Stupid phone

[ChadTower]

We've already pretty clearly established that my threshold is 6-10 times in a two year period. 

That's just for mild inconvenience.  We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.

[shmokes]

Is there anyone fairly local to him? 

tommy ?

Too bad we already broke him.

Tommy would would be a nonstarter even before he was broken.  I once asked about buying glass from him (cos I'm local) and he refused to sell to me.  For real.    

[ChadTower]

Looks like shmokes picked the wrong day to quit giving us reason to taunt him a second time.

[shmokes]

That's just for mild inconvenience.  We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.

---smurfing--- foreigners.  Learn English.  

[ChadTower]

That's just for mild inconvenience.  We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.

---smurfing--- foreigners.  Learn English.  

Irony:  English is an official language of Canada... but not of the US.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLfm6XKtRHI[/youtube]

[CheffoJeffo]

But it would have to affect him 46 more times a year for him to do anything about it, apparently.

Is there anyone fairly local to him?  I'm thinking you could probably mess with him 30-35 times a year before he did anything about it.   

We've already pretty clearly established that my threshold is 6-10 times in a two year period. 

Silly lawyers and their lack of specificity ... the only things that we have established is that 6-10 times in a two year period is below your threshold, 52 times in a year would be once a week (who says that lawyers don't know their maths?) and that would be above your threshold.

[CheffoJeffo]

That's just for mild inconvenience.  We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.

---smurfing--- foreigners.  Learn English.  

Take off, you hoser !

Or, since you live in Miami, "Quítese, que Hoser!"

[shmokes]

Uh uh uh . . . we must conclude that it is my threshold because after that many times I gave in and addressed the issue (and ranted about it on the internets).  You could probably make a reasonably persuasive argument, though, that my threshold was met artificially because of the introduction of a new variable (sending a cop to my house).  But I wasn't even home, so I was only indirectly affected by this.  And anyway, that would be pure speculation.  

[shmokes]

Or, since you live in Miami, "Quítese, que Hoser!"

For real.  I'm totally the foreigner here.  I speak next to no Spanish.

[ChadTower]

It's all speculative - we have no proof that you did indeed take corrective steps.  We do not even know for sure that you actually made these phone calls but that we're willing to accept on faith because it gives us something to laugh at on an otherwise slow afternoon.

I say we approach this scientifically.  Someone egg his car every other wednesday until he decides to do something about it.  Then we have a reasonable estimate of what his real threshhold may be.  That theory can then be tested by several others independently until we have a consensus as to just how much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- shmokes will take before he either a) takes corrective action or b) rants about it on the intarwebs without corrective action and blames the damage to his car's paintjob on negligent chickens.

[shmokes]

But how to control for the possibility that I may have multiple thresholds depending on the degree of negative stimuli applied?

[ChadTower]

But how to control for the possibility that I may have multiple thresholds depending on the degree of negative stimuli applied?

We'll call that the Freeway Overpass Watermelon To The Windshield factor or your FOWToW for short.

[shmokes]

This from the guy who's peeing his pants about the minute to a minute and a half of 911 time I stole from society  last year.   

[CheffoJeffo]

This from the guy who's peeing his pants about the minute to a minute and a half of 911 time I stole from society  last year.   

But is was sent to the guy who's peeing his pants about the minute to a minute and a half that RIM stole from him last year. 

[shmokes]

No no . . . you misunderstand.  I was peeing my pants about the 911 time I stole from society.  I was all broken up about it.  For real.   

[Ginsu Victim]

No one is posting in the other boards because we're all just flies drawn to this

[shmokes]

I've called 911 maybe 6 times my entire life, 6 times a year seems kind of excessive.  

Oh, so now I'm up to 12 times in a two year period.  This just keeps getting better.   

[Ginsu Victim]

Just don't have a wank with it in your pocket. Not the best time to have the cops bust down the door.

[Zakk]

I've had a blackberry for ages.  I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).

I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.

Shmokes, go buy another phone.  Problem solved for everyone.

[HaRuMaN]

That Zakk is just mean!

[shmokes]

I've had a blackberry for ages.  I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).

I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.

Shmokes, go buy another phone.  Problem solved for everyone.

Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest.  Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911?  What was I thinking?  So stupid.  Oh, wait . . .

[Zakk]

I've had a blackberry for ages.  I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).

I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.

Shmokes, go buy another phone.  Problem solved for everyone.

Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest.  Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911?  What was I thinking?  So stupid.  Oh, wait . . .

I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call.  You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again.  I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call.  You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911.   That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call. 

[ahofle]

I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call.  You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again.  I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call.  You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911.   That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call. 

LOL I hate to be the only one to agree with Shmokes here, but that sounds like a really pointless 'feature'.  Wouldn't it be easier to simply unlock the phone then dial 911 without having to scroll around several menus?  Also, the whole point of locking the phone is to prevent inadvertent pocket calls.  Sounds like they have failed to accomplish that.

[ark_ader]

I've had a blackberry for ages.  I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).

I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.

Shmokes, go buy another phone.  Problem solved for everyone.

Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest.  Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911?  What was I thinking?  So stupid.  Oh, wait . . .

....you could buy a nice jacket for your phone, and wear it in your pocket as you please, as it would not activate when you see blonde walk by.  The next bogus call could land you in hot water with the cops.   

I have sold and supported 1000s of Blackberry Pearls, so here is one option you could look at to resolve your random and enlarging issue:

To avoid calling 911 from your pocket, don’t use the key lock feature. Instead use the standby mode by holding the mute button on top of the phone. This mode will put your phone to sleep and lock all keys and the track ball. It will save your battery life and you will still receive phone calls and message notifications. To bring your phone out of standby mode, simply press the mute button.

