introducing the Apple Macbook 'Wheel'

[hyiu]

when I watch that video... I was thinking... what are they thinking ??....

before I read on, I thought it was real.... so I guess I only have 1 brain cell left...
I better protect it... or I might not remember how to type... lol...

I'm not a MAC person, do not own any apple product...
iphone, ipod, ianything...

but I look at this economy... and then look inside the apple store...
its still packed with people buying....
I guess there has to be a reason....

but another person was saying MAC doesn't have virus and such...
that is because MAC doesn't have the market share...
MAC holds less than 10% mkt share of PC mkt...
its not worthwhile to create virus for it...
just think how much $$ they're making for all those anti-virus pgrm....
so, does that make me a PC fanboy ??... lol....

[Dartful Dodger]

Call me a fanboy if you want, so far, I've only bought two Apple products in my life. A Mac Mini and an iPod 4G Nano. I am a satisfied customer. That's all.

Mac mini's were released a year ago.

I bought a PowerMac in college running Mac OS 7.x.  It was the top of line Mac and the best operating system around(so I thought). After I graduated they released OS 8 and it was too big for the hard drive that came with the top of the line Mac I bought 2 years earlier.  Plus Mac just stopped supporting OS 7  there was no transitional period, all new programs had to run on OS 8.

I was where you are, unless you have 3 grand to throw away every other year, next year you'll understand my contempt for Mac.

I think people who have always been PC users can care less about Mac vs PC, it's the Mac users who've been burned by Mac that have the antiMac attitude.

[RayB]

What's this BS I keeping hearing about "fixing/maintaining" a PC and not having to on a Mac? What exactly have I had to fix on my 3 year old PC? Nothing. Meanwhile Mac laptops have been literally exploding.

[Level42]

Ok here we go:

but another person was saying MAC doesn't have virus and such...
that is because MAC doesn't have the market share...
MAC holds less than 10% mkt share of PC mkt...
its not worthwhile to create virus for it...

One of the most dead-beat horses.
Do you really think 10 percent of the market is not an interesting target for virus-writers?  If I would be a virus creator, it would be the ultimate challenge to succesfully launch the first virus for the OS X platform. You'd be the hero of the scene.
So, you're wrong. The reason why there are no virusses for OS X is that it's simply constructed too safe to get a virus to work.
Compare that to 1 million virusses for the PC platform.

Which brings me to:

What's this BS I keeping hearing about "fixing/maintaining" a PC and not having to on a Mac? What exactly have I had to fix on my 3 year old PC? Nothing. Meanwhile Mac laptops have been literally exploding.

I mean I don't have to run any virus scanners, keep them up to date every 2 days, do malware scans, clean registries, re-install the OS 3 times per year because the system has become slow because of all the added applications that polluted the registry and more, install drivers for every new product I add, have to defragment my Harddisk, recover from blue screens, do I really need to go on ?

My Mini is a computer like I always wanted. Like a TV. Turn it on and off (well OK, in sleepmode) within 2 seconds, just work and use it instead of maintaining it. It's also extremely silent. It's in my living room and it's a dream compared to the vaccuum cleaner sound that my previous PC produced.
 
Oh, and the battery problem you referred to was NOT a Mac only problem:

Quote:

Laptops do sometimes burst into flames. There are at least 43 reported incidents in the last two years. In 2004 and 2005, Apple, Dell and Hewlett Packard collectively recalled more than 300,000 laptop batteries “due to fire hazards.”

Unquote.Bad batteries. Not Apple's fault, battery builder fault.


I've been a PC user for a very long time. I'm even a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. I just got SO tired of fixing my own and other people's endless numbers of problems with PC's that I tried a Mini. Picked it up while on holiday in the US. The fact that it had an Intel processor made me think, hey if I don't like OS X I can always run Windows on it. Funny.

The only thing I'm saying, give a Mac a try. It's stupid to judge them without having ever used one.

