Author Topic: Raiden Cab Project - New Pics with coin door. 98% finished (for now) (Read 13392 times)

BurgerKingDiamond · « **on:** October 05, 2009, 12:23:25 am »

Hey. I've been looking at this forum for a few days and some of these projects have blown my mind. In particular the viewlix slim cab, bender foldable mini bartop, and especially the futuristic one made by the Australian guy (sorry I don't remember your name). Anyways, I just recently finished my own cabinet which I built with the help of this book : http://www.amazon.com/Project-Arcade-Build-Your-Machine/dp/0764556169/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254715706&sr=8-1. I want to show it off a little and see what you guys think about it. Also I want some opinions on what to do with the control panel artwork. Right now it is plain black, but I'm a little bored with it and want to add sth. I didn't originally have a direction for the art, I just decided to go with Raiden since i found an original marquee and I happen to like shmups.

-In the pic of the full cab the sideart is just done in photoshop for now. Right now the only actual art on the cab is the marquee.

-The other two pics are just ideas I did in photoshop.

I want to keep a blue color scheme going to tie in with the controls and the marquee. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. and if anyone gets inspired to create sth that would be awesome!

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #1 on:** October 05, 2009, 12:32:14 am »

Oh. also, before anyone nominates me for crapmame

, I know there are some issues with the bezel that I haven't worked out yet. They stick out like a sore thumb on the control panel shots. Oh, also I forgot to mention that the monitor rotates. I made the rotation setup by mounting the monitor to a lazy susan. However, because of where the power cords come out of the back I wasn't able to mount the monitor in the exact center (it is a little low). As a result, when the monitor is in the rotated (counter clockwise) to the vertical position it is a little off center towards the right. It looks ok though in the horizontal position.

bradx · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2009, 12:57:55 am »

the control panel is enormous for such a simple setup.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2009, 01:23:43 am »

There is a lot of empty real estate, but I wanted to be able to comfortably play 2 player fighting games without bumping elbows.

syph007 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:18:13 pm »

I've never seen a 6 button group at that extreme of an angle. Does that really work well for fighters?

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:31:10 pm »

It's the most comfortable way for me to play, although I will admit though that I'm not very good at fighters (I do like to play them though). I haven't seen any others like it either but It feels good to me. When I rest my hand on the panel it is the most natural way for my fingers to go. It allows me to have my elbow out at more of an angle. (I'll take a pic with my hand on the panel to illustrate.)It also works well for the shmups I play like Dodonpachi. the far right button on the top row for bombs and the one to the left of it for shot.

emphatic · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:44:52 pm »

If you're gonna play fighters, don't you have the wrong Raiden pictured?

Also, don't you use full auto on C in DoDonpachi?

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:50:05 pm »

well I actually like shmups more, but I wanted to have to option to play fighters as well. So thats why I did a 6 button layout. You bring up a good point about the auto fire in dodonpachi. I assign a button to it the normal way but it doesn't work when I play the game. So I just got used to playing it without. It would be nice though to not have to constantly mash the fire button the whole time.

Franco B · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:52:02 pm »

I like the graphics but unless for some reason you (and all of your friends) forearms have been broken and reset at the wrong angle that will be the most uncomfortable layout ever.

Unless you are a mutant I recommend taking a look [here] Unusually the site seems to be down right but I'm sure it will be back up soon.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:58:25 pm »

Maybe my mom lied to me about my father or sth, and I have some mutant blood,but it feels comfortable to me.

Franco B · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:00:12 pm »

Fair enough if it works for you, it works for you. Good luck with it

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:10:39 pm »

Thanks Franco.

shponglefan · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:54:05 pm »

I like the second CP artwork. The button angle does seem extreme, but if it works, it works!

