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so I will be having my home built this summer, what extra goodies should i plan to incorporate before drywalling? Im thinking whole house speaker system? can anyone think of any other fun stuff? or musts to do or tips on what type of wires to run? thanks in advance.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 01:10:31 pm »
If you're planning on any kind of PC network throughout your home, now's the time to figure out how you're going to run it.  If it's hardwired, you might want to consider which rooms will be wired in.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 01:51:03 pm »
Maybe some tunnels for a flatscreen monitor above the fireplace, or else where in the house.  I'm constantly annoyed that there are never plugs for the xmas lights where I wish there were.  With the wireless technology nowdays, I don't think I'd run cat5 through the walls just for that personally.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 03:41:54 pm »
With the wireless technology nowdays, I don't think I'd run cat5 through the walls just for that personally.


You'd run cat6.  Wireless isn't going to get faster than cat6 can handle for a long time and an even longer time at the consumer level.  It will never be more secure.  You'll never get interference from your phone/microwave/dog.  It is just so much easier to drop a new device onto a wired network than it is a properly encrypted wireless network.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 03:49:16 pm »
Wired always works (barring physical failure) -- wireless can be a crap shoot with iffy results sometimes. Wired gives you 1 gig connectivity. Wireless 54 meg, guess they're pushing 100 meg now, with actual throughput being?  Not knocking your opinion of wireless, it has its place, but with new construction wire every room in the house.

In my house I have 1 wall plate with 2 cat5e runs for network, 2 cat5e runs for phone or other, and 2 coax cables. On the other wall plate I have 2 cat5e for network, 2 cat5e for phone or other. I didn't run speaker wiring and have regretted it. I also didn't wire the dining room and bathrooms, and regretted it. I don't personally want a phone in the bathroom, but someday you may sell the house and some folks like that. Dining room doubles as gaming room, and sometimes we want a computer connected there. Cat5e can also be used for video distribution, home automation, intercom, and other things. Highly recommended.

2 coax cables are for video distributions and 2 is so each location can be input as well as output.

Also, highly recommend wherever possible (where there's a hanging ceiling, or attic space above or crawl space / hanging ceiling below) put in a conduit to every place you've got a wall plate. Might even consider putting in a blank wall plate with conduit stubbed up. Makes it much easier to add/retrofit things later in the house and costs very little.

Also - if you have a multi-story house, consider a single bigger conduit from the attic to the basement, to be able to easily run cable from upper to lower floors later.

Also, if you can, designate a closet (presumably in the basement if you're building one) as the data closet with adequate power and an HVAC vent or other means of cooling. Home run each cable to the data closet (each cable runs directly from the end point to the closet). Don't daisy chain the phone cabling for instance from one jack to another, and certainly not the network cabling! 

My over-riding principle when I built my house was not "what am I going to do with it at the start" but "what might I want to do with it in the future?"  Wire for flexibility and you won't be sorry later.

I concur about the Christmas lights and outside outlets. Put outlets in many locations on the outside of the house.  Left and right side of any doors so you don't have to run power cables across the doorway. Outlets at strategic locations on the second and any higher stories so you can power lights and such without running cables all over the place. 

Strongly urge you consider pre-wiring the house for a home security system. Don't fall for packages that include 1 or 2 doors and a window -- those are inadequate if you're really worried about security. Any window that can be gotten to can be a point of entry in the house. Pre-wire the house for an alarm system that covers all accessible windows and doors. Don't forget windows that are accessible on the second floor by climbing on overhangs and such. Also fire and smoke detectors. All that stuff can be pre-wired by a good security company for a fairly low cost without further obligation. Better to pre-wire cheaply than pay through the nose or have limited options later.

Also, pin down exactly where furnaces, water heaters, and such are going to go. We didn't and had to pay to move them later when we finished our basement, as they were placed for the convenience of the installation, not for our ability to maximize use of the basement as a play area.

If you're going with an unfinished basement, be sure to consider future plans that require water/drainage. For instance, will you put in a bathroom later? Mud-sink maybe for cleaning up gardening debris? Going to put in a wet bar?  Get plumbing laid out appropriately for future use.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 03:52:05 pm »
RE: Chad's suggestion for Cat6 -- it's a good one. Cat5E will handle up to gigabit speeds, which is more than plenty for now and near future. However, 5 or 10 years from now you may need 10-gig in the house (I'm needing gig now for my home theater. Video server is upstairs with all the media stored on it, but the playing machine is downstairs in the basement. 100 megs works, gig means I can push more through it without worrying about bottlenecks).