Dartful: Tell me, if you'd run Vista on the PC you had bought two years before it was released, how would it run ?
I've experienced it the other way around. My Mini came with Tiger. When I switched to Leopard it improved a LOT on it's performance. Seeing what Apple is planning for the next OS it will get even better. MS only wants to continue the circle of loading the hardware more with each new OS because that's what makes the circle of love between MS and the PC builders continue.....

My Mini is over 2 years old now (don't know why you think they were released a year ago ? The G4 Mini's were released in early 2005). The Mini was not 3 grand but less than 700 USD incl. mous & keyboard.

I'll stop now, because I'm overly defending Apple already

And Barry if you read this, please don't take it personally

[AtomSmasher]

I'll stop now, because I'm overly defending Apple already

Explaining the greatness of OSX and how horrible windows is when no one else has mentioned either one is overly defending Apple.  Now that others have responded to your initial comments, I would expect no less then a novel about the greatness of OSX from you 

Personally I don't really care which one people use because they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

[CheffoJeffo]

I like Apple stuff.

I haven't bought an Apple computer in years, for various reasons.

Initially, I couldn't do what I wanted/needed to do on a Mac. Now, it is more about price -- I can get more bang for the buck and I get solid performance, even using Vista. That may not be true for everybody, but I haven't had an issue with XP, Vista or Vista64.

I think Level42 needs to look into getting some AV software -- there have been a number of worms for OS X and there have been some interesting security flaws. Also, before we give Apple credit for the "too safe" inner workings of OS X, let's remember where the guts of OS X came from (along with some of the aforementioned security flaws).

The iPhone was not Apple's first foray into phones. That was the Motorola ROKR and wasn't exactly an outstanding effort.

I still like Apple stuff.

If I had cash to burn, I would buy a couple of nice Mac Pros (after buying the SW cockpit and Major Havoc, of course). If I didn't prefer my Bold, I would get an iPhone.

We also should remember that Apple has had it's share of less-than-stellar products --  ROKR, Newton, Lisa, Pippin, Cube, Taligent, the thing they did with AOL, AppleTV.

Apple does innovate and has had some cool products recently, but they are hardly the tech deity that people seem to believe they are.

 

[Dartful Dodger]

Dartful: Tell me, if you'd run Vista on the PC you had bought two years before it was released, how would it run ?

The problem isn't running newer OSs on older machines, the problem is when Mac releases a new OS the old one can only run old software.

I am currently using Windows XP Professional 2002 with the latest Adobe bundle.

Mac's now using animal names so Mac users won't realize a 0.1 OS upgrade just rendered their computer useless.

[ChadTower]

So, you're wrong. The reason why there are no virusses for OS X is that it's simply constructed too safe to get a virus to work.
Compare that to 1 million virusses for the PC platform.

Bro, I was staying out of this, because personally I could give a crap about one OS vs the next.  I have to use them all in my line of work.  As a professional software engineer, though, I had to comment on this.  It's crap.  There is nothing inherently secure about OS X in regard to Windows.  It's sitting behind the same average consumer firewalls.  It is running on the same basic physical architecture.  It is running on the same type of physical resources.  It is prone to the exact same style of self replicating binaries that all desktop based operating systems are.  The only real difference is level of integration between the OS and the mail and web clients.  Windows is a little bit easier to get a virus into... but other than that the basic vulnerability of the OS itself is pretty much the same.  Any competent developer could write a nasty virus for OS X with a little bit of penetration research.

[Level42]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

[CheffoJeffo]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

One what ? A worm for OS X ? There have been a number. Nothing earth shattering, but they exist.

[patrickl]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

Ehm, a month ago Apple advised people to install a virus scanner on their macs. They quickly removed the support notice though.

[DaveMMR]

First thing they did was purge the archives of all the 'edgey' content - the stuff that was actually funny.  All the dud articles were left online.  

Agreed.  I've searched for various articles before with no luck. 

Any examples?   I've been able to find old articles without a problem.  Though I really didn't start reading it until the late 90's.

But even if you think it's lost its edge, do yourself a favor and pick up the Onion's "Our Dumb Planet".  My favorite is the entry on Nicaragua (the header is: "Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start").