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:57:10 pm »

thanks shponglefan. I was leaning towards the second one too. One concern of mine is having the raiden logo too much. It's already on the marquee, which isn't going anywhere,and I really like it on the sideart. So my question is whether I should take it off the control panel. Your thoughts?

emphatic · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:20:57 pm »

Quote from: BurgerKingDiamond on October 05, 2009, 04:50:05 pm

You bring up a good point about the auto fire in dodonpachi. I assign a button to it the normal way but it doesn't work when I play the game. So I just got used to playing it without. It would be nice though to not have to constantly mash the fire button the whole time.

The game has built in auto fire for button 3 (C), but you have to enable it in the "dip switch" settings. This way, you can hold C and then press and hold A when you wanna use the Laser. Sorry for the off topic, but it is important!

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:34:33 pm »

Emphatic, that is great news! I'm gonna try it out as soon as I get home. BTW, what is your high score? Mine is 19.... million. I'm so close to 20 million and an extra ship but I keep blowing it. The problem is that my combos aren't that good. On a good run I can make it to the level 5 boss. However,a good ddp player would have a much better score by the time they got that far.

shponglefan · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:37:26 pm »

Quote from: BurgerKingDiamond on October 05, 2009, 05:57:10 pm

thanks shponglefan. I was leaning towards the second one too. One concern of mine is having the raiden logo too much. It's already on the marquee, which isn't going anywhere,and I really like it on the sideart. So my question is whether I should take it off the control panel. Your thoughts?

I don't think it looks bad on the CP. You could always shrink it down a bit so it's less prominent.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:47:19 pm »

I think the only way to settle it is to make a cheap print and place it and see.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2009, 10:02:42 pm »

Hey emphatic, I booted up dodonpachi and tried to find the dip switch settings you were talking about, but I don't see any. Can you help me out? Now that I know that it's possible to have autofire I want to play with it! Oh btw, after seeing your website I realize that your DDP high score is probably much better than my 19M

emphatic · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2009, 05:20:11 am »

Quote from: BurgerKingDiamond on October 05, 2009, 10:02:42 pm

Hey emphatic, I booted up dodonpachi and tried to find the dip switch settings you were talking about, but I don't see any. Can you help me out? Now that I know that it's possible to have autofire I want to play with it! Oh btw, after seeing your website I realize that your DDP high score is probably much better than my 19M

Sorry for the misinformation, you have to go into the game's service menu. Press F2 on your keyboard. And no, I don't think my score is higher, but somewhere in that ball park. I've played E.S.P. Ra.De. plenty more (I have the PCB). Look at this site for more info about the best shmups: http://www.world-of-arcades.net

Now that PS2 emulation is getting faster, you can play DoDonpachi Dai Ou Jou (even though it'll feel like a kick in the balls compared to the much friendlier DoDonPachi) and ESPGALUDA. ESPGALUDA is probably my favorite CAVE shmup.

Shortbus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:22:30 am »

Thats a clean looking cabinet, the artwork looks great with the black.....and if the layout suits you, cool....nice job....

Kman-Sweden · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2009, 08:43:30 am »

The CP overlay is really cool.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2009, 03:36:52 pm »

@ Kman thanks, I'm gonna clean it up in photoshop and do a test print. I'll post a pic whenever I actually get around to that (The fact that the cabinet is playable makes procrastinating way to0 easy.)

@Short bus thanks, I'm glad someone had sth to say other than how strange my button layout is.

Whatever though, I know this thread would be more interesting if I had progress shots, but I built it before I had ever hear of this forum and didn't see any need to document it at the time. Too bad though, it probably would have turned out even better with all the inspiration on this site. Hopefully I'll do another one in the not too distant future.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:46:13 pm »

Emphatic thanks! I'm using auto-fire now w/DDP. It's hard to get used to but my fingers are getting a much deserved rest. And as far as ps2 emulators go, my computer would never be able to run one of those. WHY doesn't CAVE release any of it's shmups outside of Japan?

Ahhhhh.

emphatic · « **Reply #24 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:43:19 am »

Quote from: BurgerKingDiamond on October 06, 2009, 09:46:13 pm

Emphatic thanks! I'm using auto-fire now w/DDP. It's hard to get used to but my fingers are getting a much deserved rest. And as far as ps2 emulators go, my computer would never be able to run one of those. WHY doesn't CAVE release any of it's shmups outside of Japan? Ahhhhh.

