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Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« on: October 28, 2009, 05:38:32 pm »
Netflix Officially Coming to PS3

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 05:41:34 pm »
Another reason for me to want one. A blu-ray player and The Last Guardian were reason enough for me to want one, but this seals the deal.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 06:56:42 pm »
Agreed. I have two PS2 compatible 80gb PS3s...mind you mostly for Blue Ray, Divx etc but this will be a great bonus feature.
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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 06:58:41 pm »
It's interesting that it REQUIRES a BD Live disc to start.  If it uses BD Live why does it even need a PS3 and not any other BD Live capable player?

I've also heard that it won't be untill 'late next year' that NetFlix could be integrated into the PS3 firmware.  ...Why a whole year?

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 11:59:18 pm »
the disc is supposed to be here next month

the firmware delay may be due to legal issues (otherwise why bother with the whole disc thing in the first place?)

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 09:57:33 am »
It's interesting that it REQUIRES a BD Live disc to start.  If it uses BD Live why does it even need a PS3 and not any other BD Live capable player?

I've also heard that it won't be untill 'late next year' that NetFlix could be integrated into the PS3 firmware.  ...Why a whole year?

Yeah it should work in any capable Bluray player, assuming it fully supports BD Live.

They had an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft, so making a generic disc may be their way around it.  Or Sony may just not be willing to allocate resources to integrate it.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 03:03:00 pm »
Licensing dictates that they can not have the app on the Console, however it has been rumored that next year there will be a dash update to allow the app to reside on the PS3.

Just as well there is a rumor that the WiiHD will be released next year and of course Netflix support for it as well. In the mean time possibly lowDef Netflix to be released this year. ;)

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 04:10:01 pm »
Currently I play Netflix on my PS3 using PlayOn...

... which is free to use for 30 days...  but everytime they update (which is often), they reset the clock on the 30 days.

I will be glad when its official, then I won't need a PC on just to stream Netflix.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 10:26:42 am »
Currently I play Netflix on my PS3 using PlayOn...

... which is free to use for 30 days...  but everytime they update (which is often), they reset the clock on the 30 days.

I will be glad when its official, then I won't need a PC on just to stream Netflix.

I bought PlayOn when it was onsale for $20.  I have a 360 though so I use it for Hulu, South Park, and Gametrailers streaming.  Been well worth it.  I dont know how often they put it on sale, but for $20 its been great.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 05:49:23 pm »
Playon is having a $10 sale right now if you sign up for a month trial of Gamefly at $9.  If you don't have either one that's a pretty awesome deal.

I don't really like Playon much as I'm spoiled by my WD TV, but it's a nice option to have when I want to watch something on my PS3, which doesn't like any of my media for some reason.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 09:50:13 am »
Playon is having a $10 sale right now if you sign up for a month trial of Gamefly at $9.  If you don't have either one that's a pretty awesome deal.

I don't really like Playon much as I'm spoiled by my WD TV, but it's a nice option to have when I want to watch something on my PS3, which doesn't like any of my media for some reason.

The number one reason to have PlayOn is for streaming Hulu to a tv. Isn't the WD TV just a local media player?



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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 01:17:41 am »
Playon is having a $10 sale right now if you sign up for a month trial of Gamefly at $9.  If you don't have either one that's a pretty awesome deal.

I don't really like Playon much as I'm spoiled by my WD TV, but it's a nice option to have when I want to watch something on my PS3, which doesn't like any of my media for some reason.

The number one reason to have PlayOn is for streaming Hulu to a tv. Isn't the WD TV just a local media player?

You can turn a WD TV into a streaming player with an unofficial firmware and a USB network adaptor, but I don't know if it does Hulu.  I prefer to download entire videos then play them locally at my convenience.  I don't like to rely on an internet connection and don't like turning on a PC just to act as a middleman.




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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 01:29:47 am »
I don't own a PS3 (just not enough games that I want to play on it). The fact that Netflix is coming to it still excites me though.  I have enjoyed the service on my 360 for sometime now. With it coming to PS3 and soon to Wii, it can only be a matter of time till it will be on iPhones, Zune HD's, and other such mobile devices.  When/If that happens you may actually see this fat man cry tears of pure joy. 

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 10:29:27 pm »
I got a notice from netflix saying the disc for the PS3 will be here tomorrow

I'll let you all know how it goes

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 08:09:28 am »
I got a notice from netflix saying the disc for the PS3 will be here tomorrow

I'll let you all know how it goes

Ooh it's ready already?  I'll have to get on my Netflix account and order it...

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 11:12:26 am »
Thanks for the heads up Bender.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 05:12:43 pm »
the only downside is you have to have the disc in the PS3 in order for Netflix to run (till next year when a firmware update)
I guess that's how they got around the Xbox exclusive deal

EDIT: that and the fact that it won't connect to netflix, so right now it doesn't work at all :angry:
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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2009, 07:38:36 pm »
EDIT: that and the fact that it won't connect to netflix, so right now it doesn't work at all :angry:

The disk thing doesn't bother me, but the not working thing is a bit of a pain.

Have you the latest PS3 update?

I doubt they'd have sent out a disk that doesn't work, unless Sony is being an donkey by releasing an upgrade that blocks Netflix’s work around disk because they want you rent your downloaded movies from the Sony store.