[Havok]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

The whole point of viruses nowadays is big money. You don't see the little dweebs living in their mom's basement writing viruses anymore. The big bad viruses come from organized crime. Now, if you are trying to steal from someone, will you hit the little piddly amount of users, or the vast majority? It's all about numbers, nothing else. The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.

As far as being proactive and the actual number of vulnerabilities, and time til patched, I believe that Microsoft has finally gotten ahead of the game and now leads Apple in that regard.

Now, back on topic: that video was awesome! I loved the part where they show the one guy with the email he "typed" - with all the spelling errors! (Just like dudes that use an iPhone)

[Level42]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.

Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.

[AtomSmasher]

As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser.  There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection.  I remember reading about one virus that infected computers through Open Office (which has since been patched) and the virus was capable of infecting everything from Macs to Linux to Windows.  I'm sure if you do a search for a Mac vs Pc argument on this forum from 6+ months ago, then you'll find links I posted about the virus.

[patrickl]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.

Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.

Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?

[dmworking247]

IBM created the PC, now it's not even near the top of the list when it comes to PC brands.

Wait, what? Could that have something to do with the fact that IBM got out of the PC business years ago, and sold the whole PC division to Lenovo?

[saint]

No, that's pretty much a result, not a cause.  Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc... pretty much knocked IBM off that throne. Big iron was/is IBM's mainstay.

[shmokes]

As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser.  There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection. 

You say this like it's something to be simply dismissed.  It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor.  So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."

If OSX is locked down from email/web-based threats (I know nothing about it and have no idea whether this is actually true, btw) that pretty much makes it about 99% locked down. 

[Hoopz]

It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor.  So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."

Where's CheffoJeffo when we need a qood Tommy quote?  Probably yelling at kids on his lawn...   

most times the best way to keep people out of your yard or make them not want to try to break into your house is to have a big dog. I sometimes tell them you should look into getting a pit bull or other big dogs

[CheffoJeffo]

The quote-fu is strong in this one ...

[AtomSmasher]

As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser.  There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection. 

You say this like it's something to be simply dismissed.  It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor.  So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."

If OSX is locked down from email/web-based threats (I know nothing about it and have no idea whether this is actually true, btw) that pretty much makes it about 99% locked down. 

I'm saying it because Level42 is saying that OSX is impervious to virus attacks and has never had any sort of virus threat, but thats not true, it's just better protected.  Heres one that spread via the instant messenger chat:  http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2006-021614-4006-99
Of course that security hole also has been patched, so it's pretty much non-existent now, but at one point it was capable of sending itself to everyone on your IM list.

[danny_galaga]

First thing they did was purge the archives of all the 'edgey' content - the stuff that was actually funny.  All the dud articles were left online.  

Agreed.  I've searched for various articles before with no luck. 

Any examples?   I've been able to find old articles without a problem.  Though I really didn't start reading it until the late 90's.

But even if you think it's lost its edge, do yourself a favor and pick up the Onion's "Our Dumb Planet".  My favorite is the entry on Nicaragua (the header is: "Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start").

have you seen the onion movie?

STEVEN SEAGAL IS

[youtube]http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-iYTflJFg[/youtube]

best seagal movie ever! apparently the only movie with him in it to get over a 6 on imdb

[Level42]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.

Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.

Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?

For the ---smurfing--- last time: it's not a matter of how many there are, it's a matter how ---smurfing--- easy it is to do !

I'm SO done here in this thread. Shmokes, thanks for a little common sense here instead of plain stubbornness.


Wow Atomsmasher, you actually found 1 (ONE) !!!! Wow !! Impressive !!!

Quote from that same site you linked to:

OSX.Leap.A is a worm that targets installs of Macintosh OS X and spreads via iChat Instant Messenger program.

Note: It infects files on the Macintosh OS X version 10.4. The worm will execute on Intel Macs, but cannot spread to other systems from these machines.
Protection

.....


    * Wild Level: Low
    * Number of Infections: 0 - 49
    * Number of Sites: 0 - 2
    * Geographical Distribution: Low
    * Threat Containment: Easy
    * Removal: Easy

Damage

    * Damage Level: Low

Distribution

    * Distribution Level: Low

Writeup By: Costin Ionescu

End of quote.

