Hallowindow III

[Fordman]

Since its October, I'm in the Halloween mood and I'm doing some testing. I bought a shower curtain for $2.00 at Big Lots. Hung it up a week ago to help the folds work their way out. Its at about 40% right now.

I used my Dell 3300MP projector tonite for some testing. Here are the results:



and

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw6MFHEj9tM[/youtube]

These were taken with my cell phone camera.

Im thinking about adding this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4LVLpNhiY[/youtube]

or this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eNh8RDr7QM[/youtube]

I like Hallowindows eye better, but I think they want too much for what it is and the 2 hours it will get used.

 

Fordman

[instinct]

SO who's got the torrent?

[protokatie]

SO who's got the torrent?

Did you read the terms of agreement before joining this forum?

[shardian]

SO who's got the torrent?

Wow, that's a super awesome first post, there newbie...

This ain't no corporate giant that you need to fight oppression from - just pay the man for his excellent homebrew product.

[SkateDetroit]

I bit, this is too cool to pass up on. Just got an old projector from work. Can't wait to get the dvd.

Update: Got the dvds, picked up a clearance curtain from Target. Hooked up the old projector in the garage and a PA monitor. It's an amazing effect. The sound makes all the difference. If you've got a way, pump out that sound. Looks great.

Thanks for pointing this out!

[shmokes]

Assult implies intent most of the time.  I don't know that "have some jolly ranchers" is the same as "I intend to harm you".  Just don't shoot it at them out of a potato cannon and you'll be fine.

Intent would definitely be present in this scenario for the tort assault (though probably not for criminal assault).  You don't need to "intend to harm someone"; you just need to intend to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact.  And what you actually intended is immaterial.  The question is whether a reasonable person would expect his actions to cause someone to apprehend imminent harmful or offensive contact.  Apprehension is similarly measured.  The question is whether a reasonable person would apprehend harmful or offensive contact.  In this case you might run into trouble because it's likely easier to create an apprehension of harmful contact in the mind of a child than an adult, and you are presumably firing your candy at children.

[ChadTower]

That's why everyone hates lawyers... they can even make throwing candy at a trick or treater sound like you went after him with a Buick.

[Fordman]

But really,

Why throw candy at trick or treaters to begin with? If you shoot it out of a potato gun, no one will likely come back year after year. If you dont want to give candy, then leave the porch light off and or ignore the knocks. Chances are the 'word' on the street will be, dont go to that guys house!

If you invite people to your house, suchs as TOT's, then shoot them with a potato gun full of candy, then you open yourself up to assault because they didnt tresspass, you invited them with honsest intentions. I'll bet if you shoot a kid with a potato gun, you'll get a visit from local/county police within minutes and maybe some street justice!

Fordman

[ChadTower]

No one said he intended to use a potato gun.   

[shmokes]

Is it too late to suggest the potato gun.

If it makes you feel better I was speaking only about intent and whether shooting candy at children would count as an assault.  In fact it would really probably be no big deal if you did this and were sued for assault.  Assault is almost always charged alongside battery, but if there was no battery there are three types of damages you might be required to pay: compensatory (like if the kid is so distraught that he suffers physical harm like he starts vomiting or something), nominal, punitive.  Nominal damages exist just to acknowledge that a person's rights were technically violated but not in any way that is truly worthy of compensation -- you might be ordered to pay $1 to the person.  And punitive damages are only awarded in especially egregious situations, like if you were knowingly putting kids lives in danger for fun or something.  In this case you'd hopefully only pay nominal damages (unless you used the potato gun of course). 

On the other hand, if a piece of that candy hits a kid that's a battery.  In fact, if it even hits the kid's candy bag it's a battery. 

[Chris]

The front window of my house looks in on the game room so I usually just open the window a bit, turn the cab to face the window, and leave House of the Dead II running in attract mode.

[ChadTower]

Damn, I have to get to work suing the Boy Scouts, Little League, the FPD, the PD, and all of the tow truck companies!  They throw candy at my kids every year during the 4th of July parade! 

---daisies---!   

[ChadTower]

They definitely still do it here.  My kids bring small buckets to store it all.  They get nearly as much at each parade as they do on Halloween.  Hell last year my kids even brought sticks with them so they could rake in pieces that didn't make it far enough to reach from the sidewalk.

[Fordman]

Damn, I have to get to work suing the Boy Scouts, Little League, the FPD, the PD, and all of the tow truck companies!  They throw candy at my kids every year during the 4th of July parade! 

---daisies---!   

but at a parade or public event, there is no 'intent' to harm with he likes of a potato gun or just cocking the arm back and throwing it at them at your top speed!

A little different, but really, you see the point!

 

Fordman

[ChadTower]

but at a parade or public event, there is no 'intent' to harm with he likes of a potato gun or just cocking the arm back and throwing it at them at your top speed!

Again... nobody said he intended to use a potato gun.  That was a joke.