I bought a 3rd party remote.  It was working fine when I bought it, but after one of the upgrades it stopped working.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 09:57:18 pm »
I have the latest update
I think sony is in on the whole thing w/netfix so I don't think is is on there end
The disc loads  and the Netfix program runs and then comes up with an error message that says it can't conect to netfix and to try again later, I've tried for a few hours now and still get the same ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- :banghead:

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2009, 02:32:19 pm »
For the first time in the life of the PS3, I've got to concur with you all....NOW with the price being lowered to $299, the Blue-Ray DVD built in, and Netflix....man, I can't wait to get a full-time job again.  Ask me how long it'll take me to buy one - go ahead, ask (and you all KNOW what a Wii fan I am :D).

Seriously though, as I explained to my mother (who patiently listens to her son go on and on about retrogaming), it makes no sense to go spend even $100 on a low end blue ray player alone when, for another 200 I get a gaming system with great graphics to boot.  I still say there aren't that many games out yet that I'd like to play on it, BUT if I find even three or four it pays for itself with the blue-ray player as part of the deal.

Kudos to Sony for getting that deal done and making the PS3 nearly irresistable.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2009, 05:36:23 pm »
OK, got it work

I had the date set to 2010 as a work around to disable the stupid ticker they now have in the upper right hand corner (Drives me nuts)

I fixed the date and bingo Netfix works perfectly

Runs good A little slower than on my Mac or Xbox but once you get a movie running it's fantastic! HD stuff loads quicker believe it or not

Now I just have to figure out another way to get rid of the annoying ticker

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2009, 06:40:12 pm »

(and you all KNOW what a Wii fan I am :D).


If all you've got is a Wii you ain't gonna have a hard time finding good games.  There are more than a few worthwhile PS3 exclusives, but between the exclusives and the multiplatform games that you can't play thanks to the Wii's lack of horsepower, there's a whole library of great games out there that you haven't played.

But $300 is still a bit tough with the Xbox 360 out there, IMO.  Both Walmart and Amazon ran deals today where you got a free $100 gift-card when you buy a $200 Xbox 360.  So . . . yeah, for some reason that I have difficulty articulating I actually want a PS3 more than a 360.  But a $300 PS3 vs. a $100 360, well . . . damn it Sony!  Throw a guy a bone!  Bluray's great and all, but $300 is how much a console should cost on the first day it goes on sale, not three years after its release date (particularly not a substantially neutered version of the machine).  Still really want one, though.   :dunno  

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2009, 02:17:03 am »
Beat me to it shmokes, but yeah saw the 360 deal at Wal-Mart too. Damn!  What to do! :banghead:

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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2009, 01:44:07 pm »
Sweet!  This will save me from building a new computer for my entertainment center.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2009, 03:33:03 pm »
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2009, 03:34:48 pm »
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I should be getting it in just under a week after ordering it.

Hey, mine's coming the same day...   :applaud:

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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2009, 01:26:03 pm »
I got my disk last night.  I was watching movies in about an hour.     :applaud:
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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2009, 10:37:01 am »
Got my disk, it was very smooth.  Gave me a code to input at the Netflix website, did that, and I was up and running in about 5 minutes total.   :cheers:

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2009, 11:09:06 am »
Trying to talk my wife into getting me a PS3 for Christmas. Thinking I'll probably buy her a netbook.

Netflix makes it easier to talk her into it.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2009, 11:31:08 am »

Isn't there a good amount of overlap in the capabilities of the two?  If you can browse the web on both... stream netflix to both...

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2009, 11:46:04 am »
BlueRay on the PS3...  also... how good is a netbook at driving a large, hi-def display?

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2009, 11:51:43 am »

Isn't there a good amount of overlap in the capabilities of the two?  If you can browse the web on both... stream netflix to both...

She wants something she can browse online with or pull up recipes / patterns while she works.

Also, a netbook isn't powerful enough for high quality video streaming.

The main thing of it is: she wants her own computer because I won't let her on mine.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2009, 11:53:46 am »
BlueRay on the PS3...  also... how good is a netbook at driving a large, hi-def display?


Heh, I tend to forget that for a lot of people everything has to be HD now.   :)  

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2009, 11:59:44 am »
For me, not everything...

I like my sports in HD, and I like my action / sci-fi movies in HD (on Blu-Ray).  For other stuff, comedies, etc, standard def is fine.

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2009, 12:00:23 pm »
Pixar films in HD are amazing, btw...

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2009, 12:36:16 pm »
Heh, I tend to forget that for a lot of people everything has to be HD now.   :)  

I haven't taken advantage of my 1080p TV, so I'm hoping to do so very soon. I'm still running everything standard def (I don't count the 480p from my PS2 -- though GT4 and Tourist Trophy look nice at 720p and 1080i).

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2009, 12:39:25 pm »

My TVs aren't big enough for it to make a difference worth much effort.  They max out at 32".  I think the highest I ever get is 720p from XBMC but that is usually upscaled from a divx rip so it probably doesn't matter.

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2009, 12:42:31 pm »
I can tell a difference in 720p and 1080p on my 32".

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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2009, 12:53:50 pm »
I can tell a difference in 720p and 1080p on my 32".


Yeah, but can tell and the difference is enough to replace hardware over aren't the same thing.  And we're not talking native 720p, we're talking upscaled 720p from a compressed DVD rip.  I might feel differently if there were an XBMC equivalent in that range that runs on $50 hardware.

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Re: Netflix Officially Coming to PS3
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2009, 12:55:57 pm »
I was talking native. Obviously Divx or XviD wouldn't even enter into what I meant.