[Zakk]

I've had a blackberry for ages.  I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).

I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.

Shmokes, go buy another phone.  Problem solved for everyone.

Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest.  Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911?  What was I thinking?  So stupid.  Oh, wait . . .

....you could buy a nice jacket for your phone, and wear it in your pocket as you please, as it would not activate when you see blonde walk by.  The next bogus call could land you in hot water with the cops.   

I have sold and supported 1000s of Blackberry Pearls, so here is one option you could look at to resolve your random and enlarging issue:

To avoid calling 911 from your pocket, don’t use the key lock feature. Instead use the standby mode by holding the mute button on top of the phone. This mode will put your phone to sleep and lock all keys and the track ball. It will save your battery life and you will still receive phone calls and message notifications. To bring your phone out of standby mode, simply press the mute button.

That's actually a pretty cool tip! 

[shmokes]

I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call.  You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again.  I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call.  You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911.   That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call. 

I don't make it sound like anything other than what it is:  a phone that calls 911 (and only 911) from my pocket approximately 3-5 times per year.  Considering the fact that I carry my phone in my pocket all day every day that's not a lot of times.  But it's still happening a lot more often than it should (read: zero).

By the way, the standby thing has been mentioned a few times in this thread.  I've already starting doing it.

[ChadTower]

Can't he just keep his junk in standby?  Seems like that's better overall for society.

[Ginsu Victim]

[ChadTower]

Is it a subtle message that he's beating the horse's junk?

[boykster]

This thread is funny 

[Barry Barcrest]

Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest.  Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911?  What was I thinking?  So stupid.  Oh, wait . . .

It is supposed to be a shortcut to dialing 911 for faster access... Yeah lets have the shortcut 911.

[Ed_McCarron]

You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again.  I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call.  You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911.   That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call. 

His ass is well trained?

[ChadTower]

So he's dialing his own nipple with his junk?  Can someone get pics of that for Mr C?

[J_K_M_A_N]

I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call.  You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again.  I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call.  You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911.   That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call. 

LOL I hate to be the only one to agree with Shmokes here, but that sounds like a really pointless 'feature'.  Wouldn't it be easier to simply unlock the phone then dial 911 without having to scroll around several menus?  Also, the whole point of locking the phone is to prevent inadvertent pocket calls.  Sounds like they have failed to accomplish that.

I have to agree. I didn't read it as he had a problem. The phone should not do that when the keys are locked IMO. It would piss me off also.

J_K_M_A_N

[ChadTower]

So how many times would you call 911 before modifying how you carry it?

No one argued that it's a good design.  Bad design doesn't remove accountability for usage.

[mountain]

I don't make it sound like anything other than what it is:  a phone that calls 911 (and only 911) from my pocket approximately 3-5 times per year.  Considering the fact that I carry my phone in my pocket all day every day that's not a lot of times.  But it's still happening a lot more often than it should (read: zero).

 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
                                                                                                             -Einstein

[Ed_McCarron]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
                                                                                                             -Einstein

Meh, Einstein wasn't that smart.  You remember that I before E thing you learned in school?  He got it wrong in his own name.  Twice.

[shmokes]

So how many times would you call 911 before modifying how you carry it?

No one argued that it's a good design.  Bad design doesn't remove accountability for usage.

Chad, what you don't seem to get is that y'all are missing the point.  You act like the issue is just resolved if I change my behavior, but that's not the case.  I would have the exact same problem that I have now even if I had holstered the phone after the first or second time it called 911.  Here is my issue:

If I carry my Blackberry Pearl in my pocket without a sleeve it will periodically call 911 even though the keys are locked.

Putting the phone in a holster does not make the above statement any less true.  Putting the phone in standby mode doesn't make it less true.  Buying a different phone doesn't make the statement any less true.  Wrapping it in a sleeve before putting it in my pocket doesn't make it less true.

I shouldn't have to take any of those steps.  I shouldn't have to take them after the 1st or 2nd time the phone calls 911.  I shouldn't have to take them after the 6th or 10th time the phone calls 911.  They should not be necessary.  The fact that I have to take one of those steps at all is what irritates me.  And it doesn't stop irritating me just because the phone is no longer dialing 911 because in order to get it to stop I had to stop using my phone in a way that I should be able to use it.  The whole purpose of a key lock feature is to keep a phone from doing what my phone is doing.

[ChadTower]

Chad, what you don't seem to get is that y'all are missing the point.  You act like the issue is just resolved if I change my behavior, but that's not the case.  I would have the exact same problem that I have now even if I had holstered the phone after the first or second time it called 911.  Here is my issue:

Your most common failure is that you assume anyone who fundamentally disagrees with you only does so out of lack of comprehension of your position.  If they'd only just get it they'd see the error of their opinion and recognize the infallacy of the shmokes!

Dude, I get your point, I just think it's a crock of nonaccountable ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.  Be a man and accept responsibility.  Any incident after the first or maybe even second are all your fault - I don't care if the phone dials 911 when the battery runs low.  You know it, you didn't alter your behaviour, you are accountable.

[CheffoJeffo]

OK, I'll agree with shmokes -- the design is stupid. I don't see where anybody said anything different.

BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen, but figuring that since the design is stupid that somehow that makes it all OK.

EDIT: Which makes the point that I was getting at with respect to the G08 -- it is a flawed design that is prone to overheating and possibly igniting. If I put one in a cabinet, without adding a suitable cooling mechanism, knowing full well that it could catch fire, then I would have to be an idiot to lay the blame for such a fire solely at the feet of the manufacturer. It's inconvenient for me to have to add a fan. I shouldn't have to add a fan. I don't want to add a fan. But, if I quit whining, accept some responsibility and behave intelligently, then I can manage to get by without burning the damned house down.