However, copper is getting more expensive nowadays. Cat6 if you can, cat5E if you have to save pennies somewhere. Don't run anything less than Cat5e. You can run phones on Cat3 (or about anything with 2 wires really) but it limits what you can do with it in the future.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 03:28:38 pm »
If you have plans to mount any TV/Entertainment equipment on the walls try to put extra boards up for support and place power/cable/etc outlets higher also.  This way there is extra support when you do mount that 150" plasma on the wall.   ;D 

Here are pix of our game room during construction.  Topmost outlet is speaker/coax/network on both sides and next one below it is for power.  At the time we were thinking about a wall mount TV stand for a standard TV (4 years ago.)  Now its nothing but flat panels so the extra board for mounting may be a bit too low.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 03:37:54 pm »
Code permitting, a chase from basement to attic for future wiring projects.

Wire jacks with dual cat6, dual rg6, and whatever else you can fit/afford.  More is better.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 03:40:49 pm »
Also, highly recommend wherever possible (where there's a hanging ceiling, or attic space above or crawl space / hanging ceiling below) put in a conduit to every place you've got a wall plate. Might even consider putting in a blank wall plate with conduit stubbed up. Makes it much easier to add/retrofit things later in the house and costs very little.

Also - if you have a multi-story house, consider a single bigger conduit from the attic to the basement, to be able to easily run cable from upper to lower floors later.

That right there is the best advice you will get. Our house only had swag lighting when we moved in. I did a few switch controlled lights, but running new wire down to existing boxes was a royal PITA. I switched to wireless remote operated ceiling fans to get around it.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 04:00:09 pm »
Use a gas grill?  If so put in a hookup for a gas grill outside.  No more filling propane tanks.  The house I bought just happened to have one and I love it.

If you have hard water in your area and want a water softener, have them pre-plumb for one.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 04:03:47 pm »
If I was doing a new house, I would implement a whole house water filter.
Also consider a tankless water heater if you have gas.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 04:05:51 pm »

And a drawbridge. 

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 07:01:12 pm »
If by chance you have stairs and they are opened under the step id do this
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 01:15:00 am »
If it's a two story, do what I did.  I waited for the crews to go home and ran screws into the floor boards on the second floor every 6" or so.  I had the only second floor on the block that did not squeak when walked on.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 01:39:15 am »
Good advice here; plenty of cat5e/6 cable to rooms, pick a good central closet and make sure it has hvac, wiring chase/conduit from basement to ceiling, plan for "trunk" distribution, etc. 

One thing I would suggest is rather than 2 cat5e/6 and 2 RG6 to rooms to up that to 4 cat5e/6 and 3 RG6. With 3 RG cables you can run component video, and use 1 of the spare cat5e/6 cables for analog audio.  HDMI/DVI can be run over cat5e/6 cabling with proper baluns and /or equipment.

Wire now; its a LOT cheaper and easier to run cables everywhere while the walls are open OR go with conduit whereever possible....

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 08:58:15 am »

If you run that many, make sure you plan for labeled wall plates.  You're not going to want to have to guess later on which jack is going to which hardware downstairs.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 12:29:05 pm »

If you run that many, make sure you plan for labeled wall plates.  You're not going to want to have to guess later on which jack is going to which hardware downstairs.

Oh definately; most structured wiring installers will use a code system similar to commercial network wiring, but mix it up to differentiate cable types.  I just bought an labelmaker and labelled em myself.  Even if the plates are all trimmed out to begin with, the cables themselves should have identifiers on them.


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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 12:52:42 pm »
Let me also highly highly highly recommend that all cables be labeled on both ends. Toning/guessing at your cable is irritating.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 01:18:12 pm »
Oh definately; most structured wiring installers will use a code system similar to commercial network wiring, but mix it up to differentiate cable types.  I just bought an labelmaker and labelled em myself.  Even if the plates are all trimmed out to begin with, the cables themselves should have identifiers on them.

You would think, but a lot of low voltage cable gets run by DIYers since it is not dangerous... and that seems to be the thing they most often forget.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 03:24:34 pm »

If you run that many, make sure you plan for labeled wall plates.  You're not going to want to have to guess later on which jack is going to which hardware downstairs.

Definitely the best advice you can get if you are doing the wiring yourself.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 03:37:20 pm »
If I was doing a new house, I would implement a whole house water filter.
Also consider a tankless water heater if you have gas.

Just checking but this is the one that heats it immediately right?  Im thinking of getting this for my current place of residence after some research.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2008, 03:43:03 pm »
If I was doing a new house, I would implement a whole house water filter.
Also consider a tankless water heater if you have gas.

Just checking but this is the one that heats it immediately right?  Im thinking of getting this for my current place of residence after some research.

Yes. It is more of a direct heat exchanger than the traditional "pot of water on the stove" water heater.