Mushihime Futari will be region free at least for the 360.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2009, 12:59:22 am »

So I just installed the control panel overlay and plexi glass last weekend. I did the design in photoshop and illustrator(for the logo). It is just a mix of 3 pics I got from a series of google image searches. A couple notes...
1) This cabinet is not meant to be a reproduction of an actual Raiden cab. I have no idea what an original Raiden cab looks like. I just like the game and when I found the marquee for sale I decided to use it and come up with the rest as I went along.
2) I know someone is bound to comment on the screws. I know the buttons would have been enough to hold down the plexi, but I didn't like that the plexi was able to be lifted up so much on the perimeter. It made me nervous so I decide to put in some screws. They are pretty small and I'm gonna paint them black when I get around to doing some other paint touch up. So I think it will still end up looking pretty clean

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3) Please try to ignore the ugly bezel for now. My next move is to redo the monitor rotation scheme and get the monitor centered better and then improve on the bezel.

ammitz · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2009, 03:55:30 am »

Why not paint the srews blue instead of black?

Btw I can understand why you would use screws, with that size of a CP and only a few centered buttons to hold it.

emphatic · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2009, 04:39:19 am »

I would keep them metal and also add some shiny, nice washers. Perhaps you can find some really cool bolts or something.

SpaceHedgehog · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:30:05 am »

There are hex key bolts that you can buy that come with different finishes and have a nice rounded top. I'll see if I can find a link to them . Effectively they're the ones used on the MadCatz TE fightstick:

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2009, 04:26:58 pm »

thanks SpaceHedgeHog. Find that link if you can. I like the look of those bolts.

SpaceHedgehog · « **Reply #30 on:** October 22, 2009, 04:36:39 pm »

No problem! From what I've read, they are M5 size button head hex socket screws. You should be able to source these fairly easily. There's a link to some examples here:

http://www.instockfasteners.com/PRODUCTS/hexsocketscrews.asp

If you fancy something with a little more bling:

http://forums.gameaxis.com/showthread.php?t=1513682

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #31 on:** March 17, 2010, 12:28:40 am »

I got rid of my old 17" Rotating LCD and replace it with a 27" Sony CRT TV for $70 connected through S-Video. It fit's perfectly ( I guess I got lucky). The picture quality is awesome (except for reading text in windows, but I just use the laptop for stuff outside of MALA). To anyone who's using an LCD monitor I would really recommend just putting in the biggest CRT TV that will fit in your cab and connect it through S-Video. It makes a huge difference.

Coming up I plan on making the bezel, replacing the black T-Molding with blue, laminating the exterior and adding a coin door. I'll post pics/updates as they come.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #32 on:** March 17, 2010, 12:32:48 am »

Can someone explain to me how to insert picture in the middle of text instead of having all show up at the bottom of the post?

Kurt · « **Reply #33 on:** March 17, 2010, 02:17:38 am »

You need to host them at www.photobucket.com or something along the lines.

It's free then you link an image to the img hosted address from photobucket etc etc.

Hewskie · « **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2010, 03:34:44 am »

or you can just post them in the sticky at the top of project announcements. make a blank post of your pictures, then open the post and copy paste the link locations to your project thread post with an img tag

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2010, 01:39:24 pm »

I want to put my ps2 in my cabinet along with my PC so I can play Gradius V and Raiden III and a few other suitable arcade games (perhaps my 360 too for some Mushihimesama action..) . Right now I have my controls connected to my PC through a cthulhu board, which is similar to an ipac.

What I want to do is connect all my grounds from the joystick and buttons to a grounding point, and then from there run one wire to the ground of the cthulhu and another wire to the ground of the hacked ps2 pad. Then for each button I just run two wires from the NO lead, one each to the corresponding lead on the cthulhu and ps2 controller.

