debate going on over how long he was in a coma (give or take a week or two).  It's quite obvious really.  If you are abandoned in a hospital with only whatever remaining IV drips they have hooked up to you, you can't survive THAT long.  So regardless of how long he was in the coma, he had only been abandoned and "assumed dead" for a couple of days to a week or two tops, or else he would have starved to death. 

[Bootay]

Ok, "debate" was probably a poor choice of words..there wasn't a debate about it. I was just letting Mikezilla know that they do tell how long he was out in the comic. The TV show never stated.

And so far, for the most part, the comic is mostly like the show...I am only on issue 5 though. A few things happen slightly different or at different times than they do in the TV show. But it is a good read. I would recommend it.....so far that is.

[ChadTower]

All that says is that he was in the coma for the past month.  It doesn't say he was walking around before that.  He could have been in the coma for the prior five months too and still answered the question that way.

[Howard_Casto]

You are missing the point Chad.  The point of that conversation was that Rick has only been "assumed dead" for a month because that's roughly how long it's been since the zombie apocalypse happened. 

It doesn't matter if he was in the coma any longer because if he was that they were sleeping together back then it's even worse.  (Obviously they weren't but just as an example.)

Getting back on topic, how awesome is Darrel?  When I saw the "scenes for next week" last week  I thought to myself "Man some Rambo ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- is going down next week"  and boy was I right!  Pulls the arrow out THE WRONG WAY and still manages to shoot the zombie.  That's a man right there. 

Looks like they are back on track with the books what with Hershel hoarding zombies and all.  And they are still planning on going to the fort as well.  Man I sure hope they don't set next season in the damn prison. 

[ChadTower]

You are missing the point Chad. 

Or perhaps my point is different than yours, Howard.  Yours is not the only possible point of view.

[Bootay]

I am on #40 of the comics now and boy are they better than the show. The show is still good though. But man, I bet half the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that happens in the comic will never make it to the show. LOL The comic is freaking brutal.

The amount of time Rick was in a coma doesn't actually matter once you read the comic. Shane and Lori only hook up one time in he comic and she immediately admits it was a mistake. In the show they have an actual relationship until Rick comes back. Either way...she still cheated. But in the comic she feels guilty about it and regrets it right away.

Back to the show...I haven't watched this week's episode yet. Glad to see they are back on track with the comic though.

[ChadTower]

Yeah, it really only matters if you have some need to morally judge the woman for the fling.  If you don't really care that some fictional chick was banging some guy then the coma timeline isn't terribly important.

[Mikezilla]

Yeah, it really only matters if you have some need to morally judge the woman for the fling.  If you don't really care that some fictional chick was banging some guy then the coma timeline isn't terribly important.

Well, the show is classified as a drama, and thats how they are marketing it, and yes, I do feel the need to morally judge her because its a show. If it was a comic it would be different, because its a different medium. Now, if it was just a one time thing, then the coma timeline wouldnt really matter, but they changed that for the show, because, like I said, they are pushing the drama aspect to snag a broader audience.

And Howard, use some spoiler tags next time, this is for the show, not the damn comic.

Since everyone has read the damn comic, I guess we cant discuss why the hell Herschel is hoarding zombies... 

[ChadTower]

Not everybody has read the comic.  I haven't.

[Mikezilla]

Not everybody has read the comic.  I haven't.

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Ok then. Howard butt out. 

Any ideas why Hershel is hoarding zombies?! I dont think a Vet could try to come up with a cure, so thats out of the question. Dont really think he could use them as beasts of burden either. Is he keeping them as a personal guard, so if hostile people come he could just release the zombies and they will attack the interlopers? 

[ChadTower]

Apparently that was last night's episode?  Shouldn't that be in spoilers?  I watched the Patriots game instead.

[Bootay]

Mikezilla, if you really want to know:

Removed. I just realized that you didn't actually want to know but wanted people who DON'T know to comment. I did have it in spoiler tags...but once I realized what you meant I just removed it all.

[Mikezilla]

Ooops haha my bad. Im at work and didnt realize I didnt put that in spoilers. Sorry everyone.

No thats cool Bootay, you put your stuff in spoilers, so I didnt read it. I mean, I wanted to, but I didnt. 

Barnes and Noble has the compendium of the first 48 issues for 60 bucks. Im wondering if I should get it.

[Louis Tully]

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