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH 0-49 infections !!!!! AMAZING !!!!

O and see: IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?

[patrickl]

....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.

Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.

Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?

For the ---smurfing--- last time: it's not a matter of how many there are, it's a matter how ---smurfing--- easy it is to do !

Well then why mention the 30 million as a desirable target? Seriously though why would anyone go for such a minimal market share?

An e-mail virus or Worm is indeed a lot more difficult with a mac. Simply because of the numbers. With only 3% of the recipients possible to infect, the virus (worm) would die out soon.

Besides the 3% who own a mac mostly do because they hate Windows for some reason. Why would they attack their beloved OS? If they even do anything besides web browsing and downloading itunes on their mac.

OS X is not secure. Heaps of exploits are discovered every year. For instance, the mac was the first to go down in the latest hacking event

Report: Vista more secure than OS X and Linux (Vista and WinXP have a lot less exploits than OS X)

[Malenko]

IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?

No, a virus, by definition, is any program that replicates itself, has nothing to do with "spreading"

[Hoopz]

It's going to be interesting to see how Apple does with someone else as the face of Apple during his leave.  I'm hard pressed to think of another CEO who personified the company like Jobs has.  Certainly Bill Gates didn't.  The only one I can think of is Jack Welch with GE but it wasn't nearly the same.  Welch was a great leader where Jobs IS Apple in most people's eyes. 

[AtomSmasher]

Wow Atomsmasher, you actually found 1 (ONE) !!!! Wow !! Impressive !!!
...
O and see: IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?

Did you actually read what I said or just click the link and decided to act like a tool?  The Virus was able to spread (although that is not the definition of a virus), but it has been patched, it just wasn't able to spread on INTEL Macs.  And if you believe that is the only virus ever made for a Mac, then you are sadly mistaken.  I posted it as an example of Mac viruses using programs other then email and internet browser to infect computers and even talked about another virus that infects through OpenOffice.  There are plenty of viruses on Macs, they just don't spread easily and most of the have already been patched.

Seriously, take off your blinders.  Macs are not impervious to viruses.  If you were to use an internet browser and email client other then IE or outlook on XP (such as Firefox or Opera), then you are just as protected from viruses as you are on a Mac.

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

[Hoopz]

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

That kind of cheese sucks.  Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!

 

Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.

[patrickl]

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

That kind of cheese sucks.  Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!

 

Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.

Indeed.

[AtomSmasher]

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

That kind of cheese sucks.  Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!

 

Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.

Indeed.

The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant.

[patrickl]

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

That kind of cheese sucks.  Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!

 

Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.

Indeed.

The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant.

It's secure too. With every slice individually protected, there are no know virusses spreading on them.

[Hoopz]

That bad cheese is better than a mac.   

[ChadTower]

If you guys don't settle down I will pull this thread over and make you all run BeOS.  Don't think I won't do it.

[AtomSmasher]

Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.

That kind of cheese sucks.  Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!

 

Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.

Indeed.

The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant.

It's secure too. With every slice individually protected, there are no know virusses spreading on them.

How is individually wrapped slices of cheese like an Apple product?
It's a great design and concept which makes it better protected against viruses, but it leaves bad taste in your mouth.   
http://www.instantrimshot.com/

[Hoopz]

No way I'm clicking a link that has rim shot in the url... 


Nice try!   

[ChadTower]

Nice try!   

He deserves a 3 day ban just for bad execution.  Even tommy wouldn't fall for that one.

[Hoopz]

He deserves a 3 day ban just for bad execution.  Even tommy wouldn't fall for that one.

Make it so, XO.  I'm sure you have the power from Saint.

[ChadTower]

Make it so, XO.  I'm sure you have the power from Saint.

He's not dumb enough to give me such abilities.   

[AtomSmasher]

You guys do realize that the original meaning of the word rim shot is a drumming term and is usually referring to two drum beats and cymbal hit given after a bad joke.



And luckly I fly below Saints radar so I won't ever be ba *THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FROM POSTING*