This way I won't need to have a switch or anything. It will automatically work for whatever system is turned on at the time. Is there any reason why this won't work, or is a bad idea? I don't know much about electronics. Is it ok that the cthulhu and ps2 both share the same ground? That's the only thing I could see not working... If so I could just put a switch to have one or the other grounded to the joystick/buttons at a time.

Thanks for reading.
BKD

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2010, 11:45:55 pm »

Man... I wanted to laminate my cabinet but I just found out how expensive the laminate is. At $50 a sheet it's gonna cost me $150. There goes that Idea. Maybe in a year or something I can justify dropping that much money, but with all the other stuff I still have to do to this cab that's not gonna cut it right now. Even though I hate it I guess it's painting time again... Damn. I hate painting.

Epyx · « **Reply #37 on:** March 23, 2010, 12:21:24 am »

Lol...ya good paint jobs require *time*...laminating is very straightforward and *quick*. Time is the main reason I started using laminate. For me it's time versus money...hours upon hours for a good paint job and sanding is worth the $150 for me personally.

However, a nice paint job can't be touched. Good luck!

saleem · « **Reply #38 on:** March 23, 2010, 08:50:38 am »

Quote from: BurgerKingDiamond on March 22, 2010, 11:45:55 pm

Man... I wanted to laminate my cabinet but I just found out how expensive the laminate is. At $50 a sheet it's gonna cost me $150. There goes that Idea. Maybe in a year or something I can justify dropping that much money, but with all the other stuff I still have to do to this cab that's not gonna cut it right now. Even though I hate it I guess it's painting time again... Damn. I hate painting.

you just dont get that nice finish that laminate gives.drawback is laminating takes time,instead of just cutting a piece and fitting it,its got to have laminate fixed to it,then dry,then route and then fix to cab.but,$50 is decent price if its new from a store,here in uk its too expensive,luckily there was an ebay seller who was selling laminate for £15 a sheet and i got 3 lovely blue sheets and with delivery it cost me £65,just convert that to $.

but,i would rather laminate now than paint.

i think if you look at a painted cab and a laminated one i think laminate will justify itself.

Epyx · « **Reply #39 on:** March 23, 2010, 11:22:16 am »

Quote

you just dont get that nice finish that laminate gives.drawback is laminating takes time,instead of just cutting a piece and fitting it,its got to have laminate fixed to it,then dry,then route and then fix to cab.but,$50 is decent price if its new from a store,here in uk its too expensive,luckily there was an ebay seller who was selling laminate for £15 a sheet and i got 3 lovely blue sheets and with delivery it cost me £65,just convert that to $.

I would disagree only in that laminating is *much* quicker than a great paint job. A side of a cab can be laminated and routed within 45 minutes:

-5 minutes to trace outline of side on laminate
-10 minutes to slop on glue
- 20 minutes to dry
- 5 minutes to press laminate on side
- 10 minutes to route it

The easiest way is to trace the side roughly on the laminate...glue the side and then the area within your tracing on the laminate...fit the piece glue down onto the laminate (also with glue) once dry and press together...then route flush trim...don't try to route it and then fit it...way too complicate and prone to error.

You can't say the same for a paint job...well you can...if you pour the paint on the side and call it done

EDIT: Lamination Tutorial

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #40 on:** March 23, 2010, 01:02:56 pm »

I know that the laminate finish would look awesome, and I'm not saying it's not worth the $. I just can't bring myself to spend it right now. I'm spending $ left and right on this thing right now. $70 for new monitor, $20 for S-video cable, $50 for new graphics card with S-video out since my new computer doesn't have it (at least the new computer was free though.) Probably another $20 for the LED marquee since my flourescent one burned out (not the tube, tried to replace it. The fixture itself is just f*****... I want to put in a coin door too, and some fans.

So, I'm just gonna take my time and paint it. Maybe in 6 months or something I can afford to buy some laminate.

