Bad day, is this fixable or what are my options (pics)

[ohhwataloser]

ill start with hi, im new, and im a noob as far as arcade machines go, i just resently picked up my first one, never really knew this was a big hobby, i found this forum and just completly blown away by some of the work people do, awesome glad i found this.

well long story short, in moving my machine i managed to smash the back of the screen and a bunch of glass broke, which i believe is a CRT. now the game plays and sound plays fine, just nothing shows up on the screen, now i don't know much of anything about these machines, so what are my options... i took some pictures

Back of the screen


board that used to be on the back of the screen


parts i found on the floor after


also the model number is 19k7091, wells-gardner screen, another sticker says it was made in 1996, any other info that will help? need pictures of something else?

now looking at the board it looks like the CRT (or w/e the glass thing was) just plugs in the curcuit board and i can just stick a new one back in the screen and im done.

if thats the case where do i find another one? and how do i know which one to get?

if thats not the case, what are my options?

thanks a bunch

[FrizzleFried]

You're screwed.  The tube is shot.  Gone.  Kaput.

Your solution:  New monitor or at the very least a new tube.

I am assuming you're not one for a tube swap,  so I'll go out on a limb and suggest that your only real option is to replace the monitor.

What game is this for and what size is the monitor (19", 25",  etc)?

[grantspain]

you need a new crt (tube)-your best option is to buy a complete monitor as its not as simple as putting on any tube
i think you have a 19" monitor there,if you look at the sicker on the tube then it will say something like A48xxxxxxx- the number 48 being the size in centimeters of the tube

maybe you can find a second hand one on ebay or there are a few new suppliers in the u.s
http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/490727vp2.htm
www.alvaamusement.com

[Level42]

O well, it was a Wells-Gardner anyway so it doesn't _really_ matter that much. I do always wonder how things like that happen....honestly....

[qrz]

watch for 19" tv's put out for the trash guy.
many times the crt is ok ... and the price is right 

fyi, 3rd pic is the gun ass'y. long lead is the 2nd anode connection


qrz

[SirPeale]

O well, it was a Wells-Gardner anyway so it doesn't _really_ matter that much.

It's a K7000, which was made before the WG went to ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. 

I'd replace the monitor if you're not up to a tube swap, but sell off the chassis.

[Level42]

O well, it was a Wells-Gardner anyway so it doesn't _really_ matter that much.

It's a K7000, which was made before the WG went to ---Cleveland steamer---

Guess you never worked on a 6100 ?

[ohhwataloser]

its a 19 inch, game is arkanoid, nothing seems to be orginal on it, the cabinet from a different game i know that.

I am assuming you're not one for a tube swap,  so I'll go out on a limb and suggest that your only real option is to replace the monitor.

whats involved with a tube swap exactly? i can take stuff apart, ive worked on cars before i could drive and i work as an appentice doing electrical work, but its mostly industrial. basically what im saying is i can use tools, i just never got into electronics that much, so i have no idea how stuff works inside of there.

and where do you guys usually get tubes and/or monitors?

I do always wonder how things like that happen....honestly....

well, we were moving the machine downstairs with a dolly. my machine had no back to it, so i taped a 2x4 to the back of the dolly to keep it from going through the machine. well on its way down the stairs the machine bumping up and down sawed through the tape, the 2x4 fell and the dolly went slaming into through the back of the machine and hit the tube. yea....i don't think im gonna do that again.

edit: thanks for editing my internet lingo :-p

[Mauzy]

Heres an excellent tutorial for a tube swap. Its really easy.

http://www.arcadetreasure.com/monitorinfo/Monitortubeswap.htm

Ive used this one twice with spectacular results. I find my tubes in other people's garbage 

[Kevin Mullins]

O well, it was a Wells-Gardner anyway so it doesn't _really_ matter that much.

It's a K7000, which was made before the WG went to ---Cleveland steamer---

Guess you never worked on a 6100 ?

Yup, just finished one up.
Looks beautiful.   

[Level42]

Probably didn't have to solder on the deflection boar.....man what a POS....but let's stay on-topic

[Kevin Mullins]

Probably didn't have to solder on the deflection board.....man what a POS....but let's stay on-topic

Yup, plenty of soldering to be had on the header pins and whatnot.

"Tube swap .. Tube swap .. tube swap!". 

[ohhwataloser]

is there any sites i could buy a tube from? and how much should one cost? or anyone have any laying around or see one in someone garbage they want to sell?

yesterday was garbage night i drove around and only saw one tv but it was some 30+ inch thing.

[ahofle]

Heres an excellent tutorial for a tube swap. Its really easy.

http://www.arcadetreasure.com/monitorinfo/Monitortubeswap.htm

Ive used this one twice with spectacular results. I find my tubes in other people's garbage 

That does look really easy.  I thought there was more to it though.  The 8liners site sells a chassis that can be used on normal TV tubes, but he requires some resistance measurements on the yoke, and also the count of pins on the neckboard.  Doesn't that mean that some TV tubes would not work well with a particular arcade monitor chassis?

http://www.8liners.com/datatech/monitor.html

[Mrjamma]

You can purchase a brand new tube but they cost a lot more than the price of a new monitor, go figure.

Kind of like when you buy a new car and the alternator pump costs the manufacturer $20 to make but when it goes out on you, a new one is $129.99! LOL

Your best bet is to get another used monitor, preferably the same model number, and swap your chassis onto it.

If you can find a non-working monitor thats the same, thats even better cause it would be cheaper and you probably have a working chassis on yours unless it was killed by the 2x4.
Good Luck to you.

[Pac-Fan]

You're actually in a pretty good spot considering that is a WG 7xxx series with 8 pin tube.

Find a newer 19" curved tube TV, made in the late 90's to now.  Often free to $20 on the side of the road, rummage sales, thrift stores. Peeking into the back side through the vent holes should let you determine if it's a small 8 pin neck or a larger 10 pin one, so you'll want to compare with pics online to know the difference.

TV's like Symphonic, Daewoo, are the best bets, but even some of the 'name brand' ones (Panasonic, Toshiba, Sharp) switched to using the same components around this time. Just avoid any Sony ones.  Older sets will use the larger 10 pin tube necks and wont worth with this chassis.

Most sets in this time period are 8 pin tubes, and have a yoke that is fully compatible with the WG chassis. The ONLY change may be to convert the yoke wire connector.   I have been able to use numerous 8 pin tubes without yoke swapping on WG 7xxx chassis.

Literally an hour job to swap even for a novice, but you need to read up on what needs to be done.   This would be the easiest level of tube swap there is since the yoke will match as do the pins and not require swapping a yoke.