[shmokes]

And again, it's all about the apprehension of offensive contact.  A kid at a parade expects to have candy thrown at him.  That's what he's there for.  That's what he's prepared for.  If you come run out of your house and start unexpectedly firing candy at kids from some strange contraption the question becomes whether a reasonable person would expect this to cause another reasonable person to apprehend harmful or offensive contact.  

Of course this is all academic.  A judge may well roll his eyes and dismiss the case as lacking merits, in spite of the technical validity of such an assault claim.  Or maybe as I mentioned before, the law would be technically respected, but the absurdity of the claim is also acknowledge with nominal damages like $1 being awarded which not only doesn't cover the "victim's" lawyer fees, but doesn't even come close to covering basic court costs like filing fees.  The reality is that it's prohibitively expensive.  Nobody would actually sue you for this except an independently wealthy person who really ---smurfing--- hates you.  God knows a lawyer would never take the case on a contingency agreement cos he would never be paid.  Nothing to fuss over.

[ChadTower]

That's what he's there for.

Trick or Treating.

That's what he's prepared for.

Costume.  Bag.  Entering someone else's property on the assumption that they are welcome.

If you come run out of your house and start unexpectedly firing candy at kids from some strange contraption the question becomes whether a reasonable person would expect this to cause another reasonable person to apprehend harmful or offensive contact.  

Halloween.

[shardian]

Lawyers - they take all the fun out of hypothetical situations. 

Oh,  and I also thought about mentioning the parades. Some of the local ones still do candy. Last year, we went to one that had so much candy that even kids stopped picking it up after a while.

And yeah, some of those little league kids like to throw the candy hard.

[shmokes]

That's what he's there for.

Trick or Treating.

That's what he's prepared for.

Costume.  Bag.  Entering someone else's property on the assumption that they are welcome.

If you come run out of your house and start unexpectedly firing candy at kids from some strange contraption the question becomes whether a reasonable person would expect this to cause another reasonable person to apprehend harmful or offensive contact.  

Halloween.

These are, of course, your legal arguments.  You're either convincing or not.  But the other side would do a lot of theatrics and eye rolling, asking whether a reasonable kid expects to have candy converted into projectiles and fired at them from some kind of device when they knock on the door and hold out their bags for candy.  They would be rather persuasive arguments.  I think the majority of people would, in fact, be rather surprised by this behavior.  Again, I only mean that it's very likely a technical assault, not that you shouldn't do it.  I think you most definitely should do this.  And it would almost certainly be fun and consequence free.

[ChadTower]

Yeah.  And OTOH, it's Halloween, and people jumping out from around corners with hockey masks is not unusual.  Especially on their own property. 

[HaRuMaN]

Hmm, shmokes says I can...

*goes home and fashions a foam sabot so I can load it with candy and place in a potato gun*

[crashwg]

Potato guns are illegal basically everywhere, fwiw.

That's the first I've heard a statement like that?  Can you cite any documents to back this up?  I'm especially interested in specifics on what would qualify since, I myself, have what I'm sure would be considered a "potato gun" (even though I only shoot tennis balls) and another compressed air rifle which works on the same concepts of a potato gun but has a 1" barrel out of which glow-sticks are the main projectile.

It would sure be nice to know if I were breaking the law...

[protokatie]

Hmm, a friend of mine is the founder of the "Bar Harbor Siege Engine Machine Society" and they used to use a small catapult to throw candy at kids during the parade... Too bad I wasn't there when they were doing it, I might get a bit sadistic with the aim. 

[Hoopz]

New downloads available:

http://www.hallowindow.com/products?downloadable=1

[SkateDetroit]

Here's my setup so far. This was taken in broad daylight with a crappy cam but you get the idea. My projector is only 700 lumens, curtain from Target on clearance, 15 inch PA speaker system for sound (Music playing was added after the fact, crappy camera doesn't pick up sound very well). For some reason I cannot get sound from this video in Chrome. Works fine in IE though.

- Austin

[danny_galaga]

Having bought Hallowindow II last year, I received an email today that the new version is available.  I haven't decided if I am going to get it yet, but I wanted to make sure that everyone else had the chance.  I think he ran out of DVDs last year and then offered it as a download.  Hopefully anyone that wants it will pay for the DVD this year.

http://www.hallowindow.com/

The previews look good.  His work is very high quality.

Geez, SOUND warning! I guess halloween themed things are supposed to make you jump...

[SkateDetroit]

Having bought Hallowindow II last year, I received an email today that the new version is available.  I haven't decided if I am going to get it yet, but I wanted to make sure that everyone else had the chance.  I think he ran out of DVDs last year and then offered it as a download.  Hopefully anyone that wants it will pay for the DVD this year.

http://www.hallowindow.com/

The previews look good.  His work is very high quality.

Geez, SOUND warning! I guess halloween themed things are supposed to make you jump...

If it's too loud...

[SkateDetroit]

If you open up the discs and play the files with something like VLC player you will see there are some additional animations. Mostly these are just the same from the DVD menu in different colors. I found the ghost scene in red which I like better. There were a couple on the Hallowindow 3 disc as well.