Epyx · « **Reply #41 on:** March 23, 2010, 01:07:26 pm »

I hear you...costs are nuts on these things...and the pain to the wallet isn't fun. Good luck and I have no doubt your paint job will look fantastic!

rablack97 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 23, 2010, 02:26:47 pm »

In my opinion it all depends on the finish you want, but I agree with Epyx on this one.

Quote

I would disagree only in that laminating is *much* quicker than a great paint job.

Total time spent painting, sanding, buffing, fixing mistakes, curing and finishing - roughly, 3 weeks total. Start to finish. Mainly because I was inexperienced worked trial and error. A pro, maybe a week.

I think Epyx laminated his cab, minus the back

in like a day or so if that.

I spent well over $200.00 to get the mirror reflective finish on my cab. It was all done by spray paint cans. Now grant it, it was time consuming, and inefficient but the finish was awesome. Guess what though, while moving it upstairs it scraped against my tablesaw and left 2 huge gashes in my $200 paint job. I just filled the gashes in with perm marker, out of insanity....

You could get you some rollers and do it, but you will have more of a hammered orange peel look, for some that's acceptable.

The one huge pro of laminate is DURABILITY, had i laminated I wouldn't have any scratches on the cab. Only thing you have to check if you use laminate is your MDF thickness, if you used 3/4 then your t-molding won't be flush with the laminate. You sides would have to be 5/8 for the laminate to be flush with your t-molding.

So cost-wise, I would say can of primer, can of semi-gloss and a foam roller and knock it out. $20.00 at the most. If you want it smooth, spray on a few coats of clear enamel, let it cure for a few days, buff it with mild abrasive compound, then some swirl remover and a good wax....not a mirror finish but super smooth.

Get your coin door off ebay, I got a happs over/under door w/ mech and coin box for $25.00. You can catch arcade vendors ripping machines apart and selling the pieces. Most of the time no one else bids on this stuff so you can get it for little of nothing.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2010, 09:03:29 pm »

I just got my coin door and I've been looking at it trying to figure out what is what. I see two wires going to each micro switch and two wires going to each light bulb. That makes sense. What I don't understand are the two extra wires that are going to this little box on the bottom of the door... If this description isn't good enough I can take pictures. Thanks.
BKD

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #44 on:** April 16, 2010, 02:56:24 pm »

Hi. I was wondering if somebody could explain to me how to make a volume control. I want to use a pot to control the volume of my speakers (i.e. not control volume through the computer). My configuration is two speakers coming out a stereo receiver. How do I go about connecting the pot to the speaker wires?

rablack97 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 18, 2010, 12:21:38 am »

Not sure about the pot, but the little box at the bottom could be the play counter. Arcades used them to track the # of times the game was played. I just disconnected mine and took it totally off. I yanked all the excess wiring which left me with basically 12v & ground for the lights and ground & trigger for the coin mechs.

I just use a third party program to control the volume using key combinations....

Send a PM to OND, he's a electronics guru, he's pretty good about responding too....

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #46 on:** April 18, 2010, 01:19:55 am »

Thanks. I decided that whatever it is it doesn't matter cause I was able to hook up my lights and coin switches without using it.

Silas (son of Silas) · « **Reply #47 on:** April 18, 2010, 05:19:51 am »

Quote from: Epyx on March 23, 2010, 11:22:16 am

I would disagree only in that laminating is *much* quicker than a great paint job. A side of a cab can be laminated and routed within 45 minutes:

-5 minutes to trace outline of side on laminate
-10 minutes to slop on glue
- 20 minutes to dry
- 5 minutes to press laminate on side
- 10 minutes to route it

If you use spray on contact adhesive it's even quicker. 2 minutes to spray on the glue, 5 minutes to dry; plus there's less likelihood of any glue bumps.

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #48 on:** May 28, 2010, 10:10:27 pm »

some new pics

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #49 on:** May 28, 2010, 10:11:42 pm »

some new pics

BurgerKingDiamond · « **Reply #50 on:** May 28, 2010, 10:13:28 pm »

The bezel is temporary. I made it out of paper mache. My friend is going to use it as a mold and do the bezel for me with fiberglass.


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