They are costly up front though. $600-$800, depending on the size. Add accessories, and it will run about $1000. Think of it this way though, you will only have it in operation minutes a day. A traditional water heater maintains 50 gallons at temperature 24/7.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2008, 03:46:48 pm »
Great if you have gas, not great if you only have electrical. If you only have electrical you can put smaller units inline with specific areas (such as master bath's shower), but last time I looked they didn't have a good whole-house unit that ran on electricity.
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2008, 03:51:35 pm »
My house has a larger gallon tank that is heated using gas i believe.  I was considering this coupled with a solar panel setup would be nice.  The thing with solar panels is how long do they last, how much power do they generate, will your power company pay you for the power you generate, do you have any obstructions like trees around your house, etc.

I would say cover your bases with wiring like everyone mentioned.  if you have an attic make sure floor boards are installed.  My attic doesnt have any so its not fun going up there.
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2008, 03:52:34 pm »
Great if you have gas, not great if you only have electrical. If you only have electrical you can put smaller units inline with specific areas (such as master bath's shower), but last time I looked they didn't have a good whole-house unit that ran on electricity.

I didn't think they existed at all. I haven't done a ton of research though since I don't even have gas.
The gas is necessary for the fact that heat is needed instantly. Electricity takes a bit of time to reach temperature.

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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2008, 03:55:44 pm »
Also maybe have the gutter system collect rain water into a tank so you can reuse the rain water.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 04:00:26 pm »
Great if you have gas, not great if you only have electrical. If you only have electrical you can put smaller units inline with specific areas (such as master bath's shower), but last time I looked they didn't have a good whole-house unit that ran on electricity.

I didn't think they existed at all. I haven't done a ton of research though since I don't even have gas.
The gas is necessary for the fact that heat is needed instantly. Electricity takes a bit of time to reach temperature.

They are available, but are much smaller capacity and take a TON of electricity to operate.  I've looked into it for my house since we don't have gas (its at the street though), but its not just worth the cost to justify it.

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Also maybe have the gutter system collect rain water into a tank so you can reuse the rain water.

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2008, 04:20:50 pm »
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That's how permanent outdoor kitchen setups work.  Sadly, not many of those in the Northeast, as you don't get a lot of enthusiasts for cooking with oil.

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Also maybe have the gutter system collect rain water into a tank so you can reuse the rain water.

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 05:02:46 pm »
Let me also highly highly highly recommend that all cables be labeled on both ends. Toning/guessing at your cable is irritating.

Word.  When I used to do large installs (2-300 cable drops over a whole bldg) we'd label each end of the cable as it was pulled it 3 times with a number - DXXX for data, VXXX for voice.  We'd still have to tone out a slew which entailed one guy standing at the rack end, and one guy running around the bldg like a loon.

We finally started pulling white cable for data, and blue for voice.  Made life a bit easier.  Now, I spec orange jacks for data, blue for voice, and yellow for special things like dial tone lines for fax.

I don't miss pulling cable in the least.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2008, 05:04:36 pm »
Also maybe have the gutter system collect rain water into a tank so you can reuse the rain water.

...in the moat.

Now c'mon,  we all ignored the drawbridge comment, but a moat?  Where's he gonna get the moat monster to put in it?  Have you priced sea serpents recently?
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 08:11:23 pm »

Doesn't he have a mother in law? 

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 11:56:03 pm »
Bah, forget all about fancy wiring until you make sure the place has a BIG bathtub that can hold at least 2 people. That adds way more to the satisfaction you get from a house than all the network jacks in the world.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2008, 11:42:36 am »
If your local code permits, install an outlet about halfway up the staircase.
This will allow you to plug in a vacumm to clean the steps.
The house I bought didnt have one, so I installed one. Also it works out good to plug in a night lite.
It has safely lit the stairs at night since my daughter was young. (It was good for me too).
Also, double check all your room entrance light switches. Some contractors will install only the bare necessities. I like to have a "3-way" switch beside each entry door into the room.
A flood light on each corner of the house is nice.
If it is a two story house, you may want to install two doorbells. One downstairs and one up.
Telephone jacks in every room is nice. (Some people install telephones by the toilet. I think this is a little much, and it is probably dangerous. I wouldnt do it.)
If you have an aquarium, install two duplex plugs where it will set.
Cant think of anything else right now.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2008, 11:45:55 am »
If you have an aquarium, install two duplex plugs where it will set.

Make that one a GFCI.

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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2008, 12:02:25 pm »
(Some people install telephones by the toilet. I think this is a little much, and it is probably dangerous. I wouldnt do it.)

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No joke - that was one of the cited reasons.
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Re: New Home Construction what extra goodies to add while constructing
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2008, 01:33:48 pm »
I agree with all the prievious advice, though I'd be happy with 2 drops in each room you can't go wrong with more.

One minor feature I suggested when my folks built their house was that I wanted power in my closet.  They liked the idea so much that they put outlets in all the closets.  It turned out to be really useful.

In my house right now I wish I had power in my closets...sigh.  Hell I wish the lazy builder had installed cable in